Totally decentralized chat! Awesome! We've needed this for a very long time, and I don't know why it's taken so long to put together. Not that I'm complaining. Soon as there's a Flash applet that'll handle the protocol, we're in business. I hope this is widely adopted.
If everyone stopped signing things they didn't understand, laws would stop being made, the economy would screech to a halt, and business would have to totally rethink the way it does... well, business.
Piss on the people who have been using the distro forever a little more, why doncha?
Re:Q: Why hasn't Mozilla considered a Firefox OS?
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It has been done. The project is in Freshmeat. It was promptly started in 02 or 03 I believe, and abandoned, like most other somewhat interesting projects there. In fact, if memory serves, there may have actually been two of them around the same era. Both long dead. The reason being (as usual) that people on Freshmeat and similar sites would rather tell you how much of a dick you are for trying something interesting, than paying any attention to how novel your project is. At the time, this was revolutionary stuff. Did anyone care? No, of course not. The only time anyone cares about anything Open Source is when there's a marketing budget behind it.
Be that as it may, the Mozilla OS project(s) I vaguely remember were true browser as a platform for desktop style gui projects, ala 'let's build a whole desktop environment in XUL' type stuff. What Microsoft is proposing is not a true browser as a platform system. Closest thing to browser as a platform that's in active development now is Chromium, which looks nothing like Windows 8. Sure, it's nice that Microsoft has finally gotten their head out of their ass with hypertext apps. This has been coming since Windows 95, though, and I'm not seeing anything really all that new in it except compatibility. But if you're going to be least bit critical about it, that's something that should have existed all along.
It's temporary. You're looking at a win fall for the big carriers for five years, at the most.
The minute Google rolls out with unmetered gigabit networking nationwide in the 2017-2019 time frame, the conventional carriers will cease to exist. It's coming, and it'll change the way the internet works in the US.
Caps might seem like a good idea in the short term, but all it's doing is pissing off the broadband users. Pissed off users will switch the second they can to the first carrier that decides not to do it.
Just look how well capping and throttling is going for Clear Wireless. Have you seen their Fan page lately? It would be funny if it weren't so sad.
I say let them cap network usage. It's their collective funeral.
Just configuration files in both cases, I believe. As I recall, they hacked nintendo because they like them, and they wanted to make sure that they were secure.
Kind of odd, but okay. Whatever works.
Seems to me though, that if they wanted to help... why not hack into nintendo, and then secure the os and server?
That would be funny.
All of these hacker groups have split personalities.
Even so, nothing short of a full audit of these systems will uncover anything. If you're announcing that you're going to be doing it, you're giving people time to figure out how to be creative in evading the robots. It's just mind boggling to me that they would even try something like this.
I think the funniest part about all this is that Javascript/HTML 5 apps can be done now. Windows has had this capability as early as Windows 98, and it's in wide use. It's called a hypertext application or HTA.
Sure, this is the first time MS has allowed you to build OS widgets with it, but the technology has been around since the earth cooled.
Over the years, I've written some huge hta apps. It's documented pretty well now, but when I was doing it the docs just didn't exist.
I found myself referring to the SunOne ASP documentation for ideas on how to get Javascript to work with activeX.
Jscript.net has also been around for awhile. Jscript.net ties Javascript directly into the.Net framework.
Anyway, it's not a bad way to write apps. As a Javascript developer, my biggest complaint with Microsoft over this is that they've created this amazing interface for building apps that they themselves don't even take seriously.
Now they're taking it seriously, and the silver light developers are screaming because they're afraid that Microsoft will deprecate them the way they did the old VB developers? Well, that was a given. If it doesn't happen today, it'll happen tomorrow..Net will eventually (probably not soon) be replaced with something new just like COM was. These are things we know and understand. Backwards compatibility and logical progression are not in the interests of a company that has to produce the latest greatest thing in order to get by. I don't know why people find this so shocking.
Anyway, bully for them on finally promoting this thing that's existed in Windows forever. In my view, this has been a long time coming.
Anyone remember the death of VB, ASP, and COM circa 2001? I'm pretty sure I predicted something like this.
There was some outcry then, but a lot of us really felt shafted over the thing. Those of us that were smart realized there was no future in being a Microsoft Evangelist..Net is different though. It's survived longer than I ever thought it would. That's for certain. Four major incarnations now, and I never saw it going past three.
The Microsoft Evangelists need to understand one key point. You just don't matter to them.
Otherwise, they would have a problem making you obsolete, and/or forcing you to re-educate yourself. It's obvious that they don't.
So why not pick up a real platform? Broaden your horizons a little? Make yourself an asset, rather than just a member of the crowd?
Easier said than done, or any number of other excuses, I'm sure.
They're not. All studies have shown that they stifle innovation to the tune of setting us back 20 years or so. Take touch screens, for example. Innovation in them didn't even start until the initial patents expired. This isn't uncommon.
This whole thing though, is stinks of SCO style tactics... in my opinion.
Not the first time this has been proposed. I know things like this have been talked about in Google, and proposed by bloggers before.
The first time I saw this proposed was here at Slashdot, circa 1999/2000. A Cnet article that proposed exactly the same thing, I believe. I would be hard pressed to produce the article. The search function here has improved, but it's still not especially grand for finding anything old and useful.
Anyway, my guess as why it hasn't happened would be that Google is ad supported and it's difficult to get children to buy things on their own.
I don't actually know. Please feel free to call me an idiot, but aren't there already sites that do this outside the scope and depth of Google?
Slashdot Mirror
Wow, so you've got takers.
That's impressive.
I like monkeys.
where can I find the parody pictures?
Totally decentralized chat! Awesome! We've needed this for a very long time, and I don't know why it's taken so long to put together. Not that I'm complaining. Soon as there's a Flash applet that'll handle the protocol, we're in business. I hope this is widely adopted.
Is it possible that this press release is a fake? A dupe? Evidence of an Anonymous attack on the RIAA?
This is what happens when you don't think about security when you build your apps and servers.
Yeah, I'm gonna need you to come in on the weekend... um, yeah...
If everyone stopped signing things they didn't understand, laws would stop being made, the economy would screech to a halt, and business would have to totally rethink the way it does... well, business.
I bet it sells for more than myspace does.
I don't know Atlanta Steve.
I'm trying not to be a wise ass, but have you seen Mint lately?
Compared to Ubuntu 11, it's freaking rocket science.
Piss on the people who have been using the distro forever a little more, why doncha?
It has been done. The project is in Freshmeat. It was promptly started in 02 or 03 I believe, and abandoned, like most other somewhat interesting projects there. In fact, if memory serves, there may have actually been two of them around the same era. Both long dead. The reason being (as usual) that people on Freshmeat and similar sites would rather tell you how much of a dick you are for trying something interesting, than paying any attention to how novel your project is. At the time, this was revolutionary stuff. Did anyone care? No, of course not. The only time anyone cares about anything Open Source is when there's a marketing budget behind it.
Be that as it may, the Mozilla OS project(s) I vaguely remember were true browser as a platform for desktop style gui projects, ala 'let's build a whole desktop environment in XUL' type stuff. What Microsoft is proposing is not a true browser as a platform system. Closest thing to browser as a platform that's in active development now is Chromium, which looks nothing like Windows 8. Sure, it's nice that Microsoft has finally gotten their head out of their ass with hypertext apps. This has been coming since Windows 95, though, and I'm not seeing anything really all that new in it except compatibility. But if you're going to be least bit critical about it, that's something that should have existed all along.
I remain skeptical.
It's temporary. You're looking at a win fall for the big carriers for five years, at the most.
The minute Google rolls out with unmetered gigabit networking nationwide in the 2017-2019 time frame, the conventional carriers will cease to exist. It's coming, and it'll change the way the internet works in the US.
Caps might seem like a good idea in the short term, but all it's doing is pissing off the broadband users. Pissed off users will switch the second they can to the first carrier that decides not to do it.
Just look how well capping and throttling is going for Clear Wireless.
Have you seen their Fan page lately? It would be funny if it weren't so sad.
I say let them cap network usage.
It's their collective funeral.
Just configuration files in both cases, I believe.
As I recall, they hacked nintendo because they like them, and they wanted to make sure that they were secure.
Kind of odd, but okay.
Whatever works.
Seems to me though, that if they wanted to help... why not hack into nintendo, and then secure the os and server?
That would be funny.
All of these hacker groups have split personalities.
Even so, nothing short of a full audit of these systems will uncover anything.
If you're announcing that you're going to be doing it, you're giving people time to figure out how to be creative in evading the robots.
It's just mind boggling to me that they would even try something like this.
But I am. Have been for months.
It's fun and easy kicks for the whole family, and it sure beats going through the trouble of doing things properly.
I think the funniest part about all this is that Javascript/HTML 5 apps can be done now.
Windows has had this capability as early as Windows 98, and it's in wide use. It's called a hypertext application or HTA.
Sure, this is the first time MS has allowed you to build OS widgets with it, but the technology has been around since the earth cooled.
Over the years, I've written some huge hta apps.
It's documented pretty well now, but when I was doing it the docs just didn't exist.
I found myself referring to the SunOne ASP documentation for ideas on how to get Javascript to work with activeX.
Jscript.net has also been around for awhile. Jscript.net ties Javascript directly into the .Net framework.
Anyway, it's not a bad way to write apps.
As a Javascript developer, my biggest complaint with Microsoft over this is that they've created this amazing interface for building apps that they themselves don't even take seriously.
Now they're taking it seriously, and the silver light developers are screaming because they're afraid that Microsoft will deprecate them the way they did the old VB developers? Well, that was a given. If it doesn't happen today, it'll happen tomorrow. .Net will eventually (probably not soon) be replaced with something new just like COM was. These are things we know and understand. Backwards compatibility and logical progression are not in the interests of a company that has to produce the latest greatest thing in order to get by. I don't know why people find this so shocking.
Anyway, bully for them on finally promoting this thing that's existed in Windows forever.
In my view, this has been a long time coming.
For useful information on how to develop Javascript apps that have full run of the windows system, check out Microsoft HTA over at technet.
http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/scriptcenter/dd742317
Regards,
-Me
So?
Anyone remember the death of VB, ASP, and COM circa 2001?
I'm pretty sure I predicted something like this.
There was some outcry then, but a lot of us really felt shafted over the thing. .Net is different though. It's survived longer than I ever thought it would. That's for certain. Four major incarnations now, and I never saw it going past three.
Those of us that were smart realized there was no future in being a Microsoft Evangelist.
The Microsoft Evangelists need to understand one key point.
You just don't matter to them.
Otherwise, they would have a problem making you obsolete, and/or forcing you to re-educate yourself.
It's obvious that they don't.
So why not pick up a real platform?
Broaden your horizons a little?
Make yourself an asset, rather than just a member of the crowd?
Easier said than done, or any number of other excuses, I'm sure.
Dude, I wouldn't wish any incarnation of VI on my worst enemy.
I'm sorry but aren't there already enough damn unions in San Francisco? Jesus...
I wonder what this program would do to my extensive volume of email.
I've got thousands of emails going back over a decade.
Would love to see where the correlations are.
They're not. All studies have shown that they stifle innovation to the tune of setting us back 20 years or so.
Take touch screens, for example. Innovation in them didn't even start until the initial patents expired. This isn't uncommon.
This whole thing though, is stinks of SCO style tactics... in my opinion.
Not the first time this has been proposed. I know things like this have been talked about in Google, and proposed by bloggers before.
The first time I saw this proposed was here at Slashdot, circa 1999/2000. A Cnet article that proposed exactly the same thing, I believe.
I would be hard pressed to produce the article. The search function here has improved, but it's still not especially grand for finding anything old and useful.
Anyway, my guess as why it hasn't happened would be that Google is ad supported and it's difficult to get children to buy things on their own.
I don't actually know. Please feel free to call me an idiot, but aren't there already sites that do this outside the scope and depth of Google?
Just don't buy shirts from Walmart. No matter what size you get, it'll be cut like a mumu.
Yeah, but I'm sure all your exes are vindictive whores to begin with.