2) Says who? It is a virtual machine afterall, and if you run more Java apps all of them won't use as much memory as the first one did. Also memory are cheap and who cares. It's a good and safe language and you probably ends up with less bugs.
It is very reasonable to run Java in Linux. It's harder/more painful/whatever in the BSDs but it works.
"Will Sun Open Source Java?" No, haven't they already said that? Like hundreds of times? And does it really matter?
"Sun should endorse PHP and go one step forward and make sure the 'P' languages run great on the JVM [Java virtual machine] by open-sourcing Java." "No", who would run PHP on Java anyway? Why? Why would open-sourcing it help?
"Would this move Java up the desirability scale in your eyes?" No, Java is already desirable in my eyes.
"Could this be a way to help improve what's lacking in Java?" No, what is lacking?
People who complain that Java is slow, should be open-sourced, and so on have never seemed to had a clue.
And don't forget that as long as IE is dominant and webpages are designed for IE but doesn't work good in other browsers people will HAVE to get Windows and IE to view them.
If they gave that up there would be one less reason to use Windows.
So what are their alternatives? I hate "us" complaining against poor people who's trying to make a living of their own. Have we cared? Do you? How much electricity do you waste compared to them? Oil? In this case Nuclear waste? All kinds of garbage? Who are the bad guy?
If you want to do something about it give them an alternative. Like money without having to consume the rain forests. But does any rich country want to do that? No, of course not. But in that case don't judge them for trying to grab their piece of the cake.
Earlier all you had to do was to drag the copy over to the new location. I guess they uses keys for software which occurs both the Windows and Mac platforms today (Photoshop, WC3, WOW,..) but maybe it's still a matter of simple drag'n'drop on the other software today. (Not that Macs do have much third party software anyway, it seems Apple are more or less the only company which delivers software for Macs, but atleast it's good software. They are probably killing their own market thought since third parties are probably scared away when they know apple have their own word processor, video editing utilities, and so on)
I do, or well, they are just lying around here until i figure out where to leave them since we haven't got a box for things like that right here. But I live in Sweden and I guess we are quite good at turning things in, even thought I suppose quite a few people just ignores it and throw everything away as "rest garbage".
The current iMac and the current Macbook won't cost as much used as the old machines have done.
If you want to compare the price of the new generation of apple hardware you have to skip the whole argument of whatever they will cost used anyway since you have no idea how much they will cost then. (weird sentence)
The old hardware which held their prices good cost way to much compared to what you got. EOD.
And how many haven't commented on the "moped" sound of the iMac G5s? Of the slow firewire performance of many macs? ("Unbalanced" performance overall.)
But sure, a mac with a price 3 times higher than a comparable home built system might have a better finish when what you put together yourself. But it came at a price.
"I know of many people switching from Windows to MAC for video editing and graphics simply because the software on the windows side is utter garbage compared to the apple offering, and the regular consumer is starting to see that."
Aren't most of the apps for those purposes the same? But Windows probably got more of them, and the hardware is cheaper and perform better.
"When you get high end hardware with high end software and couple it with a system that you do not haveto hire a company every 2 months to clean it out you get the general public looking at it very closely. The mac-Mini entices them further as it's cheap and will use their monitor. (Actually a Dual G5 tower will use their PC monitors, just the FUD surrounding the apple products leads them to think otherwise.)"
Two letters: BS
"Also faced with dropping $300.00 for Vista and the requirement to double ram, speed,etc... people will really look at apple closer as their current system ages."
Yeah, because it's much better to pay $120 or whatever for each "upgrade" of MacOS X? All the time?
Also MacOS X uses a lot of resources, and you pay a premium for the hardware. So this doesn't make sense either.
"Other than games or wierd business apps from the vertical market, there is no real reason to not switch to a more stable, secure and user friendly platform like OSX."
Except that I do belive I would like MacOS X more than Windows there are no reason to switch either. Windows is stable, and what says MacOS X would be much more secure? User friendly depends on what you like I guess, the GUI are probably less retarded on MacOS, but the lack of some apps and the fact that it's "different" will make many people think it's harder to use.
"Dell, HP, Panasonic, and Sony all make crappy PC's compared to an Apple product. Apple is super stable and hold their resale value in ways that even a gold plated Alineware laptop can only dream of.
Tell me where you can sell your 2 year old PC for nearly 60% of it's value and easily get it sold. Apple's usually get that premium."
Correction: They _did_ sold to that value earlier. But those days are probably gone now. Macs sold so expensive because they where expensive to buy and users where used to pay a premium for a mac. But now when they are using regular x86 hardware there are no reason to do that and people know the value of old x86 hardware.
What about current energy saving light bulbs then? Doesn't they use like 1/5 of the electricity and last 8 times longer than regular light bulbs? And they are quite cheap nowadays to. The do contain mercury thought, but does that really matter if you leave them for recycling?
Domain names are important because search engines seems to value the occurency of the searched word inside the domain quite high.
Other off topic things I don't like about googles search result are that a search for "product-name review" often results in lots of pages which has the word "consumer review" or similair inside them, even thought there are no review and never a large and good one. When I search for something like that I want to have more on my bones then "I've bought it for $30 and I like it".
Considering how few of all the synthethic shit we are putting into our self (to cure stuff and so on) and their bi-effects, what would you rather use? The natural real thing or the synthetic version?
Atleast our bodies know how to deal with alcohol and get it out of the system. What biological "units" have understood how to handle "synthehol"?
"Their only alternative will be to not buy the films, shows, and music they want, and I don't see DRM becoming so restrictive that people will go to that extreme."
I saw your post on Ekiga 2.0 when I googled for other stuff, but it was to late to replay and I can't find a function for sending private messages so I'll answer here instead. Sorry for beeing off topic.
Regarding SIP and Ekiga I'm not sure if there are any chances to use SIP behind a NAT without any forwarded ports (in that case using STUN but I doubt it.)
What ports are used are application dependant, but this is what I use and I have no troubles with any application or provider so far:
5060 TCP/UDP (SIP UAS, I think this should be enough.)
5000-5100 UDP (But with only the ports above I could only use my other account, not the Ekiga.net one, with these both works.)
3478-3479 UDP (STUN service)
49152-65535 UDP (RTP, RTCP multimedia streaming)
I _think_ that port 5060 (or 5000-5100) is used to say "hi, you got a phone call", but the actual voice data are sent over port 49152-65535 (valid for SJPhone, might be application dependant). I think you only need the STUN ports open if you use STUN, STUN seems to be a service which helps the application to figure out what kind of firewall it is behind.
I've covered this with screenshots in my blog but it's written in swedish so I don't know how much help that gives. Atleast you can look at the images?
I know for my "real provider" I had to tell them if I where behind NAT or not, doesn't seem like anything like that is needed for the ekiga.net account for whatever reason. Maybe with STUN + NAT enabled user you don't have to forward any ports at all?
Another alternative is to use Asterisk or Asterisk@home somewhere outside the firewall and have that handle the SIP account and use IAX for your clients instead. There is a nice (atleast screenshots says so) client available for UNIX called KIAX.
Ekiga is a nice client, for whatever reason it crashes all the time now when I upgraded to Ubuntu Dapper, but I've got noone else to blame than myself for that one. SJPhone isn't open-source but it doesn't cost anything and is very competent aswell. For Linux linphone is less good and kphone is even less good;), I would rate X-ten X-lite(is that the name?) as just beneath SJPhone.
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1) Yeah, it's really so hard to download Java, I mean, where do I start? http://www.microsoft.com/java maybe? oh fuck, it worked. http://www.java.com/ maybe? Oh shit, it did. Hey, even http://java.sun.com/ worked, what is this?
2) Says who? It is a virtual machine afterall, and if you run more Java apps all of them won't use as much memory as the first one did. Also memory are cheap and who cares. It's a good and safe language and you probably ends up with less bugs.
It is very reasonable to run Java in Linux. It's harder/more painful/whatever in the BSDs but it works.
"Will Sun Open Source Java?"
No, haven't they already said that? Like hundreds of times? And does it really matter?
"Sun should endorse PHP and go one step forward and make sure the 'P' languages run great on the JVM [Java virtual machine] by open-sourcing Java."
"No", who would run PHP on Java anyway? Why? Why would open-sourcing it help?
"Would this move Java up the desirability scale in your eyes?"
No, Java is already desirable in my eyes.
"Could this be a way to help improve what's lacking in Java?"
No, what is lacking?
People who complain that Java is slow, should be open-sourced, and so on have never seemed to had a clue.
Yeah, who the fsck want to have ads in their console. Retards.
And don't forget that as long as IE is dominant and webpages are designed for IE but doesn't work good in other browsers people will HAVE to get Windows and IE to view them.
If they gave that up there would be one less reason to use Windows.
Also who wants to scale up the webpage? Make the content detailed and scale down for people with low resolution instead.
But webpages should be about content, not design, so screw it all!
http://www.kiddofspeed.com/. Beautiful and scary at the same time.
So what are their alternatives? I hate "us" complaining against poor people who's trying to make a living of their own. Have we cared? Do you? How much electricity do you waste compared to them? Oil? In this case Nuclear waste? All kinds of garbage? Who are the bad guy?
If you want to do something about it give them an alternative. Like money without having to consume the rain forests. But does any rich country want to do that? No, of course not. But in that case don't judge them for trying to grab their piece of the cake.
Aren't there some free space at ground zero in NY which you could use?
See, I don't like these type of jokes.
When they have got large enough doses of radiactivity who knows, maybe they will be able to answer you?
Earlier all you had to do was to drag the copy over to the new location. I guess they uses keys for software which occurs both the Windows and Mac platforms today (Photoshop, WC3, WOW, ..) but maybe it's still a matter of simple drag'n'drop on the other software today. (Not that Macs do have much third party software anyway, it seems Apple are more or less the only company which delivers software for Macs, but atleast it's good software. They are probably killing their own market thought since third parties are probably scared away when they know apple have their own word processor, video editing utilities, and so on)
I do, or well, they are just lying around here until i figure out where to leave them since we haven't got a box for things like that right here. But I live in Sweden and I guess we are quite good at turning things in, even thought I suppose quite a few people just ignores it and throw everything away as "rest garbage".
The current iMac and the current Macbook won't cost as much used as the old machines have done.
If you want to compare the price of the new generation of apple hardware you have to skip the whole argument of whatever they will cost used anyway since you have no idea how much they will cost then. (weird sentence)
The old hardware which held their prices good cost way to much compared to what you got. EOD.
And how many haven't commented on the "moped" sound of the iMac G5s? Of the slow firewire performance of many macs? ("Unbalanced" performance overall.)
But sure, a mac with a price 3 times higher than a comparable home built system might have a better finish when what you put together yourself. But it came at a price.
"I know of many people switching from Windows to MAC for video editing and graphics simply because the software on the windows side is utter garbage compared to the apple offering, and the regular consumer is starting to see that."
Aren't most of the apps for those purposes the same? But Windows probably got more of them, and the hardware is cheaper and perform better.
"When you get high end hardware with high end software and couple it with a system that you do not haveto hire a company every 2 months to clean it out you get the general public looking at it very closely. The mac-Mini entices them further as it's cheap and will use their monitor. (Actually a Dual G5 tower will use their PC monitors, just the FUD surrounding the apple products leads them to think otherwise.)"
Two letters: BS
"Also faced with dropping $300.00 for Vista and the requirement to double ram, speed,etc... people will really look at apple closer as their current system ages."
Yeah, because it's much better to pay $120 or whatever for each "upgrade" of MacOS X? All the time?
Also MacOS X uses a lot of resources, and you pay a premium for the hardware. So this doesn't make sense either.
"Other than games or wierd business apps from the vertical market, there is no real reason to not switch to a more stable, secure and user friendly platform like OSX."
Except that I do belive I would like MacOS X more than Windows there are no reason to switch either. Windows is stable, and what says MacOS X would be much more secure? User friendly depends on what you like I guess, the GUI are probably less retarded on MacOS, but the lack of some apps and the fact that it's "different" will make many people think it's harder to use.
"Dell, HP, Panasonic, and Sony all make crappy PC's compared to an Apple product. Apple is super stable and hold their resale value in ways that even a gold plated Alineware laptop can only dream of.
Tell me where you can sell your 2 year old PC for nearly 60% of it's value and easily get it sold. Apple's usually get that premium."
Correction: They _did_ sold to that value earlier. But those days are probably gone now. Macs sold so expensive because they where expensive to buy and users where used to pay a premium for a mac. But now when they are using regular x86 hardware there are no reason to do that and people know the value of old x86 hardware.
What about current energy saving light bulbs then? Doesn't they use like 1/5 of the electricity and last 8 times longer than regular light bulbs? And they are quite cheap nowadays to. The do contain mercury thought, but does that really matter if you leave them for recycling?
Domain names are important because search engines seems to value the occurency of the searched word inside the domain quite high.
Other off topic things I don't like about googles search result are that a search for "product-name review" often results in lots of pages which has the word "consumer review" or similair inside them, even thought there are no review and never a large and good one. When I search for something like that I want to have more on my bones then "I've bought it for $30 and I like it".
The name does have something to do with the content.
/. = inverted ./ = path to the current directory in unix.
Slashdot =
I think that matches "News for nerds" quite well.
Well, all I can say is: I hope you lost on it in total.
;)
I hate the regular commercial part of the Internet, and I hate this kind of stuff even more
Considering how few of all the synthethic shit we are putting into our self (to cure stuff and so on) and their bi-effects, what would you rather use? The natural real thing or the synthetic version?
Atleast our bodies know how to deal with alcohol and get it out of the system. What biological "units" have understood how to handle "synthehol"?
What do you mean? SUN are both right with OpenSparc and Solaris/PPC-port?
Does normal people actually understands that "Plays for sure" is? It sounds like it makes it EASIER to play the songs, not harder ;)
"Their only alternative will be to not buy the films, shows, and music they want, and I don't see DRM becoming so restrictive that people will go to that extreme."
;)
Or copy it
The stuff you quote are weird, none of all the media I play have any DRM, it has already been cracked for me.
I saw your post on Ekiga 2.0 when I googled for other stuff, but it was to late to replay and I can't find a function for sending private messages so I'll answer here instead. Sorry for beeing off topic.
;), I would rate X-ten X-lite(is that the name?) as just beneath SJPhone.
Regarding SIP and Ekiga I'm not sure if there are any chances to use SIP behind a NAT without any forwarded ports (in that case using STUN but I doubt it.)
What ports are used are application dependant, but this is what I use and I have no troubles with any application or provider so far:
5060 TCP/UDP (SIP UAS, I think this should be enough.)
5000-5100 UDP (But with only the ports above I could only use my other account, not the Ekiga.net one, with these both works.)
3478-3479 UDP (STUN service)
49152-65535 UDP (RTP, RTCP multimedia streaming)
I _think_ that port 5060 (or 5000-5100) is used to say "hi, you got a phone call", but the actual voice data are sent over port 49152-65535 (valid for SJPhone, might be application dependant). I think you only need the STUN ports open if you use STUN, STUN seems to be a service which helps the application to figure out what kind of firewall it is behind.
I've covered this with screenshots in my blog but it's written in swedish so I don't know how much help that gives. Atleast you can look at the images?
I know for my "real provider" I had to tell them if I where behind NAT or not, doesn't seem like anything like that is needed for the ekiga.net account for whatever reason. Maybe with STUN + NAT enabled user you don't have to forward any ports at all?
Another alternative is to use Asterisk or Asterisk@home somewhere outside the firewall and have that handle the SIP account and use IAX for your clients instead. There is a nice (atleast screenshots says so) client available for UNIX called KIAX.
Ekiga is a nice client, for whatever reason it crashes all the time now when I upgraded to Ubuntu Dapper, but I've got noone else to blame than myself for that one. SJPhone isn't open-source but it doesn't cost anything and is very competent aswell. For Linux linphone is less good and kphone is even less good