Honestly, all the "Nation's Fastest 3G Network" might be true in theory, but in practice it only holds true in limited areas around the country, and even then it's a crap shoot.
Google doesn't even have to do this themselves. They could simply drop the code into code.google.com and let someone else build/submit it to cydia. Then they can appear to be playing by Apple/AT&T rules, and still get their app used the way they want.
So, now instead of listening to 3 different phone numbers for one person, the NSA simply has to listen to one, or just play the calls back later at their convenience. It's PERFECT!/I am not currently a tinfoil subscriber, I just channel their logic sometimes.
While I didn't read the article, I did see the movie a few years back. It was kinda boring, so I do not support this.
I'll just go ahead and godwin this thread right now too: You know who else had a program to breed designer babies based on hair/eye color?
Mod it funny or troll. Either way, history comes back every time and the movies/literature tell us how it'll happen.
I'm actually a little shocked that they haven't requested government financial assistance. It seems to be all the rage for companies with poor products, insane leadership, and failing business models.
A consumer desktop? That's what it takes to be a contributor?
Let's take a look at RH's opensourcing of jboss, or check the kernel commit list for @redhat.com email addresses. What about the environmental tools spawned from RHEL, such as func, cobbler, and others?
Then let's look at what folks like Ubuntu have given back. Sure it's a useful and flashy desktop. What project have they opensourced recently? Where's their contribution back to the community, other than their product?
Another poster had it right calling this arrogance. It's not as if internet access is universal throughout the US at a reasonable cost. Consider farm areas of Missouri or Wyoming, where you can barely get cable TV because according to the cable companies it's too expensive to run the lines. The ONLY reliable internet access in many midwest areas is via satellite networks, and these can be prohibitively expensive on your average farmer's salary.
So yes, lets all mock the folks who grow the corn needed for the syrup which powers our mountain dew because the company teat we all suckle from in one form or another isn't available everywhere.
Well, I suppose it's time to trot out the old standby articles for this of Linus demanding proof. Torvalds on Microsoft
I really don't want to hate Microsoft, or any other company really. I just for once wish that companies would treat people (employees, customers, competitors, etc) with respect. It is still possible to do business and battle with someone and respect them at the same time. This seems to be a lost art for many.
These have been in the hands of the testers a while (see date from blog below). As my friend puts it, it's 'geek porn' at this point. We all want to have the latest and greatest, but then.. so does the industry....
While this may come across as sucking up, RedHat deserves LARGE kudos for releasing the src.rpms so readily. Most other commercial vendors don't do this (Look at suse for example). While redhat has made some missteps in the linux business(if you believe ESR), they have stuck to the open source ideals more than most other vendors and still managed to be successful.
Oracle seems to be walking a very fine line with overall compliance with the GPL. They have taken some patches from centos and removed the user attribution.
Personally, CentOS http://www.centos.org/ has already proven to be a top notch alternative to RHEL, and while there's no indemnification, it works far better than oracle linux seems to at this point, and they provide more community support than oracle seems to want to.
There's been a fair amount about this in the news recently (and by 'news' I mean slashdot) but it's been discussed and kicked around in some rather interesting detail elsewhere also. Oracle seems to be pulling from other projects already involved in RHEL rebuilds like centos. They're not even bothering to clean up some of the centos release tags. See http://oss.oracle.com/linux/legal/oracle-list.html for verification and look at the artwork package to see what I'm talking about.
There's also some indication that oracle's initial effort wasn't really tested that thoroughly and has some breakage issues. See http://ultramookie.com/wayback/2006/10/26/uncompat ible-linux/ and a comment to that post http://ultramookie.com/wayback/2006/10/26/uncompat ible-linux/#comment-5386 for all the gory details on this.
So far I'm completely unimpressed with oracle's offering, and they'd better get their act together if they want this to be anything more than a corporate money-pit. So far it seems rushed, half-baked and unready (not unbreakable). I for one will be sticking with RH for my corporate support, and I will urge others who require redhat support to do the same.
Might be offtopic here, but when I first saw the icon used for the story, I thought to myself "Holy crap E17 released finally! Then I realized that it wasn't an E17 story, and that it also wasn't April first...
I feel I've been wronged in some fashion I can't properly explain.
People seem to be overlooking who the customer REALLY is here. The bottom line lies in corporate back scratching for multi-$$$$ contracts and agreements
One business contract with a large label, Dell, or Sony is worth more than the mutterings and begrudging updates from Windows consumers. Most of us are not the customers, we're the consumers. Most people don't buy windows from microsoft, they buy it from Dell, or Gateway, or whoever else sold them their computer. The Dells, Gateways, etc are the customers. The game companies writing for xbox 360s, the phone vendors embedding wince, they're the customers.
Bottom line, If you're bitching about this update, you're a consumer. If you think it's a good thing, then you're the customer.
That this was modded as funny instead of insightful or something else is kind of a sad testament to what we do. I keep telling myself it's not really like that, that I don't live the real life version of dilbert. I keep being proven wrong in new and ultimately spirit-crushing ways./hands off my stapler.
What's this "after validation" business? Doesn't this seem slightly hypocritical when compared to Creative Commons? The xml in the document has 'MICROSOFT" all over the place, so it's not like you can say you didn't make it in an office product.
Is this sponsorship a creative way to get women interested in GNOME, or is it merely sexist?
Are these two mutually exclusive for a reason? Just because it's creative doesn't mean its not sexist, and vice versa./I'm sure we've all witnessed some truly creative sexist behavior in our lives. Hell it was probably 10% of college.
To be fair, college was far more sexist, but far less creative in execution....
When it's applied to everybody, it is fair, and frankly you wouldn't even know it was going on.
I honestly don't care that my DNA is on file. I want to know however, about programs which are allowed to use this information, and for what purpose. The overwhelming majority of the people in the U.S. are law abiding citizens(unless you go by *IAA standards) and are willing to at least passively assist in protecting their way of life. To some extent, people will act the way you treat them, so if you treat a population like criminals and spying on them, don't be shocked when they start acting like criminals and finding ways to hide things from you.
This smacks of the same arguments they use with guns, and it shall get the same logic. Law-abiding citizens will be the ones impacted, while people breaking the law don't care, or have more incentive to not get caught.
As others have pointed out this is to make the public feel better, but it does far more than that. It allows the president and his administration to continue to erode our freedom and blame the new guy for not sticking up for us. It should be the president sticking up for our freedoms... and congress... and the supreme court... and the general public.
Slashdot Mirror
Their rpm announcements were all back dated.
They didn't release any of the 5.9 rpms on the dates they are making public.
You mean the packages that were released prior to the 5.9 install media in the Continuous Release repo? Perhaps you should review this page - http://wiki.centos.org/AdditionalResources/Repositories/CR
Why do you think it doesn't have enterprise in the name? It's the Community ENTerprise OS.
Like RHEL, it's often shortened.
Honestly, all the "Nation's Fastest 3G Network" might be true in theory, but in practice it only holds true in limited areas around the country, and even then it's a crap shoot.
Google doesn't even have to do this themselves. They could simply drop the code into code.google.com and let someone else build/submit it to cydia. Then they can appear to be playing by Apple/AT&T rules, and still get their app used the way they want.
So, now instead of listening to 3 different phone numbers for one person, the NSA simply has to listen to one, or just play the calls back later at their convenience. It's PERFECT! /I am not currently a tinfoil subscriber, I just channel their logic sometimes.
While I didn't read the article, I did see the movie a few years back. It was kinda boring, so I do not support this.
I'll just go ahead and godwin this thread right now too: You know who else had a program to breed designer babies based on hair/eye color? Mod it funny or troll. Either way, history comes back every time and the movies/literature tell us how it'll happen.
I'm actually a little shocked that they haven't requested government financial assistance. It seems to be all the rage for companies with poor products, insane leadership, and failing business models.
mod this flamebait if you want, it's still true.
A consumer desktop? That's what it takes to be a contributor? Let's take a look at RH's opensourcing of jboss, or check the kernel commit list for @redhat.com email addresses. What about the environmental tools spawned from RHEL, such as func, cobbler, and others? Then let's look at what folks like Ubuntu have given back. Sure it's a useful and flashy desktop. What project have they opensourced recently? Where's their contribution back to the community, other than their product?
Another poster had it right calling this arrogance. It's not as if internet access is universal throughout the US at a reasonable cost. Consider farm areas of Missouri or Wyoming, where you can barely get cable TV because according to the cable companies it's too expensive to run the lines. The ONLY reliable internet access in many midwest areas is via satellite networks, and these can be prohibitively expensive on your average farmer's salary.
So yes, lets all mock the folks who grow the corn needed for the syrup which powers our mountain dew because the company teat we all suckle from in one form or another isn't available everywhere.
Freaking jackasses....
And the answer is apparently yes. According to techtarget.com It'll be running CentOS just like slashdot does.
Well, I suppose it's time to trot out the old standby articles for this of Linus demanding proof. Torvalds on Microsoft I really don't want to hate Microsoft, or any other company really. I just for once wish that companies would treat people (employees, customers, competitors, etc) with respect. It is still possible to do business and battle with someone and respect them at the same time. This seems to be a lost art for many.
Does a reply to this involving 'Lubing the bore hole" get modded as funny, or troll?.. you be the judge....
These have been in the hands of the testers a while (see date from blog below). As my friend puts it, it's 'geek porn' at this point. We all want to have the latest and greatest, but then.. so does the industry....
e k_p0rn_how_big_is_your_drive
http://www.karan.org/blog/index.php/2007/03/30/ge
While this may come across as sucking up, RedHat deserves LARGE kudos for releasing the src.rpms so readily. Most other commercial vendors don't do this (Look at suse for example). While redhat has made some missteps in the linux business(if you believe ESR), they have stuck to the open source ideals more than most other vendors and still managed to be successful.
At some point oracle should take a look at their own legal standpoint and community reputation (if Larry Ellison cares about that).l and search for centos. If you really want to have some fun, grab the centos source, and start matching the typos in the centos patches against the 'oracle developed' patches in their source.t ible-linux/ http://ultramookie.com/wayback/2006/10/29/do-it-ri ght-oracle/ and http://thebs413.blogspot.com/2006/10/oracle-lookin g-past-ellisons-rhetoric.html
Some basic facts for people to be aware of:
1. Dubious rebuild practices: They seem to be using centos as a buffer to Red Hat. See http://oss.oracle.com/linux/legal/oracle-list.htm
2. Dozens of bloggers and community members are already calling it a failure. see the following for your current opinion: http://ultramookie.com/wayback/2006/10/26/uncompa
Oracle seems to be walking a very fine line with overall compliance with the GPL. They have taken some patches from centos and removed the user attribution.
Personally, CentOS http://www.centos.org/ has already proven to be a top notch alternative to RHEL, and while there's no indemnification, it works far better than oracle linux seems to at this point, and they provide more community support than oracle seems to want to.
Is anyone else reminded of Jim Carey in Liar Liar?
Fletcher: Your honor, I object!
Judge: Why?
Fletcher: Because it's devastating to my case!
Judge: Overruled.
Fletcher: Good call!
There's been a fair amount about this in the news recently (and by 'news' I mean slashdot) but it's been discussed and kicked around in some rather interesting detail elsewhere also. Oracle seems to be pulling from other projects already involved in RHEL rebuilds like centos. They're not even bothering to clean up some of the centos release tags. See http://oss.oracle.com/linux/legal/oracle-list.html for verification and look at the artwork package to see what I'm talking about.
t ible-linux/ and a comment to that post http://ultramookie.com/wayback/2006/10/26/uncompat ible-linux/#comment-5386 for all the gory details on this.
So far I'm completely unimpressed with oracle's offering, and they'd better get their act together if they want this to be anything more than a corporate money-pit. So far it seems rushed, half-baked and unready (not unbreakable). I for one will be sticking with RH for my corporate support, and I will urge others who require redhat support to do the same.
There's also some indication that oracle's initial effort wasn't really tested that thoroughly and has some breakage issues. See http://ultramookie.com/wayback/2006/10/26/uncompa
Might be offtopic here, but when I first saw the icon used for the story, I thought to myself "Holy crap E17 released finally! Then I realized that it wasn't an E17 story, and that it also wasn't April first...
I feel I've been wronged in some fashion I can't properly explain.
People seem to be overlooking who the customer REALLY is here. The bottom line lies in corporate back scratching for multi-$$$$ contracts and agreements
One business contract with a large label, Dell, or Sony is worth more than the mutterings and begrudging updates from Windows consumers. Most of us are not the customers, we're the consumers. Most people don't buy windows from microsoft, they buy it from Dell, or Gateway, or whoever else sold them their computer. The Dells, Gateways, etc are the customers. The game companies writing for xbox 360s, the phone vendors embedding wince, they're the customers.
Bottom line, If you're bitching about this update, you're a consumer. If you think it's a good thing, then you're the customer.
That this was modded as funny instead of insightful or something else is kind of a sad testament to what we do. /hands off my stapler.
I keep telling myself it's not really like that, that I don't live the real life version of dilbert.
I keep being proven wrong in new and ultimately spirit-crushing ways.
What's this "after validation" business? Doesn't this seem slightly hypocritical when compared to Creative Commons? The xml in the document has 'MICROSOFT" all over the place, so it's not like you can say you didn't make it in an office product.
Is this sponsorship a creative way to get women interested in GNOME, or is it merely sexist?
/I'm sure we've all witnessed some truly creative sexist behavior in our lives. Hell it was probably 10% of college.
Are these two mutually exclusive for a reason? Just because it's creative doesn't mean its not sexist, and vice versa.
To be fair, college was far more sexist, but far less creative in execution....
When it's applied to everybody, it is fair, and frankly you wouldn't even know it was going on.
I honestly don't care that my DNA is on file. I want to know however, about programs which are allowed to use this information, and for what purpose. The overwhelming majority of the people in the U.S. are law abiding citizens(unless you go by *IAA standards) and are willing to at least passively assist in protecting their way of life. To some extent, people will act the way you treat them, so if you treat a population like criminals and spying on them, don't be shocked when they start acting like criminals and finding ways to hide things from you.
If terrorists know they'll be forced to hand keys over, why not simply use technology where doing so is essentially meaningless? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perfect_forward_secre cy
This smacks of the same arguments they use with guns, and it shall get the same logic. Law-abiding citizens will be the ones impacted, while people breaking the law don't care, or have more incentive to not get caught.
As others have pointed out this is to make the public feel better, but it does far more than that. It allows the president and his administration to continue to erode our freedom and blame the new guy for not sticking up for us. It should be the president sticking up for our freedoms... and congress... and the supreme court... and the general public.