> because if we can never know these things for sure That's the only fallacy in your logic.
Beautiful post though.
> real religion is Actually, "real" religion is putting your beliefs into action by the lifestyle you live. If you never do anything with your beliefs, they are just that, beliefs.
> You know, people use this all the time, and it's simply not true. Wrong is wrong.
Since you live in a black & white world -- would you lie to save your child's life?
(In case you think this is some hypothetical question, in some parts of the world, where rape is prevalent, if a mother knows her daughter/children is home, she will lie to her assailants in order to protect her children.)
Would you steal food if you were homeless?
How do you stop another person physically using violence against another? Is it justifiable to use violence to force them to stop?
> It's not like you have a quota of immorality points you can spend how you like, and if you don't go over that limit, all is forgiven.
Wow only has 6 basic types of quests:
* "Kill" -- Kill 'X' out of 'Y' mobs
* "Random Drop" -- Kill 'X' mobs until item 'Z' drops
* "Boss" -- Kill 'X' mob (usually a boss) and get their 'Y' body part
* "Gopher" -- Semi-Common. Go fetch item 'Z'
* "Escort" -- Rare. Escort NPC from 'A' to 'B'
* "Defend" -- Very rare. Defend/protect an npc against incoming waves of mobs.
-- Wikipedia believes in the myth of NPOV. You can see the censoring under any critcism page, such as World of Warcraft Criticism
Maybe if DVD-Audio wasn't limited to 192 KHz _analog_ us audiophiles might take it seriously.
And SACD?! 1-bit sampled at a really high rate, is still junk.
the confirmation by Sony that DSD technique, used in SACD, uses multi-bit PCM during recording and mastering processes and that only uses one-bit technique as it applies to consumer playback
I don't need your "permission" to backup "my" DVDs, CD's, and Games. Thank-God for civil disobedience over stupid laws.
There is no moral difference if I lend my original to a friend, or make a copy and keep my original safely tucked away, even though there is a legal difference.
> People do not have free will, that is an illusion.
* You have the choice to kill yourself, or to live... * To eat, or to starve... * To work, or not work... * To complain, or think about ways of changing reality... * To _do_ something about your situation, or do nothing... * Even the act of not choosing, is still a choice...
You create your reality, and are forced to live with the consequences of your choices.
Fate and Free-Will are not mutually exclusive.
> "Hey, tough luck starving Ethiopian dude, but you must have chosen this life experience. Can't do anything for you, sorry."
You're ignorant of the person's Karma along with the Soul's purpose along for putting them in that experience in the first place. Life is completely fair; everyone gets what they deserve. It is only _your perception_ that makes it appear unfair, because you don't have all the facts, and reasons. The solution to a problem is easy, when you have a different paradigm.
-- It's not where you start, but where you end up, that determines your growth. Without opportunities to grow, you haven't proven you've passed the Test of Life.
"Don't assume, you'll make an ass out of u and me."
-- You don't have to wait until after you've been dead and had your life review, to realize too late how pointless materialism really was and learn that the only lasting "things" of value were the people you influenced.
> You have no right to take the fruits of other peoples hard work without compensating them. You've been taught the sum of human's knowledge by people long since dead. Did _you_ compensate them? There have been countless philosophers, teachers, scientists, throughout the ages. Civilization is built upon SHARING for the GREATER good. How can you say you own something, when you were inspired, taught, and influenced by others.
There 2 types of artists -- those who create because they can, and those who create to make a buck. You're not the one who determines its value -- the people _interested_ in it do, and will share it with others because they think IT has value. There is nothing you can do about word of mouth advertising except whine about being "compensated"
> This is just morally wrong No, its not. Ownership is a myth, propogated by immature people whining "mine, mine" not realizing you owned _nothing_ before you were born, and will own _nothing_ when you die. Is that how you want to be remembered? As some artist who bitched about "ownership", instead of focusing on what matters -- "creating things of value", that others found worthwhile.
Why do you think it is _legal_ to share music in Canada? Because people realize the stupidity of "digital scarcity"
Intellectual Property Rights are neither Property nor Rights.
> The principle you outlined is related to the Avogadro's number hence the name of the project.
How can you expect to have any degree of accuracy if you don't even have an exact value for one of the fundamental constants?! At best we have a estimate which isn't even that accurate, unlike other people who are actually proposing how to calculate it.
-- Until you've been dead, you don't realize how completely clueless Science and Religion are about Life, Consciousness, Time, and God.
If you don't care for the moral reasons, there is also the health reasons to consider. Maybe you enjoy increasing your odds for disease -- that is your prerogative.
Everyone has to their own choice to make concerning their fate... but it doesn't change the fact that you are a product of what you eat, think, and do.
> because after you die your opinions won't matter much anyways.
That's partially true! You'll realize the fact that you're a Spiritual Body living in a Physical Body having a Human Experience and wasted most of your life on useless rhetoric everyone else told instead you of instead of finding your own truth. The NDE/OBE is one way to verify this -- and then you _know_.
The only way to truly understand Life is to understand Death. Death is not the end, just another beginning.
I know you're being funny, but you first have to learn to crawl before running. Similarly, you don't advance from Kindergarten to post PhD knowledge in one day.
Anyways, the steps for advancing your spirituality is:
1) carnivorism a) cutting out fat / fatty foods b) cutting out sugar and other refined foods 2) vegetarian 3) vegan 4) fruitarian / nutarian 5) waterian 6) lightarian
There have been a few people throughout history who didn't eat anything, but you'll have to do your own research since you have to find your own truth.
One step at a time. You have as many lifetimes as you need.
Any audiophile knows Bose are complete crap. "All the highs, none of the lows, must be Bose." is the old saying. The only reason they are popular is because Bose spends more on marketing then what other companies make as profit and they are "optizimized" for pop music; anything else sounds like shit through them.
Audiophiles will start taking Bose seriously when they start providing some basic info!:
1. What is their frequency _range_? (# Hz - # Hz) 2. What is the efficieny and setup of their drivers and tweeters? #dB (@ 1 watt / 1 meter) 3. How flat is their frequency _response? (# Hz - # Hz +/- # db) 4. What is their impedence graph?
Bose are the DeBeers of Diamonds in the audio world. Overpriced, and crap ROI.
If you want to see & hear a sample of what REAL speakers are supposed to be like, these 2 internet only companies have some great products, and get rave reviews, with prices to match your budget.
* Rockets 760 -- Upgraded Onyx Rockets 750 that blew people away a few years ago.
* For subs, the best bang for the buck are the classic SVS Subs for _CLEAN_ and LOUD BASS for all your audio and home theatre needs.
The place to learn about audio, is the AVS Forum. I've posted tips on Plasma tweaking their, and my experiences with my own Rockets.
> OK, most of your post is simply opinion, so I won't spend too much time telling you I disagree.
That's perfectly understandable! You haven't had my _experiences_, so you haven't had a frame of reference to understand extra dimensions or non-human consciousness. BUT, there is a way to find these answers, once you accept the fact that you are Spiritual Being in a Physical Body having a Human Experience. Science is in for a whole lot of fun in the near future (specifically the 25th century), once it acknowledges we currently only measure and interact with less then 12% of the actual universe.
>> "The question we should be asking is 'Why isn't it [objective]!'" > Let me be a smart-ass for a moment. Did you fall asleep in your Science and Math classes?
This answer _isn't_ found or taught in class. It is _only_ found via experience. Some truth can _only_ be experienced. Much like seeing, or hearing.
> Say for a moment that this question has an agreeable answer. What will we do with it?
Like we do with all knowledge -- we use it as a base to help us to understand ourselves, the universe, and the purpose for why things happen; it greatly expands our knowledge base. You will dramatically live your life differently once you know how you treat people will effect your future lives, that death is just a changing of the shell, hell is just a state of mind, that there are countless conscious life forms (on this planet and others), etc.
It's just the first step towards realizing our incredible human potential.
> Science man measures every level of EM radiation in area and finds no proof of the existence of any such beings and decides that, until such proof can be provided, the angels aren't there.
Of course Science isn't going to find them -- it is looking in the _wrong_ place. Same for Life and Consciousness. FYI, there are more then just 4 (physical/space-time) dimensions. Plants, Rocks, and even the Dead all have consciousness, but they don't exist in this realm. It is only recently we've had the tech (again) to detect them. Thankfully people don't need the crutch of technology to access other dimensions.
> Blind faith begets that which faith is placed upon
Science too has faith, and at times, it is just as blind. (See previous post for essays.)
* It was by faith that man believed he could see something smaller then light would allow him. * It was by faith man believed he could overcome the law of gravity and fly. * It was by faith that man believed he could walk on the moon.
Until he _had_ done it, he didn't _know_ he could do it. By putting his beliefs into practice, he demonstrated his faith.
> The objective does not build upon the subjective.
Did you fall asleep in your Science, Math, and Philosophy classes?
Theory comes AFTER Observation.
If you were born blind you're going to tell me you know what what red, green, or blue is!? IF you can not experience reality, you can not make any objective claims about it, because how did you verify them?! e.g. I believe gravity exists because "something" keeps pulling me down. I compare "notes" with you, and we notice we have a common experience. It is _by_ our subjective experiences, that we can formulate the objective. I can verify the experience myself.
Science's fallacy is that it thinks everyone's reality is objective -- it is not. The question we should be asking is "Why isn't it!"
-- "It is only together with the Masculine Science and the Feminine Religion will the other be able to transcend its own limitations."
> if you want answers, or "the truth" then immerse yourself in a religion.
I think you are confused about Truth, Religion, or Science, which are different sides of the same coin.
Science IS a Religion, because Religion is putting your beliefs into practice. Science has just as much dogma as any religion. Others have written about The Farce of Physics and The Inconsistency of the Electron as well.
What would motivate Albert Einstein to write:
"In the temple of science are many mansions, and various indeed are they that dwell therein and the motives that have led them thither. Many take to science out of a joyful sense of superior intellectual power; science is their own special sport to which they look for vivid experience and the satisfaction of ambition; many others are to be found in the temple who have offered the products of their brains on this altar for purely utilitarian purposes. Were an angel of the Lord to come and drive all the people belonging to these two categories out of the temple, the assemblage would be seriously depleted, but there would still be some men, of both present and past times, left inside."
The Objective builds upon the Subjective. Just because Religion worships the Subjective, and Science worships the Objective, doesn't mean one truth negates another. Science is like the blind man laughing at the man who can see color, in denial of their own lack of perception.
Religion answers Why you were born. Science answers How you were born.
Both are important to achieving a _complete_ picture.
-- Unless you've been dead or out of the body, you don't have a reference framework to understand Life, Consciousness, and Time. Science's knowledge (or total lack of it) is a complete and total joke.
Having implemented OpenGL on the Wii, I think the truth lies someplace in the middle -- it should be doable. While most open source code is crap, *cough* Mesa *cough* the proof is in the pudding -- it works. The biggest challenge is writing clean and abstract code without sacrificing performance.
-- Why C++ still sucks... because the standard is too lazy to do things right and remove the "long long" garbage, and I've been using it since the early 90's!
> We've gone from stone tablets to space travel in five thousand years.
You mean, we've gone back to space travel. You're forgetting the previous 25,000 and 12,000 years ago when the pyramids were built, and about the cycle of civilizations - they build up, peak and bottom out, roughly half of the Earth's precission wobble, ~ 13k years.
-- Mind NOT Space, is the final frontier. Time is just a dimension of the mind.
Slashdot Mirror
> it has some 95% of the MMO market IIRC.
Uhm, no.
Lineage has 2 million people, so even if you exclude everyone else, 8 million / 10 million is only 80%.
> because if we can never know these things for sure
That's the only fallacy in your logic.
Beautiful post though.
> real religion is
Actually, "real" religion is putting your beliefs into action by the lifestyle you live. If you never do anything with your beliefs, they are just that, beliefs.
--
Teacher: "Question Authority!"
Student: "Says who!?"
> You know, people use this all the time, and it's simply not true. Wrong is wrong.
Since you live in a black & white world -- would you lie to save your child's life?
(In case you think this is some hypothetical question, in some parts of the world, where rape is prevalent, if a mother knows her daughter/children is home, she will lie to her assailants in order to protect her children.)
Would you steal food if you were homeless?
How do you stop another person physically using violence against another? Is it justifiable to use violence to force them to stop?
> It's not like you have a quota of immorality points you can spend how you like, and if you don't go over that limit, all is forgiven.
There are, however, degrees of consequences.
> Quests are almost entirely
Wow only has 6 basic types of quests:
* "Kill" -- Kill 'X' out of 'Y' mobs
* "Random Drop" -- Kill 'X' mobs until item 'Z' drops
* "Boss" -- Kill 'X' mob (usually a boss) and get their 'Y' body part
* "Gopher" -- Semi-Common. Go fetch item 'Z'
* "Escort" -- Rare. Escort NPC from 'A' to 'B'
* "Defend" -- Very rare. Defend/protect an npc against incoming waves of mobs.
--
Wikipedia believes in the myth of NPOV. You can see the censoring under any critcism page, such as World of Warcraft Criticism
> "the grind" in WoW (the only MMORPG I know well) aren't quite valid.
The _only_ way to level up, is to kill things, so how is the grind "not valid" ???
And SACD?! 1-bit sampled at a really high rate, is still junk.
I don't need your "permission" to backup "my" DVDs, CD's, and Games. Thank-God for civil disobedience over stupid laws.
There is no moral difference if I lend my original to a friend, or make a copy and keep my original safely tucked away, even though there is a legal difference.
> Matter and energy are quantized, why not space and time? It has a nice symmetry to it --- a fan favorite for both mathematicians and physicists.
They are -- the universe is digital. Everything single "thing" has a frequency, and thus quantized.
You'll want to ready Dewry Larson's Recipal Systems. Specifically, "The Fundamental Postulates" of The Structure of the Physical Universe.
Cheers
--
Religion & Science will remain woefully incomplete until they pursue the knowledge of what happens before Life, and after Death.
> People do not have free will, that is an illusion.
* You have the choice to kill yourself, or to live...
* To eat, or to starve...
* To work, or not work...
* To complain, or think about ways of changing reality...
* To _do_ something about your situation, or do nothing...
* Even the act of not choosing, is still a choice...
You create your reality, and are forced to live with the consequences of your choices.
Fate and Free-Will are not mutually exclusive.
> "Hey, tough luck starving Ethiopian dude, but you must have chosen this life experience. Can't do anything for you, sorry."
You're ignorant of the person's Karma along with the Soul's purpose along for putting them in that experience in the first place. Life is completely fair; everyone gets what they deserve. It is only _your perception_ that makes it appear unfair, because you don't have all the facts, and reasons. The solution to a problem is easy, when you have a different paradigm.
--
It's not where you start, but where you end up, that determines your growth. Without opportunities to grow, you haven't proven you've passed the Test of Life.
Strike 1, 2, and 3. You've heard that saying?
"Don't assume, you'll make an ass out of u and me."
--
You don't have to wait until after you've been dead and had your life review, to realize too late how pointless materialism really was and learn that the only lasting "things" of value were the people you influenced.
> You have no right to take the fruits of other peoples hard work without compensating them.
You've been taught the sum of human's knowledge by people long since dead. Did _you_ compensate them? There have been countless philosophers, teachers, scientists, throughout the ages. Civilization is built upon SHARING for the GREATER good. How can you say you own something, when you were inspired, taught, and influenced by others.
There 2 types of artists -- those who create because they can, and those who create to make a buck. You're not the one who determines its value -- the people _interested_ in it do, and will share it with others because they think IT has value. There is nothing you can do about word of mouth advertising except whine about being "compensated"
> This is just morally wrong
No, its not. Ownership is a myth, propogated by immature people whining "mine, mine" not realizing you owned _nothing_ before you were born, and will own _nothing_ when you die. Is that how you want to be remembered? As some artist who bitched about "ownership", instead of focusing on what matters -- "creating things of value", that others found worthwhile.
Why do you think it is _legal_ to share music in Canada? Because people realize the stupidity of "digital scarcity"
Intellectual Property Rights are neither Property nor Rights.
> The principle you outlined is related to the Avogadro's number hence the name of the project.
How can you expect to have any degree of accuracy if you don't even have an exact value for one of the fundamental constants?! At best we have a estimate which isn't even that accurate, unlike other people who are actually proposing how to calculate it.
--
Until you've been dead, you don't realize how completely clueless Science and Religion are about Life, Consciousness, Time, and God.
> But then again you mention spirituality in conjunction with food intake, which is definitively not related.
All the world's major religions discuss the importance of not defiling the Body Temple.
If you don't care for the moral reasons, there is also the health reasons to consider. Maybe you enjoy increasing your odds for disease -- that is your prerogative.
Everyone has to their own choice to make concerning their fate... but it doesn't change the fact that you are a product of what you eat, think, and do.
> because after you die your opinions won't matter much anyways.
That's partially true! You'll realize the fact that you're a Spiritual Body living in a Physical Body having a Human Experience and wasted most of your life on useless rhetoric everyone else told instead you of instead of finding your own truth. The NDE/OBE is one way to verify this -- and then you _know_.
The only way to truly understand Life is to understand Death. Death is not the end, just another beginning.
Why does it matter to you what I do or don't eat?
There is a difference between believing and knowing....
I know you're being funny, but you first have to learn to crawl before running. Similarly, you don't advance from Kindergarten to post PhD knowledge in one day.
Anyways, the steps for advancing your spirituality is:
1) carnivorism
a) cutting out fat / fatty foods
b) cutting out sugar and other refined foods
2) vegetarian
3) vegan
4) fruitarian / nutarian
5) waterian
6) lightarian
There have been a few people throughout history who didn't eat anything, but you'll have to do your own research since you have to find your own truth.
One step at a time. You have as many lifetimes as you need.
Cheers
Any audiophile knows Bose are complete crap. "All the highs, none of the lows, must be Bose." is the old saying. The only reason they are popular is because Bose spends more on marketing then what other companies make as profit and they are "optizimized" for pop music; anything else sounds like shit through them.
Audiophiles will start taking Bose seriously when they start providing some basic info!:
1. What is their frequency _range_? (# Hz - # Hz)
2. What is the efficieny and setup of their drivers and tweeters? #dB (@ 1 watt / 1 meter)
3. How flat is their frequency _response? (# Hz - # Hz +/- # db)
4. What is their impedence graph?
Bose are the DeBeers of Diamonds in the audio world. Overpriced, and crap ROI.
If you want to see & hear a sample of what REAL speakers are supposed to be like, these 2 internet only companies have some great products, and get rave reviews, with prices to match your budget.
* Rockets 760 -- Upgraded Onyx Rockets 750 that blew people away a few years ago.
* For subs, the best bang for the buck are the classic SVS Subs for _CLEAN_ and LOUD BASS for all your audio and home theatre needs.
The place to learn about audio, is the AVS Forum. I've posted tips on Plasma tweaking their, and my experiences with my own Rockets.
Enjoy
> OK, most of your post is simply opinion, so I won't spend too much time telling you I disagree.
That's perfectly understandable! You haven't had my _experiences_, so you haven't had a frame of reference to understand extra dimensions or non-human consciousness. BUT, there is a way to find these answers, once you accept the fact that you are Spiritual Being in a Physical Body having a Human Experience. Science is in for a whole lot of fun in the near future (specifically the 25th century), once it acknowledges we currently only measure and interact with less then 12% of the actual universe.
>> "The question we should be asking is 'Why isn't it [objective]!'"
> Let me be a smart-ass for a moment. Did you fall asleep in your Science and Math classes?
This answer _isn't_ found or taught in class. It is _only_ found via experience. Some truth can _only_ be experienced. Much like seeing, or hearing.
> Say for a moment that this question has an agreeable answer. What will we do with it?
Like we do with all knowledge -- we use it as a base to help us to understand ourselves, the universe, and the purpose for why things happen; it greatly expands our knowledge base. You will dramatically live your life differently once you know how you treat people will effect your future lives, that death is just a changing of the shell, hell is just a state of mind, that there are countless conscious life forms (on this planet and others), etc.
It's just the first step towards realizing our incredible human potential.
--
The Universe is nothing but Mind.
> Science man measures every level of EM radiation in area and finds no proof of the existence of any such beings and decides that, until such proof can be provided, the angels aren't there.
Of course Science isn't going to find them -- it is looking in the _wrong_ place. Same for Life and Consciousness. FYI, there are more then just 4 (physical/space-time) dimensions. Plants, Rocks, and even the Dead all have consciousness, but they don't exist in this realm. It is only recently we've had the tech (again) to detect them. Thankfully people don't need the crutch of technology to access other dimensions.
> Blind faith begets that which faith is placed upon
Science too has faith, and at times, it is just as blind. (See previous post for essays.)
* It was by faith that man believed he could see something smaller then light would allow him.
* It was by faith man believed he could overcome the law of gravity and fly.
* It was by faith that man believed he could walk on the moon.
Until he _had_ done it, he didn't _know_ he could do it. By putting his beliefs into practice, he demonstrated his faith.
> The objective does not build upon the subjective.
Did you fall asleep in your Science, Math, and Philosophy classes?
Theory comes AFTER Observation.
If you were born blind you're going to tell me you know what what red, green, or blue is!? IF you can not experience reality, you can not make any objective claims about it, because how did you verify them?!
e.g.
I believe gravity exists because "something" keeps pulling me down. I compare "notes" with you, and we notice we have a common experience. It is _by_ our subjective experiences, that we can formulate the objective. I can verify the experience myself.
Science's fallacy is that it thinks everyone's reality is objective -- it is not. The question we should be asking is "Why isn't it!"
--
"It is only together with the Masculine Science and the Feminine Religion will the other be able to transcend its own limitations."
I think you are confused about Truth, Religion, or Science, which are different sides of the same coin.
Science IS a Religion, because Religion is putting your beliefs into practice. Science has just as much dogma as any religion. Others have written about The Farce of Physics and The Inconsistency of the Electron as well.
What would motivate Albert Einstein to write:
The Objective builds upon the Subjective. Just because Religion worships the Subjective, and Science worships the Objective, doesn't mean one truth negates another. Science is like the blind man laughing at the man who can see color, in denial of their own lack of perception.
Religion answers Why you were born.
Science answers How you were born.
Both are important to achieving a _complete_ picture.
--
Unless you've been dead or out of the body, you don't have a reference framework to understand Life, Consciousness, and Time. Science's knowledge (or total lack of it) is a complete and total joke.
Having implemented OpenGL on the Wii, I think the truth lies someplace in the middle -- it should be doable. While most open source code is crap, *cough* Mesa *cough* the proof is in the pudding -- it works. The biggest challenge is writing clean and abstract code without sacrificing performance.
... because the standard is too lazy to do things right and remove the "long long" garbage, and I've been using it since the early 90's!
--
Why C++ still sucks
No, they weren't. They were built 12,000 years ago.
No kidding! Fricken insightful / hilarious.
MOD up!
> We've gone from stone tablets to space travel in five thousand years.
You mean, we've gone back to space travel. You're forgetting the previous 25,000 and 12,000 years ago when the pyramids were built, and about the cycle of civilizations - they build up, peak and bottom out, roughly half of the Earth's precission wobble, ~ 13k years.
--
Mind NOT Space, is the final frontier. Time is just a dimension of the mind.