Well a few people have made the point
"stop making the linux-has-this-feature so-drop-windows-now argument". And i agree. We shouldnt be spouting off "linux can do this" "and "linux can do that". What are we corporate PR people?
Heres my reason as to why you should switch to linux:
"Its open. It doesnt deceive me. It doesnt install software without me knowing. It doesnt hide things from me. It doesnt try to control all the content i look at. It isnt controlled by one person or company whos only goal is to sell more units and not make better software. I dont have to worry about my computer secretly sending my info to HQ. Yes that sounds like a consipracy theory but hey its true. I honestly dont know what windows is doing. Ever. Period. So i cant say it is sending my info. But you cant prove it isnt either. Cause no one can look at its insides and tell us. The future is coming and happening. Who do you want controlling every piece of information you and everyone else in the world deals with and absorbs. Microsoft? a HUGE reason to use linux is simple. Its open. There I said it. The reason isnt it has this widget and that feature. Its that it is open. It was made with the rights of the users in mind. Your not signing your soul and rights away with a single yes click to an EULA that says your fucked hard core if you do anything that you would expect as the owner of something. Linux has no strings. No big contracts or legal agreemants that you have to agree to before using. The GPL is a contract, but one that guarantees a users freedom to use and modify software, not restrict it. It is controlled by the users. Use linux because you want freedom. Now if you dont want freedom and you like your rights to be crapped on, go right ahead and keep on using Microsoft. It doesnt hurt me. Its only hurting you."
That's bullshit. I can literally get 70% or more work done on my linux box and laptop then i ever could in windows. Things like being able to open a remote file in the file browser of kate(text editor). Its as easy as putting in the location bar "ftp://username@host" or "smb://host". I can open, modify and save the file without it having to be moved to my computer. I am a PHP developer and this is an absolute godsend. I can literally hit ctrl+s and then refresh my browser. Plus the fact that I run dual 21 inch monitors with 1600x1200 res on both does help for producitivity. But the fact is that getting work done in linux is much easier, faster, and more enjoyable.
Even if they could (and they cant) get rid of the GPL it doesnt mean they can have the code. Its technically coprighted(copyleft). They still dont have rights to it. It just means that the people who made it would put it under a different license.
Actually its more then just in the long run. IBM is right now pretty much pushing AIX out of the light and giving Linux their FULL attention. They love linux. They sell massive numbers of servers (and soon workstations) and all they have to do is throw a few dozen engineers at the kernel, etc. and open source a few projects, then the community loves them and everyone wins. IBM has already stated that they are going to support their AIX customers but at the same time suggest to all that they switch to their new Linux servers.
Well its a mathematical probability that there will be security issues with server2k3, and OSS. Its just that the "filtering" process in OSS is much more thorough.
Well you can increase your framerates alittle just by loading the game stright from terminal with x instead through kde or gnome.
Example:
"startx -e savage"
then it only loads the game and no gui. i do it with NWN, Ut2k3, Tribes2, Enemy Territory, AA, Morrowind.
I say the human race is dead by 2100.
Thats about the same as what he says. Pure speculation. Wasnt there supposed to be some sort of religous armageddon in 2000? Huh.
Well this is the problem i see. Linux is a collaboration of work. In the end yes it is one project but there hundreds of pieces that thousands of people have put in. SCO cant lay claim to that work that was done with those pieces. They can only lay claim to the piece they *may* or definately may not be theirs.
You see the problem is that they dont own the TCP/IP stack of Linux. They dont own ext3 support in the kernel. They dont own SMP support in the kernel. They dont own IPv4 and IPv6 support in the kernel. They dont own ACPI ability in the kernel. They dont own Virtual Memory in the kernel. They dont own the IP to any of that. That was written by people and GPL'ed for the kernel, legally. If any thing, they *possibly* own 80 lines of code 1/3 of which is probably comments. So who gives a fuck. They cant license parts they dont own. That is illegal and they will get seriously fucked if they think RedHat, Suse, Mandrake, IBM and the literally millions of people who use Linux arent going to give up a little cash to crush SCO and forever end the doubt about someone elses code in the linux kernel. Linux has its whole existence documented in view of the public. There are books about its general history. There are CVS logs of who added what. Linux can prove anything it needs to. SCO on the other hand is hiding itself behind shadows and closed doors and its history with UNIX is not only confusing but questionable.
They cant license anything but the code they own and they cant license code they dont own. And the list above they dont own, so they cant license it or they can be sued by the original people who wrote it for breach of the GPL. SCO is fucked plain and simple and the fact that they have shown absolutely no evidence to the public means that they are full of shit. If their case is so fucking air tight why do they have to hide it. Because its not thats why.
Man does that guy not know his history about the GNU/Linux Community. GNU/Linux hasnt become what it is today because millions of people believed in it from the start. For years(and now) people have been saying that Linux will eventually die, that it cant compete, can't scale, etc. Saying things like that just fuels people to come together, work hard, and prove them wrong. I mean Richard Stallman created GCC by himself, working on it for 2 years. He coded every moment he was awake. His motivation was to make something that was as good or better than the closed source implementation. There is no room for "sort of" free software. It cant work. It has to be all or nothing because once you start letting little things slide you will lose control.
". Or unlike the Linux Camp where its expected that you are be treated as a fucking sleeze if you don't give away the entirety of your work where others with better marketting skills are free to take what you've done and sell your work as if it were their own (its all about the service, BUT if you are an inept geek with no social skills, do you REALLY think you are going to know how to service your users -- or are you just good enough to write a damn good program that a million other geeks find useful)."
Wow, thank you for showing me just how inane some people can be. I use Linux, i have to honestly say I dont own any pirated material. I own UT2k3, NWN, NWN: Shadows of Undertide, Tribes 2. I actually *buy* my cds. Plus have you even read the GPL or any of Richard Stallmans essays. Guess not. No one can specifically sell your work without giving you anything. Yes distros sell tons of free(as in freedom) apps but those are packaged, what your buying is service, support, and setup tools and the like. If you tried to sell Gnome specifically you would *have* to acknowledge it by including a copy of the GPL and saying who the original coders were. And you could only make money off providing services with Gnome or for media of shipping, packaging, installer, etc., not selling Gnome itself as a licensed product. That is against the GPL, licenses. Like Microsofts 4-5 year mandatory license they put onto companies and countries. No one takes anyones work and sells it as their own. If they did they would be in breach of the GPL and liable. What companies like Red Hat do is charge for "distributing" free software. Its not selling it in the same sense.
Now instead of spending MILLIONS of dollars on an election campaign the Candidates will spend those millions on hackers whose jobs will be to infect all users computers and have their machines vote for them. Then again when ppl see that they have absolutely 100% of the vote, that might look a little suspicious.
Well you see that might be a problem but its called "swap" space in linux, or VM(Virtual Memory). So 64 megs of ram is not a problem. Hell it wouldnt be a problem if it was 32 megs.
ummmmm that is incorrect. Why do people keep turning the GPL into something its not. It is not against business. Richard Stallman said that himself. You can use a GPL'ed code in proprietary you just have to acknowledge that you are using the GPL'ed code and have that "portion" open source. Linksys uses a version of the linux kernel in their wireless router. That doesnt mean they have to open all the source their firmware.
Read Richard Stallmans book, Free Software Free Society and you will understand the GPL and the GNU better.
"We FreeBSD folk shun the idea of a not-so-free license like the GPL where you have free as in beer, not free as in freedom."
Jeez get your facts straight before you try to insult the gnu or anything for that matter.
direct quote from the gnu.org site:
``Free software'' is a matter of liberty, not price. To understand the concept, you should think of ``free'' as in ``free speech,'' not as in ``free beer."
Its people like you who dont know their facts and spew bullshit that hurt the BSD and Linux community's.
"If you would not, does their decision to release the source change your mind?"
Well i already have an 802.11b card of theirs - WPC11 v4.0 but now that they have released the source of this I would have to say this is a big plus and will most likely swing my networking purchases in their favor.
Actually its not late at all. Linux is still in infancy. No matter what it looks like. We dont have everything figured out yet, but it is moving at leaps and bounds. For me Linux is ready for desktop (and has been for sometime). I dont own a computer that doesnt have Linux on it, and Linux only. But then again thats just me.
Ummmm no. Its called Kdevelop or you could scrap the gui and just do terminal. No GTK or QT. Besides you only need to know those if you want to make a graphical program. Most the time when you are learning programming for the first time you are only doing "Hello World" bullshit so what do you need a gui for?
Your shitting me right? Your school actually implements the newest stuff? Probably not. If its not a problem they wont do it. Plus why are you using telnet? Oh well i guess some people like sending their stuff through plaintext.
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Acrually Suse pulled out of United Linux when this all first started.
Oh yes we are all going to destroy the millions of disks and wipe the thousands of ftp servers with kernel 2.4. Yah sure.
Well a few people have made the point "stop making the linux-has-this-feature so-drop-windows-now argument". And i agree. We shouldnt be spouting off "linux can do this" "and "linux can do that". What are we corporate PR people?
Heres my reason as to why you should switch to linux: "Its open. It doesnt deceive me. It doesnt install software without me knowing. It doesnt hide things from me. It doesnt try to control all the content i look at. It isnt controlled by one person or company whos only goal is to sell more units and not make better software. I dont have to worry about my computer secretly sending my info to HQ. Yes that sounds like a consipracy theory but hey its true. I honestly dont know what windows is doing. Ever. Period. So i cant say it is sending my info. But you cant prove it isnt either. Cause no one can look at its insides and tell us. The future is coming and happening. Who do you want controlling every piece of information you and everyone else in the world deals with and absorbs. Microsoft? a HUGE reason to use linux is simple. Its open. There I said it. The reason isnt it has this widget and that feature. Its that it is open. It was made with the rights of the users in mind. Your not signing your soul and rights away with a single yes click to an EULA that says your fucked hard core if you do anything that you would expect as the owner of something. Linux has no strings. No big contracts or legal agreemants that you have to agree to before using. The GPL is a contract, but one that guarantees a users freedom to use and modify software, not restrict it. It is controlled by the users. Use linux because you want freedom. Now if you dont want freedom and you like your rights to be crapped on, go right ahead and keep on using Microsoft. It doesnt hurt me. Its only hurting you."
That's bullshit. I can literally get 70% or more work done on my linux box and laptop then i ever could in windows. Things like being able to open a remote file in the file browser of kate(text editor). Its as easy as putting in the location bar "ftp://username@host" or "smb://host". I can open, modify and save the file without it having to be moved to my computer. I am a PHP developer and this is an absolute godsend. I can literally hit ctrl+s and then refresh my browser. Plus the fact that I run dual 21 inch monitors with 1600x1200 res on both does help for producitivity. But the fact is that getting work done in linux is much easier, faster, and more enjoyable.
Even if they could (and they cant) get rid of the GPL it doesnt mean they can have the code. Its technically coprighted(copyleft). They still dont have rights to it. It just means that the people who made it would put it under a different license.
Actually its more then just in the long run. IBM is right now pretty much pushing AIX out of the light and giving Linux their FULL attention. They love linux. They sell massive numbers of servers (and soon workstations) and all they have to do is throw a few dozen engineers at the kernel, etc. and open source a few projects, then the community loves them and everyone wins. IBM has already stated that they are going to support their AIX customers but at the same time suggest to all that they switch to their new Linux servers.
And how the fuck are we supposed to have seen that? Closed source remember!
Well its a mathematical probability that there will be security issues with server2k3, and OSS. Its just that the "filtering" process in OSS is much more thorough.
Well you can increase your framerates alittle just by loading the game stright from terminal with x instead through kde or gnome. Example: "startx -e savage" then it only loads the game and no gui. i do it with NWN, Ut2k3, Tribes2, Enemy Territory, AA, Morrowind.
I say the human race is dead by 2100. Thats about the same as what he says. Pure speculation. Wasnt there supposed to be some sort of religous armageddon in 2000? Huh.
Aussies sticking it to that little fucker SCO. Hehe
Which version? Theres only one. The GPL. There is also the LGPL but that is for library routines and such.
Well this is the problem i see. Linux is a collaboration of work. In the end yes it is one project but there hundreds of pieces that thousands of people have put in. SCO cant lay claim to that work that was done with those pieces. They can only lay claim to the piece they *may* or definately may not be theirs. You see the problem is that they dont own the TCP/IP stack of Linux. They dont own ext3 support in the kernel. They dont own SMP support in the kernel. They dont own IPv4 and IPv6 support in the kernel. They dont own ACPI ability in the kernel. They dont own Virtual Memory in the kernel. They dont own the IP to any of that. That was written by people and GPL'ed for the kernel, legally. If any thing, they *possibly* own 80 lines of code 1/3 of which is probably comments. So who gives a fuck. They cant license parts they dont own. That is illegal and they will get seriously fucked if they think RedHat, Suse, Mandrake, IBM and the literally millions of people who use Linux arent going to give up a little cash to crush SCO and forever end the doubt about someone elses code in the linux kernel. Linux has its whole existence documented in view of the public. There are books about its general history. There are CVS logs of who added what. Linux can prove anything it needs to. SCO on the other hand is hiding itself behind shadows and closed doors and its history with UNIX is not only confusing but questionable. They cant license anything but the code they own and they cant license code they dont own. And the list above they dont own, so they cant license it or they can be sued by the original people who wrote it for breach of the GPL. SCO is fucked plain and simple and the fact that they have shown absolutely no evidence to the public means that they are full of shit. If their case is so fucking air tight why do they have to hide it. Because its not thats why.
Man does that guy not know his history about the GNU/Linux Community. GNU/Linux hasnt become what it is today because millions of people believed in it from the start. For years(and now) people have been saying that Linux will eventually die, that it cant compete, can't scale, etc. Saying things like that just fuels people to come together, work hard, and prove them wrong. I mean Richard Stallman created GCC by himself, working on it for 2 years. He coded every moment he was awake. His motivation was to make something that was as good or better than the closed source implementation.
There is no room for "sort of" free software. It cant work. It has to be all or nothing because once you start letting little things slide you will lose control.
yah but linux can scale to 10+ processors too hehe.
Well actually there is the Mono project. A .NET for Linux thing. But not the bad parts of .NET
". Or unlike the Linux Camp where its expected that you are be treated as a fucking sleeze if you don't give away the entirety of your work where others with better marketting skills are free to take what you've done and sell your work as if it were their own (its all about the service, BUT if you are an inept geek with no social skills, do you REALLY think you are going to know how to service your users -- or are you just good enough to write a damn good program that a million other geeks find useful)."
Wow, thank you for showing me just how inane some people can be. I use Linux, i have to honestly say I dont own any pirated material. I own UT2k3, NWN, NWN: Shadows of Undertide, Tribes 2. I actually *buy* my cds. Plus have you even read the GPL or any of Richard Stallmans essays. Guess not. No one can specifically sell your work without giving you anything. Yes distros sell tons of free(as in freedom) apps but those are packaged, what your buying is service, support, and setup tools and the like. If you tried to sell Gnome specifically you would *have* to acknowledge it by including a copy of the GPL and saying who the original coders were. And you could only make money off providing services with Gnome or for media of shipping, packaging, installer, etc., not selling Gnome itself as a licensed product. That is against the GPL, licenses. Like Microsofts 4-5 year mandatory license they put onto companies and countries. No one takes anyones work and sells it as their own. If they did they would be in breach of the GPL and liable. What companies like Red Hat do is charge for "distributing" free software. Its not selling it in the same sense.
Now instead of spending MILLIONS of dollars on an election campaign the Candidates will spend those millions on hackers whose jobs will be to infect all users computers and have their machines vote for them. Then again when ppl see that they have absolutely 100% of the vote, that might look a little suspicious.
Well you see that might be a problem but its called "swap" space in linux, or VM(Virtual Memory). So 64 megs of ram is not a problem. Hell it wouldnt be a problem if it was 32 megs.
ummmmm that is incorrect. Why do people keep turning the GPL into something its not. It is not against business. Richard Stallman said that himself. You can use a GPL'ed code in proprietary you just have to acknowledge that you are using the GPL'ed code and have that "portion" open source. Linksys uses a version of the linux kernel in their wireless router. That doesnt mean they have to open all the source their firmware.
Read Richard Stallmans book, Free Software Free Society and you will understand the GPL and the GNU better.
"We FreeBSD folk shun the idea of a not-so-free license like the GPL where you have free as in beer, not free as in freedom." Jeez get your facts straight before you try to insult the gnu or anything for that matter. direct quote from the gnu.org site: ``Free software'' is a matter of liberty, not price. To understand the concept, you should think of ``free'' as in ``free speech,'' not as in ``free beer." Its people like you who dont know their facts and spew bullshit that hurt the BSD and Linux community's.
"If you would not, does their decision to release the source change your mind?"
Well i already have an 802.11b card of theirs - WPC11 v4.0 but now that they have released the source of this I would have to say this is a big plus and will most likely swing my networking purchases in their favor.
Actually its not late at all. Linux is still in infancy. No matter what it looks like. We dont have everything figured out yet, but it is moving at leaps and bounds. For me Linux is ready for desktop (and has been for sometime). I dont own a computer that doesnt have Linux on it, and Linux only. But then again thats just me.
Ummmm no. Its called Kdevelop or you could scrap the gui and just do terminal. No GTK or QT. Besides you only need to know those if you want to make a graphical program. Most the time when you are learning programming for the first time you are only doing "Hello World" bullshit so what do you need a gui for?
Your shitting me right? Your school actually implements the newest stuff? Probably not. If its not a problem they wont do it. Plus why are you using telnet? Oh well i guess some people like sending their stuff through plaintext.