> I'm not certain why you all think this is insightful?
It wasn't. Just a knee-jerk response that has nothing to do with the story.
> And les you all forget, there is some good code buried under all that other stuff that MS puts out. If MS ever got their act together and stripped away the bad code and added bits and pieces from others in the Windows domain. They could actually have something that would compete.
Are you refering to something specific, such as web servers? Because it would appear that overall Microsoft is doing a reasonably good job of competing. It's not like Linux & Co. had anywhere to go but up.
> I was thinking of using this to power my car - gas is getting kinda high... > Maybe I can jam it into a hybrid and get a few extra hundred miles out of the tank...
I could see/starting/ your car with it, but...you have roadworthy car with an engine that/runs/ on 12V? I'm impressed.
That's something a script should be handling for every site - it has an account on Slashdot, and can see the mysterious future posts - if there's a link to their site in it, it sends an alert to the sysad. It'd be much more effective to just grep slashdot's front page for a link to your site whenever you detect a visitor has been refered from slashdot. If there's a match, start blocking connections from everywhere except coral cache and the various automated article mirror sites.
> I sure as hell wouldn't. The man doesn't live in the real world if he thinks open source will continue to thrive without GPL type licensing... just look at how booming the BSD community is compared to the Linux one...there's a reason for that.
Right. Personal work-related use. Instead of john.smith@mycompany.com, it's john.smith???@gmail.com, where ??? is an acronym for your company name or some such.
Obviously if shared usernames like sales@mycompany.com are needed, gmail wouldn't be an option. But a small enough business will not need those.
Get everyone a gmail account, and forward their old addresses to there.
The price is free, the features are good, and the drawbacks are negligeable if you set everyone up with a good.sig including the business name, phone, etc.
> "webmail" -- I see you agree with the parent's point then.
Not really. To me, gmail is more efficient than regular mail clients like thunderbird and mutt. That is why I forward all my mail to it.
> Every time I want to reply to someone in gmail, it takes me at least 20 seconds to find the reply link. Other people I talk to agree on this particular point as well as on the bad overall ui in general.
First you say gmail isn't simple enough, then you complain that their reply button is a simple "Reply" link at the base of each message. Aren't you being a tad inconsistent?
I've never had a problem finding the reply link. Moreover, I think gmail has an excellent ui in general and at least 95% of the people I've sent invites to love it.
> I want folders for my mail. I don't want to see a giant stream of everything. I like to see all related mail together in one place without being distracted by other stuff. To clean my inbox, I am forced to 'archive.' With a typical mail client, stuff I move to a new 'folder' (category in the gmail world) gets removed from my inbox. I like that because I keep all my actionable email in my inbox and move it when I'm done.
Archive and apply a label. Use filters for this. All my recurring mail gets archived and labeled automatically. When I am done with my "actionable" email, I label and/or archive it as apropriate.
> * When I'm looking for a specific email I remember getting about 4 days ago, I don't want to have to dig into the thread that started that conversation half a year ago because we know everyone likes to use the reply button to send email instead of composing fresh mail. My only other alternative is to use search, but that means I can't see other email that arrived around the same date because search only gives me what I looked for. Sometimes I remember getting an email from someone I don't know on the same day Doug replied to me about something related (he had referred them). So in a typical email client, I look for Doug's email from two weeks ago, and find that this other person's email sits about 5 lines away. In gmail, Doug's email is burried under an email from me! of all things, to him, that started last year... and after figuring that out and expanding all the different emails, I finally find the one I want and get the name of the person so I can run a stupid search for that person's email.
I guess the "show search options" link is eluding you too, eh? I no longer have to remember that the email I'm looking for was 5 lines from Doug's. I just have to remember something that will help me search for the message. Gmail's search interface is extremely efficient, as one would expect...
> gmail has the worst UI i've ever seen. It's embarrassing coming from a company that prides itself on minimalist and simple design.
Huh? What makes you say that? It is much more simple and functional than any competitors.
I consider Gmail to be the best webmail interface ever. Been using it for 13 months, and have all my email forwarded to it.
I guess it takes all kinds, eh?
> Similarly, the problem with java aps is their ui's are also inconsistent at best, and flaky in many cases, with quirky redraw bugs popping up ever so often that make me feel a little bit like I'm not quite in the same 'space' s the application.
Quite the contrary. Not even worth responding to.
> I'd rather have applications that are optimized for my computing situation, right down to the processor and my own built-in OS widget preferences.
Slashdot Mirror
> I'm not certain why you all think this is insightful?
It wasn't. Just a knee-jerk response that has nothing to do with the story.
> And les you all forget, there is some good code buried under all that other stuff that MS puts out. If MS ever got their act together and stripped away the bad code and added bits and pieces from others in the Windows domain. They could actually have something that would compete.
Are you refering to something specific, such as web servers? Because it would appear that overall Microsoft is doing a reasonably good job of competing. It's not like Linux & Co. had anywhere to go but up.
If it's Linux, were perfectly safe. Little thing called the GPL.
But you can bet your last cent that Microsoft wants to `cooperate' under a BSD license.
> I was thinking of using this to power my car - gas is getting kinda high...
/starting/ your car with it, but...you have roadworthy car with an engine that /runs/ on 12V? I'm impressed.
> Maybe I can jam it into a hybrid and get a few extra hundred miles out of the tank...
I could see
^ proof that all 4-digit UIDs haven't grown up yet ;)
> Sun continues to rise daily, what else is new?
Ah, the old rise/set debate. Scientists continue to invistigate which happened first...
> Capitalism Rules.
So does privoxy.
Um, explain how only alowing coral cache and the slashdot mirror sites would be a big bandwidth bill.
Thereby offending people instead of attracting them to your site?
/want/ as much traffic as they can handle.
Most webmasters
That's something a script should be handling for every site - it has an account on Slashdot, and can see the mysterious future posts - if there's a link to their site in it, it sends an alert to the sysad.
It'd be much more effective to just grep slashdot's front page for a link to your site whenever you detect a visitor has been refered from slashdot. If there's a match, start blocking connections from everywhere except coral cache and the various automated article mirror sites.
> A New Look at Linux vs. Windows TCO
:)
I liked The 0ld Look better
Small comfort to the company with a dieing platform.
But we don't know how to build it yet. Fission buys time.
One hundred years should be /plenty/ of time to figure out Fusion.
> I sure as hell wouldn't. The man doesn't live in the real world if he thinks open source will continue to thrive without GPL type licensing... just look at how booming the BSD community is compared to the Linux one...there's a reason for that.
Actually, it is was all AT&T's fault.
You should be able to cfdisk/mkreiserfs manually and do the rest with the GUI.
Damn, I guess that's that. I don't remember it being there last time I read the TOS back when there were all those trumped up privacy concerns.
Here's to hoping google offers a "premium" service once gmail goes public. It'd certainly be worth it, which such a great interface.
Right. Personal work-related use. Instead of john.smith@mycompany.com, it's john.smith???@gmail.com, where ??? is an acronym for your company name or some such.
Obviously if shared usernames like sales@mycompany.com are needed, gmail wouldn't be an option. But a small enough business will not need those.
Get everyone a gmail account, and forward their old addresses to there.
.sig including the business name, phone, etc.
The price is free, the features are good, and the drawbacks are negligeable if you set everyone up with a good
Sorry kid, but the people NASA doesn't hire are a different kind of retard.
I tried fastmail. Of course it isn't as pretty, but I would go so far as to say that it is downright ugly.
> Ummm, last time I checked, MOST corporate hacking was done from the INSIDE, NOT the Internet. K. Thanks.
Really? Where does one "check" this?
> "webmail" -- I see you agree with the parent's point then.
Not really. To me, gmail is more efficient than regular mail clients like thunderbird and mutt. That is why I forward all my mail to it.
> Every time I want to reply to someone in gmail, it takes me at least 20 seconds to find the reply link. Other people I talk to agree on this particular point as well as on the bad overall ui in general.
First you say gmail isn't simple enough, then you complain that their reply button is a simple "Reply" link at the base of each message. Aren't you being a tad inconsistent?
I've never had a problem finding the reply link. Moreover, I think gmail has an excellent ui in general and at least 95% of the people I've sent invites to love it.
> I want folders for my mail. I don't want to see a giant stream of everything. I like to see all related mail together in one place without being distracted by other stuff. To clean my inbox, I am forced to 'archive.' With a typical mail client, stuff I move to a new 'folder' (category in the gmail world) gets removed from my inbox. I like that because I keep all my actionable email in my inbox and move it when I'm done.
Archive and apply a label. Use filters for this. All my recurring mail gets archived and labeled automatically. When I am done with my "actionable" email, I label and/or archive it as apropriate.
> * When I'm looking for a specific email I remember getting about 4 days ago, I don't want to have to dig into the thread that started that conversation half a year ago because we know everyone likes to use the reply button to send email instead of composing fresh mail. My only other alternative is to use search, but that means I can't see other email that arrived around the same date because search only gives me what I looked for. Sometimes I remember getting an email from someone I don't know on the same day Doug replied to me about something related (he had referred them). So in a typical email client, I look for Doug's email from two weeks ago, and find that this other person's email sits about 5 lines away. In gmail, Doug's email is burried under an email from me! of all things, to him, that started last year... and after figuring that out and expanding all the different emails, I finally find the one I want and get the name of the person so I can run a stupid search for that person's email.
I guess the "show search options" link is eluding you too, eh? I no longer have to remember that the email I'm looking for was 5 lines from Doug's. I just have to remember something that will help me search for the message. Gmail's search interface is extremely efficient, as one would expect...
> Don't read the 'article' - don't post stories like this onb /. again please.
Eh? In all seriousness, I've come to expect no better.
> gmail has the worst UI i've ever seen. It's embarrassing coming from a company that prides itself on minimalist and simple design.
Huh? What makes you say that? It is much more simple and functional than any competitors.
I consider Gmail to be the best webmail interface ever. Been using it for 13 months, and have all my email forwarded to it.
I guess it takes all kinds, eh?
> Similarly, the problem with java aps is their ui's are also inconsistent at best, and flaky in many cases, with quirky redraw bugs popping up ever so often that make me feel a little bit like I'm not quite in the same 'space' s the application.
Quite the contrary. Not even worth responding to.
> I'd rather have applications that are optimized for my computing situation, right down to the processor and my own built-in OS widget preferences.
I sure as hell hope you are just trolling.
> Xandros doesn't run as root by default.
Is that all you are left with?
It's really not that hard for the sysadmins to run adduser on all the lindows boxes if this bothers them.