Let me guess. You're in or just out of college..... and went to school at RIT, Northeastern, or some other more or less worthless institution of higher learning that was on the quarter system.:)
I mean, come on. I won't even touch the fact that you are basically advocating the widespread use of cheap labor (interns/co-op students) as a really, really, really good thing. I mean, I work with some smart, young guys.... and in addition to their intelligence, they are also possessed of a naivete about how things REALLY work that REALLY limits their utility and value, amongst other severe flaws unique to the TALENTED young professional. Furthermore, trying to devalue the programming profession, in this way, such that it turns into Mexican day labour REALLY isn't the way to find programming superstars....
I really could care less about the redistribution of tax burdens upon subsets of the population.... I mean, really, all of this economic wrangling and postulation is just betting on the horse race down at the track, as far as I'm concerned. My problem is that my (perhaps) romantic view, of the social policies of FDR, is that they were borne out of compassion and respect for Man and Woman. Unfortunately, this spirit of hope has no relation at all to the capitalist motivation of the commoner's piggish greed that they justify with their FairTaxes and such. Much of America may think of welfare, social security, medicare, and medicaid as drains upon the economy, whatever.... they are entitled to their fucken retarded opinion but they are fucken wrong and incidentally prove that the Electoral College is NOT, in fact, a disenfranchisement of the people. It is, in fact, another safeguard that the Founding Fathers created to ensure that the fucken idiots don't ruin the fucken country. These programs are America and their disregard and diminishment are the destruction of it. I guess I should be excited as everyone else at the return of the King (he's green), here in America... but I guess that I'm just not fucken stupid enough.
Wanting to make everyone richer, isn't contempt for welfare. Wanting waste is contempt for welfare. Your agenda is destructive, and to everyone, even the people who you claim to be concerned about.
Ah, the Gordon Gekko "Greed is good argument.". And allusions to my scary agenda. Don't let your paranoia get the best of you, Gordon. Your argument is just crap. You said:
those people can go get jobs or ventures in something productive. Or they can retire. Or emigrate. Whatever. That is contempt for the consequences that your so-called "FairTax" will have on the lives of those employed under the rules of the current system. Your greed and paranoia is blinding you to the FACT that your so-called PLAN would have a profound, negative impact on the lives of many, many, many people and it would cause problems for those people for many YEARS, most likely. You don't care and THAT is contemptible and un-American. Asshole.
I can appreciate your opinion about income redistribution and that taxes never pay for anything good. You're wrong but that's okay.:)
We could, quite literally, take the money we were spending on tax preparation and give it to former tax preparers as a form of welfare and gradually taper that amount off until we're no longer wasting money on them.
Now that is a sane approach to the problem of bridging from the old to the new system. However, this:
Yes, everybody who replaced windows for a living would be out of a job, but for the first few years, we could use the money we saved to transition them to other things.
I think you should have put the word YEARS, in BOLD. Other than the fact that it would cost BILLIONS of dollars, most likely, the transition would take YEARS. Which requires PLANNING. None of these things are ever discussed by proponents of the FairTax. They just like the sex and selfishness of NO INCOME TAXES. And really, who wouldn't? But they just can't keep their hands off their dicks long enough, to really make it a reality.
No, but you're a fucken idiot so I can see why you'd be confused. Furthermore, your contempt for the welfare of your fellow Americans is both frightening and contemptible. Go fuck yourself.
One last question: are you personally employed in the income tax industry?
No, I'm not.
Your points are valid. I'm not against the FairTax. It's easy to see its benefits. It's hard to see how to manage the transition to such a system. I still don't see an argument from you about how much it would cost to get there without leaving people behind. If you want to argue that people should just be left behind, the "fuck em" argument as I call it, this system will never be implemented.
Since you're (rightly) against going into economic policy without a plan, please describe the plan *you* favor for getting us out of the impending insolvency crisis, due to hit the US Government/Economy in the 2030-2040 range. Again, don't take my word for it, ask the Congressional Budget Office, it's real. The de-facto plan is to raise income tax rates to about 65% on the middle class. This will destroy the American economy, so 65% is low if you figure the unemployment rate will cycle the number higher iteratively.
Please, we have a fiat economy and currency anyway. It's all been fucken imaginary money since Nixon. I see your point though. Somebody should do something.
Good arguing tactic. Too bad you might as well be full of shit because you are providing no evidence of anything. You are basically asserting that by giving thousands of people a pink slip, the economy will magically be better. That's just a bunch of bullshit anyway but it's exactly why no one will ever pass the FairTax because the people who argue for it also believe in magical fucken leprechauns and pots of gold at the end of the fucken rainbow. They never want to discuss the human cost and the financial commitment needed to ensure a smooth transition for the people most immediately effected. Or anything else really. They see the simple effectiveness of simplifying the US tax code and are blind to everything else because they don't know anything about transition between economies and all your Harvard economist bullshit that you are just pulling out of your ass. The truth is, proponents of the FairTax can't comprehend the difficulty of the transition and won't debate it because it is too hard for their tiny little minds. But they believe in fairies and magic, so it'll be ok.
We can pay them to dig and then refill holes, and be no worse off than before. Or we can let them get new jobs actually doing something productive, just like the millions of past workers whose prior jobs were rendered obsolete.
Brilliant! I'm sure you understand the impact of completely destroying the need for a particular industry in one fell swoop is exactly like the millions of past workers whose prior jobs were rendered obsolete. Here's an idea for all you fucken nerds, write a computer simulation about what would happen to the American economy if you pulled off this FairTax miracle without a plan for supplying jobs to the people who are no longer needed. I wonder if it would be anything like the fucken disaster in Iraq? What about crime? I mean, fuck, they can just dig holes right? No hard feelings, unwashed masses. Sorry for bending you over and completely fucking you.
BTW, thank you for proving once again that LOW_SLASHDOT_ID!=WISER_THAN_EVERYONE_ELSE.
Well you twisted my argument around but whatever, go ahead and can claim that theory in the ivory tower is the best way to go, all you want. You'd be incorrect but I'm pretty sure that doesn't matter to the kind of people who would argue something like that.
I'm not arguing against the FairTax. But any argument for the implementation of the FairTax, that does not address the issue of eliminating the thousands of jobs in the accounting industry across the country caused by the elimination of federal income taxes, is not worth discussing. I'm pretty sure that you can sell eliminating the income tax to just about all of America. It's dealing with the consequences of that decision that people need to seriously evaluate.
Good idea. What are you going to do about the millions of people who will no longer have a job due to the elimination of federal income taxes? You know, people working at your local H&R Block and most everyone with the IRS. Plus the scads of temporary labor that is no longer needed during tax season.....
Theory and syntax are serious boring horseshite. Combine the two and I can see why most people can't manage to learn more than 1 or the other. There's only so much novocaine that the skull can take and all. Maybe if one of the high paid professors or authors of successful language books took the time to design a system/class/whatever that allows you to learn a programming language such that you understand the theory and syntax while doing something interesting! It would be like having a Hooked on Phonics for programming.
You think people learn how to build houses best by learning about the theory of building houses? Or do they learn best by helping to build some houses while learning pratical implementation details as well as the theory behind said implementation? Seriously man, when you tell people to just "learn theory!", you really just sound like a fucken princess who doesn't have a clue how much money her shoe habit is costing her father/husband. Do you really want to act like a princess, mang?
Yeah, boy, the chemistry of the body/mind is nothing to jerk around with, eh? That's almost as amazing as this here Internet.
Seriously though, yeah, drugs can be bad for you (particularly drugs that affect the mind). I must have thought that was generally an understood principle. Silly me.
I'm sorry I can't give you a fast food "link" to assuage your scepticism...but then again, why do you think I would lie? For the attention? Nobody here knows who I am so how would I benefit from that?
Why must there be an ulterior motivation here? Is this related to those scary "Big pharma marketdroids" you mentioned? To tell you the truth, I believe the solution to this is ROBOTS.
Yeah, eating sweets and gaining weight is fucking horrible. STFU mang. That's a great intro to your so-called statistics that have no backing by any links to anything at fucking all. I totally believe you've been fucked in the ass by a giant faceless corporation. YOU ARE A VICTIM. Or maybe, just maybe, you're full of shit. Can you tell which way I'm leaning bucko?
Nope. Romney is better aligned with conservatives than McCain
Except for the whole gay marriage thing... and the whole being a flip-flopper thing..... and the being a part of a cult that practices polygamy thing.:)
Everyone is just afraid that McCain is going to go "Hello boys, I'm back!" to the Vietnamese like Russel Casse to the aliens in Independence Day right before he takes his revenge.:)
Oooooohhhhhh, packet forgery. That's scary, mommy! MAKE IT STOP, WHA WHA WHAAAAAA! I mean really dude, packet forgery? STFU. Maybe you should sit this discussion out and let the grownups deal with this....
I mean, this isn't new tech or even very high tech. You're upset because this is shitty throttling that exploits a fundamental component of TCP. If it was real QoS, then you wouldn't be concerned at all because it wouldn't suck so bad.
Please. It's the "Stick your GOOGLE in my mouth, baby. It's teh awesomest." meme that really sucks.
Oh, and s/make/makes/g on your post mang.... and company ARE usage. Jesus, stop mixing your nouns of multitude with singular and plural usages. Pick a style! Either American or British. This hodgepodge of words is just gross.
I'm sorry but this has nothing to do with fares for "off-peak" times or the free-market or improving congestion, really.
This is all about control. With this technology, government now has to monitor who is coming and going at all times on the road. Once you have the infrastructure in place to do this, it is only a few small steps to monitoring you on all roads at all times and then what? At school? At work? At home? In your neighborhood bar? Inevitably, the information collected by the monitors will be used in a way that no one expects. Who can imagine what those uses might be?
And what is remarkable about this development is the embedded trojan horse. People are actually persuasively arguing in favor of implementing these sorts of things and they aren't actually fascist nazis. They just have no clue what they are actually in for.
"Look at identity theft - it could be prevented with 100% accuracy if the credit bureaus updated their computers. All they have to do is add a picture to your report and require an automatic phone call to the last known phone number any time you want a change. That's it. It's now impossible to steal someone's ID. Of course, it's your fault for not buying title insurance, paying Equifax $25 a month for credit checks, and using your "internet thing" for banking."
What a bunch of shit. Identity theft can't be prevented pretty much period. But it can be discovered and remediated much more easily then the current system (in the US anyways) allows it to be. As for the rest, you lost me with the use of the word sandnigger. I thought that a joke was required when using that word.:)
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Let me guess. You're in or just out of college ..... and went to school at RIT, Northeastern, or some other more or less worthless institution of higher learning that was on the quarter system. :)
.... and in addition to their intelligence, they are also possessed of a naivete about how things REALLY work that REALLY limits their utility and value, amongst other severe flaws unique to the TALENTED young professional. Furthermore, trying to devalue the programming profession, in this way, such that it turns into Mexican day labour REALLY isn't the way to find programming superstars ....
I mean, come on. I won't even touch the fact that you are basically advocating the widespread use of cheap labor (interns/co-op students) as a really, really, really good thing. I mean, I work with some smart, young guys
I really could care less about the redistribution of tax burdens upon subsets of the population .... I mean, really, all of this economic wrangling and postulation is just betting on the horse race down at the track, as far as I'm concerned. My problem is that my (perhaps) romantic view, of the social policies of FDR, is that they were borne out of compassion and respect for Man and Woman. Unfortunately, this spirit of hope has no relation at all to the capitalist motivation of the commoner's piggish greed that they justify with their FairTaxes and such. Much of America may think of welfare, social security, medicare, and medicaid as drains upon the economy, whatever .... they are entitled to their fucken retarded opinion but they are fucken wrong and incidentally prove that the Electoral College is NOT, in fact, a disenfranchisement of the people. It is, in fact, another safeguard that the Founding Fathers created to ensure that the fucken idiots don't ruin the fucken country. These programs are America and their disregard and diminishment are the destruction of it. I guess I should be excited as everyone else at the return of the King (he's green), here in America ... but I guess that I'm just not fucken stupid enough.
Wanting to make everyone richer, isn't contempt for welfare. Wanting waste is contempt for welfare. Your agenda is destructive, and to everyone, even the people who you claim to be concerned about.
Ah, the Gordon Gekko "Greed is good argument.". And allusions to my scary agenda. Don't let your paranoia get the best of you, Gordon. Your argument is just crap. You said: those people can go get jobs or ventures in something productive. Or they can retire. Or emigrate. Whatever. That is contempt for the consequences that your so-called "FairTax" will have on the lives of those employed under the rules of the current system. Your greed and paranoia is blinding you to the FACT that your so-called PLAN would have a profound, negative impact on the lives of many, many, many people and it would cause problems for those people for many YEARS, most likely. You don't care and THAT is contemptible and un-American. Asshole.
I can appreciate your opinion about income redistribution and that taxes never pay for anything good. You're wrong but that's okay. :)
We could, quite literally, take the money we were spending on tax preparation and give it to former tax preparers as a form of welfare and gradually taper that amount off until we're no longer wasting money on them.
Now that is a sane approach to the problem of bridging from the old to the new system. However, this: Yes, everybody who replaced windows for a living would be out of a job, but for the first few years, we could use the money we saved to transition them to other things.
I think you should have put the word YEARS, in BOLD. Other than the fact that it would cost BILLIONS of dollars, most likely, the transition would take YEARS. Which requires PLANNING. None of these things are ever discussed by proponents of the FairTax. They just like the sex and selfishness of NO INCOME TAXES. And really, who wouldn't? But they just can't keep their hands off their dicks long enough, to really make it a reality.
Is this a joke?
No, but you're a fucken idiot so I can see why you'd be confused. Furthermore, your contempt for the welfare of your fellow Americans is both frightening and contemptible. Go fuck yourself.
One last question: are you personally employed in the income tax industry?
No, I'm not.
Your points are valid. I'm not against the FairTax. It's easy to see its benefits. It's hard to see how to manage the transition to such a system. I still don't see an argument from you about how much it would cost to get there without leaving people behind. If you want to argue that people should just be left behind, the "fuck em" argument as I call it, this system will never be implemented.
Since you're (rightly) against going into economic policy without a plan, please describe the plan *you* favor for getting us out of the impending insolvency crisis, due to hit the US Government/Economy in the 2030-2040 range. Again, don't take my word for it, ask the Congressional Budget Office, it's real. The de-facto plan is to raise income tax rates to about 65% on the middle class. This will destroy the American economy, so 65% is low if you figure the unemployment rate will cycle the number higher iteratively.
Please, we have a fiat economy and currency anyway. It's all been fucken imaginary money since Nixon. I see your point though. Somebody should do something.
Good arguing tactic. Too bad you might as well be full of shit because you are providing no evidence of anything. You are basically asserting that by giving thousands of people a pink slip, the economy will magically be better. That's just a bunch of bullshit anyway but it's exactly why no one will ever pass the FairTax because the people who argue for it also believe in magical fucken leprechauns and pots of gold at the end of the fucken rainbow. They never want to discuss the human cost and the financial commitment needed to ensure a smooth transition for the people most immediately effected. Or anything else really. They see the simple effectiveness of simplifying the US tax code and are blind to everything else because they don't know anything about transition between economies and all your Harvard economist bullshit that you are just pulling out of your ass. The truth is, proponents of the FairTax can't comprehend the difficulty of the transition and won't debate it because it is too hard for their tiny little minds. But they believe in fairies and magic, so it'll be ok.
You must be George Bush's first cousin. Go in with no plan and it'll just work out, right? Pull your head out of your ass, idiot.
We can pay them to dig and then refill holes, and be no worse off than before. Or we can let them get new jobs actually doing something productive, just like the millions of past workers whose prior jobs were rendered obsolete.
Brilliant! I'm sure you understand the impact of completely destroying the need for a particular industry in one fell swoop is exactly like the millions of past workers whose prior jobs were rendered obsolete. Here's an idea for all you fucken nerds, write a computer simulation about what would happen to the American economy if you pulled off this FairTax miracle without a plan for supplying jobs to the people who are no longer needed. I wonder if it would be anything like the fucken disaster in Iraq? What about crime? I mean, fuck, they can just dig holes right? No hard feelings, unwashed masses. Sorry for bending you over and completely fucking you.
BTW, thank you for proving once again that LOW_SLASHDOT_ID!=WISER_THAN_EVERYONE_ELSE.
Well you twisted my argument around but whatever, go ahead and can claim that theory in the ivory tower is the best way to go, all you want. You'd be incorrect but I'm pretty sure that doesn't matter to the kind of people who would argue something like that.
I'm not arguing against the FairTax. But any argument for the implementation of the FairTax, that does not address the issue of eliminating the thousands of jobs in the accounting industry across the country caused by the elimination of federal income taxes, is not worth discussing. I'm pretty sure that you can sell eliminating the income tax to just about all of America. It's dealing with the consequences of that decision that people need to seriously evaluate.
Good idea. What are you going to do about the millions of people who will no longer have a job due to the elimination of federal income taxes? You know, people working at your local H&R Block and most everyone with the IRS. Plus the scads of temporary labor that is no longer needed during tax season .....
Theory and syntax are serious boring horseshite. Combine the two and I can see why most people can't manage to learn more than 1 or the other. There's only so much novocaine that the skull can take and all. Maybe if one of the high paid professors or authors of successful language books took the time to design a system/class/whatever that allows you to learn a programming language such that you understand the theory and syntax while doing something interesting! It would be like having a Hooked on Phonics for programming.
You think people learn how to build houses best by learning about the theory of building houses? Or do they learn best by helping to build some houses while learning pratical implementation details as well as the theory behind said implementation? Seriously man, when you tell people to just "learn theory!", you really just sound like a fucken princess who doesn't have a clue how much money her shoe habit is costing her father/husband. Do you really want to act like a princess, mang?
Yeah, boy, the chemistry of the body/mind is nothing to jerk around with, eh? That's almost as amazing as this here Internet.
Seriously though, yeah, drugs can be bad for you (particularly drugs that affect the mind). I must have thought that was generally an understood principle. Silly me.
I'm sorry I can't give you a fast food "link" to assuage your scepticism...but then again, why do you think I would lie? For the attention? Nobody here knows who I am so how would I benefit from that?
Why must there be an ulterior motivation here? Is this related to those scary "Big pharma marketdroids" you mentioned? To tell you the truth, I believe the solution to this is ROBOTS.
QED
Yeah, eating sweets and gaining weight is fucking horrible. STFU mang. That's a great intro to your so-called statistics that have no backing by any links to anything at fucking all. I totally believe you've been fucked in the ass by a giant faceless corporation. YOU ARE A VICTIM. Or maybe, just maybe, you're full of shit. Can you tell which way I'm leaning bucko?
He's not a perfect conservative candidate -- just the best one conservatives have any shot of getting.
:)
Please, he's John Kerry dressed up as a conservative, like the wolf in Little Red Riding Hood, at best. And a crazy mf'er, at worst.
I fart in his general direction.
Nope. Romney is better aligned with conservatives than McCain
... and the whole being a flip-flopper thing ..... and the being a part of a cult that practices polygamy thing. :)
;)
Except for the whole gay marriage thing
Yeah, I see your point.
Despite McCain's highly questionable conservative credentials
:)
I call bullshit. See: http://www.acuratings.org/2006senate.htm
Everyone is just afraid that McCain is going to go "Hello boys, I'm back!" to the Vietnamese like Russel Casse to the aliens in Independence Day right before he takes his revenge.
Oooooohhhhhh, packet forgery. That's scary, mommy! MAKE IT STOP, WHA WHA WHAAAAAA! I mean really dude, packet forgery? STFU. Maybe you should sit this discussion out and let the grownups deal with this ....
I mean, this isn't new tech or even very high tech. You're upset because this is shitty throttling that exploits a fundamental component of TCP. If it was real QoS, then you wouldn't be concerned at all because it wouldn't suck so bad.
Am I mixing things up?
..... :( No offense.
Eh, guess not. That style of english just makes me want to throw up on my keyboard
Please. It's the "Stick your GOOGLE in my mouth, baby. It's teh awesomest." meme that really sucks.
.... and company ARE usage. Jesus, stop mixing your nouns of multitude with singular and plural usages. Pick a style! Either American or British. This hodgepodge of words is just gross.
Oh, and s/make/makes/g on your post mang
I'm sorry but this has nothing to do with fares for "off-peak" times or the free-market or improving congestion, really.
This is all about control. With this technology, government now has to monitor who is coming and going at all times on the road. Once you have the infrastructure in place to do this, it is only a few small steps to monitoring you on all roads at all times and then what? At school? At work? At home? In your neighborhood bar? Inevitably, the information collected by the monitors will be used in a way that no one expects. Who can imagine what those uses might be?
And what is remarkable about this development is the embedded trojan horse. People are actually persuasively arguing in favor of implementing these sorts of things and they aren't actually fascist nazis. They just have no clue what they are actually in for.
Mostly shitty countries but whatever. :)
It appears that most of your post is blatantly wrong. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Jarvik
He isn't licensed to practice medicine though. Just not for the reasons you specify.
"Look at identity theft - it could be prevented with 100% accuracy if the credit bureaus updated their computers. All they have to do is add a picture to your report and require an automatic phone call to the last known phone number any time you want a change. That's it. It's now impossible to steal someone's ID. Of course, it's your fault for not buying title insurance, paying Equifax $25 a month for credit checks, and using your "internet thing" for banking."
:)
What a bunch of shit. Identity theft can't be prevented pretty much period. But it can be discovered and remediated much more easily then the current system (in the US anyways) allows it to be. As for the rest, you lost me with the use of the word sandnigger. I thought that a joke was required when using that word.