"IBM and most other industry leaders do not indemnify for open source code," IBM managers wrote in an internal memo, "The typical approach to indemnity, and apparently HP's approach as outlined in the press, we believe runs fundamentally counter to the Linux value proposition."
They basically say that the HP indemnity is crap, being as restrictive as it is. And they aren't offering you any indemnity.
I just had a vision of darl mcbride, staring at his browser in consternation while saying "what the fuck you mean 'In soviet russia, IBM sues YOU!'?!?". LOL:D
Heh! This will put a dent on SCO's mad stock pump-o-matic.
Now, with IBM by our side, I think the GPL is going to get cast in concrete, and a good part of the doubt and FUD will be neutralized. PHB's will see something worthy of IBM's backing.
Now, I await with bated breath... what unvelievable crap will issue forth from Dear Darl's anus to *try* and neutralize this.
Whoa there, hold your horses. I'm not defending reloaded. There aren't enough computers in the world than can render special FX that make Reeves look like acting. Plus all the fight scenes where like 10 minutes too long (on 11 minute seqs:).
But *BOTH* movies are HORRIBLY LAME. "Nowhere near as lame" is too much. They both suck big fat sweaty monkey balls (faeries in your blood, indeed).
Oracle ships three JVMs on the *same platform*. As in, Oracle on Windows includes three different ones and they are all installed in different places.
Oh that. That's because Oracle products are certified for a certain java version. Seems like modules are certified for different versions. So, if they certified for java 1.1.8 for some things, and java 1.3.1 for others, there's no way they can assure you that it will run as intended unless you have the certified versions. It's like including libraries. (I had some problems when moving to Oracle OC4J because of the jvm versions and using a newer JVM).
If Java were portable, you'd expect that one JVM would suffice.
If you insist in using old versions of software because they work (wich is, I guess, why oracle still uses that instead of redoing all the stuff with the newer APIs), you should provide the old-software working environment (be it libraries or JVMs) or expect it to behave in strange and un-funny ways. Oracle does NOT want your Oracle products to behave like, say, M$ products:)
Besides, the "one JVM" is still a non-argument. Backwards compatibility and portability are different issues.
A voice of reason. It is refreshing to see a diffrent viewpoint in this time of Java craze. In my own experience (and I work for a web development house) you can cut down time of development by factor 5-10 using a weakly typed scripting language such as PHP.
And then you are transferred to a different project, and you are faced with PHP that isn't yours and does non-trivial tasks, and your task is to fix it and extend it's features. Still like PHP much? I surely don't, after that experience:s
Portability? Oracle ships with three different JVMs because they are all incompatible with each other. That's all you need to know about Java portability.
What does different JVMs have to do with portability? It's like arguing that GCC sanity checks say that C is not portable ("oooh, it says my compiler is not the same one used for compiling my kernel! Who said C is portable? I need DIFFERENT COMPILERS, oh my"). Or you really expect portability to mean the same BINARY EXECUTABLE runs on every platform? (in java your.class files are portable, your JVM is *not*. The jvm must be platform-specific.)
Because M$ is doing it at APPLICATION LEVEL. If you use a browser other than IE, you don't see that shit. Hell, you can even turn it off within IE. With this verisign crap, you go that sitefinder crap regardless of what program you are using. I like my mozilla "Host not found" errors, thank you very much.
Well, I worked at a project with no hardcoded SQL. It was a bitch. It happened because the client would NOT provide ODBC link to the DB. Therefore, we needed a middle server that got "request for X service with Y parameters", looked up in it's own service table what query that was, made it to the DB server, and returned the results in XML.
The biggest drawback is the fact that the queries are stored in varchar fields in a table. All the queries used by the system (a nationwide chain of gas station managers). So, when you where inserting or modifying a service, you where doing things like "insert into services values... 'select blah from blah where blah=''... " and you had to start escaping characters like mad. And a missescaped quote would leave LIVE SQL in the SQL command... I saw a case where somebody had a bad escaped ", so the "where" clause was included into the string... he wiped out ALL the functions:o
Ok, that's gross exageration. But seriously, isn't it a little bit unfair to saddle the users with the problems of the Internet providers? (lazy admins, poor ISPs, unsecure SW vendors).
It's kinda like requiring a rally-enduro driving course for a driver's license instead of patching the potholes.
One of the expectations mentioned is that you must know how to set up a firewall.
Uh, yeah! Sure! I think whoever had that expectation is smoking some really good weed - SCO good, if you dig. Whoever came with that idea never tried to explain what is a firewall to his mother.
Put the responsibility for viruses where it belongs, on the network admins and software vendors, not the newbies.
Right on! Newbies should not bear the burden caused by sheer idiocy of faulty software vendors and poor administrators.
"ooh, I don't know... I don't have any HD space left..."
"Well, how about you give this (K|G)noppix CD a spin and see if you like it?"
And if you really like it... you can install it on you hard disk! I still don't know how to get a configured and up-to-date debian system running faster (that is, short of running a debian apt mirror yourself:D)
...how does one justify spending that much in a Graphics Card when a "gaming" one gives almost the same performance at 1/6 the price?
Years ago, the optimizations where noticeable and a workstation card was worth it. With these days of insane GPUs and cards (I think my system memory is actually slower than my video card memory!) the optimizations don't look that impressive, and sure as hell aren't worth 6x more.
Well, Gates deserves it. Nobody ever said anything about Microsoft buying small goverments and locking whole countries into their scam. Now, faced with people who know better AND can't be bought, he whines like a 2 year old.
Yes, my country (Chile) was bought by microsoft, with a "generous" donation of software and money. And to think the government is socialist and tries to be not on big money's side... pha!
Then again, I'd say one out of three copies of windows here are legal.:)
Slashdot Mirror
...or it's slashdotted.
They basically say that the HP indemnity is crap, being as restrictive as it is. And they aren't offering you any indemnity.
(a little bit more on this here.)
I just had a vision of darl mcbride, staring at his browser in consternation while saying "what the fuck you mean 'In soviet russia, IBM sues YOU!'?!?". LOL :D
Heh! This will put a dent on SCO's mad stock pump-o-matic.
Now, with IBM by our side, I think the GPL is going to get cast in concrete, and a good part of the doubt and FUD will be neutralized. PHB's will see something worthy of IBM's backing.
Now, I await with bated breath... what unvelievable crap will issue forth from Dear Darl's anus to *try* and neutralize this.
I rest mine.
Whoa there, hold your horses. I'm not defending reloaded. There aren't enough computers in the world than can render special FX that make Reeves look like acting. Plus all the fight scenes where like 10 minutes too long (on 11 minute seqs :).
But *BOTH* movies are HORRIBLY LAME. "Nowhere near as lame" is too much. They both suck big fat sweaty monkey balls (faeries in your blood, indeed).
Oh really?
JAR JAR BINKS
I rest my case.
Well, yeah. On reflection it looks like the clueless wasn't the user.
Hmmm, I wonder how much damage to the RIAA could be made by scrambling IP adresses in ISP logs...
Serves them right, those RIAA bastards. They weren't counting on our secret weapon - the clueless user!
Oh that. That's because Oracle products are certified for a certain java version. Seems like modules are certified for different versions. So, if they certified for java 1.1.8 for some things, and java 1.3.1 for others, there's no way they can assure you that it will run as intended unless you have the certified versions. It's like including libraries. (I had some problems when moving to Oracle OC4J because of the jvm versions and using a newer JVM).
If Java were portable, you'd expect that one JVM would suffice.
If you insist in using old versions of software because they work (wich is, I guess, why oracle still uses that instead of redoing all the stuff with the newer APIs), you should provide the old-software working environment (be it libraries or JVMs) or expect it to behave in strange and un-funny ways. Oracle does NOT want your Oracle products to behave like, say, M$ products :)
Besides, the "one JVM" is still a non-argument. Backwards compatibility and portability are different issues.
And then you are transferred to a different project, and you are faced with PHP that isn't yours and does non-trivial tasks, and your task is to fix it and extend it's features. Still like PHP much? I surely don't, after that experience :s
What does different JVMs have to do with portability? It's like arguing that GCC sanity checks say that C is not portable ("oooh, it says my compiler is not the same one used for compiling my kernel! Who said C is portable? I need DIFFERENT COMPILERS, oh my"). Or you really expect portability to mean the same BINARY EXECUTABLE runs on every platform? (in java your .class files are portable, your JVM is *not*. The jvm must be platform-specific.)
Because M$ is doing it at APPLICATION LEVEL. If you use a browser other than IE, you don't see that shit. Hell, you can even turn it off within IE. With this verisign crap, you go that sitefinder crap regardless of what program you are using. I like my mozilla "Host not found" errors, thank you very much.
Well, I worked at a project with no hardcoded SQL. It was a bitch. It happened because the client would NOT provide ODBC link to the DB. Therefore, we needed a middle server that got "request for X service with Y parameters", looked up in it's own service table what query that was, made it to the DB server, and returned the results in XML.
The biggest drawback is the fact that the queries are stored in varchar fields in a table. All the queries used by the system (a nationwide chain of gas station managers). So, when you where inserting or modifying a service, you where doing things like "insert into services values ... 'select blah from blah where blah=''... " and you had to start escaping characters like mad. And a missescaped quote would leave LIVE SQL in the SQL command... I saw a case where somebody had a bad escaped ", so the "where" clause was included into the string... he wiped out ALL the functions :o
Bah, check your history books. It has happened already! (in Soviet Russia, of course ;)
Yes, but this is at application level. What verisign is doing is BREAKING the PROTOCOL to saddle us with their search page.
Now, for some advertising at infrastructure level :(
Move to Ireland. Last time I heard, they are giving tax cuts like crazy to tech firms, to attract people like you :)
DISCLAIMER: Of course, as always, I might be full of shit ;). That's my last info, and I don't know if it has changed.
license to use the phone?
license to use the snail mail?
license to speak?
Ok, that's gross exageration. But seriously, isn't it a little bit unfair to saddle the users with the problems of the Internet providers? (lazy admins, poor ISPs, unsecure SW vendors).
It's kinda like requiring a rally-enduro driving course for a driver's license instead of patching the potholes.
Uh, yeah! Sure! I think whoever had that expectation is smoking some really good weed - SCO good, if you dig. Whoever came with that idea never tried to explain what is a firewall to his mother.
Put the responsibility for viruses where it belongs, on the network admins and software vendors, not the newbies.
Right on! Newbies should not bear the burden caused by sheer idiocy of faulty software vendors and poor administrators.
Damn! There I was, putting my finishing touches on my "+5 insightful" comment and BAM! the discussion is ended!
oh well... there'll be other threads...
naaah... the WORST of all the "anything" things is the "anything.net". GAAAAAAAAAAAH!
If it's mounted on a pike and dripping, I'm all for it!
Did that in high school. Wasn't as cool as it was hyped to be.
Now, slicing open *a whole rat*, now that's entertainment!
How about "switch to linux"?
"ooh, I don't know... I don't have any HD space left..."
"Well, how about you give this (K|G)noppix CD a spin and see if you like it?"
And if you really like it... you can install it on you hard disk! I still don't know how to get a configured and up-to-date debian system running faster (that is, short of running a debian apt mirror yourself :D)
...how does one justify spending that much in a Graphics Card when a "gaming" one gives almost the same performance at 1/6 the price?
Years ago, the optimizations where noticeable and a workstation card was worth it. With these days of insane GPUs and cards (I think my system memory is actually slower than my video card memory!) the optimizations don't look that impressive, and sure as hell aren't worth 6x more.
Well, Gates deserves it. Nobody ever said anything about Microsoft buying small goverments and locking whole countries into their scam. Now, faced with people who know better AND can't be bought, he whines like a 2 year old.
Yes, my country (Chile) was bought by microsoft, with a "generous" donation of software and money. And to think the government is socialist and tries to be not on big money's side... pha!
Then again, I'd say one out of three copies of windows here are legal. :)