Microsoft basically wants to centralise everything in the future in longhorn.. And this pretty much proves that while it might be good for them, that major problems will arise.
.. For instance, Networks like MSN messenger are completely centralised.. Sure MS has full control over it, but unlike decentralised networks like jabber, if one server goes down, the entire network doesn't..
I'm hoping consumers learn from this and learn about the importance of decentralisation, and from now on make choices taking into account decentralisation too..
sorry, just thought this thread needed someone to expand on this little event
Thats the trick, MS is using upnp to their advantage.. all linux needs is its own upnp integrated system into the kernel, or more Upnp daemons included with distro's by default and it wont even be noticed as much, its a wonder there aren't any worms or trojans for windows yet that use upnp to their advantage
I agree barcodez.. we really do need to get some major backer like IBM, or SUN to kick a few hardware manufacturors in the butt to get them to catch up on linux webcam support, because all other hardware support is pretty decent.. and since only until recently there were decent webcam apps in linux, they have all ignored linux..
What we should really do is make a webcam blacklist of all the bad webcams, and get Sun, IBM and Novell to harrass those companies until they do something.. I thought a bounty would be a good idea at first, but then companies would get lazy.
The problem is that products like these have just been cloning existing products already.. At this rate it will never take off enough to conquer the planet..
What needs to be done is something new.. a few ideas are:
-A framework which allows it to easily communicate with other apps.. Imagine programming something and having gnome meeting fully integrate into ur IDE allowing instantaneous updating of code on ur screen.. or allowing it to be easily integrated into stuff like dashboard with a easy framework (not sure if this is available)
-jabber support.. would make the product more future aware
- integration into firebird.. firebird supports extensions, imagine being able to accept calls on ur firebird window.. or integration into openoffice would be even better
-Webcam driver bounties (or big ppl forcing companies to make nix drivers for free).. unfortunately not many webcams work in linux, (in aus many ppl own swann opti-cam's which use a sonix chip which is unsupported).. Large linux companies like Sun could potentially use their influence to finally force the webcam companies to get up to speed with unix (not really gnomemeeting related).. the rest of unix drivers tend to these days be up to date except webcam drivers, because webcams are considered non critical by too many in linux, and up till recently weren't used much..
its confusing to those who haven't programmed before at least.. The thing is that with java code, u require more knowledge of which variables to do "new" to then in C, thats been my experience though.. I just think at the very least he should try out another language before giving up instantly.
Coding is not something u enjoy at first, because it takes a while to fully understand stuff (like in C++ ppl are taught that they need "using namespace std;" at the top of their code, but it isn't until months later that they have any comprehension of what a namespace is. But eventually, theres one point that everything falls into place, when the last basic pieces of the language are learnt.. and thats worth waiting for
I'm a current 3rd year computer science student, and I honestly believe that you will to do some coding to become deeply involved in computers, because you cant understand how something works, if u dont know its internals.
In fact, the period when u learn the most about computers is when u do computer architecture, where for me at least, we had to learn assembly language.
However, maybe by doing digital logic or something, u can be involved with computers, and only worry a bit about coding, but dont count on it too much.. I'm actually recommending at least basic digital logic to ppl, because for me at least, it taught alot about optimisation, amongst other things
I dont want to start a flamewar, but u will actually find learning C++/C, later on alot easier then java, because java is less sensitive to compile time problems I've found, and because there aren't pointers it can confuse ppl..
anyway, dont give up so easily mate.. I suggest u learn a bit of C/C++ on the side to see if programming really is ur thing or not..
imagine the applications now, a laser bazooka, bullets with lasers, etc.. Bush must be wetting his pants..
I'm just hoping the prototype they build is so incredibly massive/very heavy, yet hopefully efficient that for once it cant be used by the military, as everything else seems to be these days
When you release a list like this, your really already in trouble.. All of those things on that list should by done by default.. At the very least MS should offer a patch on windows update that sets these things by default on.. You wouldn't buy a car and expect to get the brakes fixed weeks after driving it.. MS should fix the brakes by default, and if the user wants their brakes like they originally were, they can set them like that later..
Overall, MS should have just included a standard security level option during install from the start that lets users pick how secure they want their machine by default..
but overall, I guess I cant be too whiney about it, because lindows doesn't have strong security either.. I just wish that all os's designed for startard users would have firewalls installed by default with a drop all from net policy, because that would single handedly have stopped many worms, and obviously the quicker the problem is attacked, the more secure the internet is, because then we dont need to worry about flaws found 5 years later for instance as much
Microsoft are probably trying to do it to prevent another SCO fiasco, where some company patents it and later they find that they need to completely change the office format, or discover that apperently that company now owns the office format. They dont stand a chance of getting the patent, and even if they did, they would lose it, but they are probably just paying it safe..
Overall, blame the intoduction of software patents, then we wouldn't be in this mess. I do hate that MS are patenting an important ability of a standard, but lets face it, blame software patents because without them, not only would microsoft not be able to patent it, but also, either would anyone else, which would eliminate the requirement for them doing so.
While Microsoft can patent this, there is no way they could possible enforce it.. Furthermore, New Zealand's population isn't very big, so will affect the open source world minimally. At the very worst Sun could just put a clause on the website, and if they get sued, they could practically just argue that MS never invented XML anyway.
I think the true intention of it is to really stop the open source packages creating a unified format that they all follow, which is easily done in XML, which would be a major breakthrough for open source (compatibility to the max), and as u all know, if all the linux documents are all cross portable, and they can all maintain editor specific features, then, if a good first impression is made (with good reviews etc), it could easily win businesses over, especially because the idea could potentially all spreadsheets, word documents etc to all work very interchangably with a common format
Doesn't really matter who their bands are, they are still doing stuff for the best interest of us (they dont really need to). Artists do need to start somewhere, and MP3's are the best way, the RIAA tries to punish smaller artists. If all the smaller companies do something like this, the amount of variety on our radio's once again will be massive, instead of the same 20 songs being played over and over again, the ones being pushed by the big companies. So, no matter how small the music distributor, this is great for us and all musicians, because maybe for once we wont need to put up fully with the teeny boppers choice of music on the radio, because everyones choice of music will become broad enough that we wont just be listening to what the major music companies shove down our throats
speed isn't everything though.. ATI has a continuing history of problems with their drivers that can cause problems in games, maya etc. Nothing worse then getting a program (especially if u buy it), and discovering graphical corruption problems the hard way.
Another thing is that benchmarks like 3d mark 2003 do not represent real life performance. For starters, Directx 9.0 runs slower on just about every video card, and most games dont really even utilise dx 9 features (even the latest ones). Benchmarks also aren't optimised in the least for specific systems, so stuff like the nature scene in 3dmark 2003, would probably run alot faster if optimised on a per card basis. 3D mark also appears to just want to stuff as much polygons onto the scene, without taking much into consideration (I'd personally love to find out if the grass in the nature scene are all different models, which would be a total joke)..
Anyway, i've found my geforce FX 5900 to be an excellent card, and mostly bug free, and nvidia are right to be saying that many benchmarks do not represent real performance.
Overall though, if u already have a video card, no point of spending more money, at least not until the next generation of nvidia cards which will support 2D better
Theres already enough advertising anyway, and promoting gambling is bad anyway (as it encourages gambling addiction, so they are doing us a favor for that too..
And adobe have the right to do whatever they want with their software, and they dont need to disclose what they do with it either, it is their personal right. If software manufacturors listed everything their software could and could not do, the packaging would be bland. If adobe wants to screw it up entirely, and make it so its completely disfunctional, they legally and morally can.. word will spread its a bad product, thats the way it works.
I wish I got one. in fact, I'm advising every company who got one to stand up to their rights by reporting them to neccessary authorities, because they are threatening business by posting letters without proof, which I'm sure must be illegal under a few laws..
Any lawyers here got any advise to those businesses affected?
u can run it on computer for sure.. Its pretty futile for them to even try, because the moment one person cracks it, it hits P2P, and all the ppl who weren't going to buy it anyway, are going to d/l it then...
its completely pointless.. Only annoys the ppl who bought it
but I dont think linux needs to be reorganised.. Currently many companies are employing the open source system, and it has been proven that it works.. At any time anyone who wants could fork the kernel and do it their way. But I personally don't see the system changing, or any reason for it to...
"As for SCO, they'll continue to make noise until the middle of the year, at which point the legal case will implode and the company will give up.".. As for that, I think quite the opposite, that the SCO executives have gotten so used to annoying everyone, that they need to keep the badboy attitude, and will keep having to keep that reputation, or they would be exterminated.
I think a few of the predictions are pretty obvious though, not really sure if they are worth getting slashdotted
quantum computers are 255 qubits I think.. and thats per "transistor". On a true quantum computers, boolean logic is kind of pointless too because it only utilises 1 bit at a time, when more could be done
at least from what I've heard
At least Microsoft never bought winamp, or next version would be "winampXP", which would have digital rights management, and to greatly improve productivity, an MSN banner scrolling at the bottom... And of course that awful format known as MP3 would be replaced with the superior microsoft (T) wma codec
i agree completely. LOC really has nothing to do with the quality of the code either.
like
while (thing 10) {
thing++;
}
is only 3 lines, but it does not make it any more better then:
while (thing 10)
{
thing++;
}
both really are just as readable.
Also, when dealing with stuff like C++, u can discover while VB does things in less code, a game coded in VB will probably never run as well then a c++ equivilent.
Looks a bit like eiffel to be honest.. Of course, I cant say anything until I've tried the language
well, even after IBM has established that SCO is full , the case I'm sure will still push on..
Then its countersuit time.. This is where it gets fun. See, while u guys are off betting money for how long they will take to die, I think I'll just sue them for breaching the GPL and walk away with a few thousand dollars... but thats just me:P
Well, the guy behind this article is obviously a spammer.. its a really smart idea to slashdot a site which is getting DDOS'ed...
Well, I'm wondering what would have been more damage.. the worm or the slashdotting
yeah, the only reason they are facing dangerous foes is because when u blow up half the planet for little reason at all and spend billions on the military, what do u expect will happen?
actually, dont take this officially, but I have managed to encourage the Monash mayor to create a community Wifi.. but they dont have enough money at the moment, so keep encouraging ur councils to set up a loose wifi community network;)
well, I used to be on ihug, and they aren't great either, considering the government took telstra away from us, at the least they should replace it with something like community wifi
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Microsoft basically wants to centralise everything in the future in longhorn.. And this pretty much proves that while it might be good for them, that major problems will arise.
.. For instance, Networks like MSN messenger are completely centralised.. Sure MS has full control over it, but unlike decentralised networks like jabber, if one server goes down, the entire network doesn't..
I'm hoping consumers learn from this and learn about the importance of decentralisation, and from now on make choices taking into account decentralisation too..
sorry, just thought this thread needed someone to expand on this little event
Thats the trick, MS is using upnp to their advantage.. all linux needs is its own upnp integrated system into the kernel, or more Upnp daemons included with distro's by default and it wont even be noticed as much, its a wonder there aren't any worms or trojans for windows yet that use upnp to their advantage
I agree barcodez.. we really do need to get some major backer like IBM, or SUN to kick a few hardware manufacturors in the butt to get them to catch up on linux webcam support, because all other hardware support is pretty decent.. and since only until recently there were decent webcam apps in linux, they have all ignored linux..
What we should really do is make a webcam blacklist of all the bad webcams, and get Sun, IBM and Novell to harrass those companies until they do something.. I thought a bounty would be a good idea at first, but then companies would get lazy.
The problem is that products like these have just been cloning existing products already.. At this rate it will never take off enough to conquer the planet..
What needs to be done is something new.. a few ideas are:
-A framework which allows it to easily communicate with other apps.. Imagine programming something and having gnome meeting fully integrate into ur IDE allowing instantaneous updating of code on ur screen.. or allowing it to be easily integrated into stuff like dashboard with a easy framework (not sure if this is available)
-jabber support.. would make the product more future aware
- integration into firebird.. firebird supports extensions, imagine being able to accept calls on ur firebird window.. or integration into openoffice would be even better
-Webcam driver bounties (or big ppl forcing companies to make nix drivers for free).. unfortunately not many webcams work in linux, (in aus many ppl own swann opti-cam's which use a sonix chip which is unsupported).. Large linux companies like Sun could potentially use their influence to finally force the webcam companies to get up to speed with unix (not really gnomemeeting related).. the rest of unix drivers tend to these days be up to date except webcam drivers, because webcams are considered non critical by too many in linux, and up till recently weren't used much..
Not sure how the gnomemeeting code is though..
its confusing to those who haven't programmed before at least.. The thing is that with java code, u require more knowledge of which variables to do "new" to then in C, thats been my experience though.. I just think at the very least he should try out another language before giving up instantly.
Coding is not something u enjoy at first, because it takes a while to fully understand stuff (like in C++ ppl are taught that they need "using namespace std;" at the top of their code, but it isn't until months later that they have any comprehension of what a namespace is. But eventually, theres one point that everything falls into place, when the last basic pieces of the language are learnt.. and thats worth waiting for
I'm a current 3rd year computer science student, and I honestly believe that you will to do some coding to become deeply involved in computers, because you cant understand how something works, if u dont know its internals.
In fact, the period when u learn the most about computers is when u do computer architecture, where for me at least, we had to learn assembly language.
However, maybe by doing digital logic or something, u can be involved with computers, and only worry a bit about coding, but dont count on it too much.. I'm actually recommending at least basic digital logic to ppl, because for me at least, it taught alot about optimisation, amongst other things
I dont want to start a flamewar, but u will actually find learning C++/C, later on alot easier then java, because java is less sensitive to compile time problems I've found, and because there aren't pointers it can confuse ppl..
anyway, dont give up so easily mate.. I suggest u learn a bit of C/C++ on the side to see if programming really is ur thing or not..
imagine the applications now, a laser bazooka, bullets with lasers, etc.. Bush must be wetting his pants.. I'm just hoping the prototype they build is so incredibly massive/very heavy, yet hopefully efficient that for once it cant be used by the military, as everything else seems to be these days
When you release a list like this, your really already in trouble.. All of those things on that list should by done by default.. At the very least MS should offer a patch on windows update that sets these things by default on.. You wouldn't buy a car and expect to get the brakes fixed weeks after driving it.. MS should fix the brakes by default, and if the user wants their brakes like they originally were, they can set them like that later.. Overall, MS should have just included a standard security level option during install from the start that lets users pick how secure they want their machine by default.. but overall, I guess I cant be too whiney about it, because lindows doesn't have strong security either.. I just wish that all os's designed for startard users would have firewalls installed by default with a drop all from net policy, because that would single handedly have stopped many worms, and obviously the quicker the problem is attacked, the more secure the internet is, because then we dont need to worry about flaws found 5 years later for instance as much
Microsoft are probably trying to do it to prevent another SCO fiasco, where some company patents it and later they find that they need to completely change the office format, or discover that apperently that company now owns the office format. They dont stand a chance of getting the patent, and even if they did, they would lose it, but they are probably just paying it safe..
Overall, blame the intoduction of software patents, then we wouldn't be in this mess. I do hate that MS are patenting an important ability of a standard, but lets face it, blame software patents because without them, not only would microsoft not be able to patent it, but also, either would anyone else, which would eliminate the requirement for them doing so.
While Microsoft can patent this, there is no way they could possible enforce it.. Furthermore, New Zealand's population isn't very big, so will affect the open source world minimally. At the very worst Sun could just put a clause on the website, and if they get sued, they could practically just argue that MS never invented XML anyway. I think the true intention of it is to really stop the open source packages creating a unified format that they all follow, which is easily done in XML, which would be a major breakthrough for open source (compatibility to the max), and as u all know, if all the linux documents are all cross portable, and they can all maintain editor specific features, then, if a good first impression is made (with good reviews etc), it could easily win businesses over, especially because the idea could potentially all spreadsheets, word documents etc to all work very interchangably with a common format
Doesn't really matter who their bands are, they are still doing stuff for the best interest of us (they dont really need to). Artists do need to start somewhere, and MP3's are the best way, the RIAA tries to punish smaller artists. If all the smaller companies do something like this, the amount of variety on our radio's once again will be massive, instead of the same 20 songs being played over and over again, the ones being pushed by the big companies. So, no matter how small the music distributor, this is great for us and all musicians, because maybe for once we wont need to put up fully with the teeny boppers choice of music on the radio, because everyones choice of music will become broad enough that we wont just be listening to what the major music companies shove down our throats
speed isn't everything though.. ATI has a continuing history of problems with their drivers that can cause problems in games, maya etc. Nothing worse then getting a program (especially if u buy it), and discovering graphical corruption problems the hard way. Another thing is that benchmarks like 3d mark 2003 do not represent real life performance. For starters, Directx 9.0 runs slower on just about every video card, and most games dont really even utilise dx 9 features (even the latest ones). Benchmarks also aren't optimised in the least for specific systems, so stuff like the nature scene in 3dmark 2003, would probably run alot faster if optimised on a per card basis. 3D mark also appears to just want to stuff as much polygons onto the scene, without taking much into consideration (I'd personally love to find out if the grass in the nature scene are all different models, which would be a total joke).. Anyway, i've found my geforce FX 5900 to be an excellent card, and mostly bug free, and nvidia are right to be saying that many benchmarks do not represent real performance. Overall though, if u already have a video card, no point of spending more money, at least not until the next generation of nvidia cards which will support 2D better
Theres already enough advertising anyway, and promoting gambling is bad anyway (as it encourages gambling addiction, so they are doing us a favor for that too.. And adobe have the right to do whatever they want with their software, and they dont need to disclose what they do with it either, it is their personal right. If software manufacturors listed everything their software could and could not do, the packaging would be bland. If adobe wants to screw it up entirely, and make it so its completely disfunctional, they legally and morally can.. word will spread its a bad product, thats the way it works.
I wish I got one. in fact, I'm advising every company who got one to stand up to their rights by reporting them to neccessary authorities, because they are threatening business by posting letters without proof, which I'm sure must be illegal under a few laws.. Any lawyers here got any advise to those businesses affected?
u can run it on computer for sure.. Its pretty futile for them to even try, because the moment one person cracks it, it hits P2P, and all the ppl who weren't going to buy it anyway, are going to d/l it then... its completely pointless.. Only annoys the ppl who bought it
but I dont think linux needs to be reorganised.. Currently many companies are employing the open source system, and it has been proven that it works.. At any time anyone who wants could fork the kernel and do it their way. But I personally don't see the system changing, or any reason for it to... "As for SCO, they'll continue to make noise until the middle of the year, at which point the legal case will implode and the company will give up.".. As for that, I think quite the opposite, that the SCO executives have gotten so used to annoying everyone, that they need to keep the badboy attitude, and will keep having to keep that reputation, or they would be exterminated. I think a few of the predictions are pretty obvious though, not really sure if they are worth getting slashdotted
quantum computers are 255 qubits I think.. and thats per "transistor". On a true quantum computers, boolean logic is kind of pointless too because it only utilises 1 bit at a time, when more could be done at least from what I've heard
At least Microsoft never bought winamp, or next version would be "winampXP", which would have digital rights management, and to greatly improve productivity, an MSN banner scrolling at the bottom... And of course that awful format known as MP3 would be replaced with the superior microsoft (T) wma codec
i agree completely. LOC really has nothing to do with the quality of the code either. like while (thing 10) { thing++; } is only 3 lines, but it does not make it any more better then: while (thing 10) { thing++; } both really are just as readable. Also, when dealing with stuff like C++, u can discover while VB does things in less code, a game coded in VB will probably never run as well then a c++ equivilent. Looks a bit like eiffel to be honest.. Of course, I cant say anything until I've tried the language
I just happen to have 6000 PC's here (in this slightly small 2 story house) running linux I'd like to change to freebsd. U think they'll believe that?
well, even after IBM has established that SCO is full , the case I'm sure will still push on.. Then its countersuit time.. This is where it gets fun. See, while u guys are off betting money for how long they will take to die, I think I'll just sue them for breaching the GPL and walk away with a few thousand dollars... but thats just me :P
Well, the guy behind this article is obviously a spammer.. its a really smart idea to slashdot a site which is getting DDOS'ed... Well, I'm wondering what would have been more damage.. the worm or the slashdotting
yeah, the only reason they are facing dangerous foes is because when u blow up half the planet for little reason at all and spend billions on the military, what do u expect will happen?
actually, dont take this officially, but I have managed to encourage the Monash mayor to create a community Wifi.. but they dont have enough money at the moment, so keep encouraging ur councils to set up a loose wifi community network ;)
well, I used to be on ihug, and they aren't great either, considering the government took telstra away from us, at the least they should replace it with something like community wifi