Speaking as a musician/producer, who once saw BeOS'ed demoed at a computer/tech show about 7 years ago, and has never forgotten it....
FUCK YES!!!!!!!
That demo did stuff which my current system still couldn't dream of doing (and being 7 years ago, the specs of the hardware cant have been up to much).
For people in my world, BeOS never amounting to anything is one of the greatest tragedies, imho.
Way to get +5 insightful despite not displaying the slightest evidence of what the article is about.
It's Internet2 - not Internet1. Thus, it is not aimed at consumers.
Perhaps I'll say that again - not aimed at consumers.
Thus, that point about Netflix - irrelevant.
Online gaming - irrelevant.
Videoconferencing - irrelevant.
Providers, markets... - irrelevant.
"Consumer attention" - irrelevant.
Internet2 is a RESEARCH network for scientists and academics. Stuff like CERN (nuclear / atomic physics data), which actually DOES need this sort of bandwidth.
I mean, you have a decent enough point were this article ever remotely talking about creating these bandwidths for the resale-to-consumers market. But it's not.
(And for those who will come along shortly and say "we shouldn't laugh at this or encourage this because it will make them think Linux users are law-breaking hackers"... well, I'm not a Linux user, so I don't really care;) )
- part of a World Heritage Site
- voted the UK's favourite building
- Bill Bryson: "the best Cathedral on planet earth"
I dont think anyone can appreciate truly awe-inspiring buildings like this, or York Minster, or the Cathedral in Strasbourg, etc, really are, without visiting them. I'm an atheist but I feel blessed to live in a continent with these wonderous beauties:D
Speak for yourself! How does this get modded 5 as if its gospel fact, when its really just your tiny personal reality?
My nearest Blockbuster is about 12 miles away. Now, I have no real idea what distance a typical "block" (eh?) might represent, but I'm guessing we're talking a few thousand of them.
While I'm at it, I'd also pay for commercial free TV.
Move to England:)
Every time the BBC/TV license gets mentioned on/. it's usually followed by dozens of (frankly rather cretinous) American's spouting off that it's "socialist" or otherwise evil. I'm glad to see that somebody gets it.
Oh, and bad form to reply to my own post, but that really has annoyed me quite a lot.
How dare you question whether I love music? I've been making it for about 18 years so far and never yet earned any money from it. Sure, I've been paid - but set against the money I've spent on instruments, tuition, equipment, travel, rehearshal room hire, etc, etc, I can guarantee that overall, I've subsidised my music making heavily from my own pocket.
For the past four and half years I've been in a semi-professional band called keirestu. We get paid up to £800 for an hours set. Cushy money? Well, no. There are ten of us, so if we were to split it, that's £80 each. But we don't split it - we can't afford to. Every penny goes back into the band fund to keep the show on the road. We tour with pushing £20,000 worth of kit. Every gig we play in London costs us about £450 in travel costs alone, and last gig in London we were paid £15. YES, FIFTEEN POUND. In other words, we subsidised the missing £435 FROM OUR OWN POCKETS.
So, once again, how dare you?
Now, we happen to think we're pretty damn good. That's why keep on doing it. Plenty of other people think we're pretty damn good, too.;)
But let me tell you. After this many years trying to do the band in our spare time, outside a convential 40-hour working week, it's getting harder and harder. It won't last forever... Unless we can turn pro, sooner or later one or more of us will have to call it a day, the band will split and that'll be that. No more music from us. Ever.
Now, if you happen to be one of the thousands of people who have enjoyed our gigs or CDs over the past few years, you'll probably think that's quite a shame. Because we haven't even made 1% of the music we have in us, yet - quantity OR quality. If we could earn a living from this band, we could practice, songwrite and record material EVERY DAY -- as opposed to our current situation, with 10 people juggling different jobs and fitting the band in whenever they can blag a few days off work -- which has given us the mighty total of three practice/songwriting sessions in the last year.
Er... if you're going to reply to my posts, please do me the courtesy of reading them.
Now you can say "real musicians will continue to make music for the love of it, even if they're not getting paid" all you like. You'd be right. They will.
First, let me say I agree with your key point (unintended consequences) absolutely. It's one of the things that fascinates me most about the internet. What strikes me very clearly is how undeniably Marxist the whole thing is. Now, I know most people tend towards ill-informed knee-jerks at the mention of Marx, but try and forget all that silly Soviet nonsense, which really had precious little to do with Marx at all, and essentially nothing to do with the Marx I'm talking about.
In short (because I should be in bed already):
Changes in the means of production (ie. technological advances, eg. the internet) will alter the relations of production and eventually have a "cascade effect" which radically alters society itself (eg. notions of intellectual property).
But, that's not really what I wanted to pick up. Rather, I'm curious as to how a music distribution that "no one" can make money off can possibly be considered "infinitely superior".
I'm not trying to troll, I dont think P2P is theft, blah blah. Hell, I use P2P myself - yes, to download music. Yes, to download music which I'm not supposed to.
On the other hand, as a musician, there has to be money in there somewhere, or the consequences are potentially dire. Now you can say "real musicians will continue to make music for the love of it, even if they're not getting paid" all you like. You'd be right. They will.
But.... lets just say, I spent five years making music while a student/unemployed. In that time I consistently averaged one track every two weeks. Eleven months ago I got a full-time temping job; since then I've made five tracks in total. Three months ago I got a full-time "proper" job; since then I've made absolutely nothing.
It's simply a matter of time and energy. If you can earn money from your music, you can devote all your time to it. If you can't, you're faced with trying to come up with some meaningful in two or three snatched hours after work, with a head full of stress and that 7am alarm clock lurking at the back of your mind.
If nobody makes money from music, less music gets made. Sad but true.
Stop supporting and harboring terrorists who attack the US and US citizens abroad and we'll consider it. Until then the US will do what we belive is right to preserve OUR safety. If you would take care of your own back yard we wouldn't need to
Is that you, Dubya?
It certainly seems like it, as you're not even remotely addressing my argument, just throwing out vague and unrelated scaremongering featuring the word "terrorist". I never even mentioned terrorists! Just like Bush himself, the previous point of logic goes either misunderstood, or deliberately ignored, and instead you leap straight off with a total non-sequiteur: ".... but, ooh look - terrorists! Must ensure safety against terrorists! You do want to be safe from terrorists, don't you?"
My post did NOT say that The War Against Terror was a bad thing. (Unsurprising, really, given that I did not mention terror, terrorists or terrorism at all. You might notice that "terrorists" were not used as justification for American interventions in Cuba, South/Central America, Vietnam or Korea.)
I was talking about regime change.
Furthermore, if you read REALLY closely (given that you didnt read my post AT ALL the first time, I suspect I'm wasting my time expecting you to rise to such a nuanced level of reading comprehension, but still) you'll notice I didnt even say the US habit of interventionist regime change was a bad thing.
I just said it was inconsistent with the continued argument that the US election is 'none of [insert foreign group] business'.
In other words:
If choosing your leaders is none of our business, then choosing Iraq's leader, or Chile's leader, or whatever, is none of YOUR business.
If on the other hand it's perfectly alright for you to use lethal force, kill civilians and destroy infrastructure at will, in order to get a leader you're happy with, it seems a bit rich to tell people they're not even allowed to merely VOICE THEIR OPINION on your election.
The point is, since the rest of the world has been casually expressing their opinions on the US election, American's seem suddenly very keen on the sacred principle that foreigners shouldnt interfere in the choice of governments.
Which is very curious for a country that has spent most of the last century invading other people's in order to install a more favoured leader/regime.
Want me (and others like me) to stop TALKING about my OPINION about Bush - which is all it is - just an opinion, its not like anyone is expecting you to follow it - and "butt out of our damn elections"? Stop "butting into" Afghanistan and Iraq. And Cuba. And pretty much all of South and Central America. And Vietnam. And Korea. And anywhere else I forgot.
Someone on a non-political forum asked for UK voters to complete a short survey on their attitudes to Bush & the election, for a school project. The responses were remarkably similar. They're summed up by this response:
Q2) In brief explanation, what do you like about president bush? (good leader, crushing terrorism, etc)
A) His comedy value as president
Q3) In brief explanation, what don't you like about president bush? (war, lying, etc)
3) His comedy value as president
Fantastically concise - I'm not sure if its +5 insightful or +5 funny - I think it's probably both.
How many bridges collapse on a monthly basis unless you 'prevent' it?
How many bank vaults open up on a monthly basis unless you 'prevent' it?
How many supertankers sink on a monthly basis unless you 'prevent' it?
How many cars spontaneously explode on a monthly basis unless you 'prevent' it?
Unfortunately not. Check out his posting history and comments in previous stories- he's basically earning money by getting an eyebrow-raising number of/. stories front-paged. Suspect.
Why local, that's what the internet was for! You can support a "garage band" from anywhere in the world, based purely on how much you like them, nothing else.
The difficulty of course is finding the ones you like from the masses (from the listener's perspective) / promoting your band to stand out from those masses (from the artists' perspective).
On which note... plug. MP3 clips of all the tunes on the CD, one complete track free, the CD was 100% written, recorded, engineered, produced, mixed, mastered by the band, we also did the photography and design ourselves (er... myself)... and all your money will support a hard working, very original unsigned band. Need convincing? Check some reviews.
Very true. Also, Intels seem to be more vulnerable to the dreaded P4 denormalisation behaviour (whereby many older plugins cause massive cpu spikes when not being used), which is a Very Bad Thing for audio work.
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FUCK YES!!!!!!!
That demo did stuff which my current system still couldn't dream of doing (and being 7 years ago, the specs of the hardware cant have been up to much).
For people in my world, BeOS never amounting to anything is one of the greatest tragedies, imho.
Perhaps I'll say that again - not aimed at consumers.
Thus, that point about Netflix - irrelevant.
Online gaming - irrelevant.
Videoconferencing - irrelevant.
Providers, markets... - irrelevant.
"Consumer attention" - irrelevant.
Internet2 is a RESEARCH network for scientists and academics. Stuff like CERN (nuclear / atomic physics data), which actually DOES need this sort of bandwidth.
I mean, you have a decent enough point were this article ever remotely talking about creating these bandwidths for the resale-to-consumers market. But it's not.
Unbelievable! And very, very funny :D
(And for those who will come along shortly and say "we shouldn't laugh at this or encourage this because it will make them think Linux users are law-breaking hackers"... well, I'm not a Linux user, so I don't really care ;) )
- part of a World Heritage Site
- voted the UK's favourite building
- Bill Bryson: "the best Cathedral on planet earth"
I dont think anyone can appreciate truly awe-inspiring buildings like this, or York Minster, or the Cathedral in Strasbourg, etc, really are, without visiting them. I'm an atheist but I feel blessed to live in a continent with these wonderous beauties :D
Speak for yourself! How does this get modded 5 as if its gospel fact, when its really just your tiny personal reality?
My nearest Blockbuster is about 12 miles away. Now, I have no real idea what distance a typical "block" (eh?) might represent, but I'm guessing we're talking a few thousand of them.
Without a car.
NEXT!
My city, for example, got going somewhere in the eleventh century, which makes it a good 600 years older than the USA!
I'm no expert on Chinese history, but I imagine they can easily trace some of their population centres back centuries before that.
Move to England :)
Every time the BBC/TV license gets mentioned on /. it's usually followed by dozens of (frankly rather cretinous) American's spouting off that it's "socialist" or otherwise evil. I'm glad to see that somebody gets it.
Holy shit, do the tobacco firms have the USA on lockdown, or what? Over here nicotine gum is ~$10.
Oh for mod points. 0, Troll? WTF?
Heh... I keep reading that as Not Work For Safe.
How dare you question whether I love music? I've been making it for about 18 years so far and never yet earned any money from it. Sure, I've been paid - but set against the money I've spent on instruments, tuition, equipment, travel, rehearshal room hire, etc, etc, I can guarantee that overall, I've subsidised my music making heavily from my own pocket.
For the past four and half years I've been in a semi-professional band called keirestu. We get paid up to £800 for an hours set. Cushy money? Well, no. There are ten of us, so if we were to split it, that's £80 each. But we don't split it - we can't afford to. Every penny goes back into the band fund to keep the show on the road. We tour with pushing £20,000 worth of kit. Every gig we play in London costs us about £450 in travel costs alone, and last gig in London we were paid £15. YES, FIFTEEN POUND. In other words, we subsidised the missing £435 FROM OUR OWN POCKETS.
So, once again, how dare you?
Now, we happen to think we're pretty damn good. That's why keep on doing it. Plenty of other people think we're pretty damn good, too. ;)
But let me tell you. After this many years trying to do the band in our spare time, outside a convential 40-hour working week, it's getting harder and harder. It won't last forever... Unless we can turn pro, sooner or later one or more of us will have to call it a day, the band will split and that'll be that. No more music from us. Ever.
Now, if you happen to be one of the thousands of people who have enjoyed our gigs or CDs over the past few years, you'll probably think that's quite a shame. Because we haven't even made 1% of the music we have in us, yet - quantity OR quality. If we could earn a living from this band, we could practice, songwrite and record material EVERY DAY -- as opposed to our current situation, with 10 people juggling different jobs and fitting the band in whenever they can blag a few days off work -- which has given us the mighty total of three practice/songwriting sessions in the last year.
Are you any closer to grasping my point yet?
In short (because I should be in bed already):
Changes in the means of production (ie. technological advances, eg. the internet) will alter the relations of production and eventually have a "cascade effect" which radically alters society itself (eg. notions of intellectual property).
But, that's not really what I wanted to pick up. Rather, I'm curious as to how a music distribution that "no one" can make money off can possibly be considered "infinitely superior".
I'm not trying to troll, I dont think P2P is theft, blah blah. Hell, I use P2P myself - yes, to download music. Yes, to download music which I'm not supposed to.
On the other hand, as a musician, there has to be money in there somewhere, or the consequences are potentially dire. Now you can say "real musicians will continue to make music for the love of it, even if they're not getting paid" all you like. You'd be right. They will.
But.... lets just say, I spent five years making music while a student/unemployed. In that time I consistently averaged one track every two weeks. Eleven months ago I got a full-time temping job; since then I've made five tracks in total. Three months ago I got a full-time "proper" job; since then I've made absolutely nothing.
It's simply a matter of time and energy. If you can earn money from your music, you can devote all your time to it. If you can't, you're faced with trying to come up with some meaningful in two or three snatched hours after work, with a head full of stress and that 7am alarm clock lurking at the back of your mind.
If nobody makes money from music, less music gets made. Sad but true.
You seem to be implying that all .com sites should rightfully be American; any non-American site should use a country-specific TLD instead.
Care to explain yourself?
Well....... it's not.
That one was easily answered! ;)
Is that you, Dubya?
It certainly seems like it, as you're not even remotely addressing my argument, just throwing out vague and unrelated scaremongering featuring the word "terrorist". I never even mentioned terrorists! Just like Bush himself, the previous point of logic goes either misunderstood, or deliberately ignored, and instead you leap straight off with a total non-sequiteur: ".... but, ooh look - terrorists! Must ensure safety against terrorists! You do want to be safe from terrorists, don't you?"
My post did NOT say that The War Against Terror was a bad thing. (Unsurprising, really, given that I did not mention terror, terrorists or terrorism at all. You might notice that "terrorists" were not used as justification for American interventions in Cuba, South/Central America, Vietnam or Korea.)
I was talking about regime change.
Furthermore, if you read REALLY closely (given that you didnt read my post AT ALL the first time, I suspect I'm wasting my time expecting you to rise to such a nuanced level of reading comprehension, but still) you'll notice I didnt even say the US habit of interventionist regime change was a bad thing.
I just said it was inconsistent with the continued argument that the US election is 'none of [insert foreign group] business'.
In other words:
If choosing your leaders is none of our business, then choosing Iraq's leader, or Chile's leader, or whatever, is none of YOUR business.
If on the other hand it's perfectly alright for you to use lethal force, kill civilians and destroy infrastructure at will, in order to get a leader you're happy with, it seems a bit rich to tell people they're not even allowed to merely VOICE THEIR OPINION on your election.
Do you get it now?
No, I thought not. *sigh*
The point is, since the rest of the world has been casually expressing their opinions on the US election, American's seem suddenly very keen on the sacred principle that foreigners shouldnt interfere in the choice of governments.
Which is very curious for a country that has spent most of the last century invading other people's in order to install a more favoured leader/regime.
Want me (and others like me) to stop TALKING about my OPINION about Bush - which is all it is - just an opinion, its not like anyone is expecting you to follow it - and "butt out of our damn elections"? Stop "butting into" Afghanistan and Iraq. And Cuba. And pretty much all of South and Central America. And Vietnam. And Korea. And anywhere else I forgot.
You don't have the faintest idea about the recording industry, do you? :)
For anyone preparing themselves to shout "fanboy!" - I've never read any of this guy's books in my life. I think that might have to change now ;)
The handing-the-customer-data-out part is already illegal under UK law (Data Protection Act, 1984).
Someone on a non-political forum asked for UK voters to complete a short survey on their attitudes to Bush & the election, for a school project. The responses were remarkably similar. They're summed up by this response:
Q2) In brief explanation, what do you like about president bush? (good leader, crushing terrorism, etc)
A) His comedy value as president
Q3) In brief explanation, what don't you like about president bush? (war, lying, etc)
3) His comedy value as president
Fantastically concise - I'm not sure if its +5 insightful or +5 funny - I think it's probably both.
How many bridges collapse on a monthly basis unless you 'prevent' it?
How many bank vaults open up on a monthly basis unless you 'prevent' it?
How many supertankers sink on a monthly basis unless you 'prevent' it?
How many cars spontaneously explode on a monthly basis unless you 'prevent' it?
Unfortunately not. Check out his posting history and comments in previous stories- he's basically earning money by getting an eyebrow-raising number of /. stories front-paged. Suspect.
The difficulty of course is finding the ones you like from the masses (from the listener's perspective) / promoting your band to stand out from those masses (from the artists' perspective).
On which note... plug. MP3 clips of all the tunes on the CD, one complete track free, the CD was 100% written, recorded, engineered, produced, mixed, mastered by the band, we also did the photography and design ourselves (er... myself)... and all your money will support a hard working, very original unsigned band. Need convincing? Check some reviews.
Very true. Also, Intels seem to be more vulnerable to the dreaded P4 denormalisation behaviour (whereby many older plugins cause massive cpu spikes when not being used), which is a Very Bad Thing for audio work.