I was a heavy Mac's and PC's user in 1992 and my father had a brand new Acer 486 that was in the same case which was the Quadra800 case. We had both machines on either side of our desk and they looked symmetrical. The Acer only had 2 Bays to the Quadra800's 3 bays which was for a floppy and a CDROM, but they were nearly the same height
WARNING WARNING WARNING
http://www.zone-h.com/en/news/read/id=3278/
SOBIG.F has an EXTRA PAYLOAD which is COMING SOON. It's not yet RELEASED
but it will be soon.
This is the same story over and over again from Microsoft.
The entire industry of proprietary software is based on control. A company or companies wish to have you pay them money, while they retain control over the entire product. You merely pay them more, continuously, for the use. And when it comes to major bugs in software updates, the "you will pay" philosophy will come to mean more than just cash.
There is no other way to have a safe and reliable system, no matter what the coding ideology behind it, than to have educated sensible users. It's simply not going to improve without that base.
The advantage to OSS of course, is that those educated users can do more with their systems. You're restricted under Windows or MacOS for example, to what those companies wish for you.
There is nothing OSX can do on a beige G3 that Linux can't, and Linux will be ten times more responsive. When it comes to RAM use, Linux leads the way there too.
You could pack the Beige up with RAM and a larger HD along with a top PCI graphics card, and OSX would run to a limited level. You still wouldn't be happy with its performance.
I suggest YDL and a USB/Firewire card to allow use of newer peripherals. If you have enough RAM for Photoshop then you have enough RAM for Linux and just about any other App. Try it, you won't be disappointed.
What you mean to say is that you haven't tried it yourself and just wish to parrot what the world says about it.
A little more maturity and you would see it is an ideal tool.
Re:The best benchmark is the app you're using
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Your argument makes no sense. If you're using a chip that can theoretically hit X GB/sec in bandwidth and comparing it to a chip than can theoretically hit X+1 GB/sec bandwidth, but photoshop (and you should be using The GIMP anyway) runs better on the X GB system, then you're obviously using a flawed analogy.
Wouldn't it be better to then analyse what is making it run worse on the machine which should be capable of X+1 GB/sec and then improve the software to suit.
Just going with the best working solution is really selling yourself short here.
Actually I don't think you understand the predictions very well. Nostrodamus was coming from the background not of Islam but in a society very much in the control of christianity, so the statement
In the City of God there will be a great thunder,
cannot apply to Baghdad, as it's never had great religious significance for christians. It may have been a great city but Nostrodamus would never have described it as a City of God.
Two brothers torn apart by Chaos
Another opposite where the brothers Odai and Qusai were together until death, and even in death they were kept in the same tent. Hardly torn apart. Maybe torn from this world but certainly not from one another.
while the fortress endures, the great leader will succumb
There could be some truth in this. Baghdad has survived and its citizens are a hardy lot. There is a lot of work in rebuilding but it will happen. I believe Saddam will be caught.
The third big war will begin when the big city is burning.
Must hurt you to be in a reality distorted future. look at reality little dude.
G5 machines that are slower than a real dual xeon (available now), more expensive than a real dual xeon (available now) and what did I hear? the "G5" still isn't available yet? how many more months to wait?
Call me from the next future when G5s don't rely on steve faked benchmarks to pretend to be quicker than existing cheaper machines. Existing cheaper machines that WILL be faster by the time the real G5s ship
OK I can't believe the mac world is going gaga over these specs. The screenshot font, color and layout do NOT match that of anywhere else on the Apple site. Taking a look through the specs is also quite revealing
- 1.6GHz, 1.8GHz or Dual 2GHz PowerPC G5 Processors
It's not a G5, it's a PPC970, completely different beasts. Not to mention neither Motorola or IBM have 2GHz chips in their roadmap until 2005. Bzzzt One point impossible
- Up to 1GHz processor bus
1GHz bus? gimme a break. Intel hasn't yet reached this. Two points impossible
- Up to 8GB of DDR SDRAM
This one is acceptable
- Fast Serial ATA hard drives
This is also possible
- AGP 8X Pro graphics options from NVIDIA or ATI
Almost believable, but for the moment Apple are phasing out the use of NVIDIA cards in their machines. I highly doubt they'll be used. Half a point impossible
- Three USB 2.0 ports
The rest of Apples site would say "3 USB Ports" not "Three". Also, Apple have a long standing habit of using Firewire instead of USB 2.0. I take this as one point impossible
- One FireWire 800, two FireWire 400 ports
Once again use of the verbal "One" instead of the numeric. Only one FW800 port? Why would Apple stick with FireWire 400 anyway? I mark this impossible
- Bluetooth & AirPort Extreme ready
Likely
- Optical and analog audio in and out
Bad grammar, but optical audio in a graphics machine? I'm sorry but this sounds like wishful thinking. One more point impossible.
In total, that's 4 and a half impossible features out of ten. If you're waiting on this machine, you'll be waiting a LONG time people.
*That's* what's been missing from Open Source and it's arriving not a moment too soon
It hasn't been missing, it's just been something Mac users wanted. Yes in that sense Open Source is missing a lot, but that is part of its advantage. When it is missing something and people want it, it gets written.
However I will admit that it is exciting to see how things pan out when a creative Mac user brings a native GIMP port to the Mac. The lack of a Mac interface (whatever that is really meant to mean) by design stalwarts has been a sticking point for them to delay adoption of GIMP over other packages. Once that problem is solved there's nothing holding them back. The best of the worlds design community suddenly using an OSS package? You'll know we've come along way when that happens.
Wonder if they'll imagine up another reason to stick with their proprietary hackjob fixes after that.
Now if any company would come and implement CMYK support, colour correction, bleed adjustment, screen angle settings, under colour reduction etc. in the GIMP and also integrate that with a colour matching system that works throughout the whole OS, I'm sure it then could be just as good as Photoshop on the Mac. The problem is no one has done that yet, so it isn't
Thank you for so perfectly proving my point. If you want it done add those features. You have a perfectly free and capable base operating system which needs tweaking. You sound intelligent enough to know what needs doing (You just mentioned the features yourself). You say the problem is no one else has done that yet? If you want it done, DO IT. I'm sorry but if you keep waiting around for someone else to get it done then you will be forever adapting yourself to someone elses fixes.
I am sure there are things Linux excels at where OS X and Windows really look pale
Only because they were needed by people willing to put the effort in, and not run with someone elses solution.
Re:mac vs linux vs windows vs etc.
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Like i said, when Linux is set up by someone who knows what they're doing it will outshine.
What you've said is indicative of wanting the product to suit you, when you should be adapting to your tool. Learn to code, it's really quite simple. Write the drivers you need, and don't expect others to do it for you or expect a piece of software or hardware to just miraculously adapt to your needs.
Using a computer isn't like just turning on a television. Really sometimes I wonder, and think people should be licensed to own a computer before complaining
Unfortunately what one things suits one best isn't often the best tool for the job. I doubt you could find a true system where MS Windows or Mac OS truly outshine Linux when set up by someone who knows what they're doing.
And that's the essence of the evangelism problem.
Take two similar tools such as photoshop and gimp. Is there any way of doing a true comparison on pure quantitative grounds? of course there is. When done this way a clear and obvious superior product shows through. Evangelism is when people use emotions, feelings and wants to defend a product or a platform in irrational ways. People tend to judge a product on how it fits THEM instead of thinking how they should fit it.
Remember a particular piece of software will simply do what it is meant to do. Thinking about it that a system has to adapt to a user is an antiproductive strategy, when the user should be adapting to what the tool can do
I hope nanotech doesn't eventuate for at least another century.
The regulations to ensure it doesn't get out of control aren't in place and I don't see anyone beginning to care much about this for a long time. Read information here
When people are injured by normal technology, they are just injured or killed and the rest of the world moves on. When people will be injured by nanotech, the changes will be small perhaps undetectable even, but could involve controlled changes to things as basic to us as humans as our DNA, the food we eat, and our brain systems
Government rewiring of our brains some day? Can't be too far in the future.
A GPS system working with satellites only has a limited accuracy. Even military ones aren't accurate enough.
Using the same technology with ground based satellite analogs gives the accuracy required.
I think you can extrapolate this data into a correlation with population. Look at the warnings from the 1970s about halting population growth in California, especially west of the San Andreas Faultline. There were no changes, and then an earthquake strikes.
Now the most populated area of the UK is sinking and the rest rising. If you think about it, it is quite logical. The weight of london alone is billions upon billions of tonnes, the building and auto infrastructure, not to mention several million people.
We are having a much greater effect on the planet than anyone could know.
Slashdot Mirror
Red is early alpha development colors
Blue means design complete or late development models, maybe even early production
Green is the traditional final production colours. You'll find after they have been shipping for a while that they'll have green motherboards
I was a heavy Mac's and PC's user in 1992 and my father had a brand new Acer 486 that was in the same case which was the Quadra800 case. We had both machines on either side of our desk and they looked symmetrical. The Acer only had 2 Bays to the Quadra800's 3 bays which was for a floppy and a CDROM, but they were nearly the same height
WARNING WARNING WARNING http://www.zone-h.com/en/news/read/id=3278/ SOBIG.F has an EXTRA PAYLOAD which is COMING SOON. It's not yet RELEASED but it will be soon.
People with a limited mindset often mistake me for a troll.
I merely speak what is truth, and if the thought that I am a troll crosses your mind then that is a fault in your own thinking.
Don't blame me for that
This is the same story over and over again from Microsoft.
The entire industry of proprietary software is based on control. A company or companies wish to have you pay them money, while they retain control over the entire product. You merely pay them more, continuously, for the use. And when it comes to major bugs in software updates, the "you will pay" philosophy will come to mean more than just cash.
There is no other way to have a safe and reliable system, no matter what the coding ideology behind it, than to have educated sensible users. It's simply not going to improve without that base.
The advantage to OSS of course, is that those educated users can do more with their systems. You're restricted under Windows or MacOS for example, to what those companies wish for you.
The best option is to run a flavor of Linux
There is nothing OSX can do on a beige G3 that Linux can't, and Linux will be ten times more responsive. When it comes to RAM use, Linux leads the way there too.
You could pack the Beige up with RAM and a larger HD along with a top PCI graphics card, and OSX would run to a limited level. You still wouldn't be happy with its performance.
I suggest YDL and a USB/Firewire card to allow use of newer peripherals. If you have enough RAM for Photoshop then you have enough RAM for Linux and just about any other App. Try it, you won't be disappointed.
And some slashdot them headline am grammar did die hot death ugh.
The gimp is WORTHLESS for prepress work.
What you mean to say is that you haven't tried it yourself and just wish to parrot what the world says about it.
A little more maturity and you would see it is an ideal tool.
Your argument makes no sense. If you're using a chip that can theoretically hit X GB/sec in bandwidth and comparing it to a chip than can theoretically hit X+1 GB/sec bandwidth, but photoshop (and you should be using The GIMP anyway) runs better on the X GB system, then you're obviously using a flawed analogy.
Wouldn't it be better to then analyse what is making it run worse on the machine which should be capable of X+1 GB/sec and then improve the software to suit.
Just going with the best working solution is really selling yourself short here.
Actually I don't think you understand the predictions very well. Nostrodamus was coming from the background not of Islam but in a society very much in the control of christianity, so the statement
In the City of God there will be a great thunder,
cannot apply to Baghdad, as it's never had great religious significance for christians. It may have been a great city but Nostrodamus would never have described it as a City of God.
Two brothers torn apart by Chaos
Another opposite where the brothers Odai and Qusai were together until death, and even in death they were kept in the same tent. Hardly torn apart. Maybe torn from this world but certainly not from one another.
while the fortress endures, the great leader will succumb
There could be some truth in this. Baghdad has survived and its citizens are a hardy lot. There is a lot of work in rebuilding but it will happen. I believe Saddam will be caught.
The third big war will begin when the big city is burning.
The war is over dude.
*yawn*
Must hurt you to be in a reality distorted future. look at reality little dude.
G5 machines that are slower than a real dual xeon (available now), more expensive than a real dual xeon (available now) and what did I hear? the "G5" still isn't available yet? how many more months to wait?
Call me from the next future when G5s don't rely on steve faked benchmarks to pretend to be quicker than existing cheaper machines. Existing cheaper machines that WILL be faster by the time the real G5s ship
*yawn*
I was modded down within a minute of posting that comment
Kind of proves my point doesn't it
I wonder when the first mac user will claim a G5 should be on the list Typical bigoted zealots.
*yawn*
slower than a real dual xeon (available now), more expensive than a real dual xeon (available now) and
What did I hear? the "G5" still isn't available yet? how many more months to wait?
*yawn*
I don't see a 1GHz bus on that motherboard.
OK I can't believe the mac world is going gaga over these specs. The screenshot font, color and layout do NOT match that of anywhere else on the Apple site. Taking a look through the specs is also quite revealing
- 1.6GHz, 1.8GHz or Dual 2GHz PowerPC G5 Processors
It's not a G5, it's a PPC970, completely different beasts. Not to mention neither Motorola or IBM have 2GHz chips in their roadmap until 2005. Bzzzt One point impossible
- Up to 1GHz processor bus
1GHz bus? gimme a break. Intel hasn't yet reached this. Two points impossible
- Up to 8GB of DDR SDRAM
This one is acceptable
- Fast Serial ATA hard drives
This is also possible
- AGP 8X Pro graphics options from NVIDIA or ATI
Almost believable, but for the moment Apple are phasing out the use of NVIDIA cards in their machines. I highly doubt they'll be used. Half a point impossible
- Three USB 2.0 ports
The rest of Apples site would say "3 USB Ports" not "Three". Also, Apple have a long standing habit of using Firewire instead of USB 2.0. I take this as one point impossible
- One FireWire 800, two FireWire 400 ports
Once again use of the verbal "One" instead of the numeric. Only one FW800 port? Why would Apple stick with FireWire 400 anyway? I mark this impossible
- Bluetooth & AirPort Extreme ready
Likely
- Optical and analog audio in and out
Bad grammar, but optical audio in a graphics machine? I'm sorry but this sounds like wishful thinking. One more point impossible.
In total, that's 4 and a half impossible features out of ten. If you're waiting on this machine, you'll be waiting a LONG time people.
*That's* what's been missing from Open Source and it's arriving not a moment too soon
It hasn't been missing, it's just been something Mac users wanted. Yes in that sense Open Source is missing a lot, but that is part of its advantage. When it is missing something and people want it, it gets written.
However I will admit that it is exciting to see how things pan out when a creative Mac user brings a native GIMP port to the Mac. The lack of a Mac interface (whatever that is really meant to mean) by design stalwarts has been a sticking point for them to delay adoption of GIMP over other packages. Once that problem is solved there's nothing holding them back. The best of the worlds design community suddenly using an OSS package? You'll know we've come along way when that happens.
Wonder if they'll imagine up another reason to stick with their proprietary hackjob fixes after that.
Now if any company would come and implement CMYK support, colour correction, bleed adjustment, screen angle settings, under colour reduction etc. in the GIMP and also integrate that with a colour matching system that works throughout the whole OS, I'm sure it then could be just as good as Photoshop on the Mac. The problem is no one has done that yet, so it isn't
Thank you for so perfectly proving my point. If you want it done add those features. You have a perfectly free and capable base operating system which needs tweaking. You sound intelligent enough to know what needs doing (You just mentioned the features yourself). You say the problem is no one else has done that yet? If you want it done, DO IT. I'm sorry but if you keep waiting around for someone else to get it done then you will be forever adapting yourself to someone elses fixes.
I am sure there are things Linux excels at where OS X and Windows really look pale
Only because they were needed by people willing to put the effort in, and not run with someone elses solution.
Like i said, when Linux is set up by someone who knows what they're doing it will outshine. What you've said is indicative of wanting the product to suit you, when you should be adapting to your tool. Learn to code, it's really quite simple. Write the drivers you need, and don't expect others to do it for you or expect a piece of software or hardware to just miraculously adapt to your needs. Using a computer isn't like just turning on a television. Really sometimes I wonder, and think people should be licensed to own a computer before complaining
Unfortunately what one things suits one best isn't often the best tool for the job. I doubt you could find a true system where MS Windows or Mac OS truly outshine Linux when set up by someone who knows what they're doing.
And that's the essence of the evangelism problem.
Take two similar tools such as photoshop and gimp. Is there any way of doing a true comparison on pure quantitative grounds? of course there is. When done this way a clear and obvious superior product shows through. Evangelism is when people use emotions, feelings and wants to defend a product or a platform in irrational ways. People tend to judge a product on how it fits THEM instead of thinking how they should fit it.
Remember a particular piece of software will simply do what it is meant to do. Thinking about it that a system has to adapt to a user is an antiproductive strategy, when the user should be adapting to what the tool can do
I hope nanotech doesn't eventuate for at least another century. The regulations to ensure it doesn't get out of control aren't in place and I don't see anyone beginning to care much about this for a long time. Read information here When people are injured by normal technology, they are just injured or killed and the rest of the world moves on. When people will be injured by nanotech, the changes will be small perhaps undetectable even, but could involve controlled changes to things as basic to us as humans as our DNA, the food we eat, and our brain systems Government rewiring of our brains some day? Can't be too far in the future.
A GPS system working with satellites only has a limited accuracy. Even military ones aren't accurate enough. Using the same technology with ground based satellite analogs gives the accuracy required.
I think you can extrapolate this data into a correlation with population. Look at the warnings from the 1970s about halting population growth in California, especially west of the San Andreas Faultline. There were no changes, and then an earthquake strikes.
Now the most populated area of the UK is sinking and the rest rising. If you think about it, it is quite logical. The weight of london alone is billions upon billions of tonnes, the building and auto infrastructure, not to mention several million people.
We are having a much greater effect on the planet than anyone could know.
Just make a graphics card with more transistors and drop the traditional processor..."
Apple have done this several years ago. The Newton 2000 and 2100 didn't use a CPU but rather the graphics processor.
You could have placed that link in your original post.