Brothers in Arms- a great first person shooter - is based on historically accurate information. Including arial photographs used to design the roads and villages a player travels on.
I loved the way that Oddworld: Stranger's Wrath handled the point of view. It was an instantaneous switch between first and third person. And both of them were handled very well. You could only shoot in first person, and some fighting moves were third person only- but it worked real well.
Personally, I played just about every FPS released on the PC from 1999 to 2003. And I ended up liking Xbox Halo and Halo 2 a LOT. Sure, a lot of people don't like it, and that is okay. But then again Halo 2 sold over 6 million copies, while Half-Life 2 is languishing around 2 million.
And just think about the difference in installed base of Xbox vs. PC.
Now there must be SOME reason that 6 million people are willing to buy the game. Just because you don't like it, doesn't mean that everyone else shares your opinion. As I said, I played just about EVERY FPS released for about 4 years and I still liked it. Was it the BEST? No...but was it a lot of fun? YES!
Also, you say that the Xbox library is 'riding literally on about 10 top games.'
How do you determine this? What are the top games?
Would it be by the way they are rated? Because on Gamerankings.com I could list 100 games, and still be looking at games in the 84th percentile. Games like Ghost Recon, Prince of Persia: Warrior Within, Return to Castle Wolfenstein, TOCA Race Driver 2 are all sitting in the 80-100 spots. Those are all pretty solid games- with at least 79 games ranked above them.
Or- do you only judge a platform by the exclusives? Because exclusive or not, I can play games like Burnout 3, Crimson Skies, Splinter Cell, etc. etc. on my Xbox. If they are not exclusives, it does not take away my enjoyment at all- it just means that people without Xboxes can play them too.
People that judge a console by exclusive titles usually own Gamecubes. They miss out on things like Brothers in Arms, Burnout 3...and Oddworld: Stranger's Wrath, which was an awesome Xbox exclusive.
About 18 months ago I took a chance on a 4:3 HDTV. I figured that MOST of the TV I watched was 4:3 anyway. And, since my limitation is width (TV cabinet limitation that is) a little extra height would be okay.
Just this weekend I finally ran 1080i for the first time. I was very happily surprised when my TV showed the image in a letterbox format...I was a little worried that it would just chop off the edges.
So my gamble paid off- I've been enjoying a nice big 4:3 TV for a year and a half...and I am ready when the new Xbox comes out with real HD support.
I am a little disappointed that my TV cannot go to 720p. But, at the time I bought my TV there was a huge difference in cost between a 1080i set, and a 720p set.
One of the latest rumors, was that a dressed up version of Halo 2 (or 2.5, whatever) would be installed on the hard-drive/whatever-memory of the Xbox 2.
Of the 6 million or so people who bought Halo 2 in the opening months...a super-deluxe version in HD with new maps, and an ending would entice at least a million people to buy right away.
Including me.
MX vs. ATV is an HD game...but it looks like ass. Yes, very clear ass, but still ass. I would like to see what the Xbox 2 hardware can do with HD.
Well, the football games have a lot more to them than what is happening on the field. Dynasty mode vs. Franchise mode...things like that.
Take a look at this discussion. There are tons more, just going to look for them.
Saying that the games are the same is like saying that Diablo II and Dungeon Siege are the same game...you just run around and kill things with a sword...
Personally I agree with them, release the product to the PUBLIC not a bunch of journalists sitting in a room!
I want to see the video myself...and not some crap shaky-cam version, I want to see the real thing. I am the guy paying money for the console and the games...show me a little love and give me the first view. Not some tool who writes about videogames for some newspaper in Tampa.
Hell- a B-list celebrity probably has a lot more free time on his hands than I do.
Do you really want to see those tools from Gamespot try to carry a 22 minute show? Those bozos can't keep my attention for more than 10 seconds, even if they do know what they are talking about.
This has to be one of the dumbest comments I have ever seen on Slashdot:
"Please, for the love of God, won't somebody bring back the Sega Genesis/Dreamcast and let people who actually enjoy playing innovative games do just that."
define:innovative - being or producing something like nothing done or experienced or created before
So- if we go BACK in time, and play the same old games, we are being INNOVATIVE?
I see what you are getting at with the Pizza Hut, Taco Bell and KFC comments...
But, Pepsico no longer owns Taco Bell, KFC and Pizza Hut. Those restaurants were spun-off in 1997 to form Tricon. Pepsico wanted to get out of the restaurant business.
Then, when Long John Silvers and the A&W's were added, they changed the name of the company to Yum! Brands.
Am I the only who was totally confused by the title of the article? I thought for sure that Anarchy Online was converting over to sprites for graphics- like some old-school game.
It took me a while before I figured out they meant the soft-drink...oh well.
3 months ago I was very, very excited about the new consoles. And being a big Xbox fan, I was happy that the new Xbox will come out first. I would have bought one on 'opening day,' whenever that may be.
Then I finally signed up for Gamefly- something I have been wanting to do for a long time. And now I see that that the current Xbox has a LOT more legs in it. I will be keeping it for a while, because I have so many games to go through.
Normally (before Gamefly) I would buy games that interested me in the first week they came out. If I didn't get it then, it quickly went off my radar, to be replaced by the 'next big thing.'
Unfortunately I had 3 bad experiences in a row: Call of Duty, NBA Street 3 and Mercenaries. Call of Duty was crap (my opinion), NBA Street was just 'more of the same' (I loved NBA Street 2) and Mercenaries was just...well...boring to me.
But now with Gamefly I have been getting games that I would have previously avoided. I got a few games I didn't like (Super Monkey Ball Deluxe) but I also have gotten some real winners, especially Oddworld: Stranger's Wrath (I enjoyed this game more than any since Metal Arms) and Brothers in Arms. BIA was rated highly, but I was avoiding it because I don't like squad based games...but this one works for me.
So now I have the last 3.5 years of Xbox games to pick and choose from- I'm almost in gaming heaven, for only $20/ month.
The only problem is that I do feel bad about this. I used to like spending the money on buying games because I felt that I was really supporting an industry that gives me tons of entertainment. Now I know that the industry is barely making pennies from me. Less money means fewer games...and really, I don't mind paying for good entertainment if it means more will follow- so this is actually the only downside to the deal.
So my enthusiasm for the next generation has gone down, because hundreds of games that I missed have been opened up to me. Like I said before, I actually feel bad about this, because I want to support the industry. But now I guess I'll benefit by waiting until Xbox 2 drops in price.
But- I would still bought it on day 1 if it included and HD DVD player of some sort- but rumor is that it won't.
Or, if it had backward compatibility...rumor is it won't.
If the controllers are compatible, that would help. I've purchased 4 's' controllers and 2 DDR dance pads...I would hate to lose that investment.
There are tons of other games out there, but for me the 'golden age' of pinball ended in the '90's.
High Speed Guns N Roses and my all-time favorite: Theatre of Magic
I've owned a few pinball machines, and loved them literally to death. That's the problem with these things, they break too easily. I love to find an arcade that has a few machines- they don't even have to be good- as long as the flippers are strong, and the targets all work.
Yeah...I know that Japan isn't in the E.U. That is why I mentioned dollars, euros and yen.
But I was thinking of this as a WORLD-WIDE phenomenon.
The point I was trying to make, was that courts around the world might start to find companies of other nationalities guilty of 'something.' And then slap them with a major fine- hurting the foreign company, and helping their own economy.
"There isn't quite the anticipation that there once was."
Well, that's conjecture really. Your two points are based on your own opinion, not necessarily the reality of the marketplace. The video cards for instance...
Read this story about video card sales (Nvidia specifically). Nvidia had it's biggest (fiscal) year ever, even though it lost market leadership to ATI.
So, if the former number one company had its biggest year ever...and the former number two company has an even BIGGER year- then obviously the market is GROWING. This assumes that the video card market is currently a two-horse race, which it is.
Throughout the year, I have a general idea of my budget. I know that I need to pay my bills, put some money into savings and investments, and still have a little bit left over for fun (and games).
I honestly FORGET about my tax refund until some time in March each year. I sit around thinking to myself "oh crap, I gotta do my taxes.." and then I remember "oh yeah, I'm gonna get back like $4,500!" ($4,712 Federal this year, about half of that for State) So to me, it is a little bit like winning the lottery. This is money I use for a vacation, or some new stuff around the house, or maybe just buying some crap to prepare for the summer.
Obviously I should raise the number of deductions I am taking, but that would take the fun out of it. The extra $500 per month wouldn't really make a big difference to me- (my wife would find some use for it anyway). But getting $5,000 at one time is a big enough chunk of change that I can do something that I would not normally do.
Yes, of course any financial manager in the world would tell me that this is a stupid plan. I should take the money, and put it in a bank, earn interest, etc. etc.
But the problem is- I wouldn't do that. I would take my $500 a month, and spend it it two trips to Costco. I would end up with all sorts of high-end stupid junk I really don't need or want. Instead, once a year the government says "oh...here, this is yours" and I think "oh thanks! and start planning a trip to Hawaii.
So, during the year I am fairly responsible...I save, I invest (yeah, that Krispy Kreme stock was a real winner!) but once a year I get a decent sized check that I can use for anything I want...personally, I like that system even if it is not the smartest thing to do.
It is starting to look that way, which is a good thing. So rather than having to shell out the money for Longhorn just for security, and a little bit of inter-operability, XP owners can hang on for a while longer.
But the real reason, is that Microsoft wants developers to start using these technologies as soon as possible. If they back-port it to XP, there are already millions of potential customers for software built on the foundation. From my point of view, Apple had a tough time at the beginning with OSX. When a new OSX program cameout that would not run under OS 9, we were stuck with the old version. Then, after upgrading to OSX, we were stuck booting back into OS 9 to run a few programs that weren't compatible.
If I can avoid the same thing with the next version of Windows, I'll be happy. (Not as happy as I would be if Natalie Portman let me lick honey off of her body...but happier than if I had to eat chocolate cake from between Rhea Perlman's thighs)
That's because your penis is small. See, I have to use one hand to keep my huge man-member out of the way. Then I only have one free to do any scratching.
So I think that extra hand really would come in hand-y.
Yeah..I was wondering what the heck a 'hand tumor' was. Like some sort of Steven King book, where a hand grows another hand?
Then what, the one on top keeps battling for the mouse? Like two kids fighting over a video game?
But it would be nice to be able to scratch your nuts, and your butt at the same time.
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I spent a lot of time in San Jose in late 1999. I was going to different training classes (Oracle) for my boring, but steady government job. (I'm still here...)
Every place I went people were talking about their fantastic dotcom business plan. I probably heard 2 or 3 'pitches' every morning while eating at the Denny's next to my Motel 6. I had to stay at Motel 6 because every single room at every single hotel (other than Motel 6) was taken. People were coming from all over the place to get in on this revolution.
Dinner, and going out was the same. Even at night-clubs everyone (even the girls) were talking dotcom this or that.
Then my class was actually worse. I was in a room with 19 other students. I was the only non dotcom worker, and the only one not setting his sights on making millions. (I am also probably the only one who still has his/her job.)
I met two people in class who were the 'Head Programmer' in their company, who did not even know SQL- yet they were being entrusted to create the sites that their business plan depended on. Oddly enough, the class was for Oracle Administrators, but there were there to learn how to pull data from a table. That was some sad mis-management.
After about 4 weeks in San Jose, I finally finished up my Oracle training and left town. I felt like I had to shower for a few days just to get all of the dotcom off of me, it was pretty sick. The focus on money, and the thought that people would become rich from a few months work was depressing. Of course I was also bitter that these schmucks were making a lot more money than I was.
Needless to say, I wasn't too upset about the bust.
Tabbed browsing is an over-rated feature for me. All I have to do is look down at my start bar to see the 5 different pages I have open right now. I can click between them any way I want.
Now that may be horrible compared to the love that some people show towards tabs. But there just wasn't any difference to me.
But what I *hate* is the fact that Firefox drops the vertical scroll bar on a page that is too short to need it.
What happens is that those pixels are now part of the page. So when a site has some pages that are long, and some that are short, the vertical scroll bar appears/disappears. If the page is formatted to be centered, this moves the entire page 6 pixels or so. So instead of a header remaining in the same exact spot, it shifts slightly.
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Brothers in Arms- a great first person shooter - is based on historically accurate information. Including arial photographs used to design the roads and villages a player travels on.
I loved the way that Oddworld: Stranger's Wrath handled the point of view. It was an instantaneous switch between first and third person. And both of them were handled very well. You could only shoot in first person, and some fighting moves were third person only- but it worked real well.
Great game - and I loved the flexibility.
Personally, I played just about every FPS released on the PC from 1999 to 2003. And I ended up liking Xbox Halo and Halo 2 a LOT. Sure, a lot of people don't like it, and that is okay. But then again Halo 2 sold over 6 million copies, while Half-Life 2 is languishing around 2 million.
And just think about the difference in installed base of Xbox vs. PC.
Now there must be SOME reason that 6 million people are willing to buy the game. Just because you don't like it, doesn't mean that everyone else shares your opinion. As I said, I played just about EVERY FPS released for about 4 years and I still liked it. Was it the BEST? No...but was it a lot of fun? YES!
Also, you say that the Xbox library is 'riding literally on about 10 top games.'
How do you determine this? What are the top games?
Would it be by the way they are rated? Because on Gamerankings.com I could list 100 games, and still be looking at games in the 84th percentile. Games like Ghost Recon, Prince of Persia: Warrior Within, Return to Castle Wolfenstein, TOCA Race Driver 2 are all sitting in the 80-100 spots. Those are all pretty solid games- with at least 79 games ranked above them.
Or- do you only judge a platform by the exclusives? Because exclusive or not, I can play games like Burnout 3, Crimson Skies, Splinter Cell, etc. etc. on my Xbox. If they are not exclusives, it does not take away my enjoyment at all- it just means that people without Xboxes can play them too.
People that judge a console by exclusive titles usually own Gamecubes. They miss out on things like Brothers in Arms, Burnout 3...and Oddworld: Stranger's Wrath, which was an awesome Xbox exclusive.
About 18 months ago I took a chance on a 4:3 HDTV. I figured that MOST of the TV I watched was 4:3 anyway. And, since my limitation is width (TV cabinet limitation that is) a little extra height would be okay.
Just this weekend I finally ran 1080i for the first time. I was very happily surprised when my TV showed the image in a letterbox format...I was a little worried that it would just chop off the edges.
So my gamble paid off- I've been enjoying a nice big 4:3 TV for a year and a half...and I am ready when the new Xbox comes out with real HD support.
I am a little disappointed that my TV cannot go to 720p. But, at the time I bought my TV there was a huge difference in cost between a 1080i set, and a 720p set.
One of the latest rumors, was that a dressed up version of Halo 2 (or 2.5, whatever) would be installed on the hard-drive/whatever-memory of the Xbox 2.
Of the 6 million or so people who bought Halo 2 in the opening months...a super-deluxe version in HD with new maps, and an ending would entice at least a million people to buy right away.
Including me.
MX vs. ATV is an HD game...but it looks like ass. Yes, very clear ass, but still ass. I would like to see what the Xbox 2 hardware can do with HD.
Half-Life 2 *IS* coming out for the Xbox.
Here is the story.
Well, the football games have a lot more to them than what is happening on the field. Dynasty mode vs. Franchise mode...things like that.
Take a look at this discussion. There are tons more, just going to look for them.
Saying that the games are the same is like saying that Diablo II and Dungeon Siege are the same game...you just run around and kill things with a sword...
I think this is a great move on Microsoft's part.
Personally I agree with them, release the product to the PUBLIC not a bunch of journalists sitting in a room!
I want to see the video myself...and not some crap shaky-cam version, I want to see the real thing. I am the guy paying money for the console and the games...show me a little love and give me the first view. Not some tool who writes about videogames for some newspaper in Tampa.
So who is qualified to review videogames?
Hell- a B-list celebrity probably has a lot more free time on his hands than I do.
Do you really want to see those tools from Gamespot try to carry a 22 minute show? Those bozos can't keep my attention for more than 10 seconds, even if they do know what they are talking about.
This has to be one of the dumbest comments I have ever seen on Slashdot:
"Please, for the love of God, won't somebody bring back the Sega Genesis/Dreamcast and let people who actually enjoy playing innovative games do just that."
define:innovative - being or producing something like nothing done or experienced or created before
So- if we go BACK in time, and play the same old games, we are being INNOVATIVE?
I see what you are getting at with the Pizza Hut, Taco Bell and KFC comments...
But, Pepsico no longer owns Taco Bell, KFC and Pizza Hut. Those restaurants were spun-off in 1997 to form Tricon. Pepsico wanted to get out of the restaurant business.
Then, when Long John Silvers and the A&W's were added, they changed the name of the company to Yum! Brands.
Am I the only who was totally confused by the title of the article? I thought for sure that Anarchy Online was converting over to sprites for graphics- like some old-school game.
It took me a while before I figured out they meant the soft-drink...oh well.
3 months ago I was very, very excited about the new consoles. And being a big Xbox fan, I was happy that the new Xbox will come out first. I would have bought one on 'opening day,' whenever that may be.
Then I finally signed up for Gamefly- something I have been wanting to do for a long time. And now I see that that the current Xbox has a LOT more legs in it. I will be keeping it for a while, because I have so many games to go through.
Normally (before Gamefly) I would buy games that interested me in the first week they came out. If I didn't get it then, it quickly went off my radar, to be replaced by the 'next big thing.'
Unfortunately I had 3 bad experiences in a row: Call of Duty, NBA Street 3 and Mercenaries. Call of Duty was crap (my opinion), NBA Street was just 'more of the same' (I loved NBA Street 2) and Mercenaries was just...well...boring to me.
But now with Gamefly I have been getting games that I would have previously avoided. I got a few games I didn't like (Super Monkey Ball Deluxe) but I also have gotten some real winners, especially Oddworld: Stranger's Wrath (I enjoyed this game more than any since Metal Arms) and Brothers in Arms. BIA was rated highly, but I was avoiding it because I don't like squad based games...but this one works for me.
So now I have the last 3.5 years of Xbox games to pick and choose from- I'm almost in gaming heaven, for only $20/ month.
The only problem is that I do feel bad about this. I used to like spending the money on buying games because I felt that I was really supporting an industry that gives me tons of entertainment. Now I know that the industry is barely making pennies from me. Less money means fewer games...and really, I don't mind paying for good entertainment if it means more will follow- so this is actually the only downside to the deal.
So my enthusiasm for the next generation has gone down, because hundreds of games that I missed have been opened up to me. Like I said before, I actually feel bad about this, because I want to support the industry. But now I guess I'll benefit by waiting until Xbox 2 drops in price.
But- I would still bought it on day 1 if it included and HD DVD player of some sort- but rumor is that it won't.
Or, if it had backward compatibility...rumor is it won't.
If the controllers are compatible, that would help. I've purchased 4 's' controllers and 2 DDR dance pads...I would hate to lose that investment.
There are tons of other games out there, but for me the 'golden age' of pinball ended in the '90's.
High Speed
Guns N Roses
and my all-time favorite:
Theatre of Magic
I've owned a few pinball machines, and loved them literally to death. That's the problem with these things, they break too easily. I love to find an arcade that has a few machines- they don't even have to be good- as long as the flippers are strong, and the targets all work.
Two words: Halo 2
This is all assumption...
I doubt that the people who would actually care enough to boycott would have bought EA games in the first place.
I boycotted Martha Stewart's media empire the entire time she was in prison. And I am boycotting Oprah until she gets below 125 pounds...
Same effect- I never would have bought their crap anyway...but I guess it is a fairly easy way to make a 'statement.'
Yeah...I know that Japan isn't in the E.U. That is why I mentioned dollars, euros and yen.
But I was thinking of this as a WORLD-WIDE phenomenon.
The point I was trying to make, was that courts around the world might start to find companies of other nationalities guilty of 'something.' And then slap them with a major fine- hurting the foreign company, and helping their own economy.
Maybe this is the American court systems payback for the E.U. trying to sue the crap out of Microsoft.
This might be a new way for governments around the world to bring in dollars/euros/yen.
"There isn't quite the anticipation that there once was."
Well, that's conjecture really. Your two points are based on your own opinion, not necessarily the reality of the marketplace. The video cards for instance...
Read this story about video card sales (Nvidia specifically). Nvidia had it's biggest (fiscal) year ever, even though it lost market leadership to ATI.
So, if the former number one company had its biggest year ever...and the former number two company has an even BIGGER year- then obviously the market is GROWING. This assumes that the video card market is currently a two-horse race, which it is.
The tax refund = gift thing is just human nature.
Throughout the year, I have a general idea of my budget. I know that I need to pay my bills, put some money into savings and investments, and still have a little bit left over for fun (and games).
I honestly FORGET about my tax refund until some time in March each year. I sit around thinking to myself "oh crap, I gotta do my taxes.." and then I remember "oh yeah, I'm gonna get back like $4,500!" ($4,712 Federal this year, about half of that for State) So to me, it is a little bit like winning the lottery. This is money I use for a vacation, or some new stuff around the house, or maybe just buying some crap to prepare for the summer.
Obviously I should raise the number of deductions I am taking, but that would take the fun out of it. The extra $500 per month wouldn't really make a big difference to me- (my wife would find some use for it anyway). But getting $5,000 at one time is a big enough chunk of change that I can do something that I would not normally do.
Yes, of course any financial manager in the world would tell me that this is a stupid plan. I should take the money, and put it in a bank, earn interest, etc. etc.
But the problem is- I wouldn't do that. I would take my $500 a month, and spend it it two trips to Costco. I would end up with all sorts of high-end stupid junk I really don't need or want. Instead, once a year the government says "oh...here, this is yours" and I think "oh thanks! and start planning a trip to Hawaii.
So, during the year I am fairly responsible...I save, I invest (yeah, that Krispy Kreme stock was a real winner!) but once a year I get a decent sized check that I can use for anything I want...personally, I like that system even if it is not the smartest thing to do.
It is starting to look that way, which is a good thing. So rather than having to shell out the money for Longhorn just for security, and a little bit of inter-operability, XP owners can hang on for a while longer.
But the real reason, is that Microsoft wants developers to start using these technologies as soon as possible. If they back-port it to XP, there are already millions of potential customers for software built on the foundation. From my point of view, Apple had a tough time at the beginning with OSX. When a new OSX program cameout that would not run under OS 9, we were stuck with the old version. Then, after upgrading to OSX, we were stuck booting back into OS 9 to run a few programs that weren't compatible.
If I can avoid the same thing with the next version of Windows, I'll be happy. (Not as happy as I would be if Natalie Portman let me lick honey off of her body...but happier than if I had to eat chocolate cake from between Rhea Perlman's thighs)
That's because your penis is small. See, I have to use one hand to keep my huge man-member out of the way. Then I only have one free to do any scratching.
So I think that extra hand really would come in hand-y.
Yeah..I was wondering what the heck a 'hand tumor' was. Like some sort of Steven King book, where a hand grows another hand?
Then what, the one on top keeps battling for the mouse? Like two kids fighting over a video game?
But it would be nice to be able to scratch your nuts, and your butt at the same time.
I spent a lot of time in San Jose in late 1999. I was going to different training classes (Oracle) for my boring, but steady government job. (I'm still here...)
Every place I went people were talking about their fantastic dotcom business plan. I probably heard 2 or 3 'pitches' every morning while eating at the Denny's next to my Motel 6. I had to stay at Motel 6 because every single room at every single hotel (other than Motel 6) was taken. People were coming from all over the place to get in on this revolution.
Dinner, and going out was the same. Even at night-clubs everyone (even the girls) were talking dotcom this or that.
Then my class was actually worse. I was in a room with 19 other students. I was the only non dotcom worker, and the only one not setting his sights on making millions. (I am also probably the only one who still has his/her job.)
I met two people in class who were the 'Head Programmer' in their company, who did not even know SQL- yet they were being entrusted to create the sites that their business plan depended on. Oddly enough, the class was for Oracle Administrators, but there were there to learn how to pull data from a table. That was some sad mis-management.
After about 4 weeks in San Jose, I finally finished up my Oracle training and left town. I felt like I had to shower for a few days just to get all of the dotcom off of me, it was pretty sick. The focus on money, and the thought that people would become rich from a few months work was depressing. Of course I was also bitter that these schmucks were making a lot more money than I was.
Needless to say, I wasn't too upset about the bust.
Okay, I guess I am not a nerd. I like IE...
Tabbed browsing is an over-rated feature for me. All I have to do is look down at my start bar to see the 5 different pages I have open right now. I can click between them any way I want.
Now that may be horrible compared to the love that some people show towards tabs. But there just wasn't any difference to me.
But what I *hate* is the fact that Firefox drops the vertical scroll bar on a page that is too short to need it.
What happens is that those pixels are now part of the page. So when a site has some pages that are long, and some that are short, the vertical scroll bar appears/disappears. If the page is formatted to be centered, this moves the entire page 6 pixels or so. So instead of a header remaining in the same exact spot, it shifts slightly.
THAT is annoying.