I don't think most ordinary people can build their own web apps with MSVS.NET. You have to be a programmer at minimum. I know a lot of programmers of varying skill/l337'ness and none of them are ordinary( few are even very sane ).
Or is it, perhaps, moral to sell a government agency (and for that agency to buy) a product that is thought to be good enough for its purpose, as I have no doubt the Microsoft representatives already believe?
I don't care what any salesman(representative) believes. I've never met a salesperson who knew what the hell they were talking about.
Your opinion may be that they're wrong, but this hardly rises to the level of immorality.
They're not taking what in my opinion is the best possible choice for their needs(as I know them).
That is what I take issue with.
You may freely disagree with their choices, but please get off the moral high horse.
I will disagree. My morals are my own, they are not any higher than anyone else's.
It *is* immoral to sell a government agency a system that is known to be flawed when that agency has plans to use the system to protect people from harm.
[disclaimer: immoral is used as defined within my moral system, maybe murder is perfectly fine with you]
This reeks of Prohibition. Does anyone really believe the RIAA/MPAA will acomplish anything? I don't. I think they'll stick this horse for a few more years then[be forced to?] give up. If there's something that's illegal that people want badly enough they'll get it...no matter what. Alcohol had to be relegalized. Marijuana is so widespread as to be legal.
I used to go on and on about how the RIAA is stupid and that P2P sharing of their music only helped their sales. I've now realized that the RIAA is barking up a hollow tree.
I'm fuzzy on this 'off the record' stuff. Is it an actual legal or moral flag that marks a comment as 'for reporter only'? I thought it was more like when people say something that could be taken as a slight and say 'no offense'.
I don't really know what I mean. It just seems like a way to protect yourself from your own opinion.
Small local retailers just don't exist in some parts of the world. There are perhaps two small locally owned stores within 50-75 miles of my home and work.(that I have been able to find)
These stores have more eclectic selection but aren't really a good way to find anything recorded within the last 10 years. Shopping for cousins,friends, etc means you must go to huge stores like FYE, Coconuts (not a mega store they just fucking suck), or Best Buy(barf).
These places have lots of CDs that are over 20 dollars and if they aren't already will break it when you tack on sales tax.
Not to mention the quality of a lot of crap on the shelves. Yeah sure it sounds good on the radio and on the disc but when you hear the person live you either want to shoot them or yourself.
This seems to be a common trait of Execs, Marketing and Sales types.
The tech types at my company generally could care less as long as their hardware and service cover their needs.
Myself, I avoid answering a phone inside the office I'm sure as hell not going to carry a cell phone.
I haven't read nearly enough articles to say for sure on this. But, before all this public jousting did SCO try and privately/sanely/calmly explain their point of view to IBM? And maybe request compensation etc, instead of dropping to a slimey level at such an early point.
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here's a difference...
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I don't see any difference at all between
fix to Mozilla bundled with RedHat or fix to IE bundled with XP,
IE is not bundled with XP, IE is so interwoven into XP that it can't be removed.
However Mozilla is extremely easy to remove.
A lot of us already consider it bizarre and pointless .
Kettle black?
Tee hee, nice =-)
If running Windows on Linux lets them do whatever they need to do, then who are we to criticize them?
/duck
That makes us right.
I'm completely serious with the following question. No slights are intended in either direction.
Does the NT command line have any documentation? I've never seen anything, I really am curious.
I REALLY want to figure out how to replace|alias the 'dir' command on my machine at work.
With MS's security past the Remote Desktop seems like a REALLY BAD IDEA. They don't need a new app for something Outlook already does when exploited.
I don't think most ordinary people can build their own web apps with MSVS.NET. You have to be a programmer at minimum. I know a lot of programmers of varying skill/l337'ness and none of them are ordinary( few are even very sane ).
VB.NET isn't that bad. It's much worse.
The DHS's purpose is to protect people from harm?
I thought it's purpose was to silence all who oppose Fuhrer Bush.
It sure is, as the DHS defines 'people' as anyone they don't mind breathing.
i haven't had a crash since the day i bought it a year and a half ago.
[disbelief]You installed WinXP? And use it regularly? and no crashes?[/disbelief]
I've noticed far fewer crashes and a much more solid product overall when using WinXP.
where do you think they get the information to make their updates?
Definate possibility.
Or is it, perhaps, moral to sell a government agency (and for that agency to buy) a product that is thought to be good enough for its purpose, as I have no doubt the Microsoft representatives already believe?
I don't care what any salesman(representative) believes. I've never met a salesperson who knew what the hell they were talking about.
Your opinion may be that they're wrong, but this hardly rises to the level of immorality.
They're not taking what in my opinion is the best possible choice for their needs(as I know them).
That is what I take issue with.
You may freely disagree with their choices, but please get off the moral high horse.
I will disagree. My morals are my own, they are not any higher than anyone else's.
(note: cliche is annoying)
Crashing without giving any indication as to what went wrong isn't an indicator of a 'good job'.
I bet they analyze _all_ of those reports people send when XP or other software crashes.
It *is* immoral to sell a government agency a system that is known to be flawed when that agency has plans to use the system to protect people from harm.
[disclaimer: immoral is used as defined within my moral system, maybe murder is perfectly fine with you]
"hobbiest" is a new word. It relates to the degree a person resembles a Hobbit. eg "I have got the hobbiest eating habits"
Granted, this needs to change, but this isn't the first time the government has failed to provide adequate information regarding lists of people.
You make this sound undesirable. Why?
Better this way than the government easily and reliably rounding up anyone they decide by whatever arbitrary category they decide.
This reeks of Prohibition. Does anyone really believe the RIAA/MPAA will acomplish anything? I don't. I think they'll stick this horse for a few more years then[be forced to?] give up. If there's something that's illegal that people want badly enough they'll get it...no matter what. Alcohol had to be relegalized. Marijuana is so widespread as to be legal.
I used to go on and on about how the RIAA is stupid and that P2P sharing of their music only helped their sales. I've now realized that the RIAA is barking up a hollow tree.
- always
a bad way to word things.I'm fuzzy on this 'off the record' stuff. Is it an actual legal or moral flag that marks a comment as 'for reporter only'? I thought it was more like when people say something that could be taken as a slight and say 'no offense'.
I don't really know what I mean. It just seems like a way to protect yourself from your own opinion.
...and to think I almost went in to work today.
This made my year. How sad is that?
Small local retailers just don't exist in some parts of the world. There are perhaps two small locally owned stores within 50-75 miles of my home and work.(that I have been able to find)
These stores have more eclectic selection but aren't really a good way to find anything recorded within the last 10 years. Shopping for cousins,friends, etc means you must go to huge stores like FYE, Coconuts (not a mega store they just fucking suck), or Best Buy(barf).
These places have lots of CDs that are over 20 dollars and if they aren't already will break it when you tack on sales tax.
Not to mention the quality of a lot of crap on the shelves. Yeah sure it sounds good on the radio and on the disc but when you hear the person live you either want to shoot them or yourself.
I apologize, mis-spelling Guinness is a capitol crime. It wasn't me...The wookie did it ! Yeah that's right, Chewbacca.
/ducks
/runs
/hides
/proceeds to shave all body hair
This seems to be a common trait of Execs, Marketing and Sales types. The tech types at my company generally could care less as long as their hardware and service cover their needs. Myself, I avoid answering a phone inside the office I'm sure as hell not going to carry a cell phone.
Yeah, there's a point were you just have to leave the geek behind. There are other things to focus on at a bar...Like Guiness.
Now it might be great for a meathead who can't remember his own name so he's going to use it as a brain extension.
I haven't read nearly enough articles to say for sure on this. But, before all this public jousting did SCO try and privately/sanely/calmly explain their point of view to IBM? And maybe request compensation etc, instead of dropping to a slimey level at such an early point.