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Congress To Investigate FCC

SirLurksAlot writes to let us know that Congress is planning to question the FCC on the way the commission is run. From the article: "The FCC — and Chairman Kevin Martin in particular — are in hot water with Congress... While Martin was at CES, telling all who would listen that the FCC will investigate Comcast's traffic-shaping practices, the House Energy and Commerce Committee announced a formal investigation of the FCC. The news couldn't be more welcome to the industries that the FCC regulates.'"

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  1. Cash Cow Concerns by eldavojohn · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Yeah, I heard that Congress was concerned the FCC wasn't corrupt enough.

    Or perhaps this is just a remedial course on how to milk your cash cows.

    Every so often congress has to look like it's investigating something when a source of income is threatened. Is anything ever done about it? Not really.

    But magically, without fail, the citizen is screwed in the end. Congress just wants to make sure some of that money ends up back at the top.

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    1. Re:Cash Cow Concerns by MrMacman2u · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I heard that Congress was concerned the FCC wasn't corrupt enough.

      Actually, I believe you have that switched around. Congress is always looking for more ways to be lazy AND evil at once.

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    2. Re:Cash Cow Concerns by goldspider · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Until capitalism is abolished in this country we will have no freedom.

      And replace it with what?

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    3. Re:Cash Cow Concerns by giminy · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Is anything ever done about it? Not really.

      The difference here is that the Congress controls the FCC's budget, whereas it has essentially no control over Microsoft or the oil industry. Only the FTC can really do anything to Microsoft/Big Oil directly, so there is a dilution of congressional oversight. Yes, congress having a hearing with oil execs or with microsoft is more for show. If they wanted to achieve anything in those two arenas, they would haul FTC folks in and say, "Why are you letting oil/microsoft fleece the public?"

      With government agencies, though, Congress really does wield power. That power is called the budget. The Congress can, and hopefully will, fund portions of the FCC that are more to its liking, and not approve portions of the FCC's budget that it does not agree with (for example, budget line item 1643: Chairman's Salary? Yeah, we don't like how high that's gotten, we'll only approve this much).

      Some day, I hope that democracy starts working again...let's see if this is a start?

      Reid.out

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    4. Re:Cash Cow Concerns by SailorSpork · · Score: 3, Funny

      Comcast to FCC: "What do you mean we can't pay you off to look the other way?"

      Congress to FCC: "Hello there FCC, we need to talk. Oh, ignore the bulges in my pockets, that's just bribe cash from Comcast."

    5. Re:Cash Cow Concerns by Shakrai · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Half the article was talking about the cable and telephone companies being pissed at the FCC for bitchslapping them (from cable ownership rules and 700MHz auction rules)

      Hey, I'm all for consumer protection laws and regulation, but with regards to the cable ownership rules I fail to see how they help me.

      My understanding (correct me if I'm wrong) of the issue at hand is that the FCC wants to limit cable ownership to a percentage of the population, i.e: nobody can own more then 40% of the cable subscribers in the United States.

      That's all well and good in theory, but how the hell does it help me? That regulation isn't going to magically encourage another cable company to set up shop in my Time Warner dominated area. As long as the cable companies have local monopolies I'm sure they will see no reason not to continue to raise prices and screw their customers.

      More meaningful reform would be to separate the physical layer from the service. One neutral not-for-profit entity owns the fiber/copper/coax and leases it to whomever is interested in providing service. It will never happen but I'm at a loss for how else you'd encourage local competition for the last mile, at least with regards to non-wireless technology.

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    6. Re:Cash Cow Concerns by DeadChobi · · Score: 1

      These issues could be partially taken care of by requiring politicians to donate left-over campaign funds to appropriate charities and thus not allowing them to keep the HUGE WADS OF CASH that they recieve from corporations.

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    7. Re:Cash Cow Concerns by Dara+Hazeghi · · Score: 1

      Anarchy comes to mind.

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    8. Re:Cash Cow Concerns by Gilmoure · · Score: 4, Funny

      Anarchy comes to mind. In the U.K.?
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    9. Re:Cash Cow Concerns by hostyle · · Score: 1

      Soviet Amerika of course!

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    10. Re:Cash Cow Concerns by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Lawlessness. What could possibly go wrong?

    11. Re:Cash Cow Concerns by Shakrai · · Score: 4, Insightful

      And replace it with what?

      A regulated economy that balances the benefits of the free market (innovation, economic growth, job creation, etc) with the legitimate concerns of the population about abuses of that market (monopolies, shareholder protection, environmental protection etc).

      I look at the corporate world as it exists now and I'm utterly disgusted. The message of the last 10-15 years seems to be "consume, consume, consume". No consideration is given towards stupid questions like "Can we afford it?" or "Is this sustainable". It's all about consumption and short-term profits. And they aren't even limiting themselves to just screwing over customers and the public anymore -- they are screwing over their own shareholders with some of these policies. Meanwhile the CEOs get golden parachutes worth tens of millions, regardless of the shape of the company after they leave it.

      Hell, look at the recent stuff going on with the economy. Everything I've heard and read says that the economy is going south, unless people spend and consume. No consideration is given towards "Can people afford it?" If our economy is completely dependent upon deficit spending (both at the individual level AND the Governmental level) then it probably deserves to be cut down to size. Credit cards and Governmental Debt are not investments for the future.

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    12. Re:Cash Cow Concerns by Torvaun · · Score: 1

      Freedom, weren't you listening?

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    13. Re:Cash Cow Concerns by goldspider · · Score: 3, Interesting

      So it's capitalism's fault that people choose not to live within their means? Corporations are forcing people to overextend themselves and buy things they cannot afford?

      That's not to say the problems you describe do not exist; they just aren't caused by capitalism.

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    14. Re:Cash Cow Concerns by foobsr · · Score: 1

      Anarchy comes to mind.

      Too difficult a concept yet.

      Remember the Connection Machine failed, parallel programming has not advanced much since (IMHO), and you want a self adapting social network (contrasted to a tree)?

      All the best (sincerely). Hopefully technology/biosciences advances enough to bestow you longevity.

      CC.

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    15. Re:Cash Cow Concerns by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How is a bunch of people living off the government teat Capitalism? What you have described is in actuality Socialism.

      That fact that it is corporate fat cats doing so makes it no less socialistic.

    16. Re:Cash Cow Concerns by MightyMartian · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      Oh look, the only more idiotic than Libertarianism; Anarchism.

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    17. Re:Cash Cow Concerns by crawling_chaos · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Corporations are forcing people to overextend themselves and buy things they cannot afford? You miss the point. No one is forced, but they are rewarded. Our current model does not encourage or reward long term thinking: everyone is to worried about the next quarter's numbers. You can't ignore the short term either, but we might try to find a way to reward those who plan for the long haul occasionally. A case in point would be someone who purchased a house within in their means in order to live there for many years who sees their property values and quality of life utterly destroyed when their neighborhood collapses into foreclosure. You can't research all of your neighbor's credit ratings, so saying that they should have seen it coming is nothing but hindsight justification.

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    18. Re:Cash Cow Concerns by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sorry. That's still capitalism.

    19. Re:Cash Cow Concerns by GigG · · Score: 1

      /. can just barely police itself. What hope does anarchy have on any larger scale or with something that really matters.

      But, if we ever vote in anarchy how do we vote it out?

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    20. Re:Cash Cow Concerns by smooth+wombat · · Score: 5, Insightful
      The message of the last 10-15 years seems to be "consume, consume, consume".


      Then don't buy things (as someone below your comment has said) if you don't need them. Or, you might be interested in trying what these folks set out to do.

      I won't say I've gone anywhere near as far as these folks have done (I just picked up three Calphalon pans which were at least 50% off regular price as replacements), but as a rule, I don't buy something unless I absolutely need it. Cell phone? Don't have. Newest, latest, blingiest PC? Nope. 18 different electronic devices? Nada.

      It's amazing how much money people can accumulate if they exercise a bit of self-control. I mean supposedly we're the smartest animals on this ball of rock, dirt and water. How about we use some of that intelligence.

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    21. Re:Cash Cow Concerns by plague3106 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      If anything, this is a start to a goverment for the corporations. Did you notice that everyone in the article listed as unhappy are megacorps upset they can't screw consumers anymore? "Traffic shaping" means colluding to make internet access more profitiable for them, and costly to us. Exclusive contracts are a means of keeping a monopoly on cable, when what's really benefical is more than one unit being able to provide cable services (which include TV, internet and phone).

      Let's hope nothing comes of this, because if there are major changes, it won't benefit us.

    22. Re:Cash Cow Concerns by smaddox · · Score: 1

      That only depends on what your goals are.

      If you only want to live a free life, and enjoy the things nature gives you, Anarchy is perfect.

      If you only want things the free market can give you, Libertarianism is perfect. (and the free market can give most things that people want. I'm far to realistic to think it can deliver everything.)

    23. Re:Cash Cow Concerns by nharmon · · Score: 1

      Right, because capitalism can't possibly exist in an Anarchy. Are you kidding?

    24. Re:Cash Cow Concerns by Bryansix · · Score: 1

      In my area we have one good thing happening. That is Time Warner and Verizon are both competing for the same sevice. Voice, Internet and Subscription based TV. One hopes that this spreads to other areas and starts affecting quality of sevice and prices for the better.

    25. Re:Cash Cow Concerns by geekoid · · Score: 1

      "That regulation isn't going to magically encourage another cable company to set up shop in my Time Warner dominated area."
      Actually, it might. well not 'magically' but it gives room from another company to try and set up shop, and competition is good for you. Someone might have a better business lan, or want to bring you a better value. Possible be nimble enough to bring you newer technology faster instead of waiting for Time Warner to update it's internal systems.

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    26. Re:Cash Cow Concerns by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I prefer anarchism.

    27. Re:Cash Cow Concerns by p0tat03 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I agree wholeheartedly. In our modern world the internet is as vital to the nation as its roadways. And just like how we don't have our roads privately owned and charging users for the privilege of driving on them, we all pitch into their expansion and maintenance via taxes. So the same we must do for our network infrastructure. The government needs to own the airwaves and the networks, and tax money must go towards supporting them.



      More immediately however, we need to really bust the telco/cablecos' balls for collusion. There is absolutely no way cellular and land-broadband rates need to stay at their current state. There is absolutely and obvious collusion going on here, and we need to get them for it.



      Here in Canada we've recently launched a governmental investigation into price fixing of chocolate. This is laughable. Here we are going after confectioners, when it is patently obvious that gas stations, telephone companies, and a whole slew of much-more-important vendors are doing the same, and gouging at even worse margins! But I suppose the chocolate industry doesn't buy enough politicians to avoid their wrath...

    28. Re:Cash Cow Concerns by Shakrai · · Score: 1

      It's amazing how much money people can accumulate if they exercise a bit of self-control

      You'll brook no argument from me. Two and a half years ago I was forced into Chapter 7 due to events beyond my control (medical bills) combined with stupid decisions on my part. Going through bankruptcy taught me the value of budgeting and living within my means -- now I have three months of liquid savings, some fairly liquid investments (CDs) and thousands of dollars in my 403(b) plan.

      Cell phone? Don't have. Newest, latest, blingiest PC? Nope. 18 different electronic devices? Nada.

      I have the cell phone, but it's a no-frills model and I'm with the cheapest provider out there. I don't have a land-line. My PC was built with parts savaged from the office and a few "in-kind" purchases (i.e: I'll fix your computer if you buy this stuff from newegg for me.... no taxes for me and cheaper for them). The only electronic device I've allowed myself to purchase in the last three years is a TiVo. Still running on my old 40 hour Series2 :) My TV itself is an old 19" model I had from when I was a kid. I drive a $10,000 Suzuki, because it was the cheapest car I could find with a good warranty. As far as I'm concerned, there is no reason to spend money on any of this stuff.

      I guess what I was trying to say though was that the whole message of soceity seems to be "spend, spend, spend". People like you and me aren't "doing our part" to "help the economy". I've actually heard people say that. Deficit spending is persuasive in this country. From an individual level (credit cards are absolutely evil, IMHO) all the way to the Federal Government. Hell, to quote Dick Cheney, "Reagan proved that deficits don't matter". As long as people (and the Government) think they can have stuff without paying for it then this going to continue to be a problem.

      I do everything I can to encourage my friends and family to save and live within their means. Few of them heed the message. I know people that spend more time managing their debt (looking for new 0% APR balance transfer offers, refinancing loans, etc) then I spend managing my investments. Which would you rather be doing?

      I don't give a shit what my credit "score" is ("score" makes it sound like a game, doesn't it?) and I don't even own a house. When I do buy a house it will be with a proper downpayment and a 15 year mortgage, not a 30. If I can't afford to get a house within those confines then I won't bother. I don't look at a rent as "wasting" money, I'm paying for a service (a roof over my head) and don't have to worry about anything besides writing that check on the 1st of the month.

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    29. Re:Cash Cow Concerns by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Some day, I hope that democracy starts working again...let's see if this is a start?

      I'd be surprised. The complaints we have about democracy today are pretty much the same ones Aristotle had 2500 years ago.

    30. Re:Cash Cow Concerns by mea37 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I don't think creating competition is the purpose of the marketshare cap -- at least not in the "give each consumer more choices" sense.

      I think the purpose is to avoid giving one company too much influence over the flow of information throughout the country.

    31. Re:Cash Cow Concerns by Some_Llama · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "they just aren't caused by capitalism."

      I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss that, i mean ultimately we have the choice of what to buy and how to spend our money, but when you are deluged day in and day out, in every from of un-avoidable media, that what you have is not good enough, all you need is more, and ways to get this stuff without having to save for it, then maybe capitialism IS to blame in some part at the very least.

      Corporations have more too much control in our lives and government to not blame them for "some" of the inherent mess that comes from a nation of "consumers" and not "constituents" .

    32. Re:Cash Cow Concerns by smaddox · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      I don't really see a need for regulation of cable companies at all.

      They aren't filling a need, only a want. Let the cable company charge as much as they can get. If the people don't like it, they can read the newspaper.

      FCC should stick to regulating wireless communication, and that's it.

      The internet is slightly more complicated, as it basically is a "need" in this day in age.

    33. Re:Cash Cow Concerns by Nullav · · Score: 1

      "All in favor, start shooting!"
      Actually, that's probably how 'voting it in' would work, too.

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    34. Re:Cash Cow Concerns by giminy · · Score: 3, Informative

      If anything, this is a start to a goverment for the corporations. Did you notice that everyone in the article listed as unhappy are megacorps upset they can't screw consumers anymore? "Traffic shaping" means colluding to make internet access more profitiable for them, and costly to us. Exclusive contracts are a means of keeping a monopoly on cable, when what's really benefical is more than one unit being able to provide cable services (which include TV, internet and phone).

      In the article, the megacorps quotation is written quite separately from the pending Congressional action. There is no indication in the news story exactly why the congresscritters are upset with the FCC.

      The Reuter's and AP wire stories (Reuter's story here: link)detailing the letter hint that Congress is displeased with the FCC because the FCC is not allowing the public enough to comment on decisions, and that they are concerned with FCC DEREGULATION over big media. Still, this reasoning is speculative on Reuter's part and we can't really know why the letter is sent and why the Congress wants to meet with the FCC. My point is this: the letter says nothing about letting Comcast off the hook, nothing about deregulating cable, or any other such conspiracy theory that everyone is dreaming up. That big media, even, is complaining about the FCC is purely speculative vis-a-vis the reasoning behind the letter being sent out. Big media may very well be complaining more when this is all over.

      That said, there is a strong current that this Congress is upset about things like short public notice and loosening grip on big media (from the Reuter's article above). I'll hope for the best for now, and will try not to add to political distrust when it is unfounded...I think we've had enough of that over the years...

      Reid.out

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    35. Re:Cash Cow Concerns by smooth+wombat · · Score: 1, Offtopic
      People like you and me aren't "doing our part" to "help the economy".


      True and I don't care. One of my favorite things to say when I go out to yard sales is along the lines, "The economy would come to a screeching halt if people stopped by all this crap." Which of course is true. The only reason the economy keeps growing is because of people buying things they don't need. How many Billy Bass were sold when it came out?

      I'm not saying people shouldn't buy things they don't need, we all need diversions, but think long and hard about how long you will use it. A video game, while not a necessity, can provide long-term enjoyment but only if the people who bought don't get bored with it after it 2 or 3 games.

      At the rate I'm going with saving for a house, I'll be at a 50% down payment of my target price. Take out a 30 year mortgage to get the low payment then pay it off early.

      True story. I used to work for a brokerage firm and got real lucky on a stock I owned. I took the money I earned from it, as well as money I had saved and the trade in from my then car, to purchase a new car (yeah, I know. But it was my first car. I'm allowed). My monthly payment was $100. I paid the car off in 3 years and am still driving that car 10 years later.

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    36. Re:Cash Cow Concerns by mi · · Score: 1

      A regulated economy that balances the benefits of the free market (innovation, economic growth, job creation, etc) with the legitimate concerns of the population about abuses of that market (monopolies, shareholder protection, environmental protection etc).

      Oh, yes, "a regulated economy". I've seen it tried. Most years of my life were spent in an economy regulated by GOSPLAN. Even if we leave the fundamental human rights issues aside for a second, it was just terribly inefficient!

      Huge volumes can be filled out with examples of the inefficiency, so let me just say — since we are talking about Comcast and its lobbying of the lawmakers — that there was no cable-TV to begin with. Heck, a color TV-set was a luxury, and nobody had access to more than 4 different broadcast channels.

      You may cringe at the advertisements on the "capitalist" TV, but, trust me, the Soviet propaganda on those few channels was far worth — they rarely bothered even with the subtlety called as "product placement".

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    37. Re:Cash Cow Concerns by goldspider · · Score: 1

      It would be more productive (IMHO) to address society's overall lack of willpower and restraint than to restrict those who profit from it.

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    38. Re:Cash Cow Concerns by Waffle+Iron · · Score: 4, Insightful

      But, if we ever vote in anarchy how do we vote it out?

      You don't vote it out. The warlord who comes out victorious in the ensuing battle for power will end up abolishing the state of anarchy.

    39. Re:Cash Cow Concerns by Pope · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yes, Nature provides me with laptops and WiFi and delicious burritos for lunch and coffee in the morning.

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    40. Re:Cash Cow Concerns by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful
      If you only want to live a free life, and enjoy the things nature gives you, Anarchy is perfect.

      ...until somebody else's "free life" comes at the expense of your own wellbeing. Then you're fucked.

    41. Re:Cash Cow Concerns by CustomDesigned · · Score: 1
      Congress, being the pawn of those corporations, is obviously upset. UNTIL CAPITALISM IS ABOLISHED IN THIS COUNTRY WE WILL HAVE NO FREEDOM.

      Replace capitalism and corporatism and I'll agree with you. The corporations with all the rights and none of the limitations or moral compunctions of actual citizens, created along with government schools at the turn of the 20th century, have given real capitalism a bad name.

      However, don't expect me to support efforts to give yet more unconstitutional power to the most corrupt and powerful corporation of all: the US Federal Government.

    42. Re:Cash Cow Concerns by Shakrai · · Score: 1

      How many Billy Bass were sold when it came out

      What amuses me more then that is the people willing to pay extreme amounts of money to be the first adopters of something. The iphone comes to mind.... an even more extreme example is all the people who paid $100-$200 (or more) above retail price to get a Wii when the retailers were out of stock around Christmas time.

      Hell, right there is an amusing thought. Various pundits love to complain about the "War on Christmas". I've always thought of the "War on Christmas" being less about retailers saying "Happy Holidays" and more about commercialism. While I don't consider myself a Christian, if I were one I'd be more upset about my holiday being commercialized then I would be about somebody else saying "Happy Holidays" instead of "Merry Christmas".

      At the rate I'm going with saving for a house, I'll be at a 50% down payment of my target price. Take out a 30 year mortgage to get the low payment then pay it off early.

      My ingenious plan boils down to my (hopeful) increase in income after I finish my degree. I should be worth 40 - 50k. Right now I'm making 30k and living a 20k lifestyle. Maintain that lifestyle with the higher income for a few years, saving a ton of cash, then buy a house with at least a 20% downpayment and pay it off within 15 years. None of this private mortgage insurance interest-only crap.

      I love the people that say rent is "wasting" money. If rent is "wasting" money then what the hell do you call the interest on your mortgage? The only difference between the two is that one is usually tax-deductible and even that might change soon. My rent buys a roof over my head for a lower cost then a mortgage would and the added benefit that I'm not responsible for anything beyond it. Furnace breaks down in the middle of January when it's -10 outside? Not my problem!

      to purchase a new car (yeah, I know. But it was my first car. I'm allowed)

      Hey I won't give you crap for that. Unless you are lucky enough to live in Manhattan it's pretty hard to be an American without a car. But even at that I tell people that there is no reason to be stupid about it. I bought my car with 8,000 miles on it for $10,000. At my current rate of driving I'll have it paid off with around 60,000 - 65,000 miles on it. That should translate into a few years of no car payment and little maintenance expense (besides oil changes/tires and standard stuff). During those few years I'll be transferring the amount of my car payment into savings each month. When this car dies I'll probably be able to replace it with a similar one and come very close to buying it outright with cash.

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    43. Re:Cash Cow Concerns by peragrin · · Score: 1

      While I am quite like you. I bought a $20,000 as it fit my needs for storage and doubled my fuel effiency. I have two credit cards, and as soon as one of those is paid off It will get canceled(bad decision on my part). The other has a high balance allowed for emergencies but i don't let myself spend more than %15 of the overall balance. while I don't have a lot set aside, I do have a months worth, two months if I am careful(IE it will cover my all bills but not anything abnormal). At the end of the year i use my tax return to either put some money aside, or to buy the one or two big items I might need during that year. Last year I splurged on a decent matteress and box spring. I also save all my change. 3-4 times a year i take it to a coinstar machine. sure they take 10% but I still end up with an extra $150-$200 a year at christmas time to buy gifts with.

      You don't have to buy the cheapest out there. You can have the latest phone, And go to fancy restruants. The trick is to do it with moderation. You can have a car with Leather interior and a moonroof, you can have comfortable furniture. Just don't go crazy buying it as it comes out the door. Give it time.

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    44. Re:Cash Cow Concerns by Plaid+Phantom · · Score: 1

      So Congress is just sick of getting those EFF emails?

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    45. Re:Cash Cow Concerns by frizop · · Score: 1

      These issues could be taken care of by not allowing any sort of 'corporate' funding of political candidates. Also, kill all lobbyist.

    46. Re:Cash Cow Concerns by Danny+Rathjens · · Score: 1

      Congress' primary power over the whitehouse is the budget, as well. Look at how that is working out.

    47. Re:Cash Cow Concerns by Shakrai · · Score: 1

      At the end of the year i use my tax return to either put some money aside

      If you are getting a large enough refund (my rule of thumb is anything >$100) then you should really adjust your withholding. A friend of mine is so happy each year to get a $1,500 refund. She was less amused when I pointed out that translates into almost $30/week that she would have had throughout the year for expenses and savings.

      I also save all my change. 3-4 times a year i take it to a coinstar machine. sure they take 10% but I still end up with an extra $150-$200 a year at christmas time to buy gifts with.

      Some of those machines will waive that surcharge if you purchase gift certificates instead of cash redemption. If they carry gift certificates for any places where you'd shop for x-mas gifts (they used to offer Amazon and B&N ones, as I recall) then that's a good way to go to avoid the fee.

      You can have a car with Leather interior and a moonroof

      You can. For me it's not worth it. I get a bigger thrill out of seeing my networth rise then I would out of driving a fancier car. My previous two cars were ghetto beaters so I'm quite happy every time this one starts without me having to open the hood and/or pray ;)

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    48. Re:Cash Cow Concerns by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How is media unavoidable? I'm fairly certain that you can turn off your TV, radio and sit in a dark room. The problem is everybody wants to bitch about how corporations make people spend spend spend, but nobody wants to give up anything. Also, if you know that advertising is in fact advertising, why do you allow it to affect you? Haven't you been taught about the dangers of peer pressure in some junior high assembly?

      Oh they are constantly advertising on the TV so I have to pay attention! I shouldn't have to turn off my TV to avoid advertising that pays for the programming, and I certainly can't not buy what they are plugging! Congress, please step in!

      That is the equivalent to claiming that it isn't your fault you raped a girl, she was wearing a short skirt and was asking for it.

    49. Re:Cash Cow Concerns by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We need a few hundred billion more dollars for defense spending against...ummm...Malta. Yah, Malta. Oh screw it, just cut a check to Raytheon and GE.

      And lets see if we can give the poor, suffering super rich a few more tax breaks too. As for the rest of you, see you in April, suckers!

    50. Re:Cash Cow Concerns by Shakrai · · Score: 2, Insightful

      They aren't filling a need, only a want. Let the cable company charge as much as they can get. If the people don't like it, they can read the newspaper.

      The internet is slightly more complicated, as it basically is a "need" in this day in age.

      Wait, so you first say that the cable companies are filling a "want", not a "need", then you turn around and admit that the internet is a "need".

      Where the hell do you think a lot of people obtain their internet access from? The series of tubes? For many cable internet is the only choice. Some have DSL as second option. A small handful are lucky enough to have a WISP or local DSL provider as a third option.

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    51. Re:Cash Cow Concerns by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oil is a commodity traded on the commodities market. As such, oil companies do not set the price of oil. Pickup a fucking book and educate yourself you liberal douche bags. I'm sick and fucking tired of half wits who point the finger at oil companies as if they are the problem. You're the fucking problem. Humans got by for hundreds and thousands of years without oil. You think the price of gas is to high? Buy a more fuel efficient vehicle or move closer to where you work. It's called the free market economy. If the price of something is to high you're free buy less of it. Fuck, you asshats act as if we're forced to buy gasoline. We're not. Nobody forced you to buy that tank of an SUV you drive that gets 2 miles to the gallon and nobody forced you to buy a McMansion an hour away from where you work. You did that on your own. With the rise of India and China, oil prices have increased and they'll never go back down to where they were in the 90's. Increased demand, less supply. It's economics 101.

      In fact, the biggest problem in the US isn't the price of oil, it's the lack of refinery capacity to turn that oil into gasoline. A new refinery hasn't been built in the USA in years thanks to the idiotic environmental laws that you, my retarded liberal friend, have been pushing for. You're restrictive regulations have now come back to bite you in the ass and then you have the gull to bitch about it.

      You can either complain about it and cry to the goverment for help (which you will not and should not get) or you can get off of your fat, whiny, lazy ass and do something about it. Move closer to where you work, buy a more fuel efficient vehicle and take the money you're saving on gasoline each month and invest it in Exxon/Mobile.

    52. Re:Cash Cow Concerns by Chas · · Score: 1

      Nope. Sorry, ain't going to work.

      Anarchy, defined as "everybody out for themselves but due to an "invisible hand" effect working together towards the same end" has the same problem as Communism/Socialism.

      If someone decides NOT to play by the same rules as everyone else, they have an advantage (even if only temporarily) in the system.

      If it's anarchy in the classical sense, it just devolves (rapidly) into absolute tyranny as a segment of the population will subjugate others.

      Sorry, but NUCK THAT FOISE!

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    53. Re:Cash Cow Concerns by Some_Llama · · Score: 1

      "How is media unavoidable? I'm fairly certain that you can turn off your TV, radio and sit in a dark room. "

      I can't walk down the street with out being assaulted by bus ads, billboards, radios blaring. I can't shop in a grocery store without seeing adds on carts, in the aisles, on the back of my receipt. I can't look in my mailbox or pay a bill without seeing at least 5 ads staring back at me. I can't read a newspaper or magazine without ads literally falling from the pages.

      I change the channel on TV or radio (when it is in my control) when an ad comes on, block them from all websites i visit, and do my best to avoid it but it IS un-avoidable.

      Do you actually live in the US?

      "That is the equivalent to claiming that it isn't your fault you raped a girl, she was wearing a short skirt and was asking for it."

      no it is the equivalent to claiming that it isn't your fault for a hard on when you are continually being given a lap dance.

    54. Re:Cash Cow Concerns by Bellum+Aeternus · · Score: 1

      Or you can be like me and game the system. All those 0% credit offers than swam about? I took every one of them and used them to buy anything I needed. Doing so allowed me to pay off my cars, student loans, and anything else with interest. Now I have fantastic credit, look like a 'good consumer' to the lending agencies and was able to secure a new home loan at a great rate with zero down (even in this market). Getting a home gets me a tax write off, money from the builder, state, county, and city (free money is everywhere if you're willing to look) so that even if the house drops 10% in value I'll break even in 3 years. Assuming the house doesn't drop in value I've made money.

      The point here is that simply saving money isn't enough. I know the interest rates I get at the bank are below inflation and even my money markets aren't worth what they used to be now that the dollar is taking a slide.

      Oh, and as for all that debt I took on? It was easy to pay off because 100% of my payment went directly to the principle. You'd be amazed how fast you can reduce your debt when you're not paying interest.

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    55. Re:Cash Cow Concerns by Enzo1977 · · Score: 1

      50% off Calphalon pans? Nice, care to share more details, like where and how I can get same deal? :)

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    56. Re:Cash Cow Concerns by Some_Llama · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "It would be more productive (IMHO) to address society's overall lack of willpower and restraint than to restrict those who profit from it."

      I agree, but it's hard to get through rehab when you live in a pharmacy.

    57. Re:Cash Cow Concerns by saider · · Score: 1

      Exactly what part of the media is "un-avoidable"?

      Capitalism would expect companies to try to sell their products. It also expects the consumers to make appropriate decisions (to say "no"). This is where the problem is. Too many people are overwhelmed by peer pressure and cannot make good decisions. See also "herd mentality".

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    58. Re:Cash Cow Concerns by jamstar7 · · Score: 1

      The difference here is that the Congress controls the FCC's budget, whereas it has essentially no control over Microsoft or the oil industry. Only the FTC can really do anything to Microsoft/Big Oil directly, so there is a dilution of congressional oversight. Yes, congress having a hearing with oil execs or with microsoft is more for show. If they wanted to achieve anything in those two arenas, they would haul FTC folks in and say, "Why are you letting oil/microsoft fleece the public?"

      So, Congress cuts their budget, which makes them even more ameniable to bribes than usual, including implementing regulations for hire, just like they've always been. I'm thinking we're looking at yet another case of business as usual, in all senses of the word. We're turning ourselves into yet another Third World country. Pretty soon, all government bureaus will depend on bribes.

      Some day, I hope that democracy starts working again...let's see if this is a start?

      More like, the beginning of the end of democracy.

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    59. Re:Cash Cow Concerns by Chas · · Score: 1

      "One neutral not-for-profit entity owns the fiber/copper/coax and leases it to whomever is interested in providing service"

      Again, just another monopoly.

      And there are lots of "not for profit" corporations out there that don't rake in the cash...they pay people to do it for them...

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    60. Re:Cash Cow Concerns by Shakrai · · Score: 1

      Again, just another monopoly.

      Do you have a better idea or are you just a professional nay-sayer? If you have a better idea I'm all ears because I recall saying that it would never happen and I'm not even sure it'd be a good idea anyway.

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    61. Re:Cash Cow Concerns by smooth+wombat · · Score: 1
      Look at Le Gourmet Chef. Look through their selections on that page. I happen to have one about 30 minutes from me and found out by accident on Black Friday some of the items were on sale. There is another place called Reading China & Glass down the road from them which also had Calphalon on sale though they were different pans from the same line. I went back down last week when I was off and picked up another pan at Reading.


      I got the ones in the Calphalon One line, both infused anodized and non-stick. Interestingly, the price that was rung up for the one pan I got at the store was less than the sale price posted. About $10 less. Needless to say, I didn't say a word.

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    62. Re:Cash Cow Concerns by tgd · · Score: 1

      FYI, and I know this isn't on topic, Calphalon started doing their manufacturing in China a few years back. The "normal" price for their pans dropped about 60% but they didn't move the list prices.

      50% off list is paying too much. A good price is more like 70%. Amazon is famous for their Calphalon "Friday Sale" -- and those prices are really what they should be all the time.

    63. Re:Cash Cow Concerns by jamstar7 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      These issues could be taken care of by not allowing any sort of 'corporate' funding of political candidates. Also, kill all lobbyist.

      Great idea. Too bad it'll never work. Roughly translated, the phrase "Who will guard the guardians?" comes to mind. The problem isn't new, it goes all the way back to and past Rome. How do you regulate a ruling class that intends on 'policing' itself? You can't. A solution is known, but again, it'll never be implemented, for obvious reasons.

      And for what it's worth, I kinda LIKE Piper's solution.

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    64. Re:Cash Cow Concerns by TufelKinder · · Score: 1

      I'm confused. What could be more "free" than pure capitalism...?
      Capitalism is the natural result of a free society/market.

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    65. Re:Cash Cow Concerns by jamstar7 · · Score: 1

      /. can just barely police itself.

      Call this 'policing'??? You must be new here. Now report to CowboyNeal for your hot grits-covered unautographed photo of Natalie Portman in Soviet Russia.

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    66. Re:Cash Cow Concerns by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Frooglism Oh, I mean Google Productism.

    67. Re:Cash Cow Concerns by Duhavid · · Score: 1

      Perhaps not, but with that line of reasoning,
      couldn't you say is it not communism's fault that
      people didn't work harder and make more of things?

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    68. Re:Cash Cow Concerns by Red+Flayer · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Anarchy == capitalism.

      Government is in the only restriction on capitalism we have.

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    69. Re:Cash Cow Concerns by giminy · · Score: 1

      Congress' primary power over the whitehouse is the budget, as well. Look at how that is working out.

      Right, but the white house can veto a budget. The FCC does not have that luxury...

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    70. Re:Cash Cow Concerns by DigitalCrackPipe · · Score: 1

      Just food for thought, one danger of having a single company control 99% of the market would be the severe monopoly powers (worse than they enjoy now). Perhaps more serious, there's a single point of failure - if the company goes under, all customers would be without cable or the government would almost certainly be urged to bail them out as with the airline industry. It's not much, but having a few separate companies operate in the country might leave us with another semi-capable operator who could step in.

      Not that the 40% rule protects us from the current abuses, it just helps ward off a few catastrophe scenarios.

    71. Re:Cash Cow Concerns by MightyMartian · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Neither of these ideologies is perfect. I don't believe there is such a thing as a perfect ideology. Quite the opposite, I think going down the path of a single ideology is, and has always been, the perfect path towards destruction and tyranny. Fanatics believe that a singular ideology can deliver the goods. Reasonable people know quite different.

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    72. Re:Cash Cow Concerns by STrinity · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Then don't buy things (as someone below your comment has said) if you don't need them. Or, you might be interested in trying what these folks set out to do.
      Those people aren't fighting the system -- they're just leaching off it. Their scrounging is only sustainable as long as the rest of us discard usable products for them to pick up.
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    73. Re:Cash Cow Concerns by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or those of us who bought homes within our means, without sub-prime or gimmick loans who now face the prospect of our tax dollars being used to bail out individuals and credit institutions that gambled on a housing bubble and lost?

      Not that I really wish for people to be tossed out on the street by a foreclosure, but your point stands that there is not always a reward for long-term thinking. In the end, the stress of being "upside down" on your mortgage and facing foreclosure and bankruptcy is probably a tough ordeal, even if you brought it on yourself. So I guess avoiding all of that is the "reward."

    74. Re:Cash Cow Concerns by jdjbuffalo · · Score: 1

      More meaningful reform would be to separate the physical layer from the service. One neutral not-for-profit entity owns the fiber/copper/coax and leases it to whomever is interested in providing service. It will never happen but I'm at a loss for how else you'd encourage local competition for the last mile, at least with regards to non-wireless technology. I think it's an excellent idea and it's one I've been saying for a while.

      It solves the issues by:
      1. Providing the most competition (which is what we ideally want in a capitalist society-I won't get into the details that we're not a true capitalist society)
      2. Providing good prices (as everyone is competing)
      3. Limits damaging policies (e.g. if one ISP is throttling their customers and another isn't then people will move to the one who is more consumer lenient)

      I hate to be pessimistic, but I agree that the chances of it happening in most of the country is very low. The closest thing I've seen to this happing is with Utah's UTOPIA project. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UTOPIA
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    75. Re:Cash Cow Concerns by R2.0 · · Score: 2, Informative

      "That's all well and good in theory, but how the hell does it help me? "

      It doesn't affect your choice of cable provider, but it DOES affect your choices for content. Cable companies must form agreements with networks and other content providers to carry the content. If one cable company becomes dominant nationwide, THEY get to decide what you can watch.

      Right now, if I have some new channel, I need to go to the cable company and convince them to carry it. With a number of different companies as markets, I have a better chance of getting my content aired in at least some markets. If it is good, and gets traction, people in other markets will ask their cable company why they don't carry it. But if there are only 1 or 2 dominant providers nationwide, I only have 1 or 2 chances, so the odds are much longer.

      Also, being dominant gives a cable company a huge say over the content in their existing networks. Lets say the Dems get in power and both branches of Congress and the Executive are controlled by Democrats. And lets say Comcast is allowed to gain, say, 50% of the market. A few words are whispered in a few ears, and *poof* - where the hell did Fox News go? Comcast will say it's a business decision, because Fox News, despite the the impression one gets from rantings around here, really doesn't have good Nielson ratings. So Comcast may lose a few subscribers to Dish Network. And what's Murdoch going to do - pull the rest of his channels? Blow away 1/2 his corporate advertising revenue? No, he'll swallow hard because Comcast now has him by the balls. And I know everyone here hates Fox, but do we really want to accept a situation where a news outlet can get silenced by corporations? We go spasmodic when someone says "Boo!" to a blogger!

      There have already been rumblings of these disputes - Disney wanted to sell a package with a whole bunch of 3rd rate channels with ABC and Disney Channel. The cable company didn't want to be forced to take filler channels. Disney won that one, but would they win against a dominant nationwide cable company?

      Another one is the dispute between Peter Angelos, owner of the Baltimore Orioles, and Comcast. Comcast sports network was broadcasting Orioles games. In exchange for "allowing" the Expos to move to Washington DC (No, I don't get it either), Angelos was granted a part of the new team's TV revenue, implemented by forming ANOTHER network. Comcast cried foul (haha) and refused to carry the new network. The local governments FREAKED, and threatened Comcast with revoking their licens if they didn't carry the games. I know Angelos is a scumbag, and MLB is full of other scumbags, but I'd rather have them being able to put pressure on my cable company, and not vice versa.

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    76. Re:Cash Cow Concerns by nate_wilbanks · · Score: 1

      Some day, I hope that democracy starts working again...let's see if this is a start? I don't. I prefer to live in a republic.
    77. Re:Cash Cow Concerns by roastedMnM · · Score: 1

      Regarding the withholding, many (including myself - and yes I know several others that do this in my own social group) use it as a way to save without the temptation to spend that extra $30 a week. When it's in your hot little hands it's a lot easier to spend compared to a big check that you can direct deposite into the proper account.

    78. Re:Cash Cow Concerns by Chas · · Score: 1

      Simply because I may not have a better solution doesn't stop a bad idea from being bad.

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    79. Re:Cash Cow Concerns by smooth+wombat · · Score: 1

      I check to be sure what I buy is not made in China. As I'm buying the Calphalon One line, those are still made in the US (as far as I can tell). Also, the prices were at least 50% off list. In most cases they were 60% less. For example, a list $180 pan was $49.99 on sale. That's 72%.

      The other lines, Contemporary and Simply for example, are probably the ones that are made in China.

      Thanks though for the heads up on Amazon. I'll have to check to see what's there.

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    80. Re:Cash Cow Concerns by civilizedINTENSITY · · Score: 1

      But using a budget veto means there is no budget and thus no money.

    81. Re:Cash Cow Concerns by Some_Llama · · Score: 1

      "Capitalism would expect companies to try to sell their products. It also expects the consumers to make appropriate decisions (to say "no"). "

      everyone knows that the best advertising you can get is word of mouth, if you have a product that is the best, in a system with no advertising, that product will "beat" any other competitor.

      what advertising seeks to do is sell a product that is neither not needed or not "best of breed" or is defective in some way.

      I have no problem with capitalism per se, just with advertising, Esp with modern advertising which is not about informing the public about a product but about shaping the publics view of a product or company and their desire to consume such products.

      "Too many people are overwhelmed by peer pressure and cannot make good decisions. See also "herd mentality"."

      If you mean that so many people are convinced by advertising that their lives are incomplete in some way, and this is re-enforced by everyone around them believing the same thing, then i would agree.

    82. Re:Cash Cow Concerns by Fieryphoenix · · Score: 1

      What it does is force the creation (or at least continued existence) of other companies to serve areas that the giant is blocked from expanding into. With unlimited ownership one company could squeeze out all the competition... this ensures that SOMEONE else must exist... and theoretically that means the someone else is ready and able to make a move into your market the moment they think they can make some money. So no, it won't magically make someone set up shop, but it does at least ensure someone is out there who "does cable for a living" and could do it. It's a kind of half measure, and a weak one at that.

    83. Re:Cash Cow Concerns by neomunk · · Score: 1

      If I'm reading what you're saying correctly then basically the 'correct' system is one that adapts to conditions. A dynamic system. I tend to agree.

      In defense of the GP though, I truly believe that we've swung into an area near authoritarianism and it's time to start the pendulum on it's way back. Statements like that of the GP are the required force to bring about said shift in momentum. He/she might not be CORRECT, but the sociological VECTOR he/she is offering is the prudent one to apply, IMHO.

    84. Re:Cash Cow Concerns by Erwos · · Score: 1

      "For me it's not worth it. I get a bigger thrill out of seeing my networth rise then I would out of driving a fancier car."

      I find it absolutely fascinating that you apparently seem to think there's some sort of moral superiority when a "rising networth" (aka, money) gives you pleasure than things.

      I'm fiscally responsible, too - but it's what you do with money that should be the goal, not accumulating it. That's my opinion, anyways.

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    85. Re:Cash Cow Concerns by Lijemo · · Score: 1

      If you only want to live a free life, and enjoy the things nature gives you, Anarchy is perfect.

      Until someone with a bigger gun takes your little piece of nature and "what it has given you", and says "you have to do what I say now or I kill you".

      A functional anarchy requires a large enough percentage of people to "play nice" on a consistent enough basis that, if it were true, life would be wonderful with any of many governmental structures-- especially one bearing even the remotest resemblance to a democracy.

    86. Re:Cash Cow Concerns by lessthan · · Score: 1

      Capitalism requires some of the order that anarchy eschews. What guarantee do you have that your prospective buyer isn't simply going to steal your goods, rather than pay for them? If you answer "My gun!" you're wrong. There is always going to someone stronger, smarter, or faster than you. There is someone out there with less moral fiber than you. Faith in the goodness of man is misplaced.

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    87. Re:Cash Cow Concerns by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your metaphor is simultaneously arousing and stupid.

      Thanks. I think.

    88. Re:Cash Cow Concerns by MightyMartian · · Score: 1

      I don't think swinging wildly between two opposing poles is exactly the way you want a society to function. I don't see how anarchism is a solution to authoritarianism. That's rather like saying hacking out a brain is a good way to cure brain cancer.

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    89. Re:Cash Cow Concerns by berashith · · Score: 1

      Why is anarchy always depicted this way? At the moment a warlord has seized power as such, the anarchy is gone, and we are back under totalitarianism. If everyone had a proper respect for each other, and a proper fear of those who seek power and to control others for personal gain at the expense of others, then anarchy may just rise up and destroy the bastard trying to become warlord in charge.

      This of course requires a bit a vigilance and personal responsibility, oh ya, and actually holding respect for others as a meaningful value, but is possible as long as we arent a world of sheep.

    90. Re:Cash Cow Concerns by triffid_98 · · Score: 1
      I don't know that I would call it leeching. Think of it as a form of protest. And you've reached the heart of the matter, it only works as long as there are working or fixable secondhand hand goods available. As a bonus, this practice puts money directly in the hands of individuals, instead of filtering it through the hands of big business and government. But it's only inherently sustainable if you can find products made before they were engineered to be disposable commodities. That's a tall order these days.

      This 'disposable society' a big problem, and it makes a mockery of the so called environmentalism thats so fashionable right now. Once upon a time products were engineered for a lifetime of service. Not 2 years of service, off to the landfill (no repair parts available) or the slow boat to China (to be burned for re-processing, aka 'recycled') and off to Walmart to buy another piece of plastic junk. How environmentally conscious is that?

      Those people aren't fighting the system -- they're just leaching off it. Their scrounging is only sustainable as long as the rest of us discard usable products for them to pick up.
    91. Re:Cash Cow Concerns by Waffle+Iron · · Score: 1

      Why is anarchy always depicted this way?

      Because that's the way the world works.

      If everyone had a proper respect for each other

      But they don't. They never have at any time in the history of the human race, and they almost certainly never will.

    92. Re:Cash Cow Concerns by amRadioHed · · Score: 1

      It's actually a hybrid of capitalism and socialism.

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    93. Re:Cash Cow Concerns by aeschenkarnos · · Score: 4, Insightful
      "Anarchist" is to "left-wing" (or socialist) as "libertarian" is to "right-wing" (or capitalist). You can argue with either flavor of these fuckwits--who hate each other more than they hate you, despite the near-identical effect of their philosophies--until you're ultraviolet in the face. You can demonstrate their errors with rigorous logic, by pointing to real-world examples, by computer modeling, hell even with all three dozen fallacies ... and they can not and will not comprehend their errors. They'll look at you like stunned sheep. They'll even shut up about it. But come the next discussion: oh look, here comes a fuckwit, singing "all we need is freeeeeeeeeeeeedom" all over again.

      Freedoms have no inherent meaning without an authority (even the physical capacity of other people to force you to do their will counts as authority) to exercise them against, and no freedom can exist without an authority to enforce that freedom. These can be one and the same authority (the State itself enforces most of your freedoms against the State), but other people are, basically by definition, not one and the same, they are many and varied. Without an authority over all of you to keep you honest and decent to each other, you have no redress for the wrongs other people might do to you. Any system of redress capable of enforcing its decrees would amount to a State.

    94. Re:Cash Cow Concerns by packeteer · · Score: 1

      ...until somebody else's "free life" comes at the expense of your own wellbeing. Then you're fucked.

      How do the current laws prevent someone from hurting you? The answer is they don't. They generally put someone in jail afterwards which deters crime overall but it does nothing to protect you as an individual. Time and time again the courts (supreme included) have said that the role of the police is to protect the greater good, not the individual. That is why you can't sue the police for not showing up quickly. Presumably they chose to go somewhere where they were protecting the greater good.

      Your job as an individual citizen is to protect yourself. This is the case under the current system and under a theoretical anarchy it would be the same. Nobody can or will protect you other than yourself. Get educated and get armed if you think that is right for you. You don't have to carry a gun but there is a lot you can do to learn to protect yourself. Also by protect i don't just mean physical attacks. It is your own responsibility to guard yourself from fraud and theft. Buy locks and pay attention. Too many poeple think someone out there is going to protect them so they fall into scams and fraudulent traps. Too many people assume it can't or won't happen.

      Anarchy would be no less safe. You right now are not safe unless you have taken the time and effort to protect yourself. I personally don't think anarchy would be the best system but too many people just assume it would be chaos. True anarchy would be anything but. The current system of corrupt government is more chaotic than a true anarchy. The key there being a "true" anarchy; it would be just as impossible to achieve as a true communism. Because of the difficulty in achieving either i think both are a waste of time. It is still worth discussing anarchy because there are many lessons to be learned just from considering what could be.

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    95. Re:Cash Cow Concerns by wiredlogic · · Score: 1

      Yes. What this really means is that the congressmen reached their minimum hooker threshold from the lobbyists and now they have to act to repay their kind gesture.

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    96. Re:Cash Cow Concerns by giminy · · Score: 1

      Nope. Using a budget veto means that last year's budget applies. It's one of those wacky rules that the government made so that it wouldn't stop itself from running just because the Congress and the President have a disagreement.

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    97. Re:Cash Cow Concerns by smaddox · · Score: 1

      That is why you have people you personally know and trust that will band together to fight any such bullies.

      The only thing keeping this from happening now is the risk of prison.

      In an anarchy, the risk of death would be more than enough to keep this from happening.

      Of course there will always be people who will try anyways, but they won't win forever. If their existence depends on stealing from others, they have to continually take that risk. Odds are - they will lose once. Once happens to be enough, because they would be unlike to live to try again.

    98. Re:Cash Cow Concerns by civilizedINTENSITY · · Score: 1

      Could you provide a reference? I can't seem to find this loophole. I remember when Clinton and the Congress couldn't agree on a budget...

    99. Re:Cash Cow Concerns by kvezach · · Score: 1

      Arguing against a planned economy because of GOSPLAN is like arguing that sorting large arrays will never be possible because bubblesort has such lousy time complexity. I know about the craziness of GOSPLAN, about how they first commissioned panes of glass by weight (guess what, really thick windows), then by area (you think thick was bad, here's thin!), about storming, and about how the factories would weld lumps of metal to their products to increase their mass (when that was what they were scored by).

      A well working planned economy must handle both logistics and innovation. GOSPLAN didn't handle either, except when the dictatorship was the "customer" (funny, that!). That doesn't imply it's impossible. Allende's government of Chile used real-time management to run their logistics (just before the coup), where careful organization of 200 trucks thwarted a blockade by 50000 small business owners, for instance.

      On the matters of scoring, GOSPLAN tried to score "objectively", to set plans by objective factors. That didn't work, because there was always a loophole. But it's possible to make "accounting prices" that serve the same adjustment purpose as real prices do in capitalism. Oskar Lange (and earlier, Strumilin) advocated using such accounting prices, but the computational power at the time wasn't nearly sufficient to get the work done. The USSR and similar nations were stuck with a bubble sort (or maybe even a bozo sort terminated after n swaps) because neither better algorithms nor the power required to run them were present, they were too dictatorial to use iterative processes, and to some extent they didn't see the problem at all.

      But now one could be decentralized and use iteration, solve the economy as an input output matrix (which is easier than thought since the matrix is sparse) to get "accounting prices", or go at it more directly.

      Yes, GOSPLAN made all the wrong choices, and yes, the economy suffered for it. But so did their politics, yet we don't say totalitarian dictatorship is the only option possible for political government. So why should we say that their "oh, let's plan a little bit based on what the dictator wants and then hope the rest works out" approach is the only option possible for economic regulation?

    100. Re:Cash Cow Concerns by peragrin · · Score: 1

      I do understand the cars that you don't have to put a quart of oil in it every other week. i had a couple of those myself.

      As for my tax returns I have thought about adjusting my withholding, but then I looked at it another way. If I had $30 extra in hands right away, it would get lost.

      By letting the government hold it Interest free (downside) I know I will get a check for several hundred dollars at the end of the year. On top of that I get the piece of mind knowing that I will not have to pay any tax if something happens. I know one kid who got totally screwed as he was working several jobs while withholding too little. I would rather not have to scramble to come up with extra money because I picked up a second job and it pushed me into the next higher bracket.

      So you lose a little today, but you know for a fact when the year ends you won't end up losing even more.

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      i thought once I was found, but it was only a dream.
    101. Re:Cash Cow Concerns by bogjobber · · Score: 1
      Credit cards and Governmental Debt are not investments for the future.

      Um, actually they are. You just have to use them correctly. Starting a business on a credit line is good, putting a $3000 TV that you can't afford on it is probably bad. Using government debt to fund research, infrastructure, education, etc. is a good investment. Using it to fund an unnecessary war is bad.

    102. Re:Cash Cow Concerns by Doc+Lazarus · · Score: 1

      This brings up a good point, and that point is maybe we shouldn't have various businesses controlling what is seen by the populace. After dealing with Comcast for ten years and watching them slowly turn their commercials into glorified propaganda with obvious disinformation about AT&T and the various Dish-based companies, it's obvious that the last thing we need is a bunch of companies with an agenda that are controlling what people see and hear. What needs to be done is to create a government-owned network for television. No more cable systems, no more paying for cable stations that also rely on ad revenue. Take down the Big Four Networks and finally give all those tiny cable channels free reign to air as well. The last thing any citizen of America should be doing is paying for channels and considering the danger involved with corporations like Comcast can do when they spread disinformation, I'd rather have the networks and everything be in the hands of people I can vote out of office instead of some monopoly who deals more in obfuscation than actually running an actual business. And the FCC needs to go as well. They no longer have a real purpose since most of the censoring they do is on account of some 200 people who constantly call to bitch and whine to push their own agendas as well.

    103. Re:Cash Cow Concerns by neomunk · · Score: 1

      I didn't say anything about swinging wildly, nor wholesale replacement of extreme authoritarianism with total anarchy, I'm talking about TRENDS, TENDENCIES, and VECTORS here. Toss out this 'black and white', 'this or that', 'all or nothing' idealism (none of which offer anything close to a realistic model of society) and you'll see what I mean.

      And if you take my analogy to it's correct conclusion, you'll see that hacking out your brain -IS- the proper method of taking care of brain cancer. Doing so wholesale is, well, disastrous, but hacking out the offending piece, while following a precise plan, is exactly the right answer. Just because you're following the surgical plan doesn't mean you're NOT implementing a policy of brain removal, it just means you're not taking it to unneeded and illogical proportions.

    104. Re:Cash Cow Concerns by saider · · Score: 1


      Even in a world without advertising, people would still crave the things they don't have, but their peers or role models do have. Advertisers do not make people feel their life is incomplete, people do that all by themselves.

      I live quite nicely without a good many of the "must have" things out there. For the other things I do have, I made a decision to part with money for a particular feature. Other people will buy anything that is accompanied by a loud announcer, big breasted woman, and/or loud rock music.

      But you never answered the question of "unavoidable media". The media is avoidable, and easily so. Media is only unavoidable to those who "must have" it.

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      Remember, You are unique...just like everyone else.
    105. Re:Cash Cow Concerns by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      bla bla bla Lots of statements, opinion and hyperbole and as usual not a single actual fact relevant to the topic.

      Theoretical anarchy? Right.

      I'll take a somewhat modern democracy trying to work somewhat properly over your theoretical anarchy any chance I get, thank you very much.

      I do know Krav Maga, btw, but I've yet had to apply it on anyone. Fancy that.
    106. Re:Cash Cow Concerns by giminy · · Score: 1

      Apologies, it is not automatic. But a resolution is passed every year, and is often done so before the budget is even produced by the President. For 2007, see H.J. Res. 20 (link to 110th congress H.J. Res. 20). The resolution generally funds single-year programs at equivalent levels of the 2006 budget. The House Rules Glossary lists these continuations under "Continuing Resolution", defined thus:

      Continuing Resolution (CR) - A joint resolution that provides funds to continue the operation of federal agencies and programs at the beginning of a new fiscal year if their annual appropriation bills have not yet been enacted; also called continuing appropriations. Enacted shortly before or after the new fiscal year begins, the first continuing resolution usually makes funds available for a specified period; additional resolutions are often needed after the first expires. Some CRs have provided appropriations for an entire fiscal year. Continuing resolutions for specific periods customarily fix a rate at which agencies may incur obligations based either on the prior year's appropriations, the President's budget request, or the amount in the agency's regular annual appropriation bill that has already been passed by one or both houses. In the House, continuing resolutions are privileged after September 15.

      Naturally for the government agencies involved this is kind of a headache, and requires money-shuffling so that the projects that need funding get funding.

      Reid

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    107. Re:Cash Cow Concerns by Some_Llama · · Score: 1

      "But you never answered the question of "unavoidable media". The media is avoidable, and easily so. Media is only unavoidable to those who "must have" it."

      Yes i did, buses, billboards, public radios playing in any stores, newspapers, shopping carts, mall posters, etc, etc, etc.

      Unless you mean to say if i never leave my house, open my eyes, buy food or clothing, then yes you are right it is totally unavoidable, what a great point /sarcasm

      As I love the show let me quote from Futurama:

      "Didn't you have ads in the twentieth century?" -Leela
      "Well, sure, but not in our dreams. Only on TV and radio...and in
      magazines...and movies, and at ballgames, and on buses, and
      milk cartons, and T-shirts, and bananas, and written in the sky. But not in
      dreams, no sirree." -Fry

    108. Re:Cash Cow Concerns by Some_Llama · · Score: 1

      Stupid preview, my reply should be:

      "But you never answered the question of "unavoidable media". The media is avoidable, and easily so. Media is only unavoidable to those who "must have" it."

      Yes i did, buses, billboards, public radios playing in any stores, newspapers, shopping carts, mall posters, etc, etc, etc.

      Unless you mean to say if i never leave my house, open my eyes, buy food or clothing, then yes you are right it is totally avoidable, what a great point /sarcasm

      As I love the show let me quote from Futurama:

      "Didn't you have ads in the twentieth century?" -Leela
      "Well, sure, but not in our dreams. Only on TV and radio...and in
      magazines...and movies, and at ballgames, and on buses, and
      milk cartons, and T-shirts, and bananas, and written in the sky. But not in
      dreams, no sirree." -Fry

  2. ah-oh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    "The FCC is structured about broadcast, cable and telephone," he said. "That isn't the world we are live in, and it isn't the world we are going to. The FCC has to be overhauled for the Internet world."

    This make me feel nervous, because if they start monitoring the internet all the stuff we like on it will be gone.

    1. Re:ah-oh by Shakrai · · Score: 1

      This make me feel nervous, because if they start monitoring the internet all the stuff we like on it will be gone.

      It will also be gone if we let the telcos and cable cos have free rein to do whatever the hell they want. When content providers get charged twice (once for their net connection, once for communicating with me) for delivering that content and the service providers are allowed to do whatever they want with my traffic (including man-in-the-middle attacks when they don't like what I'm doing) then the internet as we know it is truly dead.

      At least we theoretically have control over the FCC through our elected representatives. You have no control over AT&T or Verizon unless you are a mutual fund manager or own a SHITLOAD of shares.

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      I want peace on earth and goodwill toward man.
      We are the United States Government! We don't do that sort of thing.
    2. Re:ah-oh by Jackie_Chan_Fan · · Score: 1

      Dont you trust our American Government? They know whats best for us.

      The wealthy rule the poor. Get used to it.

    3. Re:ah-oh by markhb · · Score: 1

      Radio and television utilize the broadcast airwaves that are considered to be owned by the public. POTS has long been considered to be something akin to a necessity of life, and has been regulated that way. However, the overall political climate in this country is farther to the right than it was in the 1930's, and it's doubtful that internet access will be given the same "essential" status as POTS.

      Given that, then the concept of "the internet" resolves to the physical layer: the backbones and T3's and switchers and NICs that IP needs in order to a place to exist and travel across. And each of those blinky lights is owned by someone who has all the rights that that ownership implies, which include the right to try to extract as large a profit as you legally can from your property.

      The other thing to bear in mind is that, of the "useful arts" the Constitution mentions in the patents and copyrights clause, it is generally the unspoken rule that the most useful of them all is the art of getting someone to pay you for something that they used to get for free.

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    4. Re:ah-oh by pilgrim23 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      In many ways, the 1990s on the Internet resembled the radio spectrum of the 1930s: Some commercial use, some military use and a whole lot of accademic and hobbyist use.
        Ham Radio Operators have watched the FCC for decades. And well they should; Whenever that board sits in their awsome pontification, Hams loose just a little more spectrum. Radio has been distributed in direct relation to the money distributed. Internet will follow this well worn government path. If you want a good lesson on how a service that to this day (see Katrina, see any natrual disaster) has proven its service when all other means of communication fail), to this DAY serves all of us, and for their trouble gets it in the shorts, Ask a Ham. You will get a glimpse at the near future of the "Net". -73

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    5. Re:ah-oh by Shakrai · · Score: 1

      POTS has long been considered to be something akin to a necessity of life ... and it's doubtful that internet access will be given the same "essential" status as POTS

      It's only doubtful if we don't fight for it to be given that status. I would make the argument that cellular phones should be treated the same as POTS. Ditto for the internet. Both are virtual necessities for large segments of the population, yet neither have the same protections in place as other essential services (like POTS, electric/gas or water).

      the backbones and T3's and switchers and NICs that IP needs in order to a place to exist and travel across. And each of those blinky lights is owned by someone who has all the rights that that ownership implies, which include the right to try to extract as large a profit as you legally can from your property.

      And the public has a right to demand (through our elected representatives) regulation of that property when said owners try to leverage it to maximize profits in a way that's detrimental to the freedom of the internet. Let us not forget that the telcos received numerous Governmental hand-outs to build their networks. Everything from tax breaks worth billions to laws mandating that they get the right-of-way to build their networks, to Governmental issued local monopolies. Given that the "people" (through the Government) elected to give said gifts to these companies, I don't think it's out of line for us to expect not to be screwed over by them.

      Am I out of line in being outraged that Comcast is conducting man-in-the-middle attacks because they don't like a specific protocol? I'd be fine with them publishing a bandwidth limit and enforcing it however they like (cutting off access when exceeded, drastically reducing bandwidth when exceeded, billing overages, etc), but I'm not fine with them deciding that they don't like one specific protocol (p2p) and attempting to interfere with it. I used Comcast as the example but I think this applies to anybody that decides to discriminate against one protocol.

      Where would technology be if AT&T had been allowed to say you can't hook fax machines or modems up to your phone line? They have a right to bitch if that fax machine abuses resources in some way, but they don't have the right to tell me I can't use a fax machine just because it's a fax machine.

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      I want peace on earth and goodwill toward man.
      We are the United States Government! We don't do that sort of thing.
    6. Re:ah-oh by gallwapa · · Score: 1

      Ah look, a revisionist trying to claim to be "elite".

    7. Re:ah-oh by Dancindan84 · · Score: 1

      This make me feel nervous, because if they start monitoring the internet all the stuff we like on it will be gone. Somehow the idea of a guy at the FCC having to watch 2 girls 1 cup in order to impose regulations makes it worth it in the end.
      --
      "Always forgive your enemies; nothing annoys them so much." - Oscar Wilde
    8. Re:ah-oh by geekoid · · Score: 1

      Except you can not control the net in the same way. You are comparing Apples to hammers.

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      The Kruger Dunning explains most post on /. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect
    9. Re:ah-oh by 0100010001010011 · · Score: 2

      Loose is an adjective, the opposite of tight or contained.

      My shoes are loose. I have a loose tooth. There's a dog running loose in the street

      Lose: Lose is a verb that means to suffer the loss of, to miss.

      I win, you lose. Don't lose your keys. I never lose bets.

    10. Re:ah-oh by jamstar7 · · Score: 1

      Dont you trust our American Government?

      Not only no, but HELL NO.

      Who was it that said "Nobody's life, liberty, or property is save when the legislature is in session"? I thought it was Will Rogers, but I can't find the cite.

      --
      Understanding the scope of the problem is the first step on the path to true panic.
  3. "Couldn't be more welcome" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The news couldn't be more welcome to the industries that the FCC regulates.

    Probably true.

    They probably don't like the way the FCC is regulating them, so a few "campaign contributions" later, their bought-and-paid-for, em, concerned Representatives and Senators just "happen" to investigate the FCC.

    When are Pelosi and Reid getting around to earmark reform, anyway? Or will they be too damn busy investigating steroid use in baseball?

    Meh, no wonder their approval rating is half of W's.

    1. Re:"Couldn't be more welcome" by kellyb9 · · Score: 1

      Or will they be too damn busy investigating steroid use in baseball? No, you didn't hear the postponed it until February.... maybe this means they'll do their jobs for the next month, but the outlook doesn't look too good.
    2. Re:"Couldn't be more welcome" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When are Pelosi and Reid getting around to earmark reform, anyway? Or will they be too damn busy investigating steroid use in baseball?

      Meh, no wonder their approval rating is half of W's.


      This claim, often repeated in the media, is a total misdirection of reality. Congress's approval ratings are less than the President's, true (although only by percentage points, not "half"). But congress is a multi-party body. When the question is asked to be party specific, i.e. "Do you approve of the job Republicans [or Democrats] are doing in Congress?" you find that the approval rating of Republican congressmen is consistently in the low 20s, while Democratic Congressmen generally get a rating in the low 40s. Certainly abysmal, yes, but still higher than President Bush.

      The one thing that you've said that is true is that Congress's real problem is not doing enough. Typically, people are unhappy with Democratic Congressmen for not pushing for better laws or more investigations (especially into the administration); people are unhappy with Republican Congressmen for hindering any attempts that are there.
  4. Unspecific by MadUndergrad · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The article has lots of speculation about who wants what, but it doesn't mention whether Congress is trying to intervene on behalf of the telcos and such, or against them. Kind of makes a big difference.

    1. Re:Unspecific by elrous0 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Do you honestly think that they're investigating the FCC as a way to say "Thanks FCC, great job standing up to those telcos!" Give me a break. The telcos have called in their bribes amd slapped their bitches into line (i.e. "Congress") to get them to bring the hammer down on the FCC for daring to actually stand up for the consumer on some issues.

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    2. Re:Unspecific by kabocox · · Score: 1

      Do you honestly think that they're investigating the FCC as a way to say "Thanks FCC, great job standing up to those telcos!" Give me a break. The telcos have called in their bribes amd slapped their bitches into line (i.e. "Congress") to get them to bring the hammer down on the FCC for daring to actually stand up for the consumer on some issues.

      Um, what issue has the FCC stood up for consumers for? I can't name any that come to mind.

    3. Re:Unspecific by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Um, what issue has the FCC stood up for consumers for? I can't name any that come to mind.

      Oops, you didn't write fast enough. This was answered just a couple entries up.

      It was also implied in the article you didn't read. Cheers!

    4. Re:Unspecific by greengrocer · · Score: 1

      Well, the telcos and interested businesses have money that can be directed to lobbyists and re-election campaigns. The FCC has squat. Who is Congress more interested in helping out? The math is pretty simple.

  5. Two Words by kellyb9 · · Score: 1

    About Time!

  6. The best Congress money can buy by elrous0 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    For all of those who doubt that the Democratic and Republican party aren't just the same wolves in different sheepskins...I present to you exhibit A.

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    1. Re:The best Congress money can buy by CensorshipDonkey · · Score: 1

      There's more than one issue. Across the whole spectrum of political issues, if the two parties do come down similarly on some, that's to be expected.

      Vote on what's important to you. Realistically, a strong primary challenge to Democrats (if you lean left) is the best way to change the existing system (third party votes almost always, always split your interests and sink your cause, sad but true). The largest impact an activist can have in the system is working with the primary system.

    2. Re:The best Congress money can buy by gambolt · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I'll take the corrupt oligarchy without all the Jesus in it.

    3. Re:The best Congress money can buy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I personally do not want the Theocracy the Republicans are trying to create.

      Contrary to the Theocrat's propaganda; this is not a christian nation. Seperation of church and state are written into law.

    4. Re:The best Congress money can buy by ScentCone · · Score: 1

      I'll take the corrupt oligarchy without all the Jesus in it.

      Yeah, the new one with all the Marx in it is much better. But Ron Paul will fix that, too, right? After all, he's the one that can determine the budgets, the regulatory atmosphere, and whatnot. Oh, right, that's congress. But at least he's the right man for telling foreign allies that they're not "adult" enough. Way to win back that international respect he's pining away for! Yeesh.

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    5. Re:The best Congress money can buy by Miseph · · Score: 1

      You didn't actually read what was behind that link, did you? FYI, it's a long list of bills proposed by Ron Paul with brief explanations of how and why they are anti-progressive, anti-libertarian, or downright silly.

      Just thought you should know.

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      Try not to take me more seriously than I take myself.
    6. Re:The best Congress money can buy by faloi · · Score: 1

      Because the outcome isn't important, it's how you get there?

      --
      "It is a miracle that curiosity survives formal education." -Albert Einstein
    7. Re:The best Congress money can buy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The article is written in a distinctly misleading fashion. The letter from Dingell pretty clearly indicates that he is unhappy with the way the current FCC commissioner railroads through decisions without a proper public comment period. Now, public comment periods are almost invariably a Good Thing for consumers: lobbyists certainly don't need public comment periods to make their views known since they get to communicate them while they're having steak dinners with FCC commissioners, and historically public comment periods have resulted in huge uproars against industry-friendly policies. So the article is pretty clearly conflating two things that are AFAIK totally unrelated: (1) Congress is unhappy with the FCC, and (2) the cable industry is unhappy with the FCC. I see no evidence presented in the article for why we should believe that the interests of Congress and the cable industry are aligned.

    8. Re:The best Congress money can buy by wiggles · · Score: 1, Offtopic
      I'll probably get buried for pointing out an unpopular fact, but the framers never intended the separation clause to mean total rejection of all religion -- just ambivalence toward specific religions. It was intended to prevent any European style offical state 'church' such as the Lutheran church in Denmark -- where taxes are collected to support the church -- or the Anglican church in England. It's designed to allow all peoples to worship as they see fit, not to prevent people from worshipping just because some other people object to their views and methods. So, if a plurality of the people in a given locality support a specific set of beliefs, it is perfectly acceptable for them to exercise those beliefs through government, which is made up of the people themselves, so long as they do not infringe on the rights of others to worship or not worship as they see fit. For evidence, I submit an excerpt from a letter from president Tyler written in 1843:

      The United States has adventured upon a great and noble experiment, which is believed to have been hazarded in the absence of all previous precedent -- that of total separation of Church and State. No religious establishment by law exists among us. The conscience is left free from all restraint and each is permitted to worship his Maker after his own judgment. The offices of the Government are open alike to all. No tithes are levied to support an established Hierarchy, nor is the fallible judgment of man set up as the sure and infallible creed of faith. The Mohammedan, if he will to come among us would have the privilege guaranteed to him by the Constitution to worship according to the Koran; and the East Indian might erect a shrine to Brahma if it so pleased him. Such is the spirit of toleration inculcated by our political institutions... The Hebrew persecuted and down trodden in other regions takes up his abode among us with none to make him afraid... and the Aegis of the government is over him to defend and protect him. Such is the great experiment which we have tried, and such are the happy fruits which have resulted from it; our system of free government would be imperfect without it.
    9. Re:The best Congress money can buy by gambolt · · Score: 1

      click on the RP link. It's not what you think.

    10. Re:The best Congress money can buy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Sorry. What Theocracy is that? What a completely meaningless propaganda soundbite.

      Insightful indeed; Bush is a fucktard! Do I get an insightful now as well?

    11. Re:The best Congress money can buy by ksheff · · Score: 1

      Hey, if he kept vetoing budget legislation that contains spending that doesn't relate to a specific power in the constitution, then we'd have a shutdown of all the 'non-essential' parts of the Federal Govt for a while. Depending on how long it lasted, most of the Federal workers would love it. The last time it happened, it was like a unscheduled vacation.

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    12. Re:The best Congress money can buy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I know that it's become cliché to ask, but honestly, how are the Democrat candidates any better? All of them have stated at one point or another that "faith is important" to them and all of them belong to various Christian religions. (Clinton and Edwards are United Methodists, and Obama belongs to something called the United Church of Christ.)

      Now you could argue that belonging to a religion isn't the same as promoting a theocracy, and I agree. However that's not my point: all of them have stated that they believe that faith is important, and that they would to some degree rely on their faith in office.

      Both parties are trying to grab onto various groups of the religious. While the religious right might be pro-life and anti-gay, there's also a religious left that's pro-choice and pro-gay. (I really dislike making "gay" a "anti/pro" issue, but I can't think of a better way to put it.)

      Either way you swing, you still hit religion.

    13. Re:The best Congress money can buy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't recall the Republicans ever investigating the FCC. I guess it's just the evil Democrats who want accountability and transparency. (Why is it automatically a bad thing for the FCC to be investigated?)

    14. Re:The best Congress money can buy by Monkey_Genius · · Score: 1

      So, if a plurality of the people in a given locality support a specific set of beliefs, it is perfectly acceptable for them to exercise those beliefs through government, which is made up of the people themselves, so long as they do not infringe on the rights of others to worship or not worship as they see fit.

      No, it is not acceptable for that to occur. Once a specific religious group controls the government -and expresses their belief system using the power of the government- then it becomes a state sanctioned religion. That is why the The Constitution provides for the separation of church and state. Not only to allow the free and unhindered expression of belief by citizens, but also the freedom from having another belief system forced upon them by elected government representatives who may have a differing belief system.

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    15. Re:The best Congress money can buy by CoolHnd30 · · Score: 1

      How is Tyler writing that 60 years later any evidence at all of what the framers intended? (I don't necessarily disagree with you, but I don't see that as valid evidence)

    16. Re:The best Congress money can buy by maestro371 · · Score: 1

      I believe the previous quote would imply, nay insist, that all religions are "state sanctioned". The constitution does not promote the abolishment of religion. Rather it insists on the freedom to worship as one chooses.

    17. Re:The best Congress money can buy by compro01 · · Score: 1

      go read the link sometime. it's anti-ron paul.

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    18. Re:The best Congress money can buy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You do realize that politics aren't necessarily Jesus or Marx?

    19. Re:The best Congress money can buy by CaptainNerdCave · · Score: 0

      Hey, Karl... one order for Communism with a side of Lenin!

    20. Re:The best Congress money can buy by elrous0 · · Score: 1
      The practical effect is the same in the end. Either way we get screwed. It's not like EITHER side is standing up for our rights or for the consumer. On one side, you've got a bunch of bible-thumpers wanting to tell you what to do, on the other side a bunch of politically-correct lefties wanting to tell you what to do. On one side you've got oil companies and mega-corps looking to fuck us over, on the other side you've got a bunch of trial lawyers and labor unions looking to fuck us over. One side sucks up to the South, the other side sucks up to Hollywood.

      And they ALL pander to our fears and hatreds. They ALL want hate videogames. And they are ALL in the pockets of the big corps, lobbyists, and anyone who can get them money or votes.

      Hillary Clinton, Mike Huckabee, Barak Obama, Mitt Romney, Rudy Gulliani, and John Edwards--power-hungry scumbags one and all.

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    21. Re:The best Congress money can buy by Fujisawa+Sensei · · Score: 1

      I know that it's become cliché to ask, but honestly, how are the Democrat candidates any better?

      Even though they say "Faith is important" they don't say faith in what. The religious-right on the other hand are quite specific in the serve Jesus or serve Satan definition of faith. While Democrats have actually elected 2 Buddhists to Congress.

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    22. Re:The best Congress money can buy by jdjbuffalo · · Score: 1

      As others have pointed out this is not a quote from one of the founders and your use of it is not a valid argument for the intentions of the founders. However, I agree with ideas of President Tyler.

      When it comes to religious expression, I believe that everyone has made mistakes on both sides (courts and religious fanatics). The Supreme Court for the most part has ruled pretty well along with what I would expect but they and especially lower courts have made mistakes.

      The Christian religious fanatics have tried to usurp the founders intentions by stating that they intended to create a Christian nation. Many have also tried to force their religious beliefs on others. On the other hand, you have the Atheists who have tried to excise religion from anything having to do with the government.

      I see both the Christians and the Atheists as going too far and not understanding the real intention laid out by the founders. The way it should be is that each is able to express their beliefs in their places of worship or not as they see fit. If they choose to take it out onto government property (owned by everyone) then they have to allow for similar displays by people of opposing religious views. So if we allow a copy of the Ten Commandments then we also have to allow for a similar display for Muslims, Hindu, Buddhists etc. Same goes for holidays. If people want to have a Christmas display on government land then expect others to put up a Kwanzaa, Hanukkah, Hajj, Yule display.

      Lastly, I believe it's also important for religion to be as separated from politics as possible. If you want to support and idea like Abortion is bad then that's fine but you shouldn't be able to say "vote for Huckabee". If you do this then you become a political support group and not a religious group and you're "congregation" should lose it's religious tax free status (I realize there are laws stating this but they don't seem to be enforced like they should).

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    23. Re:The best Congress money can buy by elrous0 · · Score: 1

      (Why is it automatically a bad thing for the FCC to be investigated?)

      Because of the timing. The FCC has recently handed down several consumer-friendly decisions that the telcoms fought tooth-and-nail (ending exclusive apartment franchise agreements, restricting traffic-shaping, etc.). It's pretty clear that this was the impetus behind this sudden decision of Congress to investigate the FCC. The telcoms have bought off Congress for decades, both Republican and Democrat, and they're flexing some of that muscle.

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    24. Re:The best Congress money can buy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Who said anything about total rejection of religion? Separation of Church and State does not prohibit personal beliefs. Creating Federal or State laws to enforce your own religious beliefs is what the champions of separation want.

      What the theocratic-leaning officials want are sins = breaking of federal law.

    25. Re:The best Congress money can buy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well gee, could it possibly be this entire work-up to having everything American be "Christian" to polarize everything. Hard to keep the masses clapping to the crusade without people agreeing what the sides are.

      What I really want to know is how people accept this generalization of "ISLAM == 9/11 TERROR" but ignore the fact that "MOSTLY SAUDI ARABIANS =='d 9/11 TERROR". Where did Afghanistan, Iraq, and Iran come in again?

  7. The news couldn't be more welcome ... by QuietLagoon · · Score: 4, Insightful
    The news couldn't be more welcome to the industries that the FCC regulates.'"

    I don't know about that. In a recent action, the FCC gave away the store to "the industries that the FCC regulates". In spite of overwhelming outcry from consumers, the FCC handed industry what they wanted.

    1. Re: The news couldn't be more welcome ... by show+me+altoids · · Score: 1

      Yeah, like Satellite radio...oh, wait, they don't regulate Satellite, they just want to, because they want more "donations" from the National Association of Broadcasters to further delay the XM/Sirius merger.

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  8. That's Great by zulater · · Score: 5, Funny

    One corrupt organization investigating another. What could possibly go wrong?

    1. Re:That's Great by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 1

      One corrupt organization investigating another. What could possibly go wrong? Well... at least it means the RIAA has to bribe more people. Take that, suckers!
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    2. Re:That's Great by rsborg · · Score: 1

      One corrupt organization investigating another. What could possibly go wrong?

      Welcome to Politics in the US.

      Sad but True.

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    3. Re:That's Great by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  9. Ads by MBCook · · Score: 5, Insightful

    That's good, but I'd like to see them work on fixing advertising. I'm of the opinion that we should go back to the old stance (80s or so?) that drugs shouldn't be able to be advertised on TV. I think that would help quite a bit with healthcare costs. But I'd also like them to investigate the ads we have now. I remember reading something in the last week or so that someone was pushing them to do that over the Lipitor ads with Dr. Robert Jarvik, the inventor of the artificial heart, testifying about how good Lipitor is.

    The problem is that he has never had a license to practice medicine in the US. He dropped out of a US medical school because of his grades and got his degree from a school outside this country. It's really questionable that he is qualified to talk about the drug.

    I wish they'd work on advertising. So much of it is so blatantly wrong. Just deal with a few of the worst offenders, and the rest will self-correct before they get investigated.

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    1. Re:Ads by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, Wikipedia says different, and it is sourced. It states that he has and MD from the University of Utah, but that he never interned or practiced medicine. He did enroll in medical school in Italy, because the US schools wouldn't admit him at the time, due to grades.

    2. Re:Ads by mea37 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I don't think Jarvik is any worse than any of the other direct-to-consumer drug spokesmen, some wearing lab coats and others not. I doubt Random Announcer Guy who narrates commercials for other cholesterol drugs is medically licensed.

      And what if Jarvik were licensed in the U.S.? He still wouldn't be speaking to an individual's case, and he'd still be shilling for the drug's maker. Those are the basic problems with all direct-to-consumer drug ads (which may say "your doctor will decide", but bury that where it will have relatively little impact). Doesn't really matter to me who the spokesperson is.

    3. Re:Ads by Arapahoe+Moe · · Score: 1

      It appears that most of your post is blatantly wrong. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Jarvik

      He isn't licensed to practice medicine though. Just not for the reasons you specify.

    4. Re:Ads by MBCook · · Score: 1

      OK. Like I said, it was what I read somewhere and vaguely remembered. One of your sibling posts calls him just as qualified as other talking head endorsers, and that's a big part of my problem. I'd like the drug ads back off the air.

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    5. Re:Ads by teslatug · · Score: 1

      I wish that they would force advertisers to put the words "advertisement" or something similar on the screen at all times. Sure some may be confusing (e.g. those "talk" show "infomertials") and it would help remove that confusion, but mainly I want it so there is a way to filter them out.

    6. Re:Ads by rfc11fan · · Score: 1

      I'm down for the advertising discussion, but I'm interested in a slightly different focus: Why are the ads in broadcasting always SO MUCH LOUDER than the program material they interrupt? Is that circumstance reasonable/acceptable?

      - tired of running the gain down and then up every time i encounter an ad

    7. Re:Ads by cats-paw · · Score: 0, Troll

      I'm going to boldly state that alcohol shouldn't be advertised either.
      It's a drug too, right ?

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    8. Re:Ads by AnomaliesAndrew · · Score: 1

      If by "self correcting", you mean "changing the law", then I agree :-)

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    9. Re:Ads by cats-paw · · Score: 1

      It was most certainly not a troll.

      Alcohol abuse is a seriously health issue and advertising it is doing much more harm thean good, or perhaps you've forgotten that distilled spirits can now be advertised ?

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  10. Let's connect the dots by faloi · · Score: 1

    A lot of members of congress get heft campaign donations from the entertainment industry. Particularly members from California. Comcast's traffic shaping is supposed to help their campaign contributors. Is it any wonder they'd be against the FCC on this one?

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  11. TFA says by pesho · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Well that's exactly what the article implies if you read it to the end. They are investigating FCC for not being corrupt enough: The cable operators are upset about the FCC's attempt to regulate their industry, along with the Commission's decision last year to nullify many of their exclusive contracts with apartment buildings. The telephone companies aren't thrilled about the FCC's 700MHz auction conditions (Verizon even sued), and everyone wants the FCC to keep away from their traffic monitoring and shaping practices. That would please the industries regulated by the FCC. Multichannel News reports that AT&T, Verizon, and Comcast all bashed the agency in a CES panel yesterday, with each group wanting to see major changes in the way that the FCC operates Perhaps the strongest criticism came from Verizon's Tom Tauke, who argued that the FCC just isn't set up to deal with the modern world. "The FCC is structured about broadcast, cable and telephone," he said. "That isn't the world we are live in, and it isn't the world we are going to. The FCC has to be overhauled for the Internet world."

    1. Re:TFA says by elrous0 · · Score: 2, Funny

      I love the way they try to portray the FCC's attempts to keep them from traffic shaping and strong-arming apartment dwellers as luddite thinking (as if exclusive apartment franchise agreements are somehow essential in the modern world, lol). Spin is a truly amazing thing to behold sometimes.

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    2. Re:TFA says by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      if the merits we advocate democracy as having are even close to true, this rhetoric will bite those same companies in the ass

  12. Should we be suprised? by Michael+Nathan · · Score: 1

    The bigger bribe always wins. And Congress gets all that wonderfully "legit" lobby money...

  13. Like most, not sure what to make of this by xoundmind · · Score: 1

    There are so many levels of evil and incompetence here to be pondered. What will this mean?

  14. Coincidence? by Avatar8 · · Score: 1
    Am I the only one suspecting that when Martin declared an investigation of Comcast's practices that someone at Comcast immediately called their pocket senator?


    That would explain Comcast's rate hikes - congressmen salaries and demands go up every six months, too.

  15. Wait a minute... by cruzerld · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Some of the things that the Congressmen are investigating in the article seem to be the only good things the FCC has done...

    1) Regulating the Cable industry (ok, that's a bad one if it falls under censorship. But they do have the power to force a la carte services, which would be a good thing for most people).
    2) Putting conditions on the 700Mhz auction (which is a good thing overall)
    3) Net neutrality (The FCC is actually for net neutrality, to the detriment of internet providers).

    So 2/3 are clearly meant to help consumers, and the other one could help consumers (although it is just as likely to harm us).

    So once again it looks like the industry paid off the right Congressmen to shake down a government commission just before it actually did something right.

    1. Re:Wait a minute... by Joseph+Hayes · · Score: 1

      1) Regulating the Cable industry (ok, that's a bad one if it falls under censorship. But they do have the power to force a la carte services, which would be a good thing for most people).

      The day I can get only the channels I want a la carte, will be a very very liberating day indeed. I don't even watch 80% of the channels I get. But I have to get the super digital ultra package to get the History, Discovery Channels, Science, and Military that I watch most of the time anyway. Oh,that'd piss off the wife though... Doh! ... So much for my liberty, the shackles are attached in several places it seems.

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    2. Re:Wait a minute... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You mean you're surprised?

      I am numb to what congress does or doesn't do. Nothing shocks me anymore. At most, I laugh at their escapades.

      As example: Having 1 Democratic member of Congress show up to the hill just to bang the gavel to keep it in session? I almost fell out of my chair laughing.... Then, snapping back to reality and realizing the ongoing failure that politics has become, I continued dying inside.

      Numb, people. Absolutely NUMB!!!!!!!!!!

    3. Re:Wait a minute... by txgunslinger · · Score: 1

      We don't need regulation, we need competition. If you had 4 or 5 cable companies in your area, they'd have to be competitive, so they would want to give you a good value and better services (for example: a la carte services).

      I have no argument for your second point since it does sound like a good idea to me.

      I'm not for or against net neutrality, but I believe that with the proper amount of competition that the ones who are attempting to act crazy will end up either changing or going out of business.

      2/3 of them are designed to help, but a lot of things designed to help end up doing more harm than good.

      Kudos to the poster that wanted to separate the physical medium and the actual service.

  16. Congress Investigates Chump Change by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


    while this thief with Congressional assistance robs the U.S. Federal Government.

    Russia and China are laughing AND waiting. They won't have to wait that long.

    Cheers.

  17. Let this be a lesson. by slcdb · · Score: 2, Funny

    Remember kids, these congress critters are the people that you and I, our familes, friends, and neighbors all elected.

    Unless you don't vote. In that case, feel free to bitch-slap the rest of us.

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    1. Re:Let this be a lesson. by lonesome_coder · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Remember kids, these congress critters are the people that you and I, our familes, friends, and neighbors all elected.

      Unless you don't vote. In that case, feel free to bitch-slap yourself for not voting . Fixed that for you.
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  18. Marx is real, so... by FatSean · · Score: 0, Troll

    Yeah. This country needs more socialism. Well, what it really needs to cut the military budget in half, and spend that money on things that actually help US citizens.

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    1. Re:Marx is real, so... by Beyond_GoodandEvil · · Score: 1

      Yeah. This country needs more socialism. Well, what it really needs to cut the military budget in half, and spend that money on things that actually help US citizens.
      You're right, remind me again how well Rome did after they outsourced their military, and bought all that bread and circuses stuff.

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    2. Re:Marx is real, so... by ScentCone · · Score: 1

      Well, what it really needs to cut the military budget in half, and spend that money on things that actually help US citizens.

      Presuming you can make a good case for simply not needing a ready, experienced military, and can find half of that budget to be simply unecessary, why would you presume that government spending and entitlements are the best way to use it? How about simply cutting taxes? Or are you saying that the Nancy Pelosi is better at appointing committee members to lead budget panels that are in turn better at deciding what to do with that "extra" money than the poeple who actually produce it? Since you obviously have a better plan for my earnings than I do, why aren't you just proposing the full realization of that perspective? Isn't a centrally controlled economy, with government assigned work and government assigned use of each other's money what you're really asking for? Don't be such a puss about it! Just come right out and say it: you think that most Americans are smart enought to work and produce things, but not as smart as the federal government - as populated by your preferred politicians - about what to do with it, and you think that sort of thinking is best done by those select few.

      Just say it! "It takes a village!" Come on! Say it! Loud as you can, "Candidate for change!" Louder! Doesn't matter that the "change" candidates won't and can't say what they actually want to change (other than punishing success more, and through the use of expensive-to-administer government agencies, redistribute the takings to those that best vote for the policy holders who promise to hurt the upper middle class the worst for having the audicity to work hard) - they just like to rant about vague change because that word polls well with people like you. You know, people who talk about "spending money on citizens" rather than "taking less money from them in the first place." Which of Harry Reid's or Nancy Pelosi's pet initiatives are you the most proud of, as they lean lefter with their preferences for taxing and spending? Baseball steroid investigations, perhaps? Staged sleep-over Senate sessions (with cots!) to insist on the passage of a bill that no president would ever sign, and for which they already know they have no workable majority? More theatrics like that are what you have in mind, in the expanded contest for the redistribution of productive people's output? All of the taxes I'll ever pay in my lifetime won't even come close to what Pelosi is spending to fly in people to testify about freakin' baseball. You want to spend more money on citizens? How about just ceasing to spend money on bad dinner theater productions like that?

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  19. your elected officals by mishelley · · Score: 3, Informative

    Committee on Energy and Commerce has a subcomittee for this:
    Subcommittee on Telecommunications and the Internet
    14 reublicans
    18 democrats
    1 vacancy
    and the chairman is a democrat
    You can see all their names and voting records http://energycommerce.house.gov/Subcommittees/telint.shtml Subcommittee on Telecommunications and the Internet

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    1. Re:your elected officals by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      fingerlicians
      tastycrats
      voter apathy party
      the Brain Slug party will be represented by the Bush family........

  20. Swap that, reverse it. by SoundGuyNoise · · Score: 1
    "The news couldn't be more welcome to the industries that the FCC regulates."

    Couldn't that also say "...the industries that regulate the FCC."?

    I can't be the only one thinking it.

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  21. But first... by Thaelon · · Score: 4, Informative

    What we first need to do is change the FCC so that it's not headed by appointed officials, but rather by elected representatives.

    The FCC's power has grown far beyond it's original intention (regulating airwaves frequencies in the U.S.). Apparently they only do things in response to complaints. Or at least that's how it once was. But the really fucked up thing is 99% of complaints come from one organization.

    So essentially this one single organization is responsible for most of the - detrimental in my opinion - changes to what is allowed to be broadcast or not.

    It's not the popular decision. People just think it is because this one fucked up organization has such broad powers and people just assume that it's the popular opinion. It is not.

    The organization responsible for all this? The Parent's Television Council. The sick thing is they're proud to be the nation's most influential advocacy organization yet have barely a million members. That's right one million up tight fucks are responsible for 99.8-99.9% of all FCC regulation that affects 303 million people.

    And the FCC allows it.

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    1. Re:But first... by kypper · · Score: 1

      So we start a Consumer's Television Council and complain about the FCC decisions made as a result of the Parent's Television Council. Slashdot alone would give it a nice healthy membership.

    2. Re:But first... by SirLurksAlot · · Score: 1

      What we first need to do is change the FCC so that it's not headed by appointed officials, but rather by elected representatives.

      That's an interesting idea, but I can see a big problem with it. As it stands now a large portion of the population does not make educated decisions on other major issues (Social Security, abortion, immigration, etc), so how can we expect them to make educated voting decisions regarding technology and communications? As technical individuals we've all seen what comes from talking about technical topics with non-technical individuals; most people simply don't know enough about technology to have an opinion regarding the matter, or even worse, they simply don't care until it affects them directly. Ma and Pa Kettle are probably still using a 56k dial-up connection, and could care less whether or not Time Warner or Verizon might have a monopoly in their area. For that plan to work there would need to be a massive campaign to educate voters on technology and communication and how they affect their daily lives.

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    3. Re:But first... by Red+Flayer · · Score: 2, Funny

      The FCC's power has grown far beyond it's original intention (regulating airwaves frequencies in the U.S.). Apparently they only do things in response to complaints. Or at least that's how it once was. But the really fucked up thing is 99% of complaints come from one organization.
      So let's start a drive to file complaints with the FCC that we don't hear enough profanity during dinnertime, and that we don't see enough T&A over the breakfast table during the morning news.

      Maybe if we get enough complaints in, they'll have to take action to force the networks to comply with our demands.
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    4. Re:But first... by aeschenkarnos · · Score: 1
      Well, as with all problems, there is an engineering solution.

      Stage One:

      1. Devise a means of obtaining TV schedules.

      2. Set up a website (hosted offshore) to which people may contribute list of offensive activities, and wording for letters into which these activities can be inserted, eg: "indecently exposed bare flesh", "displayed inappropriate sexual conduct", "disregarded the holy bonds of matrimony"; "I wish to report", "Please consider viewing", "the conduct displayed therein". Initially populate this with public record examples from PTC complaints.

      3. Establish a voting system for wordings, so that people who visit the website can vote up or down particular wordings, the idea being to generate letters that will at least meet the writing skills of PTC members.

      4. Randomly generate complaint letters: "Dear Sirs, I wish to draw your attention to the fact that on July 12, 2007 at 4:30am, actors on the program Better Gardening with Uncle Ralphie on the channel WTFTV based out of Bunghole, Texas, indecently exposed bare flesh. My 13 year old daughter Szanett was watching the program and I feel entitled to ask you to view the footage and, if you agree with me and the words of Our Lord that the conduct displayed therein is not suitable for a 13 year old to see, kindly prosecute these foul-minded sinners to the fullest extent American law allows and then some." Show the program description so that the user can decide if the complaint meets at least minimal standards of plausibility.

      5. Produce these letters in an easily-printed form, with somewhat randomized font and layout. Ask visitors to the website to print and mail the letters.

      That is, randomly generate spurious complaints. For names and addresses, scrape the phone directory (or better yet, a directory of the Parent's Television Council and members of the Republican Party - although there'd be a lot of overlap there) for addresses and names, and randomly generate variations such that the addresses are real, the surname is real, the combination of address and surname does not match an entry in the database, and the initials and title are randomly generated.

      Stage Two:

      The FCC responds. Obviously they declare pranking them illegal, but it's going to be awfully difficult for them to distinguish genuine (although insane) complaints from PTC members from pranks. They could start checking on the veracity of complaint letters, which costs them money and slows the process down and inevitably will lead to PTC-member-generated vexatious complaints being lost and unverified; and/or they start ignoring small numbers of complaints about programs, which is a good partial victory, but the website process can be modified to produce sets of letters to get them to repeatedly raise their minimum number to the point where it actually might be reasonable to act; and/or they come to some formal arrangement with the PTC, which citizens can protest.

    5. Re:But first... by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

      That's right one million up tight fucks are responsible for 99.8-99.9% of all FCC regulation that affects 303 million people [census.gov].

      "The World is Run by People Who Show Up" - recently seen bumper sticker.

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    6. Re:But first... by jafac · · Score: 1

      Hey dumbass, "uptight" is one word.

      You seem to make mistakes like that alot.

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    7. Re:But first... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The problem with this approach, is you give the FCC too much credit. Too many of them are far far too stupid for their own good. They have trouble understanding what an email spoof is, much less all these "authentic" typed letters (to quote actual helpdesk conversations: " but how could someone else send it, it says I sent it and I know I did not send it to myself"). It would probably take 10 years for them to figure out that the spoofed letters were not real. In the meantime, they would regulate the hell out of what could be viewed. The PTC woud mark it as a victory and the dominionists and other nutjobs in congress would see it as justification to making the US a religious state. Do not underestimate the power of stupidity and people looking for justification of their self-perceived righteousness.

      I-Beer

  22. Hun? by Dan667 · · Score: 1

    Anyone care to let the rest of us know if this is good or bad for us pee-ons? I like to cheer with the crowd.

    1. Re:Hun? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No. By not caring enough to look into it yourself, you are not only bending over, you're handing them the tube of lube.

    2. Re:Hun? by Dan667 · · Score: 1

      Funny, this from an anon coward. Way to stand up and be counted.

  23. you are uneducated! by p51d007 · · Score: 2, Informative

    Obviously you are a government educated moron. This county (USA) has NEVER been a democracy. If you think it is, that is the problem with idiots like you. Look up the word representative republic. [Quote] Some day, I hope that democracy starts working again...let's see if this is a start?

    1. Re:you are uneducated! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Obviously, you are a home schooled pedant. No country in the history of civilization (including ancient Greece) has ever been a pure democracy. Any meaningful usage of the term must be much looser than your anal-retentive definition would allow.

      If the USA is not a democracy at all, then why does the President go around saying how great democracy is and how he's working to spread democracy throughout the Middle East?

    2. Re:you are uneducated! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because he's a moron

    3. Re:you are uneducated! by giminy · · Score: 1

      Look up the word representative republic.

      I did, and the definition started with,
      "A representative republic is a form of democracy..."

      Nice troll, though :).

      Reid.out

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    4. Re:you are uneducated! by STrinity · · Score: 1

      No, yer a fish, dude.

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    5. Re:you are uneducated! by belmolis · · Score: 1

      You might want to look up the definition of democracy before calling others morons. In fact, you're wrong. The US is a democracy. It is not a direct democracy, but representative systems fall within the definition of democracy. For starters, try this explanation. Here's a definition by the US State Department. And here is the Wikipedia article. All of these sources include representative systems as a subtype of democracy.

      By the way, "representative republic" is not a word; it's a phrase. You might want to learn a bit about grammar along with improving your vocabulary.

    6. Re:you are uneducated! by atraintocry · · Score: 1

      The word democracy can refer to more than a direct vote. Having representatives does not mean you can't call it a democracy. BTW, the United States is a country, not a county.

    7. Re:you are uneducated! by jc42 · · Score: 1

      By the way, "representative republic" is not a word; it's a phrase.

      Heh; that's tellin' 'em. ;-)

      Some of my favorite grammar naziisms fall into this class. Thus, among linguists, one of the all-time favorite pop-ling tropes is "Language X has no word for Y". A while back, I ran across a claim that some language (I forget which one, but it doesn't matter) "has no word for free speech". My immediate reaction was "Neither does English; that's why we use two words." But I don't think that the author of the original claim appreciated my pointing this out.

      Of course, this one was merely a paraphrase of Ronald Reagan's claim that Russian has no word for 'freedom', to which my immediate reaction was "Huh? What about 'svoboda'?" I also suspect that RR might not have thanked me if I'd been able to ask him that in person.

      (And I often wish that slashdot allowed UTF-8 so I could spell Russian words correctly. ;-)

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  24. It's about time by dtjohnson · · Score: 1

    The FCC sits on a honeypot of hundreds of billions of dollars overseen by 5 politically-appointed commissioners with no review of what they decide. Even a saint would be tempted by all of that money, and those commissioners don't look very saintly. A cynic might say that congress just wants to be sure that it's getting their cut of the action but perhaps that's wrong. Maybe consumers will see some improvements with more oversight of the FCC like wi-fi standards that are shaped by consumers rather than a couple of manufacturers, cell phones with features comparable to what the rest of the world already has, more and better hdtv broadcasts, and less-concentrated ownership of the broadcast media.

  25. Investigations are not really about corruption by Bored+MPA · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Congressional investigations are about agenda setting, political capital (getting more people on board), and/or chicken.

    1) Congress can elevate issues of policy/culture into the media when conducting an "investigation." Whether about steroids or blowjobs or whether the family network can have an a la carte anti-abortion show.

    2) Senators and Reps can get an ass-ton of sound bites out to interested parties--citizens, corporations, and their monied representatives (lobbyists, family groups, net neutrality folks). In this case you can get your message out to a VERY diverse set of groups...from family issues to tech issues, without pissing either group off. Goldmine.

    3) Chicken. Ohhhh chicken, how I love the: "Dear corporation, if you don't a) give us more money or b) clean up your act, we will be forced to pwn you." That is not an exaggeration when it comes to regulatory action. The gov't can and does wield immense power over corporations through taking control of processes--and it is a simple risk analysis for a corp to decide whether or not to change behavior or play fast and loose. After all, the longer it takes for congress to act, the more profit you can make.

    Examples of the tit for tat:
    Industry blinks: Movie Ratings, Health Care reform (portions of clinton's 90s playbook was used by the medical industry), Big Pharma advertising on TV about free medicine for poor people (avoiding price controls).

    Industry runs congress over: Ummm, automakers, tobacco

    Congress runs em over: safety, but mainly because competitive industry players actually want gov't regulation on product safety issues.

    Congress blinks: MPG standards (we could have been at 50 mpg in 2000-2002, according to the auto industry), anything involving financial services

    Note that congress never "wins," they just change the rules of the game by cutting off a profit option and their actions are rarely draconian because many of them are concerned about jobs lost in their state.

  26. FCC to investigate Congress by BrentRJones · · Score: 1

    What is fair is fair.

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  27. Preamble to the New Constitution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    If anything, this is a start to a goverment for the corporations.

    We the corporations of the United States, in Order to form a more profitable Union, establish Monopolies, insure domestic subservience of our customers, provide for the golden parachutes of our executive officers, subdue the General Workforce, and secure for our Boards of Directors the maximum Prosperity, do ordain and establish this the new effective Constitution for the United States of America.

  28. Chain Chain Chain / Chain of FOOLS! by StCredZero · · Score: 1

    Congress investigates the FCC, which is investigating Comcast, who are investigating some Bittorrent filesharers...

    Where does the madness end!?

    1. Re:Chain Chain Chain / Chain of FOOLS! by Lord+Flipper · · Score: 1

      Where does the madness end!?

      Maybe when BitTorrent starts coming down on the guys with the crappy sample rates... They could start there, er, end there, or something

  29. Who said 'outsource'? by FatSean · · Score: 0, Troll

    We cut the budget in half, and cut the military in half. Keep it all Made in America.

    I wasn't aware the the USA's economy depended on constant acquisition of new lands and resources as Rome's did.

    If we stop being such hypocritical aggressive douchebags, we won't need this huge stick. Having the huge army around just means people are going to want to use it even if it is not needed. See: Iraq.

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    1. Re:Who said 'outsource'? by ScentCone · · Score: 1

      I wasn't aware the the USA's economy depended on constant acquisition of new lands and resources as Rome's did.

      It doesn't, and neither did theirs. A thriving economy depends on stability, and an atmosphere in which someone can consider their vote, or the pouring of their life savings into starting an economy-boosting business, to not be at the mercy of neighboring dictators that hand cash to medieval-minded religious terrorists or worse. An economic landscape in which it's possible for poorer people to actually grow their way out of poverty depends on the rule of constitutional law, and the awareness that what they set themselves to building isn't going to be grabbed and nationalized (or simply rubbed out) by that week's Hugo Chavez, or the fine fellows that are busy raping villages into non-existance in Darfur. You want prosperity? Make it harder for people who would rather kill than tolerate the the open communication, personal liberty, and routinely elected officials necessary for it to screw with it. Take away their supply chains. Prevent them from setting up shop in places like Pakistan after taking away their playground in Afghanistan. Prevent them from doing in Iraq what they've done in Sudan. Encourage the sort of transformation we're seeing in Lybia (largely a result of taking care of Saddam), and don't walk away from the border facing North Korea. Don't tell Taiwan that we don't have the cash this week to prevent their immediate assimilation by the Borg across the water on the mainland.

      Having the huge army around just means people are going to want to use it even if it is not needed. See: Iraq.

      Is that like having a well-equipped fire department? Just start some fires so they can be used? Is that really how you see a ready military? Are you saying that you personally could not resist deploying them because of their size and capabilities? Are is it that only you personally are wise enough not to, and the rest of the country is just too inferior, mentally?

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    2. Re:Who said 'outsource'? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Huge? Really? In relation to what? Certainly not 15 years ago. I guess you are trying to say that you feel that the current military force is larger than what is necessary to meet current and future threats to the nation. Can you tell me what actual data your opinion may be based upon? Can you even tell me what the ratio of US boots on the ground should be versus those of the enemey according to US Military doctrine?

      Perhaps you may want to look at a bit of history and how military drawdowns have always left us underprepared for future conflicts and how we have had to play "catch up" - costing lives. I'll give you a hint. After we redicovered this mistake in WWII the US decided to always have a force large enough to fight a war on two fronts. Regardless of your moral opinons, given the current atmosphere do you feel we have remained faithful to that? How has that impacted our ability to wage war in the past few years?

    3. Re:Who said 'outsource'? by FatSean · · Score: 1

      We don't need a standing army this size, and I surely don't trust the military self-serving 'research' on the matter. Maybe we should poll the poor to find out how much welfare money they really need. We can make up the slack with conscription and rationing, as we did in World War 2. I don't see that is a bad thing playing 'catch up' because I don't want to live in a constant state of near-war. We could always make serving in the National Guard mandatory if we don't want to start from zero should more manpower be needed. It might help keep fat-ass Americans a bit more healthy if they had to spend a weekend a month training.

      The US doctrine stated we would need three times the current number of soldiers to handle Iraq. We should have had a draft to make up those numbers, but the war-mongerers in government knew that asking that sacrifice would cause Americans to peer a bit more closely at the shaky reasons for war. So we went in with a third of the number is soldiers, and pissed away money of mercenary scum to try to shore up the numbers. They never did hit the target, even with the 'surge'.

      We knew Iraq wasn't a real threat to the US back in 2002. You seem to be arguing from a place where you actually believed Saddam was acquiring yellow cake, no wait, WMDs, no wait...alquieda links...no wait...we gotta stop the genocide...ah whatever.

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    4. Re:Who said 'outsource'? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I would love to agree with your opinion that we don't need a standing army of this size but I still fail to see you providing any risk analysis data to back this up.

      Perhaps you don't mind playing catch up because you know that you would never volunteer to throw on a uniform? While I find your conscription and mandatory draft ideas interesting given that this is slashdot both are bad ideas. I have actually served in the military (both active duty and National Guard). I would never want to serve with someone who was not a volunteer. We learned that lesson a long time ago. Based upon my experience with the National Guard I would rather go to war with the Cub Scouts.

      I love the broad strokes but no data and/or experience to back up my viewpoint approach you are taking. Do you know any of the mercenary scum as you label them or you just reading sensationalist news reports?

      Nope, again your broad strokes have missed the mark. I do not believe that Saddam ever had WMD's etc. I just wish people like you would either come up with some credible solutions or quit your tinfoil hat bitching and leave the rest of us alone while we try to actually work on the problem.

  30. Re:Cash Cow Concerns, do not confuse .... by OldHawk777 · · Score: 1

    Corporatism is not Capitalism; anymore than, Plutocracy is Democracy,
    but in the USA ... confusion abounds, because all words can be defined
    in a politically correct manor turning lies to pseudo-truth, faux-truth
    to reality, and prophet-profits into gods. Example: GBA stands for
    "God Bless America" and was used to make GBA stand for
    "George Bush's American".

    !HAVEFUN!

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  31. Ba-dum-bum! by Chas · · Score: 1

    That sure didn't take long.

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  32. Did the summary writer read the article? by Tired+and+Emotional · · Score: 2, Informative
    I think not.

    The article says Congress is investigating the FCC for being too close to the industries they are regulating, giving them an inside track to getting favorable decisions.

    It goes on to say that the companies are pissed off because of the decisions they do make. What that demonstrates is that the companies would like even more influence over the decisions the FCC takes. It does not mean that Congress is investigating the FCC to make it so.

    If the article is to be believed, Congress wants to make it harder for the companies to manipulate the FCC, not easier. If so, the companies will not be rejoicing over Congress's actions.

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    1. Re:Did the summary writer read the article? by civilizedINTENSITY · · Score: 2, Informative

      You seem to be the only one who read the same article I did. The problem to be addressed is one of transparancy and fairness.

    2. Re:Did the summary writer read the article? by peektwice · · Score: 1

      Not to make a "me-too" post, but I totally agree. The summary (I didn't RTFA) seemed to imply that the industries that the FCC regulates welcome the congressional oversight. Therefore, big T will be a little upset that their motives will be scrutinized more closely.

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    3. Re:Did the summary writer read the article? by peektwice · · Score: 1

      Damn, I didn't proof-read. My points don't connect... I need lots of rum.
      However, I still agree with the parent post. Telecom, at least, will not be delighted.

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  33. BRING BACK USURY LAWS! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The root of the problem is usury. A small group of criminals have purposely given too many people that can't handle it too much credit. This is equivalent to youths tricking a retarded girl into having sex with them and should be punished accordingly.

    There's a reason why usury has been illegal for most of recorded history and every major religious text forbids usury.

  34. Payments brought up to date by MarkGriz · · Score: 1

    Guess the payments have been brought up to date.

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  35. Change by DavidTC · · Score: 1

    I have a simple way of dealing with change doesn't require change machines: I keep a big pile of it in my car. Before I go anywhere, I make sure I have at least four pennies, and preferably three quarters also, in my pocket. And then I actually use the change.

    The trick is to keep from having nickels and dimes (And spending a lot of time annoying others in line as you use them.) is to use vending machines as reverse change machines. Walk up to them, dump in five nickels, pull the change return and get back a quarter. The vending machine people don't mind, it's all sorted automatically for practically nothing when it gets back to them. If it's a 65 cents machine or something, they actually need nickels and dimes, as almost everyone people comes up and stick in three quarters or a dollar. The refill guys have to load in dimes and nickels. (Some very old vending machines do not do this, they give you back the exact coins you put in, but even ones built in the early 90s just keep a running tab and know you put in '25 cents', not 'two dimes and nickel'.)

    All this sounds like a lot of work, but it's honestly just a tiny amount of planning ahead plus a tiny amount of time at vending machines occasionally. (I'm sure you walk past a vending machine once a month.)

    Once you set it up, you just grab three quarters and four pennies when you pick up your cellphone on the way out of the car. You go into Taco Bell with change, and walk out with less change, instead of having no change and always walking out with change. You don't have to pay a stupid fee to turn unusable money into usable money, nor do you have to annoy other in line by paying in tiny change. You just set it up where you spend the change, which means starting with change.

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    1. Re:Change by Khaed · · Score: 1

      I do this, but I don't avoid nickels and dimes the way you do.

      However, since my bank doesn't charge anything for debit usage, anything more than $5 or whatever the store minimum is, I buy that way. No change there. I only end up with change from smaller purchases. The way my bank works, the only way I really ever have a fee is if I overdraw. So I don't do that.

  36. Ha ha ha ha. Ha! by blueZ3 · · Score: 1

    Oh dear. You've got me laughing so hard I had tears. You utopians are always good for a laugh, at least.

    Our current economy is regulated by Federal, State, and local governments. And the majority of business activity in the United States isn't from the mega-corporations you're bemoaning, but by small businesses. In 2007, small firms employed over half of the private sector work force and generated well more than half of GDP.

    The current solution (a moderately regulated capitalist system) isn't perfect, but it almost certainly is the "least bad" solution currently available. We've got problems on both sides--too much regulation (ever tried jumping through the hoops to start a business?) and too little (the sub-prime mortgage crisis) but I'm not buying either a centrally planned economy (which is what your post seems to advocate) or total anarchy.

    Countries with heavily regulated economies: Soviet Russia, Zimbabwe, Myanmar/Burma... No thanks.

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  37. Cognative dissonance by Tony · · Score: 1

    ...as they lean lefter with their preferences for taxing and spending?

    I like how this gets all thrown around, as if the Dems outspend the Repubs, and out-tax, too.

    Although I agree we could certainly cut down the theatrics, they are hardly expensive. "Expensive" is the formation of the Department of Homeland Security, with no real study into whether or not a new department would be effective or not. (It doesn't seem to be.) "Expensive" is spending 3 times the rest of the world combined on military. (*Not* on defense, as we've moved passed defensiveness and into aggression over the last decade.) "Expensive" is a war that is quickly approaching $500,000,000,000 direct cost, with a cost to our economy that is only now being seen. (Seems we are likely entering into a recession.)

    As for change, if you bother following up on certain candidates (say, Obama), you'd realize what they intend to change. Obama states he intends to reverse the erosion of civil liberty. He intends to stay in Iraq for now, with the philosophy of, "You broke it, you bought it," but intends to take a different, less aggressive approach. Try reading what the candidates *actually* say, and you'll see what they intend to change. It's not just a vague word. Most of them have concrete plans that you can read and evaluate yourself.

    When you talk about re-prioritizing the budget, *any* budget, you don't just slice out the stuff that costs a nickel. You look at the stuff that is really costing you. Can't live on your budget? Cut out the big things. Can't afford that new $250k house? Time to sell it and move into a $100k house. Can't afford to eat out every night? Try cooking at home, on a budget.

    Or, you try to increase your income.

    Those are your choices. "Tax and spend" means "increase your income." "Balancing the budget" (a term I haven't heard in 7 years) means cutting down your expenses.

    What the current administration is doing is this: they are spending as if their credit will go on forever. It's like being on a $30k/year job, but spending as if you were on a $100k/year job by using your credit cards. You can't go on like that forever, and when it catches up to you, you are *so* fucked. And it always catches up to you.

    Complaining about the cost of the baseball inquiries when we're in a $275M/day senseless war is like complaining because your spouse bought a $.25 chocolate at the checkout stand. In the long run, though it does cost money, it's nothing compared to that $1250/mo mortgage.

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    1. Re:Cognative dissonance by ScentCone · · Score: 1

      Complaining about the cost of the baseball inquiries when we're in a $275M/day senseless war

      My point is that since the congress has discovered that they can't actually change the need for what the troops are doing on the ground by threatening to defund them, and the congressional leadership got where it is by stamping its feet over that very issue and proclaiming democracy and any sort of stability in Iraq as lost beyond hope, they're in a bind. And they're resorting to astonishingly sophomoric displays of domestic hand wringing (over things like baseball) in a vain attempt to get people to look the other way and not notice that they were either: 1) lying, or 2) clueless.

      What the current administration is doing is this: they are spending as if their credit will go on forever

      No, that's congress. The administration cannot spend anything that the congress doesn't approve and provide. There is no budget with congress approving it.

      Although I agree we could certainly cut down the theatrics, they are hardly expensive.

      I believe they've proven to be very expensive to the dem leadership, credibility-wise. There's a reason the administration's luke-warm approval rating is twice that of the people running the congress.

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    2. Re:Cognative dissonance by Tony · · Score: 1

      Well, it's not twice the approval rating. It's a couple of percentage points above the Republican congresscritters, and a few points below the Democrat congresscritters.

      But I get your point. And I agree.

      I'm glad the "cost" you recognize is their effectiveness in actually doing something, rather than actual dollar amounts. That raises the discussion to a whole new level.

      A level which, I'm afraid, a slashdot thread isn't sufficient. I wish we had a better, longer-lived, better-organized forum for addressing issues like this.

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  38. Re:But first... WRITE YOUR OPINIONS DOWN by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just so you know, those complaints they get are in an electronic format that the FCC never really paid attention to. I used to work their HelpDesk as a contractor and I have been asked many many times if there was a way to "auto delete all the junk from the 'emailbombs' they got", refering to automated emails generated by people inputting their names into a form on a website. This came from several important people there (not from the execs, they have their own support guy).

    If you want to get through to the FCC or any other goverment branch, take the time to HANDWRITE a letter to send them. They pay attention to that. The FCC, your congressman, even the president will pay more attention to a handwritten letter before they pay attention to 1,000 printed or 1,000,000 emailed ones.

    But don't stop there, if you think a congressman or senator is doing something wrong or right, HANDWRITE a letter to him saying it. It does not matter is you are in his district or not. You are in someone's district and if you are taking the time to write to one, you are probably taking the time to write to another.

    You want the world to know you are awake to whats going on? TELL THEM!!!!!

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    Don't blame me for all the years
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  39. The One Sure Way by kilodelta · · Score: 3, Informative

    The one certain way of telling that the FCC is doing its job protecting consumer interests is when Congress gets involved. I do want to see more about the abuse of FUSF funds though because with all the money we've paid into that system we should have 21st century phone and net access EVERYWHERE!

  40. A note about content regulation by Immerial · · Score: 1

    The FCC should get out of regulation of content. This way the Parents Television Council complaints go to the broadcasters instead of the government. Complaints of improper use of a frequency range, communication disruptions, broadcasting power, etc.- sure but content- nope, nadda, zip. I like how the PTC say that it is okay for the 'public good' and children could be watching at anytime- so what, it's a thing called parenting.

  41. That's interesting. by FatSean · · Score: 1

    Your description of a 'thriving economy' is nothing like they had in Roman times. Your regurgitation talking points is interesting, but not really germain to the discussion. I'm not sure exactly how the USA-Rome comparison is supposed to be defended here...

    If the US army was half the size, Bush would have been unable to invade Iraq without a draft and rationing. Faced with a draft and rationing, enough Americans would have realized that the cause for war was crap, and withdrawn support. We would have avoided an unethical war of choice.

    We need a small army, backed up by conscription. You know, how we won WW2?

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    1. Re:That's interesting. by Beyond_GoodandEvil · · Score: 1


      We need a small army, backed up by conscription. You know, how we won WW2?

      By allowing Germany to fight a two front war, and the Soviets to sacrifice 20 million of their citizens? Good plan we'll get right on that. Your love of conscription speaks of that old anti-war naivete, that if only war were truly horrific enough nobody would start one. For a correction to this belief, please see the sentiments expressed after the invention of the following items: crossbow, rifled guns, machine guns, and of course everybodies favorite nuclear weapons.

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  42. is this a joke? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You seriously just advocated handing over the datalines to the government. Like, more than they already have from the backalley NSA deals.

    you're out of your fucking mind.

    1. Re:is this a joke? by p0tat03 · · Score: 1

      Is it really any worse than the status quo? At least in this way we'll get some reasonable rates and universal broadband access (the lack of which will increasingly handicap an individual in this society). It's not as if the NSA can't tap your phone as it is, despite them being owned by private enterprise!

      I say let private companies run the networks. Charge them to use the network based on subscriber volume, and allow people who maintain or expand the network to apply their expenses towards deferral of these fees. This gives companies incentives to help build the network, instead of leaving the whole thing to the government. It also gives the little guys room to compete - anyone with the money to pay for network access can compete with even the largest providers. In Canada we have mandatory government-regulated wholesale of DSL lines as an anti-monopoly measure. It works beautifully. I'm with an ISP that has great customer service, great prices, and all of the niceties of free competition. We need this in the cable, telephone, and mobile markets.

  43. FCC and Congress equally corrupt by ncstockguy · · Score: 1

    There will be no real change in Washington until citizens demand a chance in the way we finance elections. Our system is currently institutionalized bribery. So only special interests, multinational corporations, labor unions, tax attorneys, auto makers, and oil and insurance and drug companies are really running the country.
    The FCC is simply acting in its own way like congress does, favoring the biggest corporations at the expense of the taxpayers and smaller competing business firms.
    An investigation by congress of the FCC would be welcome. But it is only window dressing.
    We have the best government money can buy and all that implies.
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