That emulation of old consoles' games isnt as "harmless" as we all would like.
And yes, I emulate too, and know personally somebody who built a "Donkey Kong mame box of 5000 roms, and wiring in F5 to the change slot (MAME's enter change key).
And a beef with the devices: They look like that wont be able to stand a lick of abuse. The old atari stuff would take a world of pain before giving out. Now you must buy the whole thing again for a new stick.
>>>>You seem to be confusing 'expensive computer' with 'beowulf cluster'.
Nope, I dont. If you can compute without continual deadlocks of data, then it's usually clusterable. Databases use a heavy amount of locks to prevent data corruption, and therfore not allow clusters.
>>>Clusters have a great price/performance ratio for a small class of problems. Climate modeling, fluid dynamics, some life sciences, etc.
>>>The machines from IBM are designed to do , in enterprise speak, 'transactions'. SQL querys, web services, distibuted software, etc.
Read my other coments on this thread. I already mention it.
>>>A cluster makes a very shitty web server.
I disagree. If you use 1 DNS name bound to 6 servers (function of BIND poor man load balancing), you get round robin rotation between 6 servers. Now you can build a cluster of web servers that pull from one backend (DB server running heavy iron). Each Server can do it's own web page data processing, while distributing the load.
And in that last situation, all you'd need is redirects if the user does another DNS lookup to redirect him to thr proper server that originally gave ihis DB user request. Or you could just send a unlock to the DB server after marking some table like Last_Server_IP to null and then re-running the data to verify goodness.
True, it does explain some things. Mainly I se this as a push into the "We want low end, but server prices" pricing cap. I'm thinking of the Low End Sun's, Itaniums, SGI's non-X86,HP and other low end server stations. In that category, PPC running AIX or Linux sounds nice.
It's just crossing that low'end barrier is the killer. If you can make your app into a threaded app, you can send each thread to a processor and run them all at once. Beowulf. And you can use the really cheap stuff to do it it too. Google's already proved that X86 stuf is reliable for that kind of operation too.
It's when you need heavy transaction power is when you really go with AIX. Banks, Airports, and other time critical lookup and registration is when you need low-latency, high cpu and ram that super's have.
I still fail to understand why you'd want PPC linux rather than X86 Linux. You've just got more choices with X86.
Point being? Doesnt give my programs "Super-root" abilities.
>>How can you compair a Athlon to a G5?
Simple. How useful is it in general use (or per category)?
Server? Probably. Still, you have problems if _that_ box goes down, you're down. With a cluster, all of them have to go down before "IT" is down.
Graphics workstation? Get me a SGI.
Workstation (non-graphics intensive)? Offload my data processing to a SUN server and get me X86 dual.
>>Yes If you want a cheap dual smp rig then Athlons are fine. But if you want a powerfull workstation, backed by a huge company, THis is a pretty cool idea.
I take it you dont know what other products AMD does. Go look at those nice "IBM motherboards". Half of those components will have that nice AMD insignia that's been on their products since the 70's. And after INTEL was created by developers who broke off of them. AMD just doesnt make clone chips...
>>im sure since IBM is the creator of a G5 they are going to be able to support them better than anything else they sell. Companies are going to see this and they will realize that these machines will be quick and easy for IBM to repair.
I know how that goes. Just like all those damned Compaq Servers that even the drive bays are non-standard. I cant wait.
>>Oh Sure these companies can call Bob's computer warehouse, but we all know how much better IBMs support will be....
The last thing I want to do is call tech support that might have the product out by next-day. Some parts, I need now.
>>If I worked for a Multimillion dollar company I wouldnt want the computer repair guy going to walmart to pick up spare parts for their new server/workstation.....
Oh yes. I'm sure that a IBM nic is soo much more different than the 30$ nic shrinkwrapped in walmart. Just IBM had their name on it, so it's suddenly 50$ more.
>>>try to run that on a ppc and tell me how it worked?
Too true. Still you proved my point more. Yes, Linux on PPC backed by IBM is "Cool", but right now, EVERYTHING is based on the standard of X86 compatibility.
I have a choice if I go with X86. I like Linux, and if my clients like linux, all the better. I can offer it. HOWEVER, if they, for some reason, go with MSWindows, I can fdisk linux, and install Windows.
And remember, MS axed all but their X86 line back in going from NT4=>NT5. I know, on Apple PPC, there's Linux or MacOS. Guess what though? The way Apple's going through 3'rd party developers, I dont trust them. And I certainly wouldnt invest in their computers until I know they'll survive getting rid of MS, Adobe and others.
Point recap: PPC Linux. Little hardware accessable. Nice server. Expensive. X86 Linux. Mucho hardware usable. Very configurable. Cheap Cheap Cheap. Well supported by MANY vendors.
Come on moderator. Explain why I'm wrong instead of slapping me with a mod point.
1: In order for PCI stuff to work with this platform, you need firmware for PPC. Guess what? The multitude of X86 cheap stuff doesnt work on these platforms. You probably pay 3-6 times what you'd normally pay for NICS and GFX cards. Apple does this all the time.
2: SMP's nice. So is PPC. But how much will you actually save if you went to this versus a new 1 or 2 Athlon setup?
3: Yes, firmware inconsistancy (86 or PPC) is a problem, but WHERE do you go for parts you need NOW? I can go to WalMart, or ripoff computer store and buy parts I need now. With this, it's atleast 1-5 days for parts. Not a good idea.
4: In my statement about Beowulf beating this, What's the cost/performance of 4 Athlon 1.5GHz with 1 gig of ram each (on 100MBps) versus one of these? I bet the name of "server" raises that cost atleast 1000$.
5: What about power consumption issues? Last I've seen the G5's, they gobbled power faster than an overclocked Athlon. If they're "always on", might want to consider power adjustements to that beo'.
That cheap beowulf boxen are better in general. And if 1 component in Beowulf fales, it's a "Plug'N'Chug" for a new box.
1 Word. Cheap.
And since it's running linux (if it was Macos, it'd be from apple), why does hardware platfor matter? I thought the Linux branches to X hardware platforms were something Linux-kiddies always yelled?
1: Send emails with anything 2: Talk and share stuff on chat clients 3: Publish to an offsite web account 4: Backup remotely 5: Have more than 2 users on that "high speed" line, as you'll have upload starvation attacks 6: Have a small-time server for friends
Of course, this says nothing for P2P and swarming technologies. Now that more P2P client-servers are using a ratio way of accounting for leaches, you probably wont get much good download either.
If anything, they can provide sync connections at a decent cost. It just depends how they control bandwidth (local P2P, large newsgroup list, local Linux images, game updates......). All of those keep cost from going up for them by giving them less "internet" traffic. It also would provide what users would want.
Seemed to me that Bleem! always sucked. I never did the "dreamcast bleem", but I tried it out on PC. I got rid of it after going through horrible 1 fps lag on a 500MHz Athlon with NV Tnt2. Even the PSXEum was better than that steaming pile of crap.
And they wanted 50$ for it. Sad.
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What? Am I not telling the truth? Oh, I forgot. It's not the "WarezDoods turned Open Sourcer" rose tinted glasses.
Reality is sometimes that harsh.
Napster was just yet another DUMB.Bomb that died by judgement, when it was due to die by litigation AND lack of MAKING MONEY.
Bittorent is making a step in the right direction, but it's directory servcies can be shut down and all the torrents would be nullified.
The next step for Bittorrent is to make it into a swarm protocol so that everybody is a bit-torrent server and client. And that'll take time to understand the python (and math) to engineer something like that. Then you could add in IP spoofing natively on *nix platforms.
Face it. Napster itself was doomed at startup, and anybody that says differently is lying through their teeth.
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Whoptee doo. Napster was where you got songs for free. Guess they never shared music/movies with friends. Sharing like that was DECENTRALIZED, as was Usenet binary postings. All he did was make a library of all user content and then be a lookup agent.
Wow!. He created a search engine. And centralized at that so the whim of Mr. Judge could pull the plug.
Sounds like the book's a "WASTE". Wonder when you can get it on kazaa?
How about having a fetish? Animation can do things that real cannot, and some guys (girls?) get off on it.
It's the same way some people get off on B,D,S,M panty hose, foot, suffocation..etc. Also, considering that many "children" sexualities are illegal but animated children are excepted by that rule. That makes for some mighty nasty legal loopholes.
I told somebody about that, and they liked those pictures. Why? Because they can imagine partially being there and doing things to "her".
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That emulation of old consoles' games isnt as "harmless" as we all would like.
And yes, I emulate too, and know personally somebody who built a "Donkey Kong mame box of 5000 roms, and wiring in F5 to the change slot (MAME's enter change key).
And a beef with the devices: They look like that wont be able to stand a lick of abuse. The old atari stuff would take a world of pain before giving out. Now you must buy the whole thing again for a new stick.
>>>>You seem to be confusing 'expensive computer' with 'beowulf cluster'.
Nope, I dont. If you can compute without continual deadlocks of data, then it's usually clusterable. Databases use a heavy amount of locks to prevent data corruption, and therfore not allow clusters.
>>>Clusters have a great price/performance ratio for a small class of problems. Climate modeling, fluid dynamics, some life sciences, etc.
>>>The machines from IBM are designed to do , in enterprise speak, 'transactions'. SQL querys, web services, distibuted software, etc.
Read my other coments on this thread. I already mention it.
>>>A cluster makes a very shitty web server.
I disagree. If you use 1 DNS name bound to 6 servers (function of BIND poor man load balancing), you get round robin rotation between 6 servers. Now you can build a cluster of web servers that pull from one backend (DB server running heavy iron). Each Server can do it's own web page data processing, while distributing the load.
And in that last situation, all you'd need is redirects if the user does another DNS lookup to redirect him to thr proper server that originally gave ihis DB user request. Or you could just send a unlock to the DB server after marking some table like Last_Server_IP to null and then re-running the data to verify goodness.
True, it does explain some things. Mainly I se this as a push into the "We want low end, but server prices" pricing cap. I'm thinking of the Low End Sun's, Itaniums, SGI's non-X86,HP and other low end server stations. In that category, PPC running AIX or Linux sounds nice.
It's just crossing that low'end barrier is the killer. If you can make your app into a threaded app, you can send each thread to a processor and run them all at once. Beowulf. And you can use the really cheap stuff to do it it too. Google's already proved that X86 stuf is reliable for that kind of operation too.
It's when you need heavy transaction power is when you really go with AIX. Banks, Airports, and other time critical lookup and registration is when you need low-latency, high cpu and ram that super's have.
I still fail to understand why you'd want PPC linux rather than X86 Linux. You've just got more choices with X86.
>>the PPC970 is a 64 bit cpu...
Point being? Doesnt give my programs "Super-root" abilities.
>>How can you compair a Athlon to a G5?
Simple. How useful is it in general use (or per category)?
Server? Probably. Still, you have problems if _that_ box goes down, you're down. With a cluster, all of them have to go down before "IT" is down.
Graphics workstation? Get me a SGI.
Workstation (non-graphics intensive)? Offload my data processing to a SUN server and get me X86 dual.
>>Yes If you want a cheap dual smp rig then Athlons are fine. But if you want a powerfull workstation, backed by a huge company, THis is a pretty cool idea.
I take it you dont know what other products AMD does. Go look at those nice "IBM motherboards". Half of those components will have that nice AMD insignia that's been on their products since the 70's. And after INTEL was created by developers who broke off of them. AMD just doesnt make clone chips...
>>im sure since IBM is the creator of a G5 they are going to be able to support them better than anything else they sell. Companies are going to see this and they will realize that these machines will be quick and easy for IBM to repair.
I know how that goes. Just like all those damned Compaq Servers that even the drive bays are non-standard. I cant wait.
>>Oh Sure these companies can call Bob's computer warehouse, but we all know how much better IBMs support will be....
The last thing I want to do is call tech support that might have the product out by next-day. Some parts, I need now.
>>If I worked for a Multimillion dollar company I wouldnt want the computer repair guy going to walmart to pick up spare parts for their new server/workstation.....
Oh yes. I'm sure that a IBM nic is soo much more different than the 30$ nic shrinkwrapped in walmart. Just IBM had their name on it, so it's suddenly 50$ more.
enemy-territory]$ file et.x86
et.x86: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (GNU/Linux), for GNU/Linux 2.0.0, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), stripped
>>>try to run that on a ppc and tell me how it worked?
Too true. Still you proved my point more. Yes, Linux on PPC backed by IBM is "Cool", but right now, EVERYTHING is based on the standard of X86 compatibility.
I have a choice if I go with X86. I like Linux, and if my clients like linux, all the better. I can offer it. HOWEVER, if they, for some reason, go with MSWindows, I can fdisk linux, and install Windows.
And remember, MS axed all but their X86 line back in going from NT4=>NT5. I know, on Apple PPC, there's Linux or MacOS. Guess what though? The way Apple's going through 3'rd party developers, I dont trust them. And I certainly wouldnt invest in their computers until I know they'll survive getting rid of MS, Adobe and others.
Point recap:
PPC Linux. Little hardware accessable. Nice server. Expensive.
X86 Linux. Mucho hardware usable. Very configurable. Cheap Cheap Cheap. Well supported by MANY vendors.
Come on moderator. Explain why I'm wrong instead of slapping me with a mod point.
1: In order for PCI stuff to work with this platform, you need firmware for PPC. Guess what? The multitude of X86 cheap stuff doesnt work on these platforms. You probably pay 3-6 times what you'd normally pay for NICS and GFX cards. Apple does this all the time.
2: SMP's nice. So is PPC. But how much will you actually save if you went to this versus a new 1 or 2 Athlon setup?
3: Yes, firmware inconsistancy (86 or PPC) is a problem, but WHERE do you go for parts you need NOW? I can go to WalMart, or ripoff computer store and buy parts I need now. With this, it's atleast 1-5 days for parts. Not a good idea.
4: In my statement about Beowulf beating this, What's the cost/performance of 4 Athlon 1.5GHz with 1 gig of ram each (on 100MBps) versus one of these? I bet the name of "server" raises that cost atleast 1000$.
5: What about power consumption issues? Last I've seen the G5's, they gobbled power faster than an overclocked Athlon. If they're "always on", might want to consider power adjustements to that beo'.
That cheap beowulf boxen are better in general. And if 1 component in Beowulf fales, it's a "Plug'N'Chug" for a new box.
1 Word. Cheap.
And since it's running linux (if it was Macos, it'd be from apple), why does hardware platfor matter? I thought the Linux branches to X hardware platforms were something Linux-kiddies always yelled?
Nice. But irrevalent.
AAlib, of course ;-)
>>Kenshiro70&hotmail,com is not a valid address.
No shit sherlock. It's a slashdot special obfusication.
RTFM
>>>Wonder what would happen if someone bought one of these and then sent a letter to DirecTV, demanding that they be sued.
;-)
Well? Whats your name and address?
Whether Apple will leak down stuff like this to Linux.
After all, when they went to BSD, they inherited most all the apps and filters from Linux too.
I'm going to sue slashdot for making me view ads. prolly wont win, but I can sue.
They're doing the same thing. They're finding records for people who bought this stuff with a credit card and then S.L.A.P.P.ing them with a lawsuit.
Whether DirecTV can prove the allegations is yet another thing altogether. Of course, it reinforces you pay with cash for "sensitive" goods.
Knowing how much just plain elephants eat and destroy, would we want double-sized hairy elephant?
Scitentifically, that's cool. But ask yourself: Why did they die out?
fp
Then tell me what good have they DONE FOR ME?
You should cite proof showing that they HAVE done something. Elsewise, why should I give?
Come on. Everything the EFF has tried to do, they have FAILED MISERABLY at. And you propose to throw more money in something that does not work.
If anything, fighht back by word-to-mouth grassroots explanation. Make people care. Dont feed something that fails at what it tries.
BULL SHIT. I rip EVERYTHING I get my hands on. And if I loaned a cd to a friend, it'd either be a dupe or a master. I would have FLAC's of it.
Then I assume that you DONT do the following:
1: Send emails with anything
2: Talk and share stuff on chat clients
3: Publish to an offsite web account
4: Backup remotely
5: Have more than 2 users on that "high speed" line, as you'll have upload starvation attacks
6: Have a small-time server for friends
Of course, this says nothing for P2P and swarming technologies. Now that more P2P client-servers are using a ratio way of accounting for leaches, you probably wont get much good download either.
If anything, they can provide sync connections at a decent cost. It just depends how they control bandwidth (local P2P, large newsgroup list, local Linux images, game updates......). All of those keep cost from going up for them by giving them less "internet" traffic. It also would provide what users would want.
>>>I find this very hard to swallow
So do the nuns, son. So do the nuns.
When has any democrat OR republican eliminated something from our government?
Dems are more likely to tack on more tax, while repub's take anti-corporate laws down.
Seemed to me that Bleem! always sucked. I never did the "dreamcast bleem", but I tried it out on PC. I got rid of it after going through horrible 1 fps lag on a 500MHz Athlon with NV Tnt2. Even the PSXEum was better than that steaming pile of crap.
And they wanted 50$ for it. Sad.
What? Am I not telling the truth? Oh, I forgot. It's not the "WarezDoods turned Open Sourcer" rose tinted glasses.
.Bomb that died by judgement, when it was due to die by litigation AND lack of MAKING MONEY.
Reality is sometimes that harsh.
Napster was just yet another DUMB
Bittorent is making a step in the right direction, but it's directory servcies can be shut down and all the torrents would be nullified.
The next step for Bittorrent is to make it into a swarm protocol so that everybody is a bit-torrent server and client. And that'll take time to understand the python (and math) to engineer something like that. Then you could add in IP spoofing natively on *nix platforms.
Face it. Napster itself was doomed at startup, and anybody that says differently is lying through their teeth.
Whoptee doo. Napster was where you got songs for free. Guess they never shared music/movies with friends. Sharing like that was DECENTRALIZED, as was Usenet binary postings. All he did was make a library of all user content and then be a lookup agent.
Wow!. He created a search engine. And centralized at that so the whim of Mr. Judge could pull the plug.
Sounds like the book's a "WASTE". Wonder when you can get it on kazaa?
Eer watch Thirtenth Floor? That's what I'm guessing all the "Matrix" and "Zion" to be.
For those who havent watched that show, please do. It came out a wee bit before the matrix and was, in my opinion, better.
Pretty easy to mod me down. Why dont you refute my points instead?
How about having a fetish? Animation can do things that real cannot, and some guys (girls?) get off on it.
It's the same way some people get off on B,D,S,M panty hose, foot, suffocation..etc. Also, considering that many "children" sexualities are illegal but animated children are excepted by that rule. That makes for some mighty nasty legal loopholes.
I told somebody about that, and they liked those pictures. Why? Because they can imagine partially being there and doing things to "her".
I prefer a real woman.