Basically I am saying the only reason it is done is to limit what the user can do so they can make more money of them.
Basically, the reason companies make products is so they can make money off them. There's a fucking a shocker. Have you ever seen what home builders charge for add-ons or how much extras on cars cost? Apple is not exactly doing anything new here. The problem with this crowd and iDevices is that they want to treat them like normal computers. They're not. Anyone tried upgrading the memory in their second generation Kindle? Even Google's Nexus S doesn't have expandable memory.
And I'll name one advantage: aesthetics. Some people, Lord Jobs in particular, DO care about that. It doesn't mean you have to. It doesn't mean it's objectively important. But it is a reason.
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The main reason there is no expandable memory is that: a) Steve Job's obsessively hates slots and buttons, and is more than willing to sacrifice function to get form.
b) If you can slide in your own 8GB SD card for $50, why would you pay hundreds of dollars extra for one with extra memory?
Yep. Those are the two most likely reasons. Charging $40 for a video dongle is ridiculous and $40 for their magic cover is equally ridiculous.
But so what? I don't get the weeping and wailing and gnashing of teeth caused by Apple releases. If those prices are too high or you don't like their marketing practices or the devices don't do what you need them to do then DO NOT BUY THEM. If someone else is perfectly happy to pay said prices for said items and they do not care about expandable memory and don't have any idea about Steve Jobs' personal taste then who the fuck cares?
No one needs to own an Apple device. No one is forced to own an Apple device. No one is entitled to own an Apple device.
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And? The lack of multitasking WAS a deal-breaker for me and so I didn't get the device. I don't see how how that does anything but validate the parent's point. I don't care WHY Apple omits things since it's totally irrelevant. What I care about is whether a device meets MY needs.
The problem with Apple products is the vast quantity of asshats around here that really DO want the product "except..." and find themselves personally offended that Steve Jobs doesn't do anything to meet their needs and feel that Apple somehow owes it to people to deliver products they want in a manner they want at a price that they want. Which, clearly, they're doing for enough people that their bank accounts continue to get fatter.
*rolls eyes* Just because YOU think an optical drive is an "important extra" doesn't mean it is to everyone. I was hoping Apple would do away with those across the pro line and replace it with something that's ACTUALLY an important extra like additional mass storage or, I don't know, more battery. I don't even care.
For the once a month (if that) that I use my optical drive I can just use an external and use that space for something that matters on a day to day basis (like... more battery).
On top of that, Light Peak is gonna mean that doesn't really matter anymore. Ethernet? USB? Firewire? Display? eSATA? It'll all go through Light Peak at some point. I figure about the time we see a bump to the 100Gbps optical variant, that's gonna be the end for most of the other ports on Macs.
This is a venture with Intel—and they're not the only two companies involved. Light Peak isn't going to be Apple specific for very long and it's as "proprietary" as USB.
This is all about "1 port to rule them all" and, for the life of me, I cannot figure out why anyone would have a problem with that. I'd like to have 6 ports on my laptop that could be hooked up to ANYTHING without compromise. Suddenly I can hook up a couple more monitors to my laptop or use a high speed external drive or whatever. Or even better, have a hub where, when I put my laptop down at the desk I connect ONE port and all is right in the world.
It's got Light Peak on it (or Thunderbolt) so that's mostly irrelevant. eSATA, USB3, Firewire 1600 or whatever can all be hooked up through Thunderbolt which is really what makes this release interesting.
There are always tradeoffs in the mobile world. Quad core processors use more power, period.
One of these days hardware Nazis will get it that MOST users would rather have more battery life than a quad core processor. MOST users will take more battery life over powerful graphics. Why is this such a difficult concept to grasp?
For people to be truly "color blind" and "gender neutral" they CANNOT give race or gender specific perks EVER. Ironically, the very racism and sexism they purport to fight against they breed instead. It's ridiculous.
I hate quotas like that. If there's truly no difference between an Asian and a Hispanic or a man and a woman that we shouldn't even be taking statistics on those things. So long as we continue to categorize ourselves as such we'll continue to identify those things as meaningful differences in contexts where those differences ARE NOT meaningful.
Look, I don't care if women are more involved in programming, IT or whatever. I never discourage any that I know from entering the field or any that I work with. My mother-in-law was, in fact, an old school assembly and punch card type programmer for IBM and still works in management there. It's cool. I think it's great.
However, there is no great wall keeping women out of IT or out of Wikipedia for that matter. Why the fuck should we try to entice people to do something they're clearly not interested in? I'm so sick of articles about trying to get women more involved. There's no movement to get more women into construction and I don't see a whole lot of women working as auto mechanics. Who the fuck cares?
The W3C and the speed at which standards are adopted blows, it's that simple. The process is so obnoxiously democratic and bureaucratic to make sure it's equal and open and free and independent and whatever that nothing actually gets done in a manner resembling timely.
Technology and the web are moving much, much faster than that.
"Apple, Google, Opera, and Mozilla. They are deciding the actual fate of HTML, not a truly independent standards process."
So... the companies that are actually developing the browsers are making the decisions and not some asshole academic somewhere with an opinion? You also forgot Microsoft, they make a pretty popular browser too, or so I hear. Oh yes, and it's still very open and democratic in the sense the developers are still very much driving what happens. If developers do not embrace and/or demand some feature, its adoption—either by a standards board or a browser maker—is irrelevant.
The web and the evolution of HTML and other web technologies is simply moving too quickly and is too organic of a process for some slow standards board to put put their seal of approval on things after 10 years of debating over minutia.
I actually REALLY liked the second one but, even as I left the theater I said, "Well, what I ultimately think about this movie will depend on what they do with the next one..."
And the 3rd retroactive mangled the 2nd. I didn't like where they took the story and I thought the whole thing was incredibly pretentious.
"Yes, Heaven forbid people know anything about their cars. Less knowledge! Thats what drives society forward!"
I hate to break this to every obnoxiously arrogant jackass on this site that thinks because they know how to fix their car or their radio or whatever else that they are somehow some elevated and enlightened individual that can look down their noses at others but here's a fucking news flash: there are tons of interesting and important subjects, disciplines and things that most people—even intelligent and well educated people—don't give two shits about and never want to have to deal with. Not ever.
For instance, I'll bet there are plenty of trauma surgeons out there that didn't know your fun fact. I bet people who have won Nobel prizes didn't know that. I bet if they found out they wouldn't be even slightly inclined to take a course on fucking auto repair.
I use a Mac and the computer isn't any more dumbed down than Windows or even some variants of Linux (which is what I used three years prior to switching to a Mac). It's certainly easier to use and more trouble free. However, it doesn't limit me in any way I care about. (Besides, it's like saying a manual transmission is "dumbed down" rather than "easier to use with less control, but since I use my car for commuting and not for racing the ease of use is more important than the performance.")
Mac discussions always bring out the most retarded this site has to offer (except for maybe global warming and/or anything about Republicans).
"Sure its 'liberating', but so is 'finding god'. What you call liberation, I call enslavement."
Seriously? This is what I'm talking about. Somehow someone being pleased with the ease of use of a computer has become akin to "enslavement." It was also, apparently, a fine opportunity to tie in your own religious spite at the same time, which of course is totally necessary in a discussion about a rumor about Apple incorporating a new I/O bus. That always makes me wax religious.
Some people want their stuff to just work. It doesn't make them stupid or ignorant or inferior or less enlightened. It doesn't even mean their somehow universally opposed to learning. I mean, come the fuck on, people have their disciplines and their interests. You sound like you'd be some asshole who'd get on a guy's case because he always ate out because he didn't care about learning to cook. There's nothing wrong with that. Do you get one people's cases for seeing doctors because they aren't experts on health? Do you hate power tools because people should learn how to properly use hand tools?
What the fuck is wrong with you people? Easier to use != dumbed down. Dumbed down != bad.
You know what's cool? Having spent enough time caring about computers, hardware and software to get a job that pays well enough that I really don't need to give a shit about buying some cheap ass Dell or HP laptop instead of a MacBook.
Barring that I know precisely what hardware is in my MacBook Pro. I know that Apple hardware is more expensive. I also know that my time is even more precious and expensive. So, having a computer that pretty much never fails and requires basically no tinkering is awesome. I'm at a point in my life where things like processor MHz mean far less to me than say a trackpad (something I use ALL THE TIME) that is very functional or extended battery life. These kinds of details are where Apple reigns supreme.
My MacBook still has a Core 2 Duo and on forums full of the nitwits who measure their penis by their i7, there is much weeping and wailing and gnashing of teeth. In fact, they tell me they could get a Dell with an i7 for $300 or something. Whatever. I don't care. That laptop would be a plastic piece of shit with a terrible track pad that's twice as thick with half the battery life of the machine I'm running.
This computer is a tool that meets my need and does it better and more enjoyably than any other machines I've used. I fucking hate Windows (7 included) and Linux was always more work than I wanted to put into it (and ran it exclusively for 3 years before switching to a Mac).
(Incidentally, I don't know shit about cars. However, since I'm not a moron finding an honest mechanic in a day and age where shopping around and internet reviews are easy to come by is not exactly rocket science.)
We're running two of the mini servers at our office right now. These things are fantastic small business machines. eSATA is about the only thing they're lacking that I want. Easy to manage, easy to back up, easy to... everything. I even converted one of our old Windows servers to run as a VM on one of the Minis and thus far it's been great.
I hope that's where their strategy is: small business. I guess we'll see when they release Lion. If there's no server variant... oops.
They liked it when it came out... but with age smugness set in and it became cool to hate the things they used to love.
(I saw RotJ 7 days in a row when it was in the theaters originally. It was my favorite. It is my favorite. Mind you, I was 3 when it came out in '83 but still, I love it to this day.)
Yeah... and IE 9 won't run on XP. It pains my soul.
Frankly, I've just stopped doing testing for IE 6. I was so happy when YouTube and Facebook both depreciated it so I could put warnings up on sites (a dump IE 6 page more or less) and I could say, "See, the cool kids are doing it too!"
IE 7 is dreadful too, but at least it supports all the CSS selectors.
Ugh. I have to go lay down now. I just had more IE 6 flashbacks.
When you boil it down, for most people it's just jealousy. I hate to sound like a smug asshole, but I'm at a loss for what else it is.
When Microsoft does something like a typical douche or even something geeks just don't like you get a very simple "M$ sucks" thread. When Apple does something geeks don't like... the reaction is very different. There's this weird mixture of entitlement, hurt and, "But Apple, I weewy, weewy wuv Macs! How can you do this to me!?" (Oh, and there's the crowd that's always hated Apple and Macs, but every platform has haters.)
Apple makes cool shit and geeks want it but often their business model is anti-geek. (Which, makes sense since targeting geeks is never going to pad your bank account with $50,000,000,000.00 in cash reserves.)
Until there comes a day that I have no other choices in platforms, I'm not gonna freak out about what Apple does. Frankly, I don't much care what MS does anymore because there are viable choices. My only real remaining hatred for MS is Internet Explorer, a product that sucks on virtually every level and has held back web development for at least 7 years.
In my haste to refer to this crowd as a bunch of "[paranoid] fucking dweebs" I lost my opportunity to mod up posts like this. I thank you sir for not being a delusional apocalyptic moron. All the exaggerated gloom and doom on this thread makes me feel like I'm at a Pentecostal church.
And behold, I opened the third seal and there stood the Great and Terrible Jobs who unleashed his App Store upon the masses and all the world's computers were closed forever.
And those people will still be able to use the same tried and true distribution methods. I seriously doubt MS Office is going to be released through the App Store. Adobe's shit isn't going to be. Steam is already on the Mac and will fill a similar role.
I don't think I have EVER seen such a fucking mountain made out of a mole hill in my entire life.
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Basically I am saying the only reason it is done is to limit what the user can do so they can make more money of them.
Basically, the reason companies make products is so they can make money off them. There's a fucking a shocker. Have you ever seen what home builders charge for add-ons or how much extras on cars cost? Apple is not exactly doing anything new here. The problem with this crowd and iDevices is that they want to treat them like normal computers. They're not. Anyone tried upgrading the memory in their second generation Kindle? Even Google's Nexus S doesn't have expandable memory.
And I'll name one advantage: aesthetics. Some people, Lord Jobs in particular, DO care about that. It doesn't mean you have to. It doesn't mean it's objectively important. But it is a reason.
The main reason there is no expandable memory is that:
a) Steve Job's obsessively hates slots and buttons, and is more than willing to sacrifice function to get form.
b) If you can slide in your own 8GB SD card for $50, why would you pay hundreds of dollars extra for one with extra memory?
Yep. Those are the two most likely reasons. Charging $40 for a video dongle is ridiculous and $40 for their magic cover is equally ridiculous.
But so what? I don't get the weeping and wailing and gnashing of teeth caused by Apple releases. If those prices are too high or you don't like their marketing practices or the devices don't do what you need them to do then DO NOT BUY THEM. If someone else is perfectly happy to pay said prices for said items and they do not care about expandable memory and don't have any idea about Steve Jobs' personal taste then who the fuck cares?
No one needs to own an Apple device. No one is forced to own an Apple device. No one is entitled to own an Apple device.
And? The lack of multitasking WAS a deal-breaker for me and so I didn't get the device. I don't see how how that does anything but validate the parent's point. I don't care WHY Apple omits things since it's totally irrelevant. What I care about is whether a device meets MY needs.
The problem with Apple products is the vast quantity of asshats around here that really DO want the product "except..." and find themselves personally offended that Steve Jobs doesn't do anything to meet their needs and feel that Apple somehow owes it to people to deliver products they want in a manner they want at a price that they want. Which, clearly, they're doing for enough people that their bank accounts continue to get fatter.
*rolls eyes* Just because YOU think an optical drive is an "important extra" doesn't mean it is to everyone. I was hoping Apple would do away with those across the pro line and replace it with something that's ACTUALLY an important extra like additional mass storage or, I don't know, more battery. I don't even care.
For the once a month (if that) that I use my optical drive I can just use an external and use that space for something that matters on a day to day basis (like... more battery).
On top of that, Light Peak is gonna mean that doesn't really matter anymore. Ethernet? USB? Firewire? Display? eSATA? It'll all go through Light Peak at some point. I figure about the time we see a bump to the 100Gbps optical variant, that's gonna be the end for most of the other ports on Macs.
This is a venture with Intel—and they're not the only two companies involved. Light Peak isn't going to be Apple specific for very long and it's as "proprietary" as USB.
This is all about "1 port to rule them all" and, for the life of me, I cannot figure out why anyone would have a problem with that. I'd like to have 6 ports on my laptop that could be hooked up to ANYTHING without compromise. Suddenly I can hook up a couple more monitors to my laptop or use a high speed external drive or whatever. Or even better, have a hub where, when I put my laptop down at the desk I connect ONE port and all is right in the world.
It's got Light Peak on it (or Thunderbolt) so that's mostly irrelevant. eSATA, USB3, Firewire 1600 or whatever can all be hooked up through Thunderbolt which is really what makes this release interesting.
There are always tradeoffs in the mobile world. Quad core processors use more power, period.
One of these days hardware Nazis will get it that MOST users would rather have more battery life than a quad core processor. MOST users will take more battery life over powerful graphics. Why is this such a difficult concept to grasp?
Profanity is a way of life for me. I love seeing profane comments in code—especially when they are someone else's AND relevant.
Clean and professional might be fine for you, but for fucking assholes like myself, it's fucking boring.
(My commits aren't any better.)
He's a Mormon too, so yeah.
For people to be truly "color blind" and "gender neutral" they CANNOT give race or gender specific perks EVER. Ironically, the very racism and sexism they purport to fight against they breed instead. It's ridiculous.
I hate quotas like that. If there's truly no difference between an Asian and a Hispanic or a man and a woman that we shouldn't even be taking statistics on those things. So long as we continue to categorize ourselves as such we'll continue to identify those things as meaningful differences in contexts where those differences ARE NOT meaningful.
Look, I don't care if women are more involved in programming, IT or whatever. I never discourage any that I know from entering the field or any that I work with. My mother-in-law was, in fact, an old school assembly and punch card type programmer for IBM and still works in management there. It's cool. I think it's great.
However, there is no great wall keeping women out of IT or out of Wikipedia for that matter. Why the fuck should we try to entice people to do something they're clearly not interested in? I'm so sick of articles about trying to get women more involved. There's no movement to get more women into construction and I don't see a whole lot of women working as auto mechanics. Who the fuck cares?
The W3C and the speed at which standards are adopted blows, it's that simple. The process is so obnoxiously democratic and bureaucratic to make sure it's equal and open and free and independent and whatever that nothing actually gets done in a manner resembling timely.
Technology and the web are moving much, much faster than that.
"Apple, Google, Opera, and Mozilla. They are deciding the actual fate of HTML, not a truly independent standards process."
So... the companies that are actually developing the browsers are making the decisions and not some asshole academic somewhere with an opinion? You also forgot Microsoft, they make a pretty popular browser too, or so I hear. Oh yes, and it's still very open and democratic in the sense the developers are still very much driving what happens. If developers do not embrace and/or demand some feature, its adoption—either by a standards board or a browser maker—is irrelevant.
The web and the evolution of HTML and other web technologies is simply moving too quickly and is too organic of a process for some slow standards board to put put their seal of approval on things after 10 years of debating over minutia.
I actually REALLY liked the second one but, even as I left the theater I said, "Well, what I ultimately think about this movie will depend on what they do with the next one..."
And the 3rd retroactive mangled the 2nd. I didn't like where they took the story and I thought the whole thing was incredibly pretentious.
I have the latest version of Chrome and this is a problem. Any chance you're on a Mac though? (I haven't tested this on the PC.)
"Yes, Heaven forbid people know anything about their cars. Less knowledge! Thats what drives society forward!"
I hate to break this to every obnoxiously arrogant jackass on this site that thinks because they know how to fix their car or their radio or whatever else that they are somehow some elevated and enlightened individual that can look down their noses at others but here's a fucking news flash: there are tons of interesting and important subjects, disciplines and things that most people—even intelligent and well educated people—don't give two shits about and never want to have to deal with. Not ever.
For instance, I'll bet there are plenty of trauma surgeons out there that didn't know your fun fact. I bet people who have won Nobel prizes didn't know that. I bet if they found out they wouldn't be even slightly inclined to take a course on fucking auto repair.
I use a Mac and the computer isn't any more dumbed down than Windows or even some variants of Linux (which is what I used three years prior to switching to a Mac). It's certainly easier to use and more trouble free. However, it doesn't limit me in any way I care about. (Besides, it's like saying a manual transmission is "dumbed down" rather than "easier to use with less control, but since I use my car for commuting and not for racing the ease of use is more important than the performance.")
Mac discussions always bring out the most retarded this site has to offer (except for maybe global warming and/or anything about Republicans).
"Sure its 'liberating', but so is 'finding god'. What you call liberation, I call enslavement."
Seriously? This is what I'm talking about. Somehow someone being pleased with the ease of use of a computer has become akin to "enslavement." It was also, apparently, a fine opportunity to tie in your own religious spite at the same time, which of course is totally necessary in a discussion about a rumor about Apple incorporating a new I/O bus. That always makes me wax religious.
Some people want their stuff to just work. It doesn't make them stupid or ignorant or inferior or less enlightened. It doesn't even mean their somehow universally opposed to learning. I mean, come the fuck on, people have their disciplines and their interests. You sound like you'd be some asshole who'd get on a guy's case because he always ate out because he didn't care about learning to cook. There's nothing wrong with that. Do you get one people's cases for seeing doctors because they aren't experts on health? Do you hate power tools because people should learn how to properly use hand tools?
What the fuck is wrong with you people? Easier to use != dumbed down. Dumbed down != bad.
You know what's cool? Having spent enough time caring about computers, hardware and software to get a job that pays well enough that I really don't need to give a shit about buying some cheap ass Dell or HP laptop instead of a MacBook.
Barring that I know precisely what hardware is in my MacBook Pro. I know that Apple hardware is more expensive. I also know that my time is even more precious and expensive. So, having a computer that pretty much never fails and requires basically no tinkering is awesome. I'm at a point in my life where things like processor MHz mean far less to me than say a trackpad (something I use ALL THE TIME) that is very functional or extended battery life. These kinds of details are where Apple reigns supreme.
My MacBook still has a Core 2 Duo and on forums full of the nitwits who measure their penis by their i7, there is much weeping and wailing and gnashing of teeth. In fact, they tell me they could get a Dell with an i7 for $300 or something. Whatever. I don't care. That laptop would be a plastic piece of shit with a terrible track pad that's twice as thick with half the battery life of the machine I'm running.
This computer is a tool that meets my need and does it better and more enjoyably than any other machines I've used. I fucking hate Windows (7 included) and Linux was always more work than I wanted to put into it (and ran it exclusively for 3 years before switching to a Mac).
(Incidentally, I don't know shit about cars. However, since I'm not a moron finding an honest mechanic in a day and age where shopping around and internet reviews are easy to come by is not exactly rocket science.)
We're running two of the mini servers at our office right now. These things are fantastic small business machines. eSATA is about the only thing they're lacking that I want. Easy to manage, easy to back up, easy to... everything. I even converted one of our old Windows servers to run as a VM on one of the Minis and thus far it's been great.
I hope that's where their strategy is: small business. I guess we'll see when they release Lion. If there's no server variant... oops.
Is there anything governmental bodies accomplish in this day and age without corporate money?
They liked it when it came out... but with age smugness set in and it became cool to hate the things they used to love.
(I saw RotJ 7 days in a row when it was in the theaters originally. It was my favorite. It is my favorite. Mind you, I was 3 when it came out in '83 but still, I love it to this day.)
Yeah... and IE 9 won't run on XP. It pains my soul.
Frankly, I've just stopped doing testing for IE 6. I was so happy when YouTube and Facebook both depreciated it so I could put warnings up on sites (a dump IE 6 page more or less) and I could say, "See, the cool kids are doing it too!"
IE 7 is dreadful too, but at least it supports all the CSS selectors.
Ugh. I have to go lay down now. I just had more IE 6 flashbacks.
When you boil it down, for most people it's just jealousy. I hate to sound like a smug asshole, but I'm at a loss for what else it is.
When Microsoft does something like a typical douche or even something geeks just don't like you get a very simple "M$ sucks" thread. When Apple does something geeks don't like... the reaction is very different. There's this weird mixture of entitlement, hurt and, "But Apple, I weewy, weewy wuv Macs! How can you do this to me!?" (Oh, and there's the crowd that's always hated Apple and Macs, but every platform has haters.)
Apple makes cool shit and geeks want it but often their business model is anti-geek. (Which, makes sense since targeting geeks is never going to pad your bank account with $50,000,000,000.00 in cash reserves.)
Until there comes a day that I have no other choices in platforms, I'm not gonna freak out about what Apple does. Frankly, I don't much care what MS does anymore because there are viable choices. My only real remaining hatred for MS is Internet Explorer, a product that sucks on virtually every level and has held back web development for at least 7 years.
In my haste to refer to this crowd as a bunch of "[paranoid] fucking dweebs" I lost my opportunity to mod up posts like this. I thank you sir for not being a delusional apocalyptic moron. All the exaggerated gloom and doom on this thread makes me feel like I'm at a Pentecostal church.
And behold, I opened the third seal and there stood the Great and Terrible Jobs who unleashed his App Store upon the masses and all the world's computers were closed forever.
Paranoid fucking dweebs.
And? What does it fucking matter?
They're smoking crack. So long as JavaScript is the only option, it will be an idea shared only by crack smokers.
And those people will still be able to use the same tried and true distribution methods. I seriously doubt MS Office is going to be released through the App Store. Adobe's shit isn't going to be. Steam is already on the Mac and will fill a similar role.
I don't think I have EVER seen such a fucking mountain made out of a mole hill in my entire life.