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LulzSec Offers to Take Revenge On Sega Hackers

An anonymous reader writes "Sega Corp joins the ranks of video game companies to be hacked in recent time with one small twist, it seems LulzSec was not behind this one. They reached to Sega's official twitter account and offered to destroy the hackers that attacked them. From the article: 'In its offer to assist Sega, the Tweet from Lulz hinted that its leaders might count themselves among a small but highly loyal group of gamers who still play on the aging Dreamcast console. "Sega - contact us," Lulz said in its Tweet to the video game developer. "We want to help you destroy the hackers that attacked you. We love the Dreamcast, these people are going down."'"

244 comments

  1. Am I the only one? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Am I the only person who thinks that LulzSec is way out of line? It appalls me how much press coverage they get, and for what, exactly? Giving a lot of hard-working people a hell of a lot more grief than they deserve? LulzSec is not Anonymous, who at least pretends to have a purpose, and they shouldn't be treated as such. They are doing it purely for the "Lulz" and don't deserve any more recognition than they already gain from their twitter feed.

    They will be caught eventually, and when they are, I sincerely hope something terrible happens to them.

    1. Re:Am I the only one? by gilesjuk · · Score: 2

      It could end up that large organisations will have to pay lots of money to hire these sort of people and they will be only available to the highest bidder.

    2. Re:Am I the only one? by rtfa-troll · · Score: 5, Insightful

      LulzSec is not Anonymous, who at least pretends to have a purpose, and they shouldn't be treated as such.

      Ah yes; Because "Anonymous" says it, it must be true.

      They are doing it purely for the "Lulz" and don't deserve any more recognition than they already gain from their twitter feed.

      They will be caught eventually, and when they are, I sincerely hope something terrible happens to them.

      Maybe, five years ago, because they released other people's data, I could be persuaded to agree with you. Now, we have the situation where most cracking is taking place in private. If LulzSec is taking advantage of a breach for the "Lulz" then someone else has already done the same for money, profit and crime. Clearly the hacker crackdown and all the associated arrests of people for public hacking have been counter-productive. Without people like Lulz, we would never really see how bad the security is in the various big companies. Sure, if they get caught they deserve a slap on the wrist, mostly for the stupdity of getting caught. The people who should be punished are the people running the companies they hack (a bit) and the people providing security and operating systems to those people (lots). I really don't see the point in punishing people just because they make a public noise about what they did.

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    3. Re:Am I the only one? by Palmsie · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I actually think just the opposite. The origins of the hacker spirit have long been washed away. Lulz is exposing a lot of things people don't like to hear - that all you thought was secure was in fact not at all (SQL injections anyone?). This is especially important as end-user services move to the cloud. Innovation is a result of people like Lulz forcing otherwise complacent experts to upgrade their infrastructure. We need more people like them imho. If the people who worked for these companies were so hard working Lulz wouldn't be breaking into them on an almost daily basis. I'm glad they don't have a purpose, they don't need one either. Some men just want to watch the world burn (I couldn't resist).

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    4. Re:Am I the only one? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hard-working? Or incompetent and unable to run a sufficiently secure system?

    5. Re:Am I the only one? by Vahokif · · Score: 1

      ...Anonymous, who at least pretends to have a purpose, and they shouldn't be treated as such. They are doing it purely for the "Lulz"

      You really don't know anything about Anonymous do you?

    6. Re:Am I the only one? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      LulzSec is not Anonymous

      Actually, they are. Well, they were.
      But they disassociated themselves from Anonymous to go after alternative goals.

      They are exactly the same groups of people from Anonymous activists, just one of the more knowledgeable and daring sub-groups.

    7. Re:Am I the only one? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Doing something for the lulz is so much worse than doing it for money, huh?

    8. Re:Am I the only one? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      LulzSec is not Anonymous, who at least pretends to have a purpose, and they shouldn't be treated as such. They are doing it purely for the "Lulz" and don't deserve any more recognition than they already gain from their twitter feed.

      Back in the day, this sort of random discrimination and griefing the the lulz was exactly what Anonymous did, then it turned into some crusade for political causes. LulzSec is more like the Anonymous of yesterday than the Anonymous of today is.

    9. Re:Am I the only one? by DrBoumBoum · · Score: 5, Interesting
      Am I the only one to find them funny? I mean they're a change from Anonymous and their oh-so-serious "we don't forget, expect us" bullshit. Well I can't help but giggle at their seemingly random, no-head-and-tail string of attacks. They are doing it purely for the "Lulz" and do appear quite good at what they're doing.

      They will be caught eventually, and when they are, I sincerely hope something terrible happens to them.

      Man you should chill out a bit and keep your anger directed towards Cheney, his banker friends and the likes who actually screw you up the ass, not a bunch of teenagers playing some high-profile pranks.

    10. Re:Am I the only one? by twidarkling · · Score: 1

      Anyone who has respect for these pathetic assholes deserves to be raped in prison right along side of them.

      *snerk* Big words coming from an AC. The biggest problem with your righteous indignation is that point right there. Last I checked, it wasn't illegal anywhere to respect anyone. It is, however, illegal to rape someone, even in prison. So basically, because someone thinks something you don't agree with, you're wishing harm, personal violation of the most intimate sort, and an illegal act on to someone. Pretty sure that makes you either in Stalin's camp, or Hitler's.

      And for the record, I do respect Lulzsec for doing this shit for the reasons they've stated - for the lulz - rather than trying to hide it behind any slacktivist bullshit, or "for the good of the community" malarkey. Do I agree with what they're doing? No. But I respect their straightforward nature. They're here for a good time, not a long time.

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    11. Re:Am I the only one? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      keep your anger directed towards Cheney, his banker friends and the likes who actually screw

      You mean the same "banker" friends of Obama (Soros, Geitner et al)? How is that "hope and change" working for you? I've seen changes, but no hope. And dude, Cheney hasn't been in office over two years, get a new horse to ride.

    12. Re:Am I the only one? by Lifyre · · Score: 1

      If there is no skill in what they do then what does that say about the companies and organizations that they're compromising?

      1) They're exposing weaknesses (some of which are irrelevant) in organizations and their security. Which if it takes no skill then what they hell are they paying the "security" guys for?
      2)They're doing it in a highly visible and sensationalistic way.

      I think they will accomplish more to getting IT security taken seriously than any other method to date has. I don't necessarily like their methods or how they choose they're targets but I think they will be quite successful at scaring the pants out of complacent or ignorant CEOs. It honestly sounds to me like you're angry that they're doing it and you aren't, either because you can't or they're doing it better.

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    13. Re:Am I the only one? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No. I hope these idiots get taken down and world war doesn't erupt because of it. The world doesn't need these assholes fucking with it. Die lulzsec.

    14. Re:Am I the only one? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Well I can't help but giggle at their seemingly random, no-head-and-tail string of attacks.

      You have a very low threshold for comedy. If you ever watch Blackadder, make sure you were a corset.

    15. Re:Am I the only one? by RobbieThe1st · · Score: 1

      Mod parent up!
      While I can't condone their actions, I see them as the canary in the coal mine: If we just ignore their message, China or some other country will be the next one to do it, and they'll do a *lot* worse.

    16. Re:Am I the only one? by MysteriousPreacher · · Score: 1

      Anon was going downhill when they got in to the whole purpose thing. Better to have stuck with being the IHM. Trying to turn a bunch of people out for lulz in to moral crusaders would make as much sense as Jimbo waking up one morning and telling Wikipedia editors that they're switching to writing erotic Star Trek fan fiction.

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    17. Re:Am I the only one? by MysteriousPreacher · · Score: 1

      This recurring prison rape fantasy is telling. Want to take seat and talk about it, or would it be more comfortable to remain standing?

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    18. Re:Am I the only one? by westlake · · Score: 2

      Man you should chill out a bit and keep your anger directed towards Cheney, his banker friends and the likes who actually screw you up the ass, not a bunch of teenagers playing some high-profile pranks.

      No one is making any fine distinctions anymore between white hat and black hat. People don't care about the hacker's causes. They don't care if he is out for a laugh or going for the gold.

      What they do care about is that he is getting in their way.

    19. Re:Am I the only one? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Very transparent attempt at trolling there, "angry that they're doing it and you aren't." That's funny. Why exactly would anyone who is a functioning human being with social skills want to buy up botnets and flood a Minecraft login server for the "lulz," exactly? That's right, they wouldn't. Only an antisocial, middle-class loser with disposable income would want to do that, and that's what Lulzsec are. No, buying access to a botnet and directing it to DDoS a server doesn't require skill, it just requires money and the ability to read. Incidentally, I'd like to hear you Lulzsuck losers explain how flooding a server with a DDoS is exposing a security vulnerability, seeing as how every computer attached to the Internet is vulnerable to being flooded by purchased botnets?

      It honestly sounds to me like you're just a sympathiser who has fallen for their shtick but doesn't have a fucking clue. In fact it honestly sounds to me like you were raped by your father. Hey, if we're going to make wild assumptions about people that we've never met, why not go the whole nine yards? It honestly sounds to me like you're a a frustrated pedophile who's been court-ordered to stay away from primary schools and playgrounds, how's that for you /b/tard?

      Go ahead and think up some clever, witty retort, I won't be waiting to hear it. You have nothing of value to contribute, just like your pathetic and lonely Lulzsuck pals on IRC.

    20. Re:Am I the only one? by AngryDeuce · · Score: 2

      I think Anonymous and Lulzsec are going to be our shock troops in the inevitable cyber war that will soon be breaking out. Right now they are pissing a lot of people off, but at the end of the day, the only reason they are effective at what they do is because of laziness, greed, and ignorance when it comes to internet security. It's shocking to me how many of these huge billion dollar companies are doing stupid crap like storing customer information in plaintext files. I mean, that's just ridiculous, and honestly, I'd rather people looking for lulz get a hold of that data than some scumbag Eastern European Identity Thief that is going to take out credit cards in my name and all sorts of other garbage.

    21. Re:Am I the only one? by AngryDeuce · · Score: 2

      Yeah, those same friends, too. Money has been perverting our political process since the origin of this country, and until we find a way to divorce the power the super wealthy people (and corporations that are now legally people thanks to the abomination that was the Citizens United ruling) our government will NEVER represent the will of the people.

      I really don't care which side of the aisle you're on, if you're taking money from lobbyists, you're taking bribes.

    22. Re:Am I the only one? by artor3 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Fuck off with your false equivalencies. Soros? Really? The only people who complain about him are the out-to-lunch right-wing conspiracy theorists regurgitating what they heard last week on Rush Limbaugh.

      You want change? How about credit card companies no longer being allowed to charge outrageous fees to small business retailers, or change due dates with minimal notice and crank up interest rates when you miss them? How about increased regulation on derivatives and a bureau dedicated to protecting consumers from abusive lenders -- of course, your boys in red are doing absolutely everything they can to kill that one in the cradle.

      And by the way, since when is two years so long that we should forget the immeasurable harm Cheney and Bush and the rest of those scumbags did? Hell, you fuckers were saying "it's in the past, forget about it" three months after Obama's inauguration, while simultaneously trying to blame the recession on Clinton. I'll tell you what, I'll forgive Bush and crew once we're done paying the price of his fuckups. So maybe in thirty years. If we're really lucky.

    23. Re:Am I the only one? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, for a start, they're sort of... extortionists (see: the Unveillance statement). You might find that funny. I dunno.

    24. Re:Am I the only one? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Most people don't seem to understand that they don't care what you think one way or the other. They would have to think there is a line in the first place to be "way out of." They do not share your ideas of right and wrong. How you fail to understand this despite it being reiterated time and again is sort of astonishing.

      Once you stop being so appalled, you may end up actually being able to understand a viewpoint other than your own. You don't have to share it, but you probably should understand it. It's a helpful skill in life, though I know understanding can feel much less viscerally satisfying than the self-righteousness that you are currently gorging on.

    25. Re:Am I the only one? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Exposing people's usernames and passwords isn't just "something people don't like to hear." It's criminal. Yes, crime drives a lot of innovation...doesn't make the crooks heroes.

    26. Re:Am I the only one? by CFTM · · Score: 1

      Right, trolling, erm I think that's you my friend. And I'd guess you're also the AC who went on a rant about how anyone who respects these folks ought to be "raped right alongside them". Last I checked, two wrong's don't make a right....

      But hey, keep posting as an AC trolling this forum to hell! No skin off my back....

      Also, I'd suggest dealing with your own repressed issues, because clearly you have many otherwise you wouldn't be ranting as an AC about something that is completely and utterly outside your control. People like Lulzsec have always and will always exist, and it's best to just ignore them and move along with your life.

      Maybe the goatse trolls arn't so bad afterall....

    27. Re:Am I the only one? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why is exposing vulnerability such a great thing? Hell, I can expose vulnerability. Just give me a baseball bat, and I can teach plenty of people they're idiots for daring to go through life w/o full body armor, or self-defense classes. Hell, add a hockey mask and I'm also anonymous. And yet lulz is doing a service (of shorts) whereas beating people up is an evil act that virtually no one will condone. Wonder if it's because nerds have been traumatized by physical assault, but not by computer hackery.

    28. Re:Am I the only one? by MikeBabcock · · Score: 1

      You're not the only one, but Lulz and Anon are trying to create an oppressive regime of their own (perhaps unwittingly) where people are afraid to criticize their actions for fear of reprisal.

      Sadly, this is completely counter to what some people believe they stand for.

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    29. Re:Am I the only one? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Around here, I'm not complaining. It has replaced all the Assange stories. I swear, for a while there we were getting three stories a day: "Julian Assange picked his nose today and said he is being set up", "Julian Assange ate a bagel for breakfast today", "Julian hasn't done anything of note in the last several days, so we'll put up a story about what other people have said about him", etc.

    30. Re:Am I the only one? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Pretty sure left-wing activists complain about Soros too.

    31. Re:Am I the only one? by iiiears · · Score: 1

      Easier to legislate than innovate. Cheaper to buy a legislator than a single data center.

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    32. Re:Am I the only one? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If wikipedia turned back into porn... that might make sense

    33. Re:Am I the only one? by iiiears · · Score: 1

      Is your disassembler and fuzzer signed and licensed?

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    34. Re:Am I the only one? by iiiears · · Score: 1

      It is change but so was neutering Glass-Steagall. Still no change in the futures markets or credit default swaps..l

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    35. Re:Am I the only one? by localman · · Score: 1

      This is why I go around town knifing tires. To show how poor security is.

      No, sorry, I don't buy it. I agree with the original poster - I hope something terrible happens to them. If they have the skills to do this, they could find something much better to do. Vandals don't deserve any respect or support.

    36. Re:Am I the only one? by localman · · Score: 1

      I look forward to the day when, thanks to LulzSec, everyone needs to have three-factor authentication for every website and a full 20% of the cost of all goods goes towards security.

      I've lived in places where everyone has bars on the windows and razor wire fences around their propert. It's not a net win for society. Read up on the Broken Window Fallacy.

    37. Re:Am I the only one? by localman · · Score: 1

      keep your anger directed towards Cheney

      Why? I got plenty! I'm the Rockefeller of outrage!

    38. Re:Am I the only one? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're not the only one. They're out of line, idiotic children with too much time on their hands and too much access to Mommy's PC. They should be arrested, locked up, and raped 5x daily until they cannot walk. I don't care what anyone thinks of me for saying so. I hate them and they are ruining lives.

    39. Re:Am I the only one? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Understanding is a three-edged sword.

    40. Re:Am I the only one? by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Well, let's look at the damage they have done. Sony's online gaming platform has been down for a while. EvE was under pressure. Aside of that, and maybe I have missed something, no real damage was done. A lot was compromised, but so far I can't remember a single report of a credit card that has been used illegally, I can't remember and "real" damage, real meaning monetary damage to any user of any of the services mentioned.

      The only ones that actually suffered damages were companies. Companies who failed to secure their servers properly. And while it's not an excuse for the actions, as the GP said the damage could have been WAY worse if someone with financial interest in the information stolen were the first to crack through the paper thin fig leave shade of security in place.

      I want to be blunt and not so friendly here. I work in security. And believe it or not, this "random" attack spree finally made my boss think and I am looking at better funding for the next fiscal year. So yes, I do actually benefit from the lulz attacks. And with me, the security of the company I am responsible for. My hope is that I'm not the only one who uses these attacks to badger the higher ups to finally cough up a bit more than a few pennies to secure their information assets.

      Again, don't get me wrong: I do not think that hacking anything for any reason (aside of machines that you are allowed to hack, which can be actually quite entertaining) is a "good thing". But if there's no other way to finally get some CEOs to consider security more than just a money hole without any reason to exist, it sadly has some beneficial effect.

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    41. Re:Am I the only one? by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Bullshit. They brute-force some weak passwords, hunt down a few unpatched servers and use pre-written exploits on them. They aren't hackers, they're script kiddies from Anonymous.

      And you don't think that makes the whole mess way worse? If it only takes script kiddies to bring down major company servers, security is in a very sorry state and needs to get patched. Sadly, no CEO will cough up any dough for it if he doesn't get to see there's a reason to.

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    42. Re:Am I the only one? by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      And that's a fallacy. You cannot legislate hackers away. Unless of course you manage to get ALL governments around the globe on board and get them to take the whole mess serious.

      The internet is an international problem, local legislation means jack when the criminal isn't subject to it. So your only hope is to defend against them, police won't help you here.

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    43. Re:Am I the only one? by mug+funky · · Score: 1

      u mad.

      bad things happen to those who wish bad things on others.

      my mother in law celebrated when a colleage of hers was diagnosed with MS.

      she's now languishing in a home, with younger-onset Alzheimer's, living a personal hell of her own neuroses, that keeps repeating over and over until the whole mess spins itself apart. i wont say she deserves it, but some would.

    44. Re:Am I the only one? by mug+funky · · Score: 1

      analogyfail.

    45. Re:Am I the only one? by Killjoy_NL · · Score: 1

      Colbert, is that you? ;)

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    46. Re:Am I the only one? by mug+funky · · Score: 0

      how about not borrowing money in the first place?

    47. Re:Am I the only one? by thunderclap · · Score: 1

      it would be a better use of those servers, honestly.

    48. Re:Am I the only one? by XDirtypunkX · · Score: 1

      There have been compromised paypal accounts due to people using the same passwords between sites, so there has been real monetary damages to some people.

    49. Re:Am I the only one? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This same AC has posted this same BS rant on every story about LulzSec over the last few weeks. And yet he once again gets a +5 Insightful? What insight has been offered, aside from his own opinion? None, that's what.

      Honestly I don't know if this A-hole is Trolling or Astroturfing, but it's more than a little annoying that people keep modding him up for it.

    50. Re:Am I the only one? by Stone2065 · · Score: 1

      I normally stay away from AC comments, but hey, what do you expect from a Brit AC?

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    51. Re:Am I the only one? by elucido · · Score: 1

      There have been compromised paypal accounts due to people using the same passwords between sites, so there has been real monetary damages to some people.

      Perhaps they should use a better password. The fact is, most of us couldn't have a job if lulz security did not exist.

      Who cares WHO or WHAT lulz security is? They are on a crime spree, and it most likely will result in an arms race which will be good for black and whitehats.
      At the same time it needs to happen for the same reason the browser wars had to happen. Innovation will come from this and it's already starting.

    52. Re:Am I the only one? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Then again, breaking into someone's house and exposing all of his secrets wouldn't be the way to go to, just to prove the point, that his doorlock sucked.

      While there's a huge difference between the digital and the material world, legislators and society in general don't yet acknowledge that. We as a society need to evolve into the age of information, but as every evolutionary change, this will happen at the pace of generations replacing the preceding ones.

      Organisations like LulzSec undoubtedly are doing important work, however, their methods are, in my opinion, too extreme and might prove not only to hurt their cause, but also to be reducing freedom for all of us.

    53. Re:Am I the only one? by Yvanhoe · · Score: 1

      Ah, the car analogy... How can any debate about IT security be complete about it ?

      Companies ask personal informations claiming "it is safe, we are a big company, we do security stuff, give us credit card numbers, you can trust us.". Well, no, you can't, and lulzsec proves it. In an immature way, full of posture and teenage bragging, but they prove it. They are acting like assholes, but they are mostly harmless and it is a luck for us that they are not there to make a mayehem. Except on Sony, for who I can't really manage to feel sorry, over the whole GeoHot affair. Bully meets bully. Now it is time to take IT security a bit seriously again.

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    54. Re:Am I the only one? by Dan541 · · Score: 2

      At least LulzSec admit to doing things for their own gain.

      Anonymous on the other hand like to kid themselves into thinking they have a valid cause; it's seriously sad.
      LulzSec are at least honest about why they do things.

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    55. Re:Am I the only one? by Dan541 · · Score: 1

      So can I throw a brick through your window?
      Seriously it's just to show how crummy an average home's security is.

      Don't punish me; punish the glass manufacturer.

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    56. Re:Am I the only one? by Ginger+Unicorn · · Score: 1

      At what point could I have ever possibly been a corset?

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    57. Re:Am I the only one? by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      bad things happen to those who wish bad things on others.

      Fuck off hippy.

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    58. Re:Am I the only one? by Kildjean · · Score: 1

      Some men just want to watch the world burn

      and according to the mayan calendar we probably will see it burn...

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    59. Re:Am I the only one? by gx5000 · · Score: 1

      Do we even know that these guys are lulz ? All these efforts seem to be aimed at ferreting out people who would join these causes. There is no centralized group flying these banners (except for lulz one would think). But how do you authenticate identity on anonymous hackers ?

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    60. Re:Am I the only one? by Palmsie · · Score: 1

      Ahem, you mean the rapture, my judeo-christian friend. It would be folly to indulge in the apocalyptic stories of barbarians! Ho ho ho!

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    61. Re:Am I the only one? by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      Most people don't seem to understand that they don't care what you think one way or the other. They would have to think there is a line in the first place to be "way out of." They do not share your ideas of right and wrong. How you fail to understand this despite it being reiterated time and again is sort of astonishing.

      Look, a psycopathic serial killer doesn't share myideas of right and wrong either. That doesn't make us morally equal. And, no, understanding how he thinks is of no interest whatsoever to me, unless I'm the policeman who has to catch him.

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    62. Re:Am I the only one? by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      I don't know if this A-hole is Trolling or Astroturfing

      Astroturfing on whose behalf? That makes absolutely no sense.

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    63. Re:Am I the only one? by Hatta · · Score: 1

      You want change? How about credit card companies no longer being allowed to charge outrageous fees to small business retailers, or change due dates with minimal notice and crank up interest rates when you miss them?

      Nice, but they'll find other ways to screw us. What we need are usury laws with teeth, and maximum caps on

      How about increased regulation on derivatives and a bureau dedicated to protecting consumers from abusive lenders

      Again, entirely toothless. The traders will find a loophole, and the CFPB will be about as effective as the MMS. And where's the god damned Volker rule?

      While we're at it, the healthcare bill was crap from the start and only got further watered down. He never even tried to bring single payer to the table. Also, gays in the military. Negligible.

      So you're damn right I want change. But no, we get Bush III instead.

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      Give me Classic Slashdot or give me death!
    64. Re:Am I the only one? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Clearly the hacker crackdown and all the associated arrests of people for public hacking have been counter-productive. Without people like Lulz, we would never really see how bad the security is in the various big companies. Sure, if they get caught they deserve a slap on the wrist, mostly for the stupdity of getting caught. The people who should be punished are the people running the companies they hack (a bit) and the people providing security and operating systems to those people (lots). I really don't see the point in punishing people just because they make a public noise about what they did.

      I agree, it's like when an arsonist sets fire to a building; the arsonist should only get a slap on the wrist - it's the architect and builders that should be blamed for making the whole damn building so flammable!

    65. Re:Am I the only one? by xavierpayne · · Score: 1

      Only thing I'd change about your statement is the following:

      The people who should be punished are the people running the companies they hack (lots) and the people providing security and operating systems to those people (a bit).

      In my experience the people providing security do the best they can with the resources the customer is willing to expend. Properly configuring the firewall. Writing safer code. Implementing monitoring and checks and balances type systems requires man hours and money. Most companies don't want real security. They want security theatre.

      Even in industry standard security courses the first thing they teach is you are not aiming for 100% security. You're going for the best the company "can afford". Unfortunately that often means the best the company "is willing to pay for" and that often times isn't based on being safe. It's based on paying just enough in security to significantly lower the estimated cost of litigation when your systems are breached. "No no your honor, we did our due diligence, just look at how many firewalls we have! (-ommitted- still running on the factory defualt settings)".

      Until that attitude changes, expect much more of the same. Punishing the guys that installed/implemented the system on budget will not solve the problem.

    66. Re:Am I the only one? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, that is why I hack - for the crime.

    67. Re:Am I the only one? by LordLimecat · · Score: 1

      Man you should chill out a bit and keep your anger directed towards Cheney, his banker friends and the likes who actually screw you up the ass

      pssst....cheneys no longer in office...

    68. Re:Am I the only one? by camazotz · · Score: 1

      ...A fine idea. After all, if we just locked up all the women who dressed provactively and got raped, that ought to teach them. Even better, next time you leave your door unlocked and get robbed, why are the cops wasting their time looking for some crook when clearly You and your unlocked door should be put away in jail. What audacity, leaving your door open, then daring to suggest that the guy who walked in and stole all your stuff was merely demonstrating your callous criminal behavior!

    69. Re:Am I the only one? by rtfa-troll · · Score: 1
      If I was a bank, keeping other people's data and money; if I was claiming to be secure, and deceiving others, then you might have a point. As it is, the glass is achieving the exact security goal it is expected to achieve; noise and tamper evidence. Nobody's claiming that we need perfect security. Just that "secure enough to store 100k people's data" is much more secure than most companies are willing to spend the time and mony to achieve.

      P.S. having said that, I live six floors up; we have security guards, cameras and double glazing. If someone would insure the test, or if you were willing to place a 50 dollar bet on it and cover any damage you did to the neighbors then I'd love to see you try.

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    70. Re:Am I the only one? by rtfa-troll · · Score: 1

      As is traditional bad form; I'll reply to myself. One point I didn't put clearly. In this case the people that need to be informed are not the people that own the system. If you want me to know my house is insecure, you have simply to tell me. If I say "yes I know" then that's my responsibility and decision. In the case of a big company like Sony, if you simply say it (and many have) they will answer "we are secure to industry standards; don't try it or we'll arrest you". The only way to demonstrate to the people who own the data; the users; is to actually demonstrate the break in. This is a major difference.

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    71. Re:Am I the only one? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      lulz

    72. Re:Am I the only one? by rtfa-troll · · Score: 1

      Partly agree but, by people providing "security and operating systems to those people" I didn't mean the installation people. To be absolutely clear I meant Microsoft and to a small extent other operating system providers. As currently specified, I think no consumer operating system is ready for the job it is meant to do. We need basic CC level assurance combined with OpenBSD defaults and serious levels of MAC through the entire systems backed with a clever and clear user interface to it all. At that point we will begin to be able to talk about securing systems with proper configuration.

      All of these things have been available in some systems (e.g. Multics) and could be available now in standard systems if we our operating system manufacturers hadn't been able to sacrifice security for features. Had we seriously concentrated on it, we probably wouldn't even have lost that much development time and certainly the time lost to electronic crime would have more than made up for that.

      Only once we start to deliver basic underlying security will it even begin to be reasonable to blame the people installing systems for failures.

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    73. Re:Am I the only one? by rtfa-troll · · Score: 1

      Way to go offtopic.

      It's not Sony that's getting attacked; it's the consumers. Sony is more the pimp pushing young girls out naked into the street. And yes, I do think they should be punished for that, not the person who took photos to prove they were doing it. No matter how illegal those photos may be for containing an image of a minor.

      Interestingly enough; in many places, if you leave your door open and someone walks inside, does no damage, and then leaves then they haven't committed a crime (felony); at most a civil matter (misdemeanor or less). Now if you steal, that's a different matter.

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    74. Re:Am I the only one? by Crag · · Score: 1

      Am I the only one to find them funny?

      You're not the only one. My wife and I also find them funny. It's a little bit of "When I stub my toe it's tragedy. When you fall off a ladder and break your arm it's comedy." But even as I know I could be a victim, I still root for them and enjoy their style of antics.

      Don't ever change, LulzSec!

    75. Re:Am I the only one? by Lifyre · · Score: 1

      It seems I hit a nerve but CFTM addressed most of your post allowing to me to address the one very minor point you raised that had some merit but had almost absolutely nothing to do with my post.

      A DDoS attack exposes a weakness, not necessarily a security vulnerability. You'll notice I used weakness in my post as well as calling some of their attacks irrelevant. Perhaps I should have been more clear.

      The DDoS attacks, which are a very small part of what they have done, are stupid, pointless, and don't really accomplish much of value other than generate publicity. Exposing the security vulnerabilities of multiple organizations by most accounts has taken significant amounts of skill. I'm glad they're exposing these vulnerabilities, if not necessarily how, because it means these places have likely already been compromised before by people with more sinister motives.

      So you effectively took a couple minor actions by the group and extrapolated it to mean that nothing they could do would take skill or have meaning.

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    76. Re:Am I the only one? by CFTM · · Score: 1

      Nah, I've just gone the patent route so that in the future should anyone create anything remotely similar I can tie them up with civil litigation! Why go through all the work when I can have someone else do it for me and reap the rewards?

    77. Re:Am I the only one? by ub3r+n3u7r4l1st · · Score: 1

      Sega should take the offer.

      Confucius: Don't care if it is black cat or white cat: If it can catch mice, it's a good cat.â

    78. Re:Am I the only one? by mug+funky · · Score: 1

      lol. modded down for telling people to save their money.

      we wonder why the economy is collapsing?

    79. Re:Am I the only one? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      After every hack large enough to make the news,
      legislators pass a new over reaching law with extreme penalties.
      There is a balance that favors quick action over thoughtful action.

      An entire information ecosystem with centralized control. What could go wrong?

  2. This hacking thing... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Is starting to get a wee bit out of control, if it hasn't already.

  3. no gaming cred by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    they hacked the parent company of id
    they have no respect from a gaming standpoint

  4. script kiddies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    these guys sound like a bunch of emo script kiddies

    stop playing with your pecker and dreamcast and go meet some girls

    1. Re:script kiddies by maxwell+demon · · Score: 1

      these guys sound like a bunch of emo script kiddies

      stop playing with your pecker and dreamcast and go meet some girls

      But what girls would like to meet a bunch of emo script kiddies?

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    2. Re:script kiddies by Culture20 · · Score: 1

      But what girls would like to meet a bunch of emo script kiddies?

      "Nunchaku skills... bowhunting skills... computer hacking skills... Girls only want boyfriends who have great skills!"

  5. I think LulzSec trolling. by MimeticLie · · Score: 5, Insightful

    So they attacked Bethesda, EVE, League of Legends, Minecraft, and Nintendo, but when someone attacks Sega they're all up in arms? I'm not buying it.

    I think they're just trolling the media to keep their name in the headlines. And they succeeded (really, Reuters? don't you have wars you could be reporting on?).

    1. Re:I think LulzSec trolling. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Y U NO BELIEVE US!?

    2. Re:I think LulzSec trolling. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I haven't been following them very closely, but I'm pretty sure they didn't release any sensitive information from the Nintendo and Betheda hacks due to being fans of their respective output.

    3. Re:I think LulzSec trolling. by hedwards · · Score: 1

      Because, you're Joyce DeWitt.

    4. Re:I think LulzSec trolling. by Stratoukos · · Score: 1

      I think LulzSec trolling

      Stop the presses!

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    5. Re:I think LulzSec trolling. by colinrichardday · · Score: 1

      Hey, I like brunettes, and she hasn't joined Suzanne Somers on the woo train.

    6. Re:I think LulzSec trolling. by Tolkien · · Score: 1

      This is why I've been saying it would make perfect sense if adrian lame-o was indeed lulzsec as a whois report of lulzsec.com reported a while ago. He craves the spotlight at all costs, even that of putting away his "friends".

    7. Re:I think LulzSec trolling. by cshark · · Score: 1

      Just configuration files in both cases, I believe.
      As I recall, they hacked nintendo because they like them, and they wanted to make sure that they were secure.

      Kind of odd, but okay.
      Whatever works.

      Seems to me though, that if they wanted to help... why not hack into nintendo, and then secure the os and server?

      That would be funny.

      All of these hacker groups have split personalities.

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    8. Re:I think LulzSec trolling. by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 1

      I can't believe that someone is seriously debating the motives of a hacker group which labels itself "LulzSec".

    9. Re:I think LulzSec trolling. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And they succeeded (really, Reuters? don't you have wars you could be reporting on?).

      Translated - This isn't news! It's new information but it isn't news! Only things I deem important are news!

      Given the ease of the internet in supporting and distributing vast amounts of information, I would expect news organizations to be releasing more non-news news compared to the past when they were limited to what you could print in the paper.

    10. Re:I think LulzSec trolling. by gOemb · · Score: 1

      As a Dreamcast owner myself, I can assure you that it's absolutely possible they want to defend Sega. ps: Going back to Rez and Ikaruga now.

  6. Can Lulzsec hack Slashdot already. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Maybe then we can stop hearing about them.

    my captcha is "losers".

  7. stop pumping these people up by YesIAmAScript · · Score: 1, Insightful

    They're not good guys. They're just making messes and making things harder on people than they need to be.

    As long as you keep making them seem like a big deal, they'll keep messing with more and more sites until nearly everyone comes to regret "making a monster".

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    1. Re:stop pumping these people up by quantaman · · Score: 2

      They're not necessarily doing a disservice.

      Right now the only other way that security issues come to the attention of the media is through public hostile hacks, and who knows how many of those go unreported. LulzSec is bringing a lot more attention to the problem of security, without many of the costs of more hostile hacks, on the whole I think that's a good thing.

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    2. Re:stop pumping these people up by liquidsin · · Score: 1

      this, a hundred times. how many people, who used to think nothing of turning over whatever data a company asked for, are thinking a little bit about that now? there's some truly sad security practices in place where a lot of sensitive data is concerned, but nobody knew because the people who could slip through the cracks kept quiet so master wouldn't change the locks. at least with lulzsec we've got someone doling out loud public humiliation about how easy it was to sneak in through a window and rob you blind...

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    3. Re:stop pumping these people up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We are now in an age where every company seems to see fit that their entire infrastructure is connected to the public Internet for some reason. What these hackers are doing is finding a way in and letting everyone know about it, with out them people would just be doing the same in private.

    4. Re:stop pumping these people up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They're just ...... making things harder on people than they need to be.

      Some would call what they're doing as free penetration testing and security auditing. Insuring job security for those who aren't getting infiltrated.

      The glass exists, there's liquid in it, but any more perspective than that is best left to those holding the glass or the pitcher. The rest of us are at the next table over.

    5. Re:stop pumping these people up by rts008 · · Score: 1

      ...and making things harder on people than they need to be.

      Your type of thinking is fueling this hacker craze. Your type is feeding them, encouraging them to stick around and grow.

      Until you break out of this mindset that IT security is a cost that needs choked for increased next-quarter profits, security breaches will keep happening.

      I'm sure those 'in the trenches' share your attitude, but you need to focus your anger and frustration back to where they belong...your PHB that makes your IT security decisions.
      In essence, by blaming LulSec, you are 'shooting the messenger' that's telling you your security is a fucked up mess.

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    6. Re:stop pumping these people up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I would call a denial of service attack conducted through botnets that were bought and paid for a disservice, particularly when I am personally affected by it, in the case of their pointless attack on the Minecraft login servers. I would also call DDoSing Escapist Magazine because some people had the audacity to disagree with their pointless attacks a disservice. I'm guessing the only reason you _don't_ call it a disservice is because you're either a sympathizer or a member, both of which would make you a festering douchebag like the rest of them. The twisted logic that results in people like you praising them for "highlighting security issues" is astounding.

    7. Re:stop pumping these people up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, but they don't need to publicly release thousands of emails/passwords. I'm not saying it isn't entertaining, but they could take the moral high ground. They choose not to, and that's their choice, but that choice makes it difficult for me to defend their actions. I find it laughable that after releasing all this personal info and encouraging people to wreak havoc with it that they would have the nerve to come out and say that it's for our own good, that otherwise these security holes would go unnoticed. I mean really, who actually thought the web was secure? Not anyone working in the field. What they're pointing out isn't exactly newsworthy for the guys that have been in the trenches for years.

      They are getting a lot of media attention however, for better or worse.

    8. Re:stop pumping these people up by quantaman · · Score: 1

      I honestly haven't followed them that closely. I agree that any DDoSing they did is stupid as it doesn't really prove anything to do with security. But as for the actual hacks, while I very much dislike the actions, and they're probably not the sorts of people I'd call friends, I think they are doing a service in telling people "hey that door is not nearly as secure as you thought it was" encouraging people to either get a better lock, or at least be more careful before putting their valuables inside.

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    9. Re:stop pumping these people up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Free penetration testing and security auditing doesn't lead to releasing thousands of people's personal information.

      It's the difference between somebody sneaking into a store after hours and leaving a note about how to secure it next time, and the same person smashing windows and knocking shit over. Both might serve to highlight a security flaw. But in one case, you're an asshole.

    10. Re:stop pumping these people up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So I see. If they didn't do these things, then we'd never know how weak the security is. The danger in not knowing, of course, is that some unknown group will quietly break into the system and steal personal information from thousands of people and have their way with it.

      I see that now it is much better because now these guys publicly break into a system and then very publicly release stolen personal information. In other words, before thousands of people might get screwed quietly, but now they can get screwed very publicly. It is a great learning exercise for someone, but for whom I haven't figured out yet.

    11. Re:stop pumping these people up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And yet you claim that that are "bringing a lot more attention to the problem of security, without many of the costs of more hostile attacks." You think their DDoSing of PSN and the distribution of personal information and credit card numbers isn't hostile, I take it? Nor the text file of over 60,000 brute-forced passwords belonging to personal e-mail accounts from various webmail services that they spewed online and encouraged people to abuse? Nor the compromised accounts from adult web sites that they posted on line, encouraging their lackeys to use the information to humiliate and ruin the lives of the people to whom those accounts belong, that's not hostile?

      You are right about one thing, you haven't followed them that closely...and yet you seem to be making the bizarre claim at the same time that, despite the fact you really haven't a clue, they're doing people a "service."

      Incidentally, let's take your door analogy a step further so that you can see just how ridiculous it really is in context. Let's say that someone "encouraged" you to "get a better lock" by breaking into your house, taking a picture of you while you were having a shower and then posted it online, complete with your name and address, encouraging people who have seen it to call you, prank you, do the typical /b/tard bullshit and send a few hundred pizzas to your house, make death threats. Would you consider that a legitimate means of teaching the value of home security, or would you consider that a crime and a violation of your privacy?

      If you seriously think that Lulzsec is out to teach the value of security on the web you are sadly mistaken. All they're out to do is to make a name for themselves and have a laugh at the expense of thousands of others who have done nothing wrong. If you sympathize with that then you're no better than they are.

    12. Re:stop pumping these people up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Free penetration testing and security auditing doesn't lead to releasing thousands of people's personal information.

      Well, you get what you pay for.
      Maybe they should have spent some money on real security testing before they were given the free deal.

    13. Re:stop pumping these people up by CurryCamel · · Score: 1

      They're not necessarily doing a disservice.

      They are.

      They do a disservice to the individuals who get hurt. But a service to mankind for lifting the cat on the table w.r.t. security issues. They do both bad and good, and there is no denying it.

      I salute them for the latter, but regard them as jerks due to the former. Which leaves me saluting jerks. A thing I find disturbing.

      Who would have thought - the world is not black-and-white?

  8. Well... by Sinthet · · Score: 2

    The Dreamcast was (IS!!) a pretty fucking awesome system. Though the Sega of today isn't nearly as awesome as the Sega of yesteryear.

    1. Re:Well... by the+linux+geek · · Score: 1

      Nice controllers and decent games, but seriously underpowered for that generation. On the other hand, the PS2 was arguably the slowest of the big three (Gamecube, Xbox, PS2) and that doesn't seem to have hurt it much.

    2. Re:Well... by nomadic · · Score: 2

      No no no. The Dreamcast wasn't part of the GC/xbox/PS2 generation, it came out almost 2 years before the PS2 and almost 4 years before the GC. It was miles ahead of anything at the time.

    3. Re:Well... by cpu6502 · · Score: 1

      The Dreamcast's early release alienated a lot of Saturn buyers who saw their console abandoned after only three years. Sega destroyed the trust, and many customers vowed never to buy sega again. That's what killed the dreamcast.

      BTW wikipedia lists the DC as part of the PS2/Xbox/Gamecube generation. It was released four years after the PS1, one year ahead of PS2 and two years ahead of GC and Xbox.

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    4. Re:Well... by gmhowell · · Score: 0

      BTW wikipedia lists the DC as part of the PS2/Xbox/Gamecube generation. It was released four years after the PS1, one year ahead of PS2 and two years ahead of GC and Xbox.

      If you're going to use the failed 'appeal to authority' approach in an argument, you should at least use an 'authority', not, you know, wikipedia.

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    5. Re:Well... by Jonner · · Score: 1

      BTW wikipedia lists the DC as part of the PS2/Xbox/Gamecube generation. It was released four years after the PS1, one year ahead of PS2 and two years ahead of GC and Xbox.

      If you're going to use the failed 'appeal to authority' approach in an argument, you should at least use an 'authority', not, you know, wikipedia.

      If you want to question the veracity of someone else's claim, do it with evidence. You don't have to rely on Wikipedia to find that in the US, Dreamcast was released in September 1999, the PlayStation 2 was released in October 2000, and Xbox and GameCube in November 2001.

    6. Re:Well... by gmhowell · · Score: 1

      That's not the false claim. He says "DC as part of the PS2/Xbox/Gamecube generation", which is arguably false. Commodore64love appeals to the authority that is wikipedia to put to rest an argument that has been ongoing since the release of the DC. Date of release is not the sole arbiter of what generation a console is a part of.

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    7. Re:Well... by MikeBabcock · · Score: 1

      Most every claim on Wikipedia is properly cited. If you can't be bothered to look up those citations, you don't understand what Wikipedia is.

      Since you didn't bother, here it is:

      ^ Kent, Steven L. (2004-02-18). "PlayStation 2 Timeline". GameSpy. IGN. pp. 2. Retrieved 2008-03-03. "1998 – November 27th: Sega initiates the next generation of game consoles by launching Dreamcast in Japan..."

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    8. Re:Well... by gmhowell · · Score: 1

      I can't be bothered because it is a discussion of old video game systems. Who gives a shit?

      (Further, the link to Steven Kent of GameSpy/IGN isn't particularly authoritative either.)

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    9. Re:Well... by BenoitRen · · Score: 1

      seriously underpowered for that generation

      Not at all. Sure, its main CPU wasn't as powerful, but it was compensated by the amount of main RAM and video RAM. Do not discount the importance of video RAM!

      Games on the Dreamcast have long looked better than the PS2's because it did something the PS2 didn't: anti-aliasing. PS2 developers eventually solved this by copying the current frame to main memory, applying a filter on it, then copying it back to video memory before sending it to the screen.

      Not to mention PS2 developers struggled with its weird architecture, only receiving help from Sony three years in with improved development libraries.

    10. Re:Well... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      an argument that has been ongoing since the release of the DC.

      This is the first I've heard of it. Got a citation?

  9. You are so fucked. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They will compromise Slashdot, find your IP address, and bring out the speculum.

  10. signed? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Does lulsec give out any public keys or any other way with some private key signed method, to know if every message posted by the alleged Lulzsec is really coming from lulzsec? I mean, I see a lot of posts, but I might as well be that their name is being hijacked a lot of times.

  11. Understandable... by Tasha26 · · Score: 1

    I still have my Gamegear, apart from the damaged charger, it's fine... SEGA .

    1. Re:Understandable... by hedwards · · Score: 1

      And you really need the charger as the battery life on those things was horrible. Nice unit, but the battery life was terrible.

    2. Re:Understandable... by MysteriousPreacher · · Score: 1

      It was great, particularly with the TV tuner and the adapter for Master System cartridges. Yeah, battery life sucked, and the LCD screens of that era had far too much ghosting for fast-paced games. Columns was a pain for that reason.

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    3. Re:Understandable... by Travelsonic · · Score: 1

      That and SEGA's use of crap transistors makes it a bit annoying, but other than that, a kickass system.

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  12. Priorities.. by Gi0 · · Score: 3, Informative

    Dont they have a kinda bigger problem right now? http://lulzsecexposed.blogspot.com/

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    1. Re:Priorities.. by hedwards · · Score: 2

      No, if you look at the logs, it's clear that the people are either not really part of lulzsecurity or are so low level that it's tantamount to hitting a hired goon when you were after the godfather.

      It sounds like they were related, albeit at a low level and easily replaceable. That being said, it does appear that somebody took offense to the apparent leaked dox.

      Additionally, it looks like they screwed up some of the previous doxes and had to retract them. Not saying that it means that it's fake or fraudulent, but it does tend to lend some lack of credibility to the site. Although, it looks like an honest mistake rather than a malicious smearing of somebody that's uninvolved.

    2. Re:Priorities.. by Cow+Jones · · Score: 1

      Additionally, it looks like they screwed up some of the previous doxes and had to retract them. Not saying that it means that it's fake or fraudulent, but it does tend to lend some lack of credibility to the site. Although, it looks like an honest mistake rather than a malicious smearing of somebody that's uninvolved.

      I'm shocked. Is there no honor among thieves anymore?

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  13. A question out of curiosity. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    20 years down the road, if the members of LulzSec were to have their bank/credit card/mortgage/investment accounts compromised, would they still find it lulzy?

    1. Re:A question out of curiosity. by DrBoumBoum · · Score: 2

      Very probably, I imagine they would go something like "Well done old sport" and deal with it.

    2. Re:A question out of curiosity. by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 1

      20 years down the road, if the members of LulzSec were to have their bank/credit card/mortgage/investment accounts compromised, would they still find it lulzy?

      Given all the media attention this sort of hacking has gotten, would it be as likely to happen?

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    3. Re:A question out of curiosity. by bluemonq · · Score: 1

      Because media attention has always encouraged corporations to change for the better.

  14. reminds me of Sopranos when Dr Melfi was raped by decora · · Score: 1

    she could have told Tony who did it to her.... but the writer of the show wanted to display that there was a single character in there that had some semblance of principle, so she did not tell him.

  15. they probably are girls by decora · · Score: 0

    "Times are changing. Women can do stuff now. And youre gonna have to get used to that"

    1. Re:they probably are girls by korean.ian · · Score: 0

      "Times are changing. Women can do stuff now. And youre gonna have to get used to that"

      I guess spelling, punctuation and syntax are among the things that women can't do though if the above is anything to go by.

  16. 'Wars journalists could be reporting on' by QuasiSteve · · Score: 4, Interesting

    This is pretty off-topic, but in reference to your statement:

    Really, Reuters? Don't you have wars you could be reporting on?

    I can't help but wonder the same thing. But not really related to the latest lulzseclulz in any way - I mean war reporting in general.

    I'm sure most of the people here who were semi-world conscious at the time can remember Christiane Amanpour reporting from Iraq and Bosnia, but also many other war reporters in those conflicts and many before them, often risking their own lives to bring reports from the battlefield, human interest stories from both sides, etc.

    But now, I keep hearing every talking head in news reports saying that 'allegedly' this-and-that happened - while a video off of youtube or something plays in the background - but that these are unconfirmed reports because they have no journalists in those countries because journalists aren't allowed into them(!)

    Have the news agencies lost their proverbial backbone, or have they just gotten lazy and think the youtube videos from either side in these conflicts are 'good enough'?

    1. Re:'Wars journalists could be reporting on' by MightyMartian · · Score: 2

      The first thing regimes like Syria do is round up the foreign journalists and either lock them up in their hotel rooms or show them the door. All those Western journalists reporting on Iraq or Afghanistan were there at the invitation, or at least the sufferance, of Western troops. Foreign journalists in places like Syria and Iran are on very short leashes at the best of times, and the minute there is the least sign of unrest they are either locked in their hotels or shown the door.

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    2. Re:'Wars journalists could be reporting on' by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Have the news agencies lost their proverbial backbone, or have they just gotten lazy and think the youtube videos from either side in these conflicts are 'good enough'?

       
      Neither. News agencies don't pay much for foreing journalists anymore because their corporate masters (mostly right-wing pricks like Murdoch) no longer want to invest the money. They don't care about news anymore, they care about using opinion clowns to convince people that gay is bad, illegal immigrants cause all your problems and take your jobs, lower taxes on the rich are good for the poor, etc. Half of what they do is propaganda to get their bought politicians to scuttle health care reform and kill public sector unions (private sector unions are next), and the other half of it is distracting people with meaningless bullshit to make them easier to manipulate.
       
      Sorry for the rant, I took my reality pills today.

    3. Re:'Wars journalists could be reporting on' by ijakings · · Score: 1

      The BBC still does some good war reporting. Its not as good as it used to be, but they still go into countries that they are not supposed to be in.

    4. Re:'Wars journalists could be reporting on' by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I can tell you're serious by how you said the same phrase twice, just with a slight variation the second time, so you're still saying the same phrase twice.

    5. Re:'Wars journalists could be reporting on' by BeaverCleaver · · Score: 1

      I'm seeing the news in .au, and there are plenty of onsite reports from war zones. Try changing your news source. If you select the Sci/Tech news in Google news, you'll probably get more sci-tech-related stuff, that's how the filters work.

      But journalists love that shit. Prancing around in the Green Zone wearing a flak jacket, looking badass, protected by a bunch of real soldiers. It's nice that we can get eyewitness news from these places, but we should remember that these journalists are not draftees like the forces in Vietnam were. These journalists *want* to be in war zones. They get paid more money and when they get home from Iraq they have a pocket full of danger money and a bunch of cool stories to impress the opposite sex. I'd love to be paid to go overseas, and be given a flak jacket and an expense account. All I have to do in return is file a few videos in front of something that's on fire. Sign me up!

    6. Re:'Wars journalists could be reporting on' by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      UN airstrikes kill them. Forget about the whole wikileaks asange thing? video of reuters photographers getting shot to death by US helicopter

    7. Re:'Wars journalists could be reporting on' by Xest · · Score: 1

      Try Al Jazeera:

      "Why was he not pursued with the same urgency we pursue al-Qaeda and Taliban leaders?"

      I know some people like to think of them as Al Qaeda sympathisers, but on the contrary, they're one of the best news organisations around today, and are largely quite supportive of the Western mindset. They did a great analysis on Turkey last year for example that was one of the most objective and insightful peices of journalism I've ever seen, and on TV they had a great documentary charting the Egyptian revolution from start to finish with much better footage than I'd seen elsewhere.

      The BBC doesn't do too bad a job, but they're not brilliant, certainly their reports on for example the Libyan revolution are sporadic rather than ongoing for example.

      Don't get me wrong, I suspect part the reason why Al Jazeera stands out at the moment is because it's very Middle East/African-centric and that's where much of the action is right now, I suspect they'd be much less good at reporting on for example, South America, although I may be wrong. Certainly for the Middle East goings on though they've been like no other in terms of quality and objectivity of reporting.

    8. Re:'Wars journalists could be reporting on' by Xest · · Score: 1

      Meh, ignore that quote, it was a copy and paste fail from another comment I posted, looks like I didn't manage to properly copy over it what I properly intended:

      http://english.aljazeera.net/

    9. Re:'Wars journalists could be reporting on' by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But now, I keep hearing every talking head in news reports saying that 'allegedly' this-and-that happened - while a video off of youtube or something plays in the background - but that these are unconfirmed reports because they have no journalists in those countries because journalists aren't allowed into them(!)

      Have the news agencies lost their proverbial backbone, or have they just gotten lazy and think the youtube videos from either side in these conflicts are 'good enough'?

      you don't watch aljazeera, do you? though their information may favour palestine over israel in stories related to that conflict, they have plenty of reporters in places like libya....

    10. Re:'Wars journalists could be reporting on' by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      The BBC doesn't do too bad a job, but they're not brilliant, certainly their reports on for example the Libyan revolution are sporadic rather than ongoing for example.

      The BBC aren't reporting much on the Libyan revolution for the very good reason that there has not yet been a Libyan revolution. Last I heard, Gaddafi was still in charge.

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    11. Re:'Wars journalists could be reporting on' by Xest · · Score: 1

      Just because they've yet to succeed in their goals doesn't mean it's not a revolution. It's still a revolution, it may eventually be a succesful revolution, or it may eventually be a failed revolution, but it's a revolution all the same.

      Besides, it's really questionable if Gaddafi is in charge, in charge of who or what exactly? Certainly all his funding sources have been cut off, certainly much political contact with his regime have been cut off, certainly much of his country aren't listening too him. In contrast the rebel transitional council has commercial ties externally with oil sales, it has ever increasing political standing in the world, and it has a large population supportive of it. About the only thing Gaddafi is in charge of is his own regime, a now isolated, crippled, and increasingly irrelevant regime.

    12. Re:'Wars journalists could be reporting on' by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The problem is often the main stream media. Alternative news outlets like Democracy Now reports things pretty well still.

  17. careful what you wish for by decora · · Score: 1

    if they charge LulzSec with 50 counts of violating various laws, then those will become precedent.

    it often happens in legal history that when an unpopular defendant (like a terrorist) is put on trial, some of their rights are 'bent' or 'violated', but that precedent is then used subsequently against ordinary people.

    we can see this in the Thomas Drake NSA Whistleblower case. Some of the precedents used against him by the government were set in terrorism cases like the Moussaoui case... especially precedents regarding secret evidence.

    1. Re:careful what you wish for by smellotron · · Score: 1

      it often happens in legal history that when an unpopular defendant (like a terrorist) is put on trial, some of their rights are 'bent' or 'violated', but that precedent is then used subsequently against ordinary people.

      That's a very frustrating aspect of precedence in the courts. Unlike most artificial learning systems, legal precedence has the result of training the courts to use the oldest ideas rather than the newest. It also has the potential to cause mistakes to be remembered more than successes ("mistakes" meaning someone "pushing the boundaries" on civil rights).

  18. LOL sarcasm by vlm · · Score: 1

    We love the Dreamcast, these people are going down

    LOL doesn't anyone else have a sarcasm detector?
    If Anonymous expressed their deep manly-love of the TRS-80 Model 3 (a fine machine for its time, BTW) THEN would people get it and LOL?

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    1. Re:LOL sarcasm by gnawingonfoot · · Score: 1

      I think you underestimate the fanatical nature of us Sega nerds.

    2. Re:LOL sarcasm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I guess you never owned a Dreamcast, or you would understand.

    3. Re:LOL sarcasm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The pointless fanatical nature. Funny how processor ASM heavy code to handle transform & lighting somehow raises the Dreamcast to a 'god tier' of consoles. That, and the lame rudimentary blend function'd PowerVR chip it has.

  19. Could it be? by Donkey_Hotey · · Score: 1

    I've really started to believe that LulzSec is a PsyOp aimed at insuring that the public supports more intrusive "cyber-laws."

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  20. not that its in any way comparable by decora · · Score: 1

    im uhh. . shit i think i just dug myself a 5 foot hole

    1. Re:not that its in any way comparable by Donkey_Hotey · · Score: 1

      Er, given the context, wouldn't that be a 6-foot hole?

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    2. Re:not that its in any way comparable by TheGothicGuardian · · Score: 1

      Perhaps he's already one foot below the ground?

  21. i hate to go all glenn beck but... by decora · · Score: 1

    if you look at the history of the CIA and NSA, uhm, this is not far-fetched.

    Obama now has 6 non-spy espionage act charges under his belt.

    3 of those (Manning, Drake, Wikileaks) also involve the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act. Why?

    Because 1030(a)(1) of the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act is called 'Computer Espionage', and (a)(2) is 'exceeding authorized access' and 'obtaining information'. These are basically the same thing as the Espionage Act, but with broader language to cover more information, and more people.

    The Computer Fraud and Abuse Act is like a 'backdoor way' to expand the Espionage Act.

    lulzsec, if it led to modifications of CFAA, well, i mean... think about it. it would be a great way to clamp down on free speech and criticism of government policy. Think about Thomas Drake's case - imagine an expanded CFAA and then imagine they had charged him with it, instead of charging him with the plain old Espionage Act. They might have been able to convict him ---- for whistleblowing on massive waste, and then giving UNCLASSIFIED information to a reporter. talk about chilling.

    The CIA is directly participating in two of these non-spy Espionage Act prosecutions - the one against Kim and the one against Sterling.

    now, i dont like conspiracy theories. they lack evidence and they lack proper respect for skepticism.

    however. i think your train of thought cannot be ruled 'ridiculous' flat out.

  22. Drake's misdemeanor conviction by decora · · Score: 1

    is actually on the CFAA (a)(2), so basically the clampdown has already started.

  23. The most POPULAR Slashdot Topic of 2011 by Ilsundal · · Score: 1

    So uhm, Slashdot, when is LulzSec getting it's own icon? Seems to be the top favorite for news these days.

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    1. Re:The most POPULAR Slashdot Topic of 2011 by Fnord666 · · Score: 2

      So uhm, Slashdot, when is LulzSec getting it's own icon? Seems to be the top favorite for news these days.

      Maybe the editors figure that if LulzSec wants one, they'll just add it themselves..

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    2. Re:The most POPULAR Slashdot Topic of 2011 by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      So uhm, Slashdot, when is LulzSec getting it's own icon? Seems to be the top favorite for news these days.

      Maybe the editors figure that if LulzSec wants one, they'll just add it themselves..

      They're probably just scared that if they put Lulzsec icon on, Anonymous will throw a hissy fit and hack teh slashdot servers real good, in a Ninja style.

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  24. I have only one word to say about this. by bmo · · Score: 1

    Derp.

    Because that's the only word that sums all this up.

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  25. It's not hacking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's a bunch of script kiddies behind a virtual server in EC2 behind a VPN using purchased botnets to mess with people. Not really that hard if you put a bit of effort into it. But no, not hacking.

  26. Not going to happen by Dachannien · · Score: 3, Informative

    If LulzSec went after the culprit on their own, then it's only their necks in the noose if they get caught (revenge or no, they're still committing a crime). But if Sega contacts them, then Sega becomes complicit, and their lawyers will probably have a thing or two to say about that.

  27. I love how people think they're "hackers" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's a bunch of script kiddies behind a virtual server in EC2 behind a VPN (and maybe TOR for twitter com) using purchased botnets to mess with people. Not hackers. You can buy botnets for a few hundred. Losers.

  28. Actually, I - don't dislike them by dsinc · · Score: 1

    The outcome of their actions is something positive: the exposed will have to reinforce their security, which is really good. I couldn't say the same about "Anonymous"; I strongly dislike (and, yes, "fear") lynching mobs, real or virtual. Today they happen to wipe out of existence something or someone you don't like. Is that just(ice)? what if tomorrow they decide they don't like someone or something you like? or even YOU?

    Oh, and LulzSec are not teenagers. Keep this in mind for later.

    1. Re:Actually, I - don't dislike them by Zironic · · Score: 1

      From what I've seen the actual result is to create more support for pervasive Cyber Laws so someone can throw them in jail.

  29. LulzDICK = feds by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    LulzDICK = feds.....

  30. 1337 Vaginas by Ukab+the+Great · · Score: 0

    Have any of the these guys actually seen a vagina?. If I had a mop, a doughnut and a vagina, could these guys pick the vagina out of a line up? Because the day they actually see a vagina, they're throw those 1337 haX0r skills out the window.

    *plagiarized from Bobcat Goldwaith

    1. Re:1337 Vaginas by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They're throw your excellent grammar out of the window too!

    2. Re:1337 Vaginas by artor3 · · Score: 1

      Well, they'll recognize the donut, that's for sure. And they'll probably remember seeing their parents with the mop last time they went upstairs. So I'm gonna go with yes.

    3. Re:1337 Vaginas by svanheulen · · Score: 2

      I love it when people respond like this. Apparently them being good at something, that you're not, means they have no life? Everyone has their own talents and just because something would be time consuming for you doesn't mean it is for everyone.

    4. Re:1337 Vaginas by psiclops · · Score: 1

      he could be basing this opinion on their actions not their skills.

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    5. Re:1337 Vaginas by Ukab+the+Great · · Score: 1

      They're posting on the Internet that they're throwing down their geeky gauntlets and engaging other geeks in a geeky duel-to-the-death to defend the honor of a ten year old gaming system.

  31. Sick and tired of this, both in USA and my country by vgerclover · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I find it tiresome how people think that if you criticize one person, you must love its opponent. Or how somehow attacking one opponent somehow exonerates the other one. If that's your only defense (not talking necessarily about you, although I do find the Republicans that can be seen from abroad disgusting), them being only good because the other guys did worse, you should rethink why you supported them on the first place.

  32. The rise of the cyber assassins. by lexsird · · Score: 2

    I seriously doubt they will hire groups like this, but I do think they will hire cyber assassins. Follow this thinking. Here you are a multi-million dollar company and you will lose millions from their attacks. Feature like Sony, being attacked for a straight month. Governments appear too slow or retarded to be of assistance.

    So enter the cyber assassin, a lone wolf who can hunt them down, probably infiltrate their ranks, counter hack them, find them and assassinate them. Frankly I am shocked it hasn't happened already, a viral video of one of them being snuffed, or something to that effect to send a major chilling effect to the hacker community. They would probably assassinate plenty of script kiddies, just to set the proper example.

    I would look for these types to come from Russia, they certainly have the skills to do the tracking, and as far as ruthless, I think they have that covered. They are a hungry lot there in Russia, organized crime is serious business there. I think they have all the ingredients to cook something like this up. But that is just speculation on where they might start from on my behalf.

    Factor this, with as ineffective as the world's governments seem to be at dealing with this, how long will it take for these hacker groups to fuck with the wrong people? They don't fuck around with little targets either, it seems the people they fuck with have deep enough pockets to easily finance a project like that. It doesn't help with their "hahaha fuck you" attitude either. Imagine being burned by them and it cost you millions, and there they are, out there mocking you? Welcome to becoming someone life hobby to find you and kill you, you silly hackers.

    I am just saying this needs nipped in the bud before it escalates into something horrifying. There world seems to be full of dumb kids that have no idea about consequences for one's actions. These people need protected from their own stupidity. A trip to Gitmo is infinitely more preferable than the Russian mob skinning and salting you in a snuff film for some pissed off CEO's listening and dancing pleasure.

    Stack crap like that on top of the entertainment business's interests, rioters who use social networks to organize, wikileaks, flash robbers, etc, etc, and world governments are going clamp the fuck down hard on the Internet as we know it. Hackers will beat their security measures of course, then it will really escalate. Kiss any online privacy goodbye then. Welcome to high tech intrusive measures to monitor us even more.

    In the mean time, I wouldn't want to be these hackers. It may sound cool, and get good press, but there is the devil to pay in the end.

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    1. Re:The rise of the cyber assassins. by iiiears · · Score: 1

      How would IPV6 and Trusted Platform Modules change this? Does every recent machine include TPM technology?

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    2. Re:The rise of the cyber assassins. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'd just like to mention that they fucked with EVE and one of EVEs investors(per some ownership/LLC type docs filed with whatever government entity does that business in Iceland) has strong ties with Russian companies known to be in bed with the Russian mob. EVE is serious business to the Russian contingent that play because they make hundreds of thousands of euros/dollars a month in real money trading(dubbed RMT). Recently, Russians in EVE have taken to DDOSing American and European players communications tools(websites, voip, etc) to allow them an easier time to take valuable space in game.

      Basically, there are some serious Russian players in EVE and they make good money doing what they do. Will the Russians live up to what people like Clancy have made them out to be? Would be interesting to see

    3. Re:The rise of the cyber assassins. by lexsird · · Score: 1

      I think its rather futile of a tool to catch a hacker with any talent with that. For the average Joe wanting to torrent something, its going to snap down on your balls like a steel trap. It will be good for tracking the general noob public, but even after a while, noobs will have tools to circumvent it if they want. There is other provisions and improvements that look really sexy. But if they think its going to be the silver bullet they are looking for, they have been smoking some Southern agriculture.

      To be frankly honest, I think some biotech integration stuff is over the horizon. I am crazy, right? Feature this but ratchet it up a notch. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AvP5E3PFD3U&feature=related

      Groups like this coordinating with twitter or even a home brew network, wow! Time to dust off the old 2nd Amendment, no? If that breaks out into some wild craze, they will not only be slamming some IPv6, TPM, and even the kitchen sink into law. That will give rise for the DEMAND for biotech security measures.

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    4. Re:The rise of the cyber assassins. by vaporland · · Score: 1

      Or, LulzSec is an agent provocateur designed to justify a hacker crackdown like you are describing, and send a warning to those who would follow them.

      Remember that in "1984", Winston Smith was betrayed by O'Brien, who Smith believed was an ally...

      That certainly changed when the caged rat was strapped to Smith's head.

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    5. Re:The rise of the cyber assassins. by lexsird · · Score: 1

      The old "grow weeds so you can pull them" trick? I would think that trick is about used up, and or the world has enough "weeds" on its own.

      The one problem with lulz is that if you play them as a card, someone has to go down. If not, then the ball will get passed to someone who will look into it. The evidence had better be pristine as well or in this technical clime it will get picked apart. So if you find a scape goat, it can't be sloppy, and this group implies there are multiples of them, so you need multiple scape goats.

      Now didn't some country make some arrests already concerning one of these groups? I was surprised where they were. I figured they were home grown. Or did some patsy fit the bill? This is why a guy needs to see what bills for appropriations are coming up. Of course this pretense wouldn't take too long hold up, Congress seems to have the attention span of an ADD fruit fly on crack. They hand out the money, the problem goes away, everyone is happy as pigs in slop. Rinse and repeat as necessary.

      I don't know, that takes a lot of balls.

      Here is more of a fucked up scenario that we could worry about. Did you look at those videos? I didn't want to point out the obvious. But imagine if lets say, another disgruntled ethic group with possibly a jealous bone to pick with us decided to implement those tactics? A big influx of weapons to them, not unlike the one we seen our incompetent/crooked agents unleash in Cartel country, would be a nice starter for them to augment those Flash Robberies, transforming them into Flash Tactics or Flash Terrorism.

      From what I glean isn't there some hostile groups in that geographic region that have maps of territories they want to "liberate" back from us? Some old news, but still interesting. http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/laplaza/2008/04/mexico-reconque.html Checking the date, that is from 2008, of course its stale, but I ponder what has become of this kind of thing.

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    6. Re:The rise of the cyber assassins. by d4fseeker · · Score: 1

      Why would a company even want their "cyber-tracker" to get physical? Those kiddies LIVE for the internet, let the internet virtually kill them. It shouldn't be too hard for skilled black-hats to get keyloggers to that person's computer, steal his (or his mom's) credit card, and post it all over the net. Then hack into a police station (if even nukes are hackable, then certainly _SOME_ police station will be), get a bogus warrant out which will take a few days to clear up, get the power company to mark his bills as unpaid, ... Alternatively just DDoS his IP so he can't get online for a few days and risk his ISP disconnecting his line to protect the network... We live in a cyber society with cyber-warfare. Cyber-bullying is just the next step, hard to prove and impossible to track.

    7. Re:The rise of the cyber assassins. by lexsird · · Score: 1

      You are listing about 4 or 5 things, each with inherent problems of their own. Perhaps if you scaled an operation to do this assembly line like to an entire crew of them, it might have the desired effect. Or not. The problem is it leaves them breathing to keep doing screwy things or even figure out who did it to them and then its a war of attrition.

      Besides, you miss the point, like the Sony hack, that cost Sony millions of dollars I am sure. I don't know about your ideas of forgiveness, but if you do one million dollars damage to some people, they aren't going to just chock it up to "oh those pesky kids". They will be seriously pisT. Not to mention, the cops and the government seems to just say "Deeerp!" and are mired down in red tape, bureaucracy and politics and other things infinitely more important. Doing something like ignoring this, because the American competitor Xbox 360 and Xbox Live will sponge up the lost business. Anyway, I digress.

      You take your cyber assassin, he finds the group, plays fanboi and gets in at some level. Moves up through the ranks, partially through his bag of tricks and partially by (a her would be easier and make this story more fun) social hacking. He finds the leader or leaders and does a Dexter on them, taking some video for the employer's satisfaction and for "shock n awe" on the surviving crew and or some serious head games for anyone else wanting to try this. They probably need to do the entire family for full effect. Scorched earth kind of stuff that does Colonel Kurtz Warm & Fuzz Playbook of a Kinder, Gentler PsyOps on them.

      *When that hits the news, how many shocked, scared, computer noob parents will run screaming to their kid's room, yanking the computer out of it, cords, keyboard, mouse, printer, modem all in tow on cords behind them all the way out to the curb trash cans? "YOU ARE GROUNDED!!!" "But...but ...but..but.....but Daaaaaaaad!"

      This is reading like Jay and Silent Bob Lose Their Fucking Minds. On a more serious note, perhaps once we get some IPv6 and everything compliant with Big Brother, they will just end up thinning these loose ends up on the Internet and we can at last enjoy other fucked things in peace. But imagine then, if they try this, get caught, then sued by Sony for millions of dollars of damages. Each of them sharing in the cost of the damages, and of course, parents being forced to pay for what their damn kids did. Then again we can go back to * and get a chuckle without someone unleashing the Kraken.

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    8. Re:The rise of the cyber assassins. by lexsird · · Score: 1

      Ah Sweet Jesus! I forgot they were fucking with EVE. I think I have mentioned that the EVE player base isn't something to fuck with. EVE evolved out of BBS's and Trade Wars, so its player base hails from computer geeks older than dirt. Old computer geeks>nubsauce scriptkiddies The math isn't looking so good for the lulz.

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  33. They do help @ times (NHS too) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I pointed out last time there was an article here about them, that they're an odd lot because they DO "help out" rather than harm @ times!

    Case-in-Point/e.g.-> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=LulzSec+and+NHS&btnG=Search

    A specific one from that search is this one here next... & this "pertinent quote/excerpt" from said article:

    http://techmento.com/2011/06/10/lulzsec-hacks-nhs/

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    "LulzSec claimed that it did not mean any harm to the organization but just wanted to them a service.

    As proof, LulzSec posted the administrator passwords to the NHS, and but blanked them out when it published the e-mail on Twitter."

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    * Thus, it appears these guys are not your "garden variety" hacker/cracker types online...

    (Don't know IF I'd call them funny, but they sure are an "odd lot" for hacker/cracker types!)

    APK

    P.S.=> Sometimes, you can actually look @ these "hacker/cracker" types as not SO bad, because they do point out what needs fixing - I've even tried to "look @ the bright side" on malware makers in that point-of-view as well (not as much though).

    Hey - So, in LulzSec's case, they actually have a couple proofs of it in this article here today, AND, in the past (see link above)

    ... apk

  34. Stop Giving Censors Amunition. by VortexCortex · · Score: 2

    I think that's a good thing.

    Many people think that LulzSec is has been infiltrated by the government to further a political agenda. Even if they haven't been, they are playing right into the hands of those who wish to eradicate anonymity from the Internet, and impose harsh censorship.

    Just after I watched an online video wherein Hillary Clinton and others discussed the importance of forming America's Cyber Security Plan with International cooperation in mind I talked to my friends about this; Most all of them said, "What? Why do we need an Internet Police, this is just more big government getting into things they don't understand. Sure, make some rules for government systems, set some guidelines for security, and make sure to audit security practices of banks, but stay out of the Internet as a whole."

    After LulzSec began attacking servers of some of my friends Minecraft and League of Legends games along with other game companies, and releasing thousands of email addresses for porn surfers my friend's attitudes have mostly changed.

    Now when asked if we should have harsher punishments for "hacking" (read: cracking), government mandated security practices, or if penetration tools should be made illegal and require a license to own my friends have changed their mind. When asked they say, "I think this is a good thing."

    Step back a moment and look at the big picture. Anonymous cracks a few servers and mostly does a weak DDoS (read: not even a RDDoS) against websites perceived to be pro censorship (DDoS doesn't have the same effect as releasing thousands of passwords, etc). If you are a pro censorship government body, you may rally your forces and point at the weakness of the systems and say to others in places of power: "You could be Next!" to get them on board with your Cyber Security plans.

    However, we're forgetting the common man. How do we get them on board with this Cyber Security agenda? And then LulzSec is formed Possibly with the help of Anonymous members that were turned by the FBI or NSA? Who knows. I just find it a little too convenient that "doing it for the lulz" equates to placing the "dangers of hackers" in the face of the common man.

    A good thing? I think not.

  35. Re:Sick and tired of this, both in USA and my coun by Mashiki · · Score: 0

    Liberals have been doing this for 9 years. I suddenly see that as soon as someone applies it to the opposite side of the spectrum it's OMG NOES! YOU CAN'T DO THAT!

    Bah fucking partisan hacks make me ill.

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  36. Re:Sick and tired of this, both in USA and my coun by amiga3D · · Score: 1

    Agreed! A plague on both parties! This is the problem with US politics, the two party shuffle. Too bad the sheeple will never figure out that they are being divided and conquered. The powers behind both parties just keep picking two sides of different issues to get people fighting over so they never notice their wealth and their future are going down the drain. The same people who denounce President Obama now will, if he gets replaced with a republican, praise that one as he continues the job of ripping off the country.

  37. Re:Sick and tired of this, both in USA and my coun by AngryDeuce · · Score: 1

    I wish I knew why so many people behave this way when it comes to politics. It's really sad how people don't vote for the candidate they want in office as much as they vote against the candidate they don't.

    I had hopes for a real 3rd party in my lifetime (and no, I don't count the Tea Party as a 3rd party, because that'd be like calling blue dog Dems a 3rd Party) but the big money interests won't let that happen. It's too convenient to their interests to keep us fighting over the crumbs. Now I honestly believe only open revolution will change our government.

    Orwell had it fucking right. We've always been at war with Eurasia. Or was it Eastasia? Better pour myself another glass of Victory Gin and pop on the telescreen, it's about time for the Two Minute Hate, and all this thinking makes my head hurt...

  38. Well, SEGA became a nonissue player before they by gearloos · · Score: 1

    Well, SEGA became a nonissue player before they had enough power, and the technology advances, to be Evil. Sony and Co, on the other hand, Are greedy, monopolistic monstrosities that feel they are above the law. Don't think so? When did I give them permission to install a root kit on my computer? -- Well, SEGA never did anything like that. They sold games, and consoles. period.

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  39. Re:George M. Howell of West Richland = troll by gmhowell · · Score: 1

    Where the fuck is West Richland?

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  40. its from a movie by decora · · Score: 0

    anchorman, will ferrell and danny trejo

  41. dude, you just scared the shit out of me by decora · · Score: 1

    jesus man, where do you get all that stuff?

    1. Re:dude, you just scared the shit out of me by lexsird · · Score: 1

      I like to write and have an active imagination? ..lol...sorry.

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    2. Re:dude, you just scared the shit out of me by Stone2065 · · Score: 1

      Sounds like Shadowrun is coming early...

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    3. Re:dude, you just scared the shit out of me by Eponymous+Hero · · Score: 0

      that plot is just bad enough to be the movie script for swordfish 2.

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  42. Re:Sick and tired of this, both in USA and my coun by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yep, both sides r bad! derp derp

    You'd think 8 years of President Just-The-Same-As-Gore would have disabused you dumbfucks of that notion.

  43. Re:George M. Howell of West Richland = troll by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It would seem that apk still has a soft spot for that trolling Rachel bitch - even after she pointed out the lack of links to the first post and a discussion ensued!

    I'm surprised she isn't trolling your weak spot, apk! Pray she doesn't rub it in, eh?

  44. Re:George M. Howell of West Richland = troll by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Truly, that was the absolute gayest thing I've ever seen posted here on Slashdot.
    And that means gayer than the gay erotica that rears its ugly head from time to time.

    Who the fuck even cares? Are you George's fuck toy? Not getting enough attention?

    Why don't you just cut off your balls and run around with your dick between your legs?
    Seriously.

  45. George M. Howell in his own words by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    On being an admitted TROLL that stalks & harasses others here on slashdot:

    (Quotes from troll gmhowell say it all)

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    "I've been trolling people for 36 years. Why would I stop now? I've also never denied trolling" - by gmhowell (26755) on Sunday April 17, @05:03AM (#35846218) Homepage Journal

    FROM -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2087330&cid=35846218

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    "I never denied trolling you. And the only person I troll under the AC banner is (name withheld). - by gmhowell (26755) on Tuesday December 14 2010, @02:55AM (#34543612) Homepage Journal

    FROM -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1907528&cid=34543612

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    "I saw an opportunity to troll you" - by gmhowell (26755) on Monday December 13, @06:56PM (#34541134) Homepage Journal

    FROM -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1907528&cid=34541134

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    "I do whatever amuses me at the moment. Sometimes that is trolling. As far as AC? I only do that to avoid undoing moderations." - by gmhowell (26755) on Wednesday April 20, @12:49AM (#35877174) Homepage

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    This IS why nobody here takes you seriously, or pays you any mind, gmhowell (or should I say George M. Howell): You're a troll!

    (Steer clear of that scumbag gmhowell people)

  46. George M. Howell in his own words by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    On being an admitted TROLL that stalks & harasses others here on slashdot:

    (Quotes from troll gmhowell say it all)

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    "I've been trolling people for 36 years. Why would I stop now? I've also never denied trolling" - by gmhowell (26755) on Sunday April 17, @05:03AM (#35846218) Homepage Journal

    FROM -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2087330&cid=35846218

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    "I never denied trolling you. And the only person I troll under the AC banner is (name withheld). - by gmhowell (26755) on Tuesday December 14 2010, @02:55AM (#34543612) Homepage Journal

    FROM -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1907528&cid=34543612

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    "I saw an opportunity to troll you" - by gmhowell (26755) on Monday December 13, @06:56PM (#34541134) Homepage Journal

    FROM -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1907528&cid=34541134

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    "I do whatever amuses me at the moment. Sometimes that is trolling. As far as AC? I only do that to avoid undoing moderations." - by gmhowell (26755) on Wednesday April 20, @12:49AM (#35877174) Homepage

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    This IS why nobody here takes you seriously, or pays you any mind, gmhowell (or should I say George M. Howell): You're a troll!

    (Steer clear of that scumbag gmhowell people)

  47. Re:George M. Howell of West Richland = troll by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    He can't be gay, he's proved from his postings here (and in the parent above) that he has a soft spot for some really ugly bitch from England who trolls here, ask him why he won't link to that first thread, he near enough bit her head off for asking why he omitted the link!

    She's gone now; she probably knows whats good for her, but this (lack of) link has been posted dozens of times since, so it's no accident that he won't involve her even though she's a self-admitted trollin' bitch (although, in her own words, she only "trolls for peace")

  48. Re:Sick and tired of this, both in USA and my coun by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    To anyone stuck on Dick Cheney, over two years and a half years after he is gone from office as the Vice President of the United States (not even the President, ignoring all puppetry jokes), then they are not against Obama.

  49. Sony Hackers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I still can't believe the Sony hackers were able to get so many people's personal information, plus what about their credit cards! I guess they all had to cancel them. What a pain.

    Source: http://www.creditcards.org/article/who-organized-sony-credit-card-break-and-how-.html

  50. Dreamcast, eh? by RazorSharp · · Score: 1

    Dreamcast was the XBox 1. It ran a version of Windows CE.

    How come these LulzSec guys keep on indirectly benefiting Microsoft? They've targeted both Sony and Nintendo (of course, they took it easy on N b/c they "Liked the N64").

    I feel old, like my chief complaint against these kids is "get off my lawn," but I don't get where this generation of kids get their motivation. They seem to really care about video game companies, more than most hackers of my generation.

    And like most Slashdotters, I belong to a generation where Microsoft was the big evil company (and some of you particularly old geezers may remember a time when IBM was the big threat to the tech world). I still believe that Microsoft is the biggest threat to what technology could and should be. They have a corporate vision of a technological future that clashes with the ideologies of the FOSS movement. That's why the 'evil' label was applied to them -- it's flat out evil to try to get every world government and corporation dependent on your products because that's seeking a position of power greater than any government. But I don't see anything Sony has done as evil. Shady, yes, but Sony doesn't have the means let alone the vision to have the type of negative impact Microsoft has on the world of technology.

    Which brings us back to this new generation of hacker kids: Is their worldview limited to the world of video games? Furthermore, people of my generation who hated Microsoft did productive things to fight them such as write FOSS programs to directly compete with commercial MS products. Or sometimes more minor things: convince their boss to use something else ('gee, boss, no one ever got fired for buying IBM'), ensure that websites they design commercially work on all browsers on all platforms (there was a time when a lazy web designer could get away with only worrying about IE/Windows), and of course be vocal about FOSS or at least vocally support MS competitors. We wanted to slay the beast, but we weren't willing to go black-hat to do it (well, I'm sure there were some, but it certainly wasn't a phenomenon like it is now).

    But Microsoft seems to be completely off of these Lulz kids radar. While I don't think it's some MS-conspiracy, I do think there's an easy explanation: These kids have XBox360s and Windows PCs and they're too young to remember the MS DoJ case let alone any of the early Gates antics. They liked the Dreamcast, that makes sense, they were probably in elementary school that year (and hell, you could pirate games easy as pie).

    So basically, get the fuck off my lawn. If you want to take up a cause, at least take up one that is worth fighting for. Sony shoots themselves in the foot often enough that they don't need anyone doing it for them. But that's the whole story with these kids: they don't go after Blackwater, they go after the CIA. They don't go after Fox News or MSNBC (both equally corrupt on opposite sides of the spectrum), they go after PBS, one of the only respectable news sources left. What a bunch of fucking geniuses.

    (And just in case someone wants to argue that these kids are good for security: If I broke into every house in my neighborhood, security would likely increase, but freedoms will decrease. Who will be LOLing when anonymity is gone from the internet because of a group called "Anonymous" and a group called "LulzSec"? All these bastards are doing is giving legislatures an excuse to limit internet freedom.)

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    1. Re:Dreamcast, eh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Umm... the Dreamcast most of the time used a propietary system called "Katana", I think that was a linux fork, because the Sega guys though that WinCE sucks.

      Also for the Dreamcast was created a free "OS" called Kallistios (http://indiedreams.wikia.com/wiki/KallistiOS) that is used even today... well, only for the Dreamcast fans (http://gamedev.allusion.net/softprj/kos/)

      Anyway the point is that right now, in the spirit of hacking, they think that the Dreamcast was a good console because was well designed and you can use or create Homebrew games or emulators.

      I don't consider a hacker, only a Dreamcast fan, and I think that can understand at least the feelings for that magnificent console.

    2. Re:Dreamcast, eh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I stopped reading this when I read 'FOSS'. The FOSS has fallen so far behind closed source it's unreal. Without proper investment there is a clear lack of quality control. That's why FOSS will only ever be playing catch-up.

    3. Re:Dreamcast, eh? by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      . I still believe that Microsoft is the biggest threat to what technology could and should be.

      Microsoft is mainly a threat to geeks who don't like the hoi polloi playing wih their toys.

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  51. From my own mouth ... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Disregard that, I am a NIGGER.

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    1. Re:From my own mouth ... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's an obvious attempt at impersonation. I read his post on George the troll's own admissions, and even I can tell that much. George Howell do you think we're that stupid? I'm not posting under my registered account and I'm already here because I don't want good old George to troll me too. Takes a real man George (not) to act like that harassing others online. I'd like to see you try it in the outside world. People like you are disgusting gmhowell and part of the problem online.

  52. Have the Luiz guys played recent Sega games? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I love my Dreamcast. Still have it. Still play it sometimes. But Sega isn't what it used to be. Maybe if Luiz played a more recent Sega title (say, Sonic Unleashed) then they'd feel more lukewarm about Sega. :-D

  53. Re:Sick and tired of this, both in USA and my coun by smellotron · · Score: 1

    This is the problem with US politics, the two party shuffle. Too bad the sheeple will never figure out that they are being divided and conquered.

    The two-party system is a symptom, not a cause. See this encyclopedia article on Duverger's Law for a better argument than I can provide. The presence of this symptom does not imply that people are sheeple, as it is something of a prisoner's dilemma.

  54. The Fallacy breaks down by rsilvergun · · Score: 1

    in the modern economy. Take the United States: Population growth since 1990 has been about 20%, but the size of the economy has doubled. Meanwhile wages are stagnant. The wealth has gone somewhere; specifically to the top 5%. It then becomes the job of society to figure out how to pry that wealth from the hands of that lucky 5% (or, alternatively, society degenerates into a handful of very wealthy and a mass of very, very poor; e.g. a rising tide sinks all but the biggest boats).

    I suppose broken windows is one way to force the uber rich to part with some of their horde.

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  55. Re:Sick and tired of this, both in USA and my coun by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Your comment is devalued by what appears in brackets. Never undue your argument, don't devalue it with nonsense.

  56. Re:Sick and tired of this, both in USA and my coun by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I voted for Carter, and it was a mistake to condemn his admin for losing the war in Iran, but the world did just that. We have been fighting this war for hundreds of years. If you think the war is us against them you are half right. If you think your side will win you are a fool. There is no winning. One side never wins...Obama just evened up the score by letting the SEALS bring us a trophy. All for the camera, just to impress you. No side is against war. There is your debate...now don't fuck it up.

  57. Forgot to mention this too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Stop projecting, fag. The rest of us are normal heterosexuals, so you can go cruise for a piece of ass someplace else. Go find another dish, we're not on the menu.

  58. Ohh one more thing... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you ever played Resident Evil: Code Veronica on the Dreamcast and on PS2 you notice that it looks better on the DC and on the PS2 there is a longer "loading" time every time you open a door.

    And when Sega told Micro$oft that design a OS for the DC, MS take note of the console and then they decide to make the XBOX. You must compare the control of the first XBOX and the DC.

  59. Re:Sick and tired of this, both in USA and my coun by mug+funky · · Score: 1

    sheeple is a fucking hateful word.

    it implies that you believe you're the only thinking Man among the flock of brainless sheep.

    which begs the question: why aren't you the fucking shepherd? what's keeping you in your proverbial Mum's basement?

    it must be pretty cool to be you.

  60. Re:George M. Howell of West Richland = troll by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Are you replying in the same post you thought you were? I don't see any apk here. I did see that George likes trolling others online, and I am no fan of trolls myself. They are part of the problem that makes the internet rotten in some aspects and rather cowardly.

  61. DC is a good console (12 years old and counting) by satanclos · · Score: 1

    Umm... the Dreamcast most of the time used a propietary system called "Katana", I think that was a linux fork, because the Sega guys though that WinCE sucks. Also for the Dreamcast was created a free "OS" called KallistiOS that is used even today... well, only for Dreamcast Homebrew fans. The newest game in development for the DC its called Sturmwind,, check the entry on wikipedia. If you ever played Resident Evil: Code Veronica on the Dreamcast and on PS2 you notice that it looks better on the DC and on the PS2 there is a longer "loading" time every time you open a door. And when Sega told Micro$oft that design a OS for the DC, M$ take note of the console and then they decide to make the XBOX. You must compare the controls of the first XBOX and the DC, they are very similar Anyway the point is that right now, in the spirit of hacking, they think that the Dreamcast was a good console because was well designed and you can use it to create Homebrew games or emulators. I don't consider myself a hacker, only a Dreamcast fan, and I think that I can understand at least they feelings for that magnificent console.

  62. DOS attack on CIA or Pentagan? by Billly+Gates · · Score: 1

    Didn't these guys say they did a DOS on a major government site just a week ago?

    I hope they get the book thrown at them. I have been reading about them at ars technica for the past 2 weeks and not a day goes through where they brag about doing damage, espionage, or how they are l33ter than everyone else.

    I am sick of them. They are criminals and if they are retarded enough to do these things then you can bet the FBI is already on their asses with probably the white house itself tracking their every move.

    What worries me is not them but others who are going to gather and do these things. No it is not the case of them being the good guys and showing private companies which systems are insecure if they cost hundredes of millions of dollars and lost face, for companies like Sony. I have no respect for them.

  63. Most of them probably also work in security. by elucido · · Score: 1

    Most hackers work in information security. If they were former hackers or current, blackhat or whitehat, there isn't a lot of difference besides that one group gets paid over the table and follows the law while the other gets paid by the black market or not at all and does not follow laws.

    Like Yin and Yang they both co-exist to the benefit of each other.

    1. Re:Most of them probably also work in security. by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Fairly unlikely. I work in IT-Sec, and for every single job I applied for, ever, they asked for a police record. A spotless police record. So the decision what side you choose happens rather early in your career. Even if you're a top notch, once-in-a-century hacking wizkid, you will be associated with someone who isn't. And security works both ways, the weakest link breaks the chain.

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  64. So hire some professional hackers to stop them by elucido · · Score: 1

    If you don't like Lulz security hire some hackers to stop them. Actually spend the money to secure your data and your network. Most of these hackers weren't from zero-day exploits that no one knew about, but even if they were they shouldnt have been this effective.

  65. "They reached to" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is English not your first language?

  66. Re:Sick and tired of this, both in USA and my coun by Jedi+Alec · · Score: 1

    Nah, it just means he's realized it's fucking hopeless, and one might as well treat the sheep the way they want to be treated...to be led, to be shorn and ultimately to be slaughtered*

    *Special offcers may apply in Wales or Australia

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  67. Re:Sick and tired of this, both in USA and my coun by tehcyder · · Score: 1

    use of "sheeple" fail

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  68. Re:Sick and tired of this, both in USA and my coun by tehcyder · · Score: 1

    Now I honestly believe only open revolution will change our government.

    And replace it with what? An anarcho-syndicalist collective? A Leninist interim workers' parliament? Oh no, you probably want a return to the good old Founding Fathers' times, slave-owning, god-bothering, bigotry, economic injustice and all.

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  69. I think this is what "They" want by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have thought about that as well, and sincerely it seems rather suspicious, you see, it's like if they actually want to get caught or at least force somebody's hand to catch them, having no purpose and simply performing random attacks its like if they are means to and end, like showing how dangerous hackers are in order to put in place stronger laws and allowing governments to have a stronger hand on this cases.

    Call me paranoid but I'm pretty sure that this is very odd indeed, they have LOTS of time and LOTS of knowledge and time between every hack is suspiciously small, like having lots and lots of resources at hand both technical and human.

    The cake is a lie

  70. No, you are not. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    People on slashdot are always so keen on thinking that their response is unique among the hordes of equally-educated geeks on this site.

    You are just one among many. Accept it.

  71. Don't fall for it by Taylor123456789 · · Score: 0

    Writing an article about these adolescents just gives them what they want: attention.

  72. LulzSec *is* trolling by b4dc0d3r · · Score: 1

    If you're in it for the lulz, can you think of anything more hilarious than attacking the big guys, and arbitrarily choosing one of the smaller players to defend?

    That's funny to me. And yes, they are trolling. They might have been the attackers behind Sega, making it all the more hilarious. It's not supposed to make sense. Making sense of it screws up the whole plan.

    (Argue about Sega being smaller all you want - they used to make hardware, now they don't)

  73. Why not Micro$oft ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Better idea that nintendo, sony etc, is M$.. is public enemy number one, oracle.. =)

  74. Re:Sick and tired of this, both in USA and my coun by Tolkien · · Score: 1

    [...]in the first place.

    Sorry..

  75. Re:Sick and tired of this, both in USA and my coun by sorak · · Score: 1

    The two minute hate has been replaced by talk radio. And I'm pretty sure it's a three hour broadcast now.