I don't get mod points anymore, (and you're replying to a reply to my post in any case) so I'll chime in with a
YES! YES! MOD THE PARENT UP!
I use Mac OS X, Windows 2k and XP, Solaris (I think 9, never checked) and various Linux distributions daily. They all have stupidities that make me bang my head off the wall. Strangely enough, they also all have zealots who claim that whatever stupid behavior drives me nuts has deep-rooted reasoning and is correct on the basis of being correct. It gets tiring to hear it, which is why I drown it out in real life, and pick on it here.
Naturally, I catch Troll and Flamebait mods from the zealous, but I find that just as amusing as the old Catholic tendency to burn anyone who didn't toe the company line.
The back button intermittently works and doesn't work, depending on which browser you use, your browser settings and exactly what you're clicking on.
Worked as expected in every situation I just tested in Firefox, IE, and Safari. I'm not sure what browser settings you reference that control back/forward behavior that apply in this situation, since Gmail no-caches every response anyway. Maybe I'm missing something here.
It is important to draw a distinction, of course: this is an app, and as such the pages in the history that are no longer applicable to app state shouldn't be available to you. If you're talking about seeing those, we have a philosophical difference.
As for the keyboard, try tabbing to an email link and reading it.
It's curious they didn't make that work. I'm building an app that does something similar (lots of selectable lists) and keyboard activation was one of the first things I put in. (if you're curious, I didn't use a link because I activate on the entire table row. I use the single click select/double click activate paradigm. There are also a ton of secondary actions that can be performed.)
I'm still not against Javascript, however, even with these issues. If Gmail were your average blog then these would be grievous problems. Since it's a beta app delivered through a web browser, I'm willing to cut it some slack from the day to day web expectation.
True, I don't find distrupting people to clever, or even particularly funny. Perhaps you can go watch Tom Green reruns and get your fill of that sort of humor.
Let me make sure I have this: I advocate being peaceful and letting people go about their lives, and you advocate disrupting them for a good laugh, and I'm the dick. Interesting perspective.
I also like how you ascribe motivations and various psychological traits to me (quite incorrectly) and all the people involved in this situation (also very likely incorrectly). Is this the greatly increased mental power provided to you via drug use that you spoke of those many moons ago?
I guess you just pointed out why there's choice in the market. There's the tiny minority who think like you and love to go out of their way to get anything done, spending tons of precious time to squeeze that extra 1% out, then there's the slightly bigger but still tiny minority who like having the computer work with them, instead of needing to tell it every little step, and who can handle it when not everything goes exactly as they want it, and then there's the vast majority, who don't care about computing at all and just want eBay and porn.
I did read what you wrote. My response was to inform you that no policy is necessary. Store managers are at a level where decisions can be made. That's what happened here.
I never said anything was trespassing. I don't get why you think getting the cops to move them along was wrong. Perhaps you feel that the rules must all be written down in advance? That's not how it works at all.
Have you actually used Gmail? I ask only because the back button and the keyboard work fine. Those objections make no sense. On the other hand, bookmarking does not work, but it makes sense in so few cases inside Gmail that I never even missed it.
The store is not a public space. It's privately owned and open for customers. They can refuse service to anyone for any reason, barring specially protected classes of discrimination such as race. Their recourse is to call the cops and have the people removed, which is what they did.
Overall, this wasn't funny or clever, just disruptive. Any moron can disrupt people.
I see the 'fud' tag showing up on a lot of stuff. I would like to let the intrepid tagger know that the word does not mean 'I don't like this article.' I know that's hard to understand. It's kind of the same as the fact that the 'Troll' moderation does not mean 'I don't agree.' As such, I don't expect this lesson to stick.
I didn't say a country's actions don't have consequences. That's inferring words that don't exist.
I believe in personal responsibility. I blame people who commit wrong acts for those acts. I don't care what the so-called mitigating circumstances are. It doesn't absolve any responsibility.
I have no interest in fixing blame, because that doesn't fix problems. Feel free to continue somehow believing that people that commit horrific acts are justified because someone else committed a horrific act. That'll lead us all into hell, because that means that retaliation is just as justified.
Obviously the majority Slashdot community agrees with the idea that retaliation is fine. I suspect they only feel this way as long as it's against something successful. Bizarre attitude to me, but I try to hold everyone to the same standard.
I have a feeling this will be interpreted to mean a million things I don't mean at all, but that's the nature of this particular stupidity - people will do anything to rationalize such an irrational belief.
Haha yes, failed foreign policy is to blame for terrorists, women are to blame for being raped, stores are to blame for being robbed. I like it, you can do anything and be guilt-free. Thanks for the awesome one-line philosophy.
The distinction between 'rights' and 'government granted privileges' exists only in the framework of a government, so they effectively become the same thing. Attempting to make the debate into one about semantics doesn't serve anyone.
This isn't an attempt to step on the common Slashdotter belief that everyone has the 'right' to free entertainment. I'd sooner get between a mama bear and her cub.
Lego will continue to market Mindstorms as a niche product line.
I can't imagine why. An expensive toy that appeals to a small percentage of the population should have the full marketing resources of the company behind it. That way, the board meetings can be a lot more exciting while everyone tries to figure out where all the money went.
Wow, your list of 'Mac person' attributes is the stupidest thing I've ever read. I you have a really hard time coming up with reasons why 'arbitrary decision A' was smarter than 'arbitrary decision B.' It's cool, none of the things you mentioned is better than an alternative.
Incidentally, I always figure a 'Mac person' can only do one thing at a time, and slowly. How else to explain the piss poor interactivity Macs offered up until about 2002?
Listen, jerky, I learned as a fact here on Slashdot that Windows sucks and everything else is fantastic and great. The fact that nothing has managed to even come close is only because Bill Gates is the devil. It's a fact.
Military spending is traditionally conservative. I imagine you were being facetious.
If you object to the 'conservative' terminology, take it up with the Republicans. They hijacked it, and now it's toasted. I used to self-identify as a conservative until I realized it just gets incorrect knee-jerk reactions from liberals who couldn't think beyond their own opinions. Now I refuse to identify at all, I simply believe what I believe.
Good thing you posted, no one here would have come to that conclusion at all.
It's kind of funny, really, people on Slashdot accusing other people of being lemmings. The groupthink here is so pervasively thick it can be spotted from orbit.
I like how the 'stupid' tag gets applied to anything traditionally conservative. It's nice to see such strong bias on site where people often bitch about media bias. I guess anything is okay as long as it aligns with your opinions.
Not trying to say anti-satellite lasers are a good idea, or a bad idea. I make no judgement, because I have no military expertise.
Thank god we'll have you to set the upper limit on what people can make. That'll keep everyone happy, because no one will ever have done more than anyone else. It'll be utopia. Oh, sweet utopia. Bring it, please, extra fast.
If only you were in charge of setting prices on everything, we could replicate the centrally controlled bliss that was the Soviet Union. Alas, this society is capitalist, and people make profits. For shame, really. No one should be rewarded more than a reasonably decided forcefully imposed amount.
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I don't get mod points anymore, (and you're replying to a reply to my post in any case) so I'll chime in with a
YES! YES! MOD THE PARENT UP!
I use Mac OS X, Windows 2k and XP, Solaris (I think 9, never checked) and various Linux distributions daily. They all have stupidities that make me bang my head off the wall. Strangely enough, they also all have zealots who claim that whatever stupid behavior drives me nuts has deep-rooted reasoning and is correct on the basis of being correct. It gets tiring to hear it, which is why I drown it out in real life, and pick on it here.
Naturally, I catch Troll and Flamebait mods from the zealous, but I find that just as amusing as the old Catholic tendency to burn anyone who didn't toe the company line.
The back button intermittently works and doesn't work, depending on which browser you use, your browser settings and exactly what you're clicking on.
Worked as expected in every situation I just tested in Firefox, IE, and Safari. I'm not sure what browser settings you reference that control back/forward behavior that apply in this situation, since Gmail no-caches every response anyway. Maybe I'm missing something here.
It is important to draw a distinction, of course: this is an app, and as such the pages in the history that are no longer applicable to app state shouldn't be available to you. If you're talking about seeing those, we have a philosophical difference.
As for the keyboard, try tabbing to an email link and reading it.
It's curious they didn't make that work. I'm building an app that does something similar (lots of selectable lists) and keyboard activation was one of the first things I put in. (if you're curious, I didn't use a link because I activate on the entire table row. I use the single click select/double click activate paradigm. There are also a ton of secondary actions that can be performed.)
I'm still not against Javascript, however, even with these issues. If Gmail were your average blog then these would be grievous problems. Since it's a beta app delivered through a web browser, I'm willing to cut it some slack from the day to day web expectation.
True, I don't find distrupting people to clever, or even particularly funny. Perhaps you can go watch Tom Green reruns and get your fill of that sort of humor.
Let me make sure I have this: I advocate being peaceful and letting people go about their lives, and you advocate disrupting them for a good laugh, and I'm the dick. Interesting perspective.
I also like how you ascribe motivations and various psychological traits to me (quite incorrectly) and all the people involved in this situation (also very likely incorrectly). Is this the greatly increased mental power provided to you via drug use that you spoke of those many moons ago?
I guess you just pointed out why there's choice in the market. There's the tiny minority who think like you and love to go out of their way to get anything done, spending tons of precious time to squeeze that extra 1% out, then there's the slightly bigger but still tiny minority who like having the computer work with them, instead of needing to tell it every little step, and who can handle it when not everything goes exactly as they want it, and then there's the vast majority, who don't care about computing at all and just want eBay and porn.
Anyone asserting Kirk is better than Picard will be shaven, sterilized, and destroyed. For shame!
I did read what you wrote. My response was to inform you that no policy is necessary. Store managers are at a level where decisions can be made. That's what happened here.
I never said anything was trespassing. I don't get why you think getting the cops to move them along was wrong. Perhaps you feel that the rules must all be written down in advance? That's not how it works at all.
No one ever went broke ignoring 1% of the target market.
Have you actually used Gmail? I ask only because the back button and the keyboard work fine. Those objections make no sense. On the other hand, bookmarking does not work, but it makes sense in so few cases inside Gmail that I never even missed it.
The store is not a public space. It's privately owned and open for customers. They can refuse service to anyone for any reason, barring specially protected classes of discrimination such as race. Their recourse is to call the cops and have the people removed, which is what they did.
Overall, this wasn't funny or clever, just disruptive. Any moron can disrupt people.
It's only a ripoff if you don't drive the car through the front window of the nearest Walmart.
He could also just have the user mail the comment in using the postal system, but that is also not slick.
I see the 'fud' tag showing up on a lot of stuff. I would like to let the intrepid tagger know that the word does not mean 'I don't like this article.' I know that's hard to understand. It's kind of the same as the fact that the 'Troll' moderation does not mean 'I don't agree.' As such, I don't expect this lesson to stick.
Please mod me down.
I didn't say a country's actions don't have consequences. That's inferring words that don't exist.
I believe in personal responsibility. I blame people who commit wrong acts for those acts. I don't care what the so-called mitigating circumstances are. It doesn't absolve any responsibility.
I have no interest in fixing blame, because that doesn't fix problems. Feel free to continue somehow believing that people that commit horrific acts are justified because someone else committed a horrific act. That'll lead us all into hell, because that means that retaliation is just as justified.
Obviously the majority Slashdot community agrees with the idea that retaliation is fine. I suspect they only feel this way as long as it's against something successful. Bizarre attitude to me, but I try to hold everyone to the same standard.
I have a feeling this will be interpreted to mean a million things I don't mean at all, but that's the nature of this particular stupidity - people will do anything to rationalize such an irrational belief.
Haha yes, failed foreign policy is to blame for terrorists, women are to blame for being raped, stores are to blame for being robbed. I like it, you can do anything and be guilt-free. Thanks for the awesome one-line philosophy.
The distinction between 'rights' and 'government granted privileges' exists only in the framework of a government, so they effectively become the same thing. Attempting to make the debate into one about semantics doesn't serve anyone.
This isn't an attempt to step on the common Slashdotter belief that everyone has the 'right' to free entertainment. I'd sooner get between a mama bear and her cub.
Lego will continue to market Mindstorms as a niche product line.
I can't imagine why. An expensive toy that appeals to a small percentage of the population should have the full marketing resources of the company behind it. That way, the board meetings can be a lot more exciting while everyone tries to figure out where all the money went.
Wow, your list of 'Mac person' attributes is the stupidest thing I've ever read. I you have a really hard time coming up with reasons why 'arbitrary decision A' was smarter than 'arbitrary decision B.' It's cool, none of the things you mentioned is better than an alternative.
Incidentally, I always figure a 'Mac person' can only do one thing at a time, and slowly. How else to explain the piss poor interactivity Macs offered up until about 2002?
Listen, jerky, I learned as a fact here on Slashdot that Windows sucks and everything else is fantastic and great. The fact that nothing has managed to even come close is only because Bill Gates is the devil. It's a fact.
Bullshit. Some people are broken. That's how it goes. Ttoo bad, so sad, put your organic material back in the hopper and check out, please.
Military spending is traditionally conservative. I imagine you were being facetious.
If you object to the 'conservative' terminology, take it up with the Republicans. They hijacked it, and now it's toasted. I used to self-identify as a conservative until I realized it just gets incorrect knee-jerk reactions from liberals who couldn't think beyond their own opinions. Now I refuse to identify at all, I simply believe what I believe.
Good thing you posted, no one here would have come to that conclusion at all.
It's kind of funny, really, people on Slashdot accusing other people of being lemmings. The groupthink here is so pervasively thick it can be spotted from orbit.
I like how the 'stupid' tag gets applied to anything traditionally conservative. It's nice to see such strong bias on site where people often bitch about media bias. I guess anything is okay as long as it aligns with your opinions.
Not trying to say anti-satellite lasers are a good idea, or a bad idea. I make no judgement, because I have no military expertise.
Yeah, that attitude and a buck fifty will get me a Washington Post
Thank god we'll have you to set the upper limit on what people can make. That'll keep everyone happy, because no one will ever have done more than anyone else. It'll be utopia. Oh, sweet utopia. Bring it, please, extra fast.
If only you were in charge of setting prices on everything, we could replicate the centrally controlled bliss that was the Soviet Union. Alas, this society is capitalist, and people make profits. For shame, really. No one should be rewarded more than a reasonably decided forcefully imposed amount.