Well I am an EE. Actually this is probaly more of an issue with the ASIC (which would be closer to CE stuff...)
Since the two cars are manufactured similarly, we can rule out any manufacturing technology differences from causeing this.
Next since the cards perform similarly and take up about the same die space, we can rule out the possibility that one company just has "better" designs for the internal components.
My money is on ATI either having or hiring a thermo expert (you'd be surprised how many EE's don't get coursework in fluids, thermodynamics, and heat transfer particularly as they apply to chip design) who helped the team better place, route, and design the internals of the chips to minimize waste and maximize dissipation. They probably also suggested some minor tweaks at the transistor and manufacturing levels that ended up having a major impact.
On the (probably wrong) assumption that you've just been drinking too much magic Kool-aid (and arn't purposefully doing a damn good job at trolling):
I think you missed my point, your copy-paste-modify rant that you post every time you can work it in to a thread really has nothing to do at all with the story. It's just you standing up on the soap box, and it's getting old...
Yeah -current will tell you it's 3.5 (because it's 3.5-current). Does it have the -stable or the -release tag after the 3.5 at the top of the dmesg? I guess that's possible since you did get the snapshot back in March.
>However, I was able to find a solution.
I'd strongly suggesting using 3.5-stable (or release) and the MySQL package when you do your addendum. The MySQL problem should be fixed in one of the patches and should work for you "out-of-the-box" (but I'll make no gaurentees about the speed).
If you still have to make that kind of an adjustment to the package to get it to run, try contacting the port maintainer. That's not something that should stay broken...
Your trolling is getting better. I particularly like how you changed the order and the wording to make the content of your rant seem more relevent to the article.
You still havn't answered my questions though:
Why the hell are you bitching and whinning on slashdot?
If you honestly believe that acting like an adult and sitting down with policy makers to discuss issues doesn't work, why don't you run for office yourself? G-d knows that a hoard of lemming slashbots would vote for you.
Also if you want to go back and use the patch (stable) branch instead of the current branch, you can use your current system to check out the latest OPENBSD_3_5 branch of ports, src, and XF4 from cvs and make a "release" ( see release(8) ) of the patch branch. Then you would use the files it makes to install the software again (use install not upgrade b/c upgrade doesn't work in the other direction...).
Sorry it took me so long to get back to you (was out of town...)
> The FAQ does not state this at all.
Wow, you've got me there. The faq doesn't seem to have that information anymore. I'm pretty sure it or some man page (X, startx) used to because I remember reading explicitly to start with the example in the README file instead of running the config when I set OpenBSD up on that Blade 100.
> There are no packages or even ports for MySQL 4.0
Well, while I don't use MySQL,
this does look like 4.0 to me. According to the make file there is a package available via ftp and on the CD-ROM. I also doubt you bothered to apply all of the patches in the patches directory when you made it from source yourself. That's proably why it doesn't work. On a general note if you ask on misc@ they are going to tell you to just use the package and only to use the port if you need a special flavor (and it doesn't sound like you do).
> The 3.5 snapshot worked fine for me,
I mistyped. The April 19th snapshot was the messed up one (It was fixed on the 20th, everyone subscribed to misc and source-changes was told).
If you got a snapshot on the 29th you probably didn't get 3.5. Instead you ended up with current, and not only that, but you got it durring the greatest period of change and instability....
Releases are finalized far enough before the release date to get the CDs pressed. May 1 isn't when they apply the tag. Had you wanted to run 3.5 before that, I'd have suggested installing 3.4 or a snapshot, fetching the 3_5_BASE from CVS and doing release(8).
> You'll note that I did solicit the help of the OpenBSD/sparc mailing list
Not very many people are subscribed there; misc@ is usually a better bet for the type of problems you were having (misc probably isn't as friendly though....).
There's a little thing called discovery. He'd better be able to show that they did opt-in or the defending lawyers will have a field day and probably get it thrown out of court.
As for the opt out. It only takes one person who says they asked to be taken off and wern't....
With all of those addresses flying about odds are there is at least one.....
Though it's not the author's fault entirely (he is in a hurry), some of the bad experiences he had could have been avoided if he had followed the documentation and not assumed that OpenBSD is the same as Net and Free.
For example he tried to run the various X configurations utilities. The FAQ clearly states that there is a WORKING example configuration that you should start from in/usr/X11/README.
Furthermore the FAQ also states to not compile from source unless absolutely nessessary. If he had used packages, he might not have had the problems with the databases that he had. However there was a MySQL glitch in 3.4 (I think, it could have been 3.3) that was fixed in stable. Also, the 3.5 snapshot from the 29th had some serious problems (people were told not to use it). Doing a little more homework would have avoided these problems; it's all documented.
While overall the article was very interesting, I am disappointed that his haste caused him to have problems where he should not have.
Me: Maybe it's because you'd rather complain and come up with half-baked conspiracy theories then actually take action.
You: Maybe you have never asked your senators to stop selling the government to special interests. (long rant about president here)
Thank you for proving my point.
For the record, I have asked my senators to vote against popular bills their parties supported because I felt they weren't right. Since I took the time to write a well thoughtout letter expressing my opinions, they voted the way I wanted instead of the way their party voted.
I've found that most of the time Representatives and Senators are either getting a sales pitch from a lobbyist or yelled at by constituatants who just feel like complaining. In other words, what you think is in your best interest doesn't just come to them by magic. If you explain your possition and make constructive suggestions in an adult fasion, they do their job and vote accordingly.
Not a clue as to what you are talking about. My Senators have always made time to meet with me, always responded to faxes and letters, AND almost always voted as I wanted them to after some discussion of the issue and explaining my possition.
Maybe it's because you'd rather complain and come up with half-baked conspiracy theories then actually take action.
Price is only one factor in a customer's purchase decision. The final decision is based on total percieved value (in micro-econ you call this utility but don't analize where it comes from).
Microsoft just needs to increase the percieved value of their product relative to Linux based solutions. The real question is who in marketing messed up and didn't see Linux comming and work to make changes in the upcomming product offerings to avoid the errosion of percieved value (and hence the worth of the Microsoft brand) that Microsoft has experienced in recent years?
I realize that China is a repressive government and all. I can understand not letting kids gamble and wanting to keep them away from porn. I even see why they want to restrict acess to non-government controlled media. But what good does keeping those younger then 16 off of the internet entirely accomplish?
The real questions surrounding this issue have nothing to do with what was asked in the interview and nothing to do with your line of arguement. However let's just assume that such things havn't been agreed on for many years now.
Under your argument my rental or purchase of a DVD is really my implicit agreement to a contract.
The "Terms of Use" as you call them are not written down and clearly provided at the point of purchase, nor is it made clear to the purchaser that he or she is not buying or renting a product but getting it as part of a contractual agreement. Furthermore even if such was the case, the contract would still not be valid as no mutual consideration takes place.
Because the purchaser beleives, and resonbly so, that he or she purchased a copy of a movie (or rented the use of said copy for a time) instead of agreed to a contract, and no evidence is provided to the contrary, the purchaser is reasonable to conclude that he or she may use the product in a reasonable fashion, such as by WATCHING the movie.
No court anywhere is going to convict you for cracking the encryption for your own use of a product you legally purchased and intended to use for it's designed purpose. However, when we get into cracking the encryption to use the product in other ways the question of "reasonble use" is going to enter the picture. Would the archetypal objective, reasonble person say that one coule expect to be able to loan the copy of the movie to a friend for their use? (Probably.) What about using that copy as a source of income? (Probably not.) What about making another identical copy for non-commercial use? (This is what's up in the air right now and ALL that we should be debating in the US; getting side tracked and arguing over things that legal precident established many years ago gets neither side anywhere.)
There is one other issue that is also up in the air: Whether a company could be forced to provide an unencrypted copy of a movie if the purchase was made under terms similar to those above but the encryption could not be cracked and a request for a refund was denied.
Did you read the article? Do you think that the only users of computing power are multi-tasking machines? This doesn't compeate with Intel; it compeates with TI. It is for EMBEDED products.
As someone who designed such products, I think the chip has a very good shot at succeeding if it does what it says. In fact it is EXACTLY what I need for several projects.
Assuming it performs comparable to a TI DSP and costs only slightly more, I can make a cheeper product because I have fewer chips on board (just the stretch instead of a DSP and an FPGA).
It's a DSP/RISC processor (basically the same thing) with an on-chip FPGA. If you have some particular algorithm, you can put it on the FPGA to get a solution instead of having to use code. (this is a lot harder to explain then I thought it would be....)
Funny, I couldn't get 2k to install when it first came out; the installer crashed.
It worked out for the better though. Since I had to start over in Windows, but I had a working Linux system, I just never got around to putting windows back on.
The difference between the *E and the *ET degree is mostly a matter of ciriculum. With the *E degree you focus more on math, science, base theory, modeling, etc. The (IMHO, correct) assumption is that technology changes so fast it's better to leave you get that on your own(at your first job as a Junior Engineer) and to focus on the basic skills and theory that will always apply.
With an *ET degree you get some of the theory but not nearly as much. The focus is more on the current trends and technologies as well as using the latest tools. Typically employers look at the *E degree with more respect then the *ET degree. (Really all a degree amounts to anyway is respect...)
Personally I recomend combination programs that involve heavy theory in the class room with real world experience outside. The Kettering University co-op program is a very good example. The advantage of a co-op program is that you get the more prestigious *E degree AND still get the technology expericen WHILE building your resume (by keeping a steady job while in school). It's very hard work but tends to result in MUCH better success (higher employment rates, better pay, faster advancement).
Also, despite popular myth, ANYONE can afford to go to a top level school in this country. You just have to get off your butt and apply for all of the federal grants and need based scholarships.....
yep, and tax law discriminates against you for having a farm that's so small.
Profitability is highly variable and it takes a keen business mind to stay in business.
The best be to make the money is to get paid by agracultural researchers to use you land for researching the viability of new strains of crop as that's gaurenteed to produce a profit.
In short farming is very hard work that you typically get underpaid for.
you do realize that the window on OSes like BSD and Linux isn't anywhere near as big as it is on some of these routers. This has nothing to do with the bandwidth.
This exploit takes advantage of the fact that the router vendors have very predictable TCP implementations.
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Since the two cars are manufactured similarly, we can rule out any manufacturing technology differences from causeing this.
Next since the cards perform similarly and take up about the same die space, we can rule out the possibility that one company just has "better" designs for the internal components.
My money is on ATI either having or hiring a thermo expert (you'd be surprised how many EE's don't get coursework in fluids, thermodynamics, and heat transfer particularly as they apply to chip design) who helped the team better place, route, and design the internals of the chips to minimize waste and maximize dissipation. They probably also suggested some minor tweaks at the transistor and manufacturing levels that ended up having a major impact.
I think you missed my point, your copy-paste-modify rant that you post every time you can work it in to a thread really has nothing to do at all with the story. It's just you standing up on the soap box, and it's getting old...
Oh yeah, I still want my questions answered.
Yeah -current will tell you it's 3.5 (because it's 3.5-current). Does it have the -stable or the -release tag after the 3.5 at the top of the dmesg? I guess that's possible since you did get the snapshot back in March.
>However, I was able to find a solution.
I'd strongly suggesting using 3.5-stable (or release) and the MySQL package when you do your addendum. The MySQL problem should be fixed in one of the patches and should work for you "out-of-the-box" (but I'll make no gaurentees about the speed).
If you still have to make that kind of an adjustment to the package to get it to run, try contacting the port maintainer. That's not something that should stay broken...
And for some really odd reason the mods tend to mod your blatent trolling up! Keep of the "good"(?) work.
BTW I still want a reply
You still havn't answered my questions though:
Why the hell are you bitching and whinning on slashdot?
If you honestly believe that acting like an adult and sitting down with policy makers to discuss issues doesn't work, why don't you run for office yourself? G-d knows that a hoard of lemming slashbots would vote for you.
Also if you want to go back and use the patch (stable) branch instead of the current branch, you can use your current system to check out the latest OPENBSD_3_5 branch of ports, src, and XF4 from cvs and make a "release" ( see release(8) ) of the patch branch. Then you would use the files it makes to install the software again (use install not upgrade b/c upgrade doesn't work in the other direction...).
> The FAQ does not state this at all.
Wow, you've got me there. The faq doesn't seem to have that information anymore. I'm pretty sure it or some man page (X, startx) used to because I remember reading explicitly to start with the example in the README file instead of running the config when I set OpenBSD up on that Blade 100.
> There are no packages or even ports for MySQL 4.0
Well, while I don't use MySQL, this does look like 4.0 to me. According to the make file there is a package available via ftp and on the CD-ROM. I also doubt you bothered to apply all of the patches in the patches directory when you made it from source yourself. That's proably why it doesn't work. On a general note if you ask on misc@ they are going to tell you to just use the package and only to use the port if you need a special flavor (and it doesn't sound like you do).
> The 3.5 snapshot worked fine for me,
I mistyped. The April 19th snapshot was the messed up one (It was fixed on the 20th, everyone subscribed to misc and source-changes was told).
If you got a snapshot on the 29th you probably didn't get 3.5. Instead you ended up with current, and not only that, but you got it durring the greatest period of change and instability....
Releases are finalized far enough before the release date to get the CDs pressed. May 1 isn't when they apply the tag. Had you wanted to run 3.5 before that, I'd have suggested installing 3.4 or a snapshot, fetching the 3_5_BASE from CVS and doing release(8).
> You'll note that I did solicit the help of the OpenBSD/sparc mailing list
Not very many people are subscribed there; misc@ is usually a better bet for the type of problems you were having (misc probably isn't as friendly though....).
As for the opt out. It only takes one person who says they asked to be taken off and wern't....
With all of those addresses flying about odds are there is at least one.....
Just my $.02
For example he tried to run the various X configurations utilities. The FAQ clearly states that there is a WORKING example configuration that you should start from in /usr/X11/README .
Furthermore the FAQ also states to not compile from source unless absolutely nessessary. If he had used packages, he might not have had the problems with the databases that he had. However there was a MySQL glitch in 3.4 (I think, it could have been 3.3) that was fixed in stable. Also, the 3.5 snapshot from the 29th had some serious problems (people were told not to use it). Doing a little more homework would have avoided these problems; it's all documented.
While overall the article was very interesting, I am disappointed that his haste caused him to have problems where he should not have.
Me: Maybe it's because you'd rather complain and come up with half-baked conspiracy theories then actually take action.
You: Maybe you have never asked your senators to stop selling the government to special interests. (long rant about president here)
Thank you for proving my point.
For the record, I have asked my senators to vote against popular bills their parties supported because I felt they weren't right. Since I took the time to write a well thoughtout letter expressing my opinions, they voted the way I wanted instead of the way their party voted.
I've found that most of the time Representatives and Senators are either getting a sales pitch from a lobbyist or yelled at by constituatants who just feel like complaining. In other words, what you think is in your best interest doesn't just come to them by magic. If you explain your possition and make constructive suggestions in an adult fasion, they do their job and vote accordingly.
Not a clue as to what you are talking about. My Senators have always made time to meet with me, always responded to faxes and letters, AND almost always voted as I wanted them to after some discussion of the issue and explaining my possition.
Maybe it's because you'd rather complain and come up with half-baked conspiracy theories then actually take action.
Unfortunately it was a Microsoft provided one that was loaded durring install (and cause the installer to crash).
It worked out though; I swapped to linux and managed to break my computer game adiction :)
Price is only one factor in a customer's purchase decision. The final decision is based on total percieved value (in micro-econ you call this utility but don't analize where it comes from).
Microsoft just needs to increase the percieved value of their product relative to Linux based solutions. The real question is who in marketing messed up and didn't see Linux comming and work to make changes in the upcomming product offerings to avoid the errosion of percieved value (and hence the worth of the Microsoft brand) that Microsoft has experienced in recent years?
Except, fortunately for you, you don't get arrested, tortured, and imprisoned for saying it. Such a situation would not be so if you were in China.
I realize that China is a repressive government and all. I can understand not letting kids gamble and wanting to keep them away from porn. I even see why they want to restrict acess to non-government controlled media. But what good does keeping those younger then 16 off of the internet entirely accomplish?
The "Terms of Use" as you call them are not written down and clearly provided at the point of purchase, nor is it made clear to the purchaser that he or she is not buying or renting a product but getting it as part of a contractual agreement. Furthermore even if such was the case, the contract would still not be valid as no mutual consideration takes place.
Because the purchaser beleives, and resonbly so, that he or she purchased a copy of a movie (or rented the use of said copy for a time) instead of agreed to a contract, and no evidence is provided to the contrary, the purchaser is reasonable to conclude that he or she may use the product in a reasonable fashion, such as by WATCHING the movie.
No court anywhere is going to convict you for cracking the encryption for your own use of a product you legally purchased and intended to use for it's designed purpose. However, when we get into cracking the encryption to use the product in other ways the question of "reasonble use" is going to enter the picture. Would the archetypal objective, reasonble person say that one coule expect to be able to loan the copy of the movie to a friend for their use? (Probably.) What about using that copy as a source of income? (Probably not.) What about making another identical copy for non-commercial use? (This is what's up in the air right now and ALL that we should be debating in the US; getting side tracked and arguing over things that legal precident established many years ago gets neither side anywhere.)
There is one other issue that is also up in the air: Whether a company could be forced to provide an unencrypted copy of a movie if the purchase was made under terms similar to those above but the encryption could not be cracked and a request for a refund was denied.
And my personal favorite: There not being enough fuel on earth to get a man to the moon and back?
As someone who designed such products, I think the chip has a very good shot at succeeding if it does what it says. In fact it is EXACTLY what I need for several projects.
Assuming it performs comparable to a TI DSP and costs only slightly more, I can make a cheeper product because I have fewer chips on board (just the stretch instead of a DSP and an FPGA).
It's a DSP/RISC processor (basically the same thing) with an on-chip FPGA. If you have some particular algorithm, you can put it on the FPGA to get a solution instead of having to use code. (this is a lot harder to explain then I thought it would be....)
I seem to rember other game companies trying this and not getting very far. I'm I just imagining things or am I compleately missing the point?
Funny, I couldn't get 2k to install when it first came out; the installer crashed.
It worked out for the better though. Since I had to start over in Windows, but I had a working Linux system, I just never got around to putting windows back on.
The difference between the *E and the *ET degree is mostly a matter of ciriculum. With the *E degree you focus more on math, science, base theory, modeling, etc. The (IMHO, correct) assumption is that technology changes so fast it's better to leave you get that on your own(at your first job as a Junior Engineer) and to focus on the basic skills and theory that will always apply.
With an *ET degree you get some of the theory but not nearly as much. The focus is more on the current trends and technologies as well as using the latest tools. Typically employers look at the *E degree with more respect then the *ET degree. (Really all a degree amounts to anyway is respect...)
Personally I recomend combination programs that involve heavy theory in the class room with real world experience outside. The Kettering University co-op program is a very good example. The advantage of a co-op program is that you get the more prestigious *E degree AND still get the technology expericen WHILE building your resume (by keeping a steady job while in school). It's very hard work but tends to result in MUCH better success (higher employment rates, better pay, faster advancement).
Also, despite popular myth, ANYONE can afford to go to a top level school in this country. You just have to get off your butt and apply for all of the federal grants and need based scholarships.....
Profitability is highly variable and it takes a keen business mind to stay in business.
The best be to make the money is to get paid by agracultural researchers to use you land for researching the viability of new strains of crop as that's gaurenteed to produce a profit.
In short farming is very hard work that you typically get underpaid for.
you do realize that the window on OSes like BSD and Linux isn't anywhere near as big as it is on some of these routers. This has nothing to do with the bandwidth.
This exploit takes advantage of the fact that the router vendors have very predictable TCP implementations.