Look, as an ex-military, ex-Republican (since 2003, yes I voted for the retard in 2000) guy I'm here to tell ya: Bush is a fuckup. You can spin it anyway you want
It's unfortunate that you see anyone who expresses an idea you don't like as 'spinning'.
, but you do not use the NSA to spy on US citizens. You do not intercept domestic phone calls without warrants. He's set a nice example for everybody there. To hell with privacy and the law. There's your tie-in.
So, that leads to the CEO of HP spying on her employees? Using this same logic, Clinton is responsible for every guy who cheated on his wife or perjured himself. Since I related it to a political figure you like, do you see the narrow mindness of this thinking? People were cheating on their wives, getting blowjobs, smoking weed, etc long before Clinton was around. George W Bush did not invent the wiretap.
Blaming presidents for things unrelated to them because you dislike their politics ruins rational political debate. This activity is usually out of pure tribalism, where people will not even consider the view of the other side.
And I just can't resist even though it's non-sequitur: You don't start wars on questionable intelligence.
Thanks General. While we are at it, I'll throw one at you. Interventionism leads to terrorism. Neither party will come out and say it, but the truth is the foreign policy of Bush 1, Clinton, and Bush 2 (briefly) is what led to 9/11. The terrorists would not be over here, if we were not over there. The Bush's weren't the only ones looking for dragons to slay overseas. Clinton took us into Kosovo when our national interests were not at stake, and the US citizens were not at risk. He also continued the sanctions against Iraq which Bin Laden mentioned in his Fatwah. Look, you can blame one party if you want but the truth is there isn't much difference anymore.
You Bush apologists crack me up. A damned blowjob does not equal a half trillion dollar war. Don't even get me started on "I didn't inhale" as opposed to the lack of response to the cocaine accusation.
I'm still wondering how you inferred I support the president from my first post. I was simply pointing out that the tone of politics today does not lead to meaningful debate.
The man is an asshole, as are Rumsfeld and Ashcroft.
Thanks for the brillant assessment.
And guess what? The Republican party as a whole (including the Republican "centrists" of which I once counted myself) are going to pay over the next election or two.
Historically speaking, they should lose this fall, and the polls indicate that will happen. I don't like the foreign policy of the neocons, nor do I think they have the best interests of America in mind.
Martyr? Maybe in the eyes of the Pat Robertson double-digit IQ brigade, but anybody with a moderate level of critical reasoning ability is going to see him as one of the worst presidents in this country's history.
You don't get it. He can be the worst president in the countries history, but if people think he's being unjustly attacked they WILL sympathize with him. Not just republicans either. Simply attack him on the issues, when you break down his actual public policy there are few things that conservatives or liberals would support. So much of the debate gets caught up with silly accusations and tribalism that most people don't see the factual reasons for what is wrong.
Also, your insinuation that christians have a double digit IQ is ignorant, would you say the same thing about Jews or Muslims? I'm not religious, but I don't like double standards.
The leader of our country sets an example for the leaders of our corporations
It's amazing to me that people seek to blame everything on George W Bush. Some loony CEO at HP spies on her employees and it's somehow Bush's fault. Judging by the media coverage you would think George W Bush made Katrina himself last year, and aimed it at New Orleans. One of Powell's men accidently leaks the name of a spy, and everyone blames Bush and Rove, yet there is little chance Powell or any of his 'boys' would take a dive for the neocons.
Why can't you guys just attack his policy, instead of looking to blame him for everything from the weather to idiot CEO's? His foreign policy is quite debatable, as is Dubai Ports, illegal immigrants taking blue collar jobs from the lower middle class, outsourcing, our trade policy with China, etc, etc. By feeding into the stupidity of blaming Bush for everything you just turn him into a martyr.
I just got my 20 inch iMac last week. I waited until after the ADC or whatever in August to order just in case they announced something new. Bastards. The new 24' inch one comes with a better graphics card too. Damn Apple and their need to release new products.
PS- I wonder how many dead pixels the 24 inch comes with out of the box, mine came with 2, but you need 5 to send it back.
It's the techniques, the procedure, the competence of the investigators that get's questioned, and thanks to our "well educated" and "intelligent" jury, sometimes the guilty go free.
It doesn't help that the Defense has a say in who sits on the jury. I would imagine they would attempt to throw out well informed jurors in such a case.
Ah, you are correct, and you didn't even include the felons which I forgot about. I will still argue that 54% isn't much of a turnout considering the events that surrounded the 2004 election, but perhaps it isn't as bleak as I thought.
Voter turnout tells us that people think the candidates are too similar to make a vote matter,
You are assuming this, but if people really cared they would pay attention and we wouldn't have candidates that are 'too similar'. I could get into how both parties rigged the presidential debates so no third party candidate could get in after Perot scared the crap out of them in 92 (19% in a 3 way race is a good showing).
If people really wanted a four way debate badly enough, they could pressure the political parties or television networks into doing so.
People DON'T care, that is my experence. 2004 had the largest turnout of any presidential election, coming off the 2000 elections and 9/11 which should have driven interest to an all time high. So what was the turnout like? About 122 of 300 million came out to vote which isn't even half. To me, that shows disinterest.
As for candidates being too similar, compare Gore and Bush to Nader and Bucahnan in 2000. Do you really think they were all that similar?
Five years after 9/11, you'd think all of the nation's first responders would be on a state-of-the-art wireless network that would enable police, fire and other emergency personnel to talk to each other in case of a disaster.
Five years after 9/11 you'd think we would have reformed our INS department, so that people who pose no threat could gain citizenship with more ease, and people who might be a threat were deported.
Five years after 9/11 you'd think we would have the most secure airlines in the world, with sensible screening processes, yet we do not.
Five years after 9/11 you'd think we would have had an honest review of our interventionist foreign policies since the end of the cold war, by Bush, Clinton, and GW Bush yet this hasn't happened.
Five years after 9/11 you'd think we would have made more progress in developing our own energy, or finding alternative fuels to use.
The only conclusion we can draw is that government, especially big government moves slowly, and is not doing the will of the American public. The American public is just too distracted to care. I blame world of warcraft.
I've grown tired of nationalism and was under the impression that we were supposed to have cast that off some time ago.
Unfortunately, this is not the case. I suppose I hate my country by virtue of my ambivalence towards the US in general and my complete lack of "patriotism".
I'm not quite sure why we are supposed to cast off our patriotism. Is it wrong to love ones country? To love and want to fight for the land that their ancestors are buried on? Is it wrong to respect and even take pride in the accomplisments of our forefathers? I realize it is not 'trendy' to be patriotic anymore, but I am, and I was long before 9/11.
I'm all for perspective in addressing tragedy and agree that the ridiculous coverage 9/11 gets cf the millions that die annually in the third word is farcical,
9/11 gets a lot of coverage in the states because it was the first attack on American soil in 60 years. Yes, it is a more 'sexy' topic, so it gets more coverage. It's very much like how AIDS gets a lot of coverage in America but it's not in the top 10 'causes of death' lists. It kills in a horrific way, and spreads in a horrific way, so the media covers it.
The sad part is, I think most slashdotters are bright enough to realize that, and most of the "9/11 gets too much coverage" comments are anti-Americanism dressed up as pseudo-intellectual thought.
Quit living in the past. In the US, you almost daily see (on the TV news) kids as young as 14 facing being tried as an adult. It's becoming part of the culture of overcharging every minor offense in hopes of having charges to drop in the cops' SOP of extorting concessions from the accused and the accused's lawyer. Anything to keep the fuckong cops have to do any real investigative work by geting the accused to cop a plea.
There are two things that will get a minor charged as an adult in the US, Murder and Rape. Most of the time it's only murder. Sometimes they might charge a 17 year old as an adult if they caused quite a bit of damage or harm in doing something or they have a large prior record. Most of the time an underage defendant gets away with a slap on the wrist. You are confusing the few trials you see on the news with what actually happens in real life.
I don't think a worm (or someone prepared to make one) is going to be afraid of the consequences, regardless of the jurisdiction.
If it ever happened in the US and the worm author was a US citizen they could look forward to being charged with like 250,000 counts of filing a false police report. Life in prison for an internet worm...nice.
Statistics and probability leave me with no fear of terrorism.
Until they get more successful with their attacks, and one of those successes kills you or someone you are close to. Then what the fuck am I going to play, John? Unreal Tournament? I suggest you travel by horseback everywhere, with armed guards and keep making me games. thanks.
evolution is as much fact as the earth revolving around the sun. it doesn't take a genius to understand that--some basic damn education in school would help!!!
It's not education, it is religion. I know plenty of people who graduated college who if you asked them if humans evolved from a previous life form they would say 'no'. They aren't answering that because they are ignorant of the theory of evolution, they just choose to believe in their religion. They have a right to their beliefs as long as they don't force them on anyone else.
The main problem with Libertarians, is that being a minority party they have to appeal to extremes. I did take some time to link the FAQ sheet you linked which stated:
There is no reason short of worship of the founders to presume that the Supreme Court is less capable than the founders.
Do we really want to compare Ruth Bader Ginsburg to George Washington? It doesn't take 'worship of the founding fathers' to presume that Washington was more capable.
Anyway, thanks for the link, I'm going to read some more of it on my commute home.
What country do you live in? I live in the USA where people voted in a facist administration that thinks the Constitution is a quaint document that is exactly where it belongs in a museum. If we could wrap copper around the founding fathers we wouldn't need foreign oil. Their spinning bodies could power the country for the next thousand years. If you mod this funny you aren't paying attention
1. Fascism isn't a product of the right, it's more leftist. You aren't even using the term correctly.
2. The Bush administration does not compare in ideology to Hitler nor Mussolini. By regurgitating the internet group think you add nothing to the conversation, but you do get a +5 from the other monkeys that agree with you.
3. Clinton and Bush's attempt to pass the line item veto is a much larger violation of the constitution then anything in the patriot act.
4. Yes, our founding fathers would be rolling over in their graves, but most likely it would be over congress having surrendered most of its power to the executive branch over the past 80 years. The rest of the rolling would be over social programs like welfare. When you run around quoting Ben Franklin about "Trading freedom for security", do you realize he was talking about taxes?
5. There is plenty of things the Bush administration has done that can be argued are ineffective, or just wrong. Framing your arguement with "OMG BUSH IS FACIST" is worthless.
You really expect a military force that is far outclassed by its enemies to follow the rules laid out by its attackers? They were all operating fairly independently because we destroyed their infrastructure. How else are they going to operate? Convenient when the rules are stacked in your favor and you can call anyone a criminal. Pretty much just like what we're doing with our own laws here in the states. Make enough laws, and everyone's guilty of something. Then you can just prosecute your enemies.
You really expect a military force that is putting up with terrorists attacks that break the rules of war to follow the rules of war laid by civilized man? You don't want them to torture terrorists, but how do you expect them to operate?
No, the greatest threat to the US comes from within. The same as most empires.
You are right, the real threat is the socialists in our country, who now sypathize with the islamic terrorists, socialists, etc.
Then again, apparently you don't think the grievances of our Islamic enemies are real, so you must be quite an extreme hypocrite, or you're tragically misinformed about our actions around the globe
So if someone does not agree with you, they must be "Tragically misinformed"? Way to close out differing opinions, but I guess that is what people who identify themselves by their politics have to do.
Trolls get modded up. Nice. Well, I would expect this opinion from someone who thinks communism wasn't a threat to the US. The sad part is, the USSR collapsing was staged. Russia is still the biggest "threat" to the US, much moreso than islamic terrorism. Go read the book "New lies for Old". Read about the Russian intellegence officer who defected to the US and told them Russia would stage a breakup as part of a long term strategy to fund criminal groups to fight a proxy war against the USA. All of that was written back in 1984.
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Look, as an ex-military, ex-Republican (since 2003, yes I voted for the retard in 2000) guy I'm here to tell ya: Bush is a fuckup. You can spin it anyway you want
It's unfortunate that you see anyone who expresses an idea you don't like as 'spinning'.
, but you do not use the NSA to spy on US citizens. You do not intercept domestic phone calls without warrants. He's set a nice example for everybody there. To hell with privacy and the law. There's your tie-in.
So, that leads to the CEO of HP spying on her employees? Using this same logic, Clinton is responsible for every guy who cheated on his wife or perjured himself. Since I related it to a political figure you like, do you see the narrow mindness of this thinking? People were cheating on their wives, getting blowjobs, smoking weed, etc long before Clinton was around. George W Bush did not invent the wiretap.
Blaming presidents for things unrelated to them because you dislike their politics ruins rational political debate. This activity is usually out of pure tribalism, where people will not even consider the view of the other side.
And I just can't resist even though it's non-sequitur: You don't start wars on questionable intelligence.
Thanks General. While we are at it, I'll throw one at you. Interventionism leads to terrorism. Neither party will come out and say it, but the truth is the foreign policy of Bush 1, Clinton, and Bush 2 (briefly) is what led to 9/11. The terrorists would not be over here, if we were not over there. The Bush's weren't the only ones looking for dragons to slay overseas. Clinton took us into Kosovo when our national interests were not at stake, and the US citizens were not at risk. He also continued the sanctions against Iraq which Bin Laden mentioned in his Fatwah. Look, you can blame one party if you want but the truth is there isn't much difference anymore.
You Bush apologists crack me up. A damned blowjob does not equal a half trillion dollar war. Don't even get me started on "I didn't inhale" as opposed to the lack of response to the cocaine accusation.
I'm still wondering how you inferred I support the president from my first post. I was simply pointing out that the tone of politics today does not lead to meaningful debate.
The man is an asshole, as are Rumsfeld and Ashcroft.
Thanks for the brillant assessment.
And guess what? The Republican party as a whole (including the Republican "centrists" of which I once counted myself) are going to pay over the next election or two.
Historically speaking, they should lose this fall, and the polls indicate that will happen. I don't like the foreign policy of the neocons, nor do I think they have the best interests of America in mind.
Martyr? Maybe in the eyes of the Pat Robertson double-digit IQ brigade, but anybody with a moderate level of critical reasoning ability is going to see him as one of the worst presidents in this country's history.
You don't get it. He can be the worst president in the countries history, but if people think he's being unjustly attacked they WILL sympathize with him. Not just republicans either. Simply attack him on the issues, when you break down his actual public policy there are few things that conservatives or liberals would support. So much of the debate gets caught up with silly accusations and tribalism that most people don't see the factual reasons for what is wrong.
Also, your insinuation that christians have a double digit IQ is ignorant, would you say the same thing about Jews or Muslims? I'm not religious, but I don't like double standards.
The leader of our country sets an example for the leaders of our corporations
It's amazing to me that people seek to blame everything on George W Bush. Some loony CEO at HP spies on her employees and it's somehow Bush's fault. Judging by the media coverage you would think George W Bush made Katrina himself last year, and aimed it at New Orleans. One of Powell's men accidently leaks the name of a spy, and everyone blames Bush and Rove, yet there is little chance Powell or any of his 'boys' would take a dive for the neocons.
Why can't you guys just attack his policy, instead of looking to blame him for everything from the weather to idiot CEO's? His foreign policy is quite debatable, as is Dubai Ports, illegal immigrants taking blue collar jobs from the lower middle class, outsourcing, our trade policy with China, etc, etc. By feeding into the stupidity of blaming Bush for everything you just turn him into a martyr.
I just ordered my mini YESTERDAY.
I just got my 20 inch iMac last week. I waited until after the ADC or whatever in August to order just in case they announced something new. Bastards. The new 24' inch one comes with a better graphics card too. Damn Apple and their need to release new products.
PS- I wonder how many dead pixels the 24 inch comes with out of the box, mine came with 2, but you need 5 to send it back.
It's the techniques, the procedure, the competence of the investigators that get's questioned, and thanks to our "well educated" and "intelligent" jury, sometimes the guilty go free.
It doesn't help that the Defense has a say in who sits on the jury. I would imagine they would attempt to throw out well informed jurors in such a case.
Ah, you are correct, and you didn't even include the felons which I forgot about. I will still argue that 54% isn't much of a turnout considering the events that surrounded the 2004 election, but perhaps it isn't as bleak as I thought.
That's completely unfounded bullshit.
Voter turnout tells us that people think the candidates are too similar to make a vote matter,
You are assuming this, but if people really cared they would pay attention and we wouldn't have candidates that are 'too similar'. I could get into how both parties rigged the presidential debates so no third party candidate could get in after Perot scared the crap out of them in 92 (19% in a 3 way race is a good showing).
If people really wanted a four way debate badly enough, they could pressure the political parties or television networks into doing so.
People DON'T care, that is my experence. 2004 had the largest turnout of any presidential election, coming off the 2000 elections and 9/11 which should have driven interest to an all time high. So what was the turnout like? About 122 of 300 million came out to vote which isn't even half. To me, that shows disinterest.
As for candidates being too similar, compare Gore and Bush to Nader and Bucahnan in 2000. Do you really think they were all that similar?
Five years after 9/11, you'd think all of the nation's first responders would be on a state-of-the-art wireless network that would enable police, fire and other emergency personnel to talk to each other in case of a disaster.
Five years after 9/11 you'd think we would have reformed our INS department, so that people who pose no threat could gain citizenship with more ease, and people who might be a threat were deported.
Five years after 9/11 you'd think we would have the most secure airlines in the world, with sensible screening processes, yet we do not.
Five years after 9/11 you'd think we would have had an honest review of our interventionist foreign policies since the end of the cold war, by Bush, Clinton, and GW Bush yet this hasn't happened.
Five years after 9/11 you'd think we would have made more progress in developing our own energy, or finding alternative fuels to use.
The only conclusion we can draw is that government, especially big government moves slowly, and is not doing the will of the American public. The American public is just too distracted to care. I blame world of warcraft.
I've grown tired of nationalism and was under the impression that we were supposed to have cast that off some time ago. Unfortunately, this is not the case. I suppose I hate my country by virtue of my ambivalence towards the US in general and my complete lack of "patriotism".
I'm not quite sure why we are supposed to cast off our patriotism. Is it wrong to love ones country? To love and want to fight for the land that their ancestors are buried on? Is it wrong to respect and even take pride in the accomplisments of our forefathers? I realize it is not 'trendy' to be patriotic anymore, but I am, and I was long before 9/11.
if he were to get eaten, that he really hoped they'd get it on tape.
They had better hurry up, worms work fast.
I'm all for perspective in addressing tragedy and agree that the ridiculous coverage 9/11 gets cf the millions that die annually in the third word is farcical,
9/11 gets a lot of coverage in the states because it was the first attack on American soil in 60 years. Yes, it is a more 'sexy' topic, so it gets more coverage. It's very much like how AIDS gets a lot of coverage in America but it's not in the top 10 'causes of death' lists. It kills in a horrific way, and spreads in a horrific way, so the media covers it.
The sad part is, I think most slashdotters are bright enough to realize that, and most of the "9/11 gets too much coverage" comments are anti-Americanism dressed up as pseudo-intellectual thought.
He wasn't some one who chased profits as his primary motivation
Yes, god forbid someone is motivated by money! How evil.
The game is nearly perfectly balanced as it stands.
Hi Tigole. I didn't know you read Slashdot.
Quit living in the past. In the US, you almost daily see (on the TV news) kids as young as 14 facing being tried as an adult. It's becoming part of the culture of overcharging every minor offense in hopes of having charges to drop in the cops' SOP of extorting concessions from the accused and the accused's lawyer. Anything to keep the fuckong cops have to do any real investigative work by geting the accused to cop a plea.
There are two things that will get a minor charged as an adult in the US, Murder and Rape. Most of the time it's only murder. Sometimes they might charge a 17 year old as an adult if they caused quite a bit of damage or harm in doing something or they have a large prior record. Most of the time an underage defendant gets away with a slap on the wrist. You are confusing the few trials you see on the news with what actually happens in real life.
I don't think a worm (or someone prepared to make one) is going to be afraid of the consequences, regardless of the jurisdiction.
If it ever happened in the US and the worm author was a US citizen they could look forward to being charged with like 250,000 counts of filing a false police report. Life in prison for an internet worm...nice.
Maybe Phill Ryu can turn American Idol-inspired online competition into a youtube video and have bob saget co-host.
Statistics and probability leave me with no fear of terrorism.
Until they get more successful with their attacks, and one of those successes kills you or someone you are close to. Then what the fuck am I going to play, John? Unreal Tournament? I suggest you travel by horseback everywhere, with armed guards and keep making me games. thanks.
MANY OF THEM STILL program in all caps. They would be unhappy.
evolution is as much fact as the earth revolving around the sun. it doesn't take a genius to understand that--some basic damn education in school would help!!!
It's not education, it is religion. I know plenty of people who graduated college who if you asked them if humans evolved from a previous life form they would say 'no'. They aren't answering that because they are ignorant of the theory of evolution, they just choose to believe in their religion. They have a right to their beliefs as long as they don't force them on anyone else.
Slashdot should really have a red layout instead of green.
The main problem with Libertarians, is that being a minority party they have to appeal to extremes. I did take some time to link the FAQ sheet you linked which stated:
There is no reason short of worship of the founders to presume that the Supreme Court is less capable than the founders.
Do we really want to compare Ruth Bader Ginsburg to George Washington? It doesn't take 'worship of the founding fathers' to presume that Washington was more capable.
Anyway, thanks for the link, I'm going to read some more of it on my commute home.
What country do you live in? I live in the USA where people voted in a facist administration that thinks the Constitution is a quaint document that is exactly where it belongs in a museum. If we could wrap copper around the founding fathers we wouldn't need foreign oil. Their spinning bodies could power the country for the next thousand years. If you mod this funny you aren't paying attention
1. Fascism isn't a product of the right, it's more leftist. You aren't even using the term correctly.
2. The Bush administration does not compare in ideology to Hitler nor Mussolini. By regurgitating the internet group think you add nothing to the conversation, but you do get a +5 from the other monkeys that agree with you.
3. Clinton and Bush's attempt to pass the line item veto is a much larger violation of the constitution then anything in the patriot act.
4. Yes, our founding fathers would be rolling over in their graves, but most likely it would be over congress having surrendered most of its power to the executive branch over the past 80 years. The rest of the rolling would be over social programs like welfare. When you run around quoting Ben Franklin about "Trading freedom for security", do you realize he was talking about taxes?
5. There is plenty of things the Bush administration has done that can be argued are ineffective, or just wrong. Framing your arguement with "OMG BUSH IS FACIST" is worthless.
6. Bring the pirate party to the USA!
It sounds better than ethical lamer.
You really expect a military force that is far outclassed by its enemies to follow the rules laid out by its attackers? They were all operating fairly independently because we destroyed their infrastructure. How else are they going to operate? Convenient when the rules are stacked in your favor and you can call anyone a criminal. Pretty much just like what we're doing with our own laws here in the states. Make enough laws, and everyone's guilty of something. Then you can just prosecute your enemies.
You really expect a military force that is putting up with terrorists attacks that break the rules of war to follow the rules of war laid by civilized man? You don't want them to torture terrorists, but how do you expect them to operate?
No, the greatest threat to the US comes from within. The same as most empires.
You are right, the real threat is the socialists in our country, who now sypathize with the islamic terrorists, socialists, etc.
Then again, apparently you don't think the grievances of our Islamic enemies are real, so you must be quite an extreme hypocrite, or you're tragically misinformed about our actions around the globe
So if someone does not agree with you, they must be "Tragically misinformed"? Way to close out differing opinions, but I guess that is what people who identify themselves by their politics have to do.
Trolls get modded up. Nice. Well, I would expect this opinion from someone who thinks communism wasn't a threat to the US. The sad part is, the USSR collapsing was staged. Russia is still the biggest "threat" to the US, much moreso than islamic terrorism. Go read the book "New lies for Old". Read about the Russian intellegence officer who defected to the US and told them Russia would stage a breakup as part of a long term strategy to fund criminal groups to fight a proxy war against the USA. All of that was written back in 1984.