That makes a lot more sense than the usual assumption that it's just some failure of will on a large scale. The question is what do you do about it? Unless the economy gets so good that one parent can stay home it's not going to get better. And I think the chances of that are very, very slim.
The solution? It is not the economy, it is the choices that the parents make. When parents realize that they are sacrificing thier kids well being to the alter of "I must have a bigger house, and SUV", they might relize they do not need two parents working full time. Why have kids if you cannot spend the time with them to raise them? Kids today are just another check box to many people. Spouce? Check. SUV? Check. Bigger house? Check. Children? Check. Happiness? ummm?...
It might be partly ego, but that ego is derived from good software craftsmanship. Praise and recognition from thier programming peers is what keeps many of the Open Source projects going. Doing something worth while with thier skill is another. If they write good code it is recognized and admired by the community of thier peers. Not to mention the warm fuzzy you get from contributing back to the community.
Not everyone is in it for the EGO rush, they like doing good things, and some like the recognition.
There can be a standard contract for the company. The hiring person's boss might say.....you cannot offer more than X amount, no negotiating. In fact, that is a fairly common practice.
And because of thier inflexability with negotiations they probably hire average or less then average people to work there. I would try to avoid a place like that if possible, that policy is a red flag to me....
so If I am the CEO of a prison company (similar to the ones in california) and its 1939 I am based in germany.
and I win a bid on a new type of contract a prison for just jews.
am I or my company imoral? or am I just reflecting the values of society?
Apples and oranges buddy, we live in a democracy, not a dictatorship, and our economy is based on capitalism, not socialism. Pick a example that applies to capitalism and a democratic nation.
In 1939 Hitler was a dictator, the economy was based on socialism (I think) not capitalism, and lastly society was unable to express its morality due to the nature of the govenment.
If you do no like the prisons in the golden state, you should contact you representative, or better yet, your state has the option of a ballot initiative. Get one going to improve your prisons. When you have a million signatures you can have the general public vote on it. Try that in 1939 Germany!
Yes, it is a moral issue. If some company is willing to lay off loyal workers who've been there for a decade or more just so that they can increase bottom line a little more, that's scummy and unethical in my book.
So if it is a moral issue, would it be morally justifiable to layoff a non-loyal worker and ship that job over seas?
How do you define loyalty?
If I take my money and buy some stock in a company, I expect that company to MAKE ME MONEY, as long as it is with in the law. I am not interested in the loyalty of the workers, I'm interested in thier productivity (as measured by the bottom line) and thus I'm interested in getting the most return on my investment. Period!
It is against the law for the managers of the company that I have invested my money in not to get me the best return on my investment. They are bound by their fiduciary responsibility to me. If they can get a better deal on product or service overseas, boy howdy, they had better do it or they are going to get thier pants sued off by the shareholders.
I want to send _my_ kids to college from my investments, not someone else's kids because they are "loyal" to the company.
I think you mean amoral, not immoral. There is no good and evil in capitalism itself. Individual companies may act in an immoral fashion (explotation, and destruction of the environment), but if the market does not like it, people will stop buying that companies products.
So in many respects capitalism is a reflection of the values of the society. Everyone wants thier cheap wal-mart products, even though they come from chinees workers getting slave wages. Is Wal-mart evil, or just serving the needs/demands of the market? Society decides this, and they keep shopping at wal-mart don't they?
What you're basically saying is that in order to get jobs back in the US, computer-related jobs have to drop to a level equal to flipping burgers at mcdonald's.
Eh, no. What the parent post is saying is that we (US buisnesses) have to provide a product or service that is competative with what you can get overseas. There is an inherant cost of doing buisness over seas, it is just that the over all cost is currently lower then what you can get here in the US.
It will mean that some US workers have to accept "less". The the people that can adapt thier skills to the changing economy will be fine, those that want to whine instead will be stuck in a dwindling job market. Buisness do now OWE these workers anything, buisness owe thier sharholders the best return on the shareholders money. Period. Workers need to take care of thier skills to properly avail themselves to the employment market.
One thing you do not hear reported is the amount of technology that is being purchased by India and other countries from US companies to power thier growing economies. Cry me a river about the manufactuing jobs that are going away, but yet you do not hear a peep about Cisco, Intel, and Dell, who are making a killing on shipping products overseas.
And radio is worth it for NPR, but that's pretty much all. I gladly pay my membership [...] to avoid all the commercials.
Avoid the commercials? Huh? They are just as heavly "advertuised" as a regular radio station. The commercials are just not shrill screams for your money, they are "supporters of public radio" with nice spots at the beginning and end of the program. Not to mention the quartly begathon for your direct support (send us money now, then we will stop asking and get back to regular programing...)
You're right. It should do periodic test of your ability to focus by playing the sound of a baby crying in the back seat and checking that your steering doesn't become erratic.
Don't forget the random sounds of:
a ringing cell phone
bickering children
spilled drink in the back seat by bickering children
Nagging spouce, "Stop and get directions"
random car horns
siren approaching from the rear
If you can manage to listen to all that and still maintaing a steady hand on the wheel can you give me some hints as to how you do it?
You Americans are so lucky. The Universal Service Obligation in force in Australia mandates 2400baud (2.4kbits/sec) as the min data rate.
I feel pretty lucky most of the time.:-)
Verizon (my local telco) guarantees 9600 bits/sec. If you get something better you are graced by god, and have a decent modem. Most people in my neighborhood get 24k or 26k/sec on dialup. There is nothing else avaiable except ISDN. You can pay 2cents/min per channel, or you can buy an unlimited usage, but you still have to pay an ISP too.
I deployed wireless for my neighbors. Next to the T1 thats all we can get out here. The couple of neighbors that work at home were practicaly knocking me over to help install the
antenna next to my garage.
Glad to hear that there is some competition going on up there. The same competition is happening around here too. However the biggest problem to wider deploment is overall cost. The copper is the most expensive part of getting stable internet service. Unless there is movement to reduce the cost to deliver service, and willingness to deploy the serivce on the part of the telcos getting service will remain expensive.
DSL is great but has many limitations. It would be nice to see other services similar to DSL being developed and deployed by the telcos. Until there is some competition cattle prodding the telcos into doing it though, don't hold your breath.
If they provide a service, voice or data, they have to provide it to all. Universal service is what it falls under, I believe.
If you do not beleive me contact the fine folks at Bandwidth.com, and they will look at all the Internet carriers and quote you a price to get a T1 or fractional T1 to you house.
I guess this is one of the drawbacks for being a controled monopoly. The telcos have to live under certain restrictions that require them to provide service to everyone. They may not like it, and they may drag thier feet providing it, but they will provide it. If you are getting service it helps having a national carrier lighting a fire under them to get the installs done in a timely manner. The national carrier know all the rules and regs, and can occationaly remind the local carriers of this
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The solution? It is not the economy, it is the choices that the parents make. When parents realize that they are sacrificing thier kids well being to the alter of "I must have a bigger house, and SUV", they might relize they do not need two parents working full time. Why have kids if you cannot spend the time with them to raise them? Kids today are just another check box to many people. Spouce? Check. SUV? Check. Bigger house? Check. Children? Check. Happiness? ummm?...
Not everyone is in it for the EGO rush, they like doing good things, and some like the recognition.
And because of thier inflexability with negotiations they probably hire average or less then average people to work there. I would try to avoid a place like that if possible, that policy is a red flag to me....
and I win a bid on a new type of contract a prison for just jews.
am I or my company imoral? or am I just reflecting the values of society?
Apples and oranges buddy, we live in a democracy, not a dictatorship, and our economy is based on capitalism, not socialism. Pick a example that applies to capitalism and a democratic nation.
In 1939 Hitler was a dictator, the economy was based on socialism (I think) not capitalism, and lastly society was unable to express its morality due to the nature of the govenment.
If you do no like the prisons in the golden state, you should contact you representative, or better yet, your state has the option of a ballot initiative. Get one going to improve your prisons. When you have a million signatures you can have the general public vote on it. Try that in 1939 Germany!
So if it is a moral issue, would it be morally justifiable to layoff a non-loyal worker and ship that job over seas?
How do you define loyalty?
If I take my money and buy some stock in a company, I expect that company to MAKE ME MONEY, as long as it is with in the law. I am not interested in the loyalty of the workers, I'm interested in thier productivity (as measured by the bottom line) and thus I'm interested in getting the most return on my investment. Period!
It is against the law for the managers of the company that I have invested my money in not to get me the best return on my investment. They are bound by their fiduciary responsibility to me. If they can get a better deal on product or service overseas, boy howdy, they had better do it or they are going to get thier pants sued off by the shareholders.
I want to send _my_ kids to college from my investments, not someone else's kids because they are "loyal" to the company.
I think you mean amoral, not immoral. There is no good and evil in capitalism itself. Individual companies may act in an immoral fashion (explotation, and destruction of the environment), but if the market does not like it, people will stop buying that companies products.
So in many respects capitalism is a reflection of the values of the society. Everyone wants thier cheap wal-mart products, even though they come from chinees workers getting slave wages. Is Wal-mart evil, or just serving the needs/demands of the market? Society decides this, and they keep shopping at wal-mart don't they?
Eh, no. What the parent post is saying is that we (US buisnesses) have to provide a product or service that is competative with what you can get overseas. There is an inherant cost of doing buisness over seas, it is just that the over all cost is currently lower then what you can get here in the US.
It will mean that some US workers have to accept "less". The the people that can adapt thier skills to the changing economy will be fine, those that want to whine instead will be stuck in a dwindling job market. Buisness do now OWE these workers anything, buisness owe thier sharholders the best return on the shareholders money. Period. Workers need to take care of thier skills to properly avail themselves to the employment market.
One thing you do not hear reported is the amount of technology that is being purchased by India and other countries from US companies to power thier growing economies. Cry me a river about the manufactuing jobs that are going away, but yet you do not hear a peep about Cisco, Intel, and Dell, who are making a killing on shipping products overseas.
Avoid the commercials? Huh? They are just as heavly "advertuised" as a regular radio station. The commercials are just not shrill screams for your money, they are "supporters of public radio" with nice spots at the beginning and end of the program. Not to mention the quartly begathon for your direct support (send us money now, then we will stop asking and get back to regular programing...)
dammit
tcsh
I think the sequence is:
^?^?^?
"dammit"
stty erase ^H
bash
and for good measure:
vi
The lights tend to dim in the building I'm working in from the increased power draw to the server when I accidently fire up emacs... "dammit!" ^x^c
Like James T. Kirk?
BlueTooth neural implants
3 am Tech support calls take on a whole new dimention. "Man, I was dreaming that the server kept going down last night."
Please whine over there about ecological disasters, and how bad we are as a species, etc...
well, you will have to wait 45 days...
It is not a perfect solution, but is sure cuts out a ton of crap from making it into my server.
Don't forget the random sounds of:
a ringing cell phone
bickering children
spilled drink in the back seat by bickering children
Nagging spouce, "Stop and get directions"
random car horns
siren approaching from the rear
If you can manage to listen to all that and still maintaing a steady hand on the wheel can you give me some hints as to how you do it?
What do you need a watch for on vacation? :-)
do
lynx --dump http://www.sco.com/ 2>&1 >
done &
I feel pretty lucky most of the time. :-)
Verizon (my local telco) guarantees 9600 bits/sec. If you get something better you are graced by god, and have a decent modem. Most people in my neighborhood get 24k or 26k/sec on dialup. There is nothing else avaiable except ISDN. You can pay 2cents/min per channel, or you can buy an unlimited usage, but you still have to pay an ISP too.
I deployed wireless for my neighbors. Next to the T1 thats all we can get out here. The couple of neighbors that work at home were practicaly knocking me over to help install the antenna next to my garage.
Nice chatting with you "mate" :-)
DSL is great but has many limitations. It would be nice to see other services similar to DSL being developed and deployed by the telcos. Until there is some competition cattle prodding the telcos into doing it though, don't hold your breath.
If you do not beleive me contact the fine folks at Bandwidth.com, and they will look at all the Internet carriers and quote you a price to get a T1 or fractional T1 to you house.
I guess this is one of the drawbacks for being a controled monopoly. The telcos have to live under certain restrictions that require them to provide service to everyone. They may not like it, and they may drag thier feet providing it, but they will provide it. If you are getting service it helps having a national carrier lighting a fire under them to get the installs done in a timely manner. The national carrier know all the rules and regs, and can occationaly remind the local carriers of this