running tor on a server is NOT the reason these people were targetted.
I disagree. Running TOR is exactly the reason they were targeted. There may be nothing illegal about running TOR, but there is no denying the chilling effect of the government seizing people's computers on the kiddie porn pretext. The fewer people running TOR, the fewer people who can freely criticize governments--any governments, not just those in China.
"The only way a game like this can exist is through monthly rates. If they just sold the game for an initial price, the game would not be able to afford the massive amount of hardware, bandwidth, customer support, etc."
Guild Wars: MMORPG, initial cost of game same as non-MMORPG games, no monthly fee, release frequent updates, release expensions, appears popular. I assume you aren't familiar with it.
"Funny, it would make alot more sense if you had said "Marx's authoritarian socialism and Bakunin's libertarian communism." I mean, if we're going to make a disctinction between "socialism" and "communism" in the somewhat more classical senses of the terms, then "authoritarian communism" is an oxymoron.
Most people don't understand the distinction so I used the shorthand to make the point. Authoritarian socialism = communism, at least in the Marxist-Leninist sense as it was practiced. Anarchism = libertarian socialism.
But anyway, you're right. I was thinking the same thing. However, in Marxist theory authority exists to exert the dominance of one class (or more) over another (or more). There are no classes in a free software project, only differences in opinion, skill and expertise. The need for authority in a project like Debian, then, has no simple explanation in Marxist terms and your analogy starts to fall apart.
Naturally I was not talking about an economic theory, but making a more general point about freedom vs. control. Anarchist theory has application to many control structures and relationships, Marxism is, strictly speaking, limited to an economic theory, but, again, the point was a general observation, not an economics thesis.
The real surprise to me--and I would be interested in seeing a thesis on this--is why people involved in what is a classically anarchistic undertaking, OSS development, would think they need more top down control.
This discussion sounds a lot like the divisiion between Marx's authoritarian communism and Bakunin's libertarian socialism.
Garrett's comments can be summed up as: "I don't develop for Debian because people don't treat me with the respect I think I deserve. Debian needs a dictator to make everyone be nice and make me feel happy."
Let' see, AOL invented the $14.95/month from everyone forever strategy and it got them where they are today--the verge of bankruptcy. It sounds really good, but I'm thinking something is left out of the formula. Maybe they should add value for the expense. Or maybe "consumers" don't really like being a perpetual money drip for corps.
Note to Microsoft: No one in his right mind will "rent" Windows Vista, but AOL would like company in its misery.
For some bizzare reason, a person with degrees in chemical engineering and environmental health has the Sloan School of Management (a biz school) on her letterhead.
The Nokia 770 is absolutely sweet. I would pick it over any other PDA on the market, hands down. The screen is gorgeous and there is nothing like it out there on a PDA. The power is amazing and, of course, you can hack around on it if you are so inclined.
Yeah, one day you're on top of the world, making theme songs for disaster movies and staring in the disaster that is AOL, then you get the boot. Here's hoping Ms. McGovern can get her music career back on track.
How is it even a test of the effectiveness of this tool when 85% of the people weren't really terrorists, just people playing terrorists in tests? This makes no sense. Why would we believe that the physiologocal responses of actors pretinding to be terrorists would be in the least like the physiological responses of real terrorists? And still, the test identified as terrorists 8% of the actors who weren't pretinging to be terrorists. Total it up and this is a 93% failure rate. What did the test do with the other 7%: melt down?
This is really cool. Now the Israelis can sell us the tools to make our country into a shit-hole just llike theirs. Israel's enemies become our enemies. Israel's tools of intrusion and oppression become ours too. It's all fine and dandy for the Christer-fiundies and the jewish beanie-boys, but those less religious among us don't like to live in Hell on Earth for the dream of a postumous Heaven.
"On Linux, however, most software is now 64 bit clean, since it has been running 64 bit for about a decade now."
Yeah, a couple of years ago I built an Athlon 64 machine specifically to run 64 bit Linux. SuSE would install but crashed on boot every single time. I never got it fixed. After 20-25 hours spent over 3 days, Gentoo would still not compile.
I ended up installing 32 bit Windows on it and playing games.
"Disk space was expensive and hard to get too -- 55mb IBM 2370 disk pack cost about $1K each or worse in old money iirc. People weren't even aware of the need to make backups yet, and that was for data only -- the idea of storing video in digital form didn't happen until the late 70's when JPL trialled storage of images as well as image catalogues (don't ask about JPLOS -- please. Or Mark IV.)."
The cost of the Apollo moon program was around 135,000,000,000 and you are telling me they couldn't afford a few back up tapes? Hell, we have back ups of Gilligan's Island and the Partridge Family from the same period. I guess that shows what is really important.
"Can you even grok what it would take to pull off a hoaxed moon landing? You need to fool the entire Federal government, thousands of engineers, the entire US Navy, and all the people at places like Lockheed _including their investors_."
Um, NASA had lost the original tapes that are the basis of the historical record of one of the most momentous events in the 20th century and certainly the most important event in the history of human exploration; exactly how hard do you think it would be to fool a government with that level of competency?
"Anyone who thought they'd see an iPhone, new iPod, or any other strictly consumer-centric item at WWDC has put their desire for new gadgets ahead of Apple's desire to maximize its profits. That said, stay tuned for a product announcement sometime before October with Apple's slate of holiday season offerings."
Absolutely correct. I read all the rumors sites talkign about iPhones and full-screen iPods and all that crap, but I only expected the announcement of the Mac Pro and a preview of Leopard. The Xserve was a nice addition.
Moreover, anyone who doesn't think TimeMachine was cool as hell for consumers is a fool.
I thought the integrated animation demonstration was mind-blowing.
Ah, but then tools to build applications only appeals to people who build applications, right?
"A company is worthles without it's employees. Select good people, pay them well and treat them fairly. Next question... How do you remove paranoid executives from positions of power and stop them from inflating operating costs through needless and morale busting authoritarian technology."
Spoken like a person who doesn't manage people. The poster discussing employees with gambling, drug problems, family problems, etc. knows what he is talking about.
"Which country did we invade to explain 9/11, USS Cole, etc?" Stop inventing the strawmen, and answer straight.
Assuming you accept U.S. government propaganda like the faked Bin Laden video tape, then the countries we invaded to provoke these attacks were Iraq and Saudi Arabia.
If you are a little less gullible, then you can figure out that it was a long pattern of U.S. foreign policy since the end of WW II. Just naming the highlights, we have the overthrow of the democratically elected Iranian government and the installation of the Shah; the slavish financial and military support for Israel and its genocidal campaigns against the Palestinians including the veto of over 200 U.N. resolutions against Israel; the support of various hated puppet regimes in the Middle East such as the Saudis; directly causing the deaths of 100,000's of Iraqi's after the first gulf war; the promised but withheld support of the Kurds and Shi'ites in their bid to overthrow Hussein after said war; etc.
I could go on, but, unless you have your head in the sand or other places, you get the point.
and after plopping down that much we find that we "are now able to read digital text in full sunlight, just like paper."
Gee, I have an idea, how about I save 650.00 Euros, don't buy into this stupid DRM scheme, and go borrow a book from the library written on fucking paper?
Don't worry, if it doesn't work any better than any of the other shit the U.S. has and deploys, then we stil won't be able to whup up on starving third world countries whose fighters are armed only with AK47's, ancient Soviet RPG's, and booby-trapped dogs.
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running tor on a server is NOT the reason these people were targetted.
I disagree. Running TOR is exactly the reason they were targeted. There may be nothing illegal about running TOR, but there is no denying the chilling effect of the government seizing people's computers on the kiddie porn pretext. The fewer people running TOR, the fewer people who can freely criticize governments--any governments, not just those in China.
"The only way a game like this can exist is through monthly rates. If they just sold the game for an initial price, the game would not be able to afford the massive amount of hardware, bandwidth, customer support, etc."
Guild Wars: MMORPG, initial cost of game same as non-MMORPG games, no monthly fee, release frequent updates, release expensions, appears popular. I assume you aren't familiar with it.
"Funny, it would make alot more sense if you had said "Marx's authoritarian socialism and Bakunin's libertarian communism." I mean, if we're going to make a disctinction between "socialism" and "communism" in the somewhat more classical senses of the terms, then "authoritarian communism" is an oxymoron.
Most people don't understand the distinction so I used the shorthand to make the point. Authoritarian socialism = communism, at least in the Marxist-Leninist sense as it was practiced. Anarchism = libertarian socialism.
But anyway, you're right. I was thinking the same thing. However, in Marxist theory authority exists to exert the dominance of one class (or more) over another (or more). There are no classes in a free software project, only differences in opinion, skill and expertise. The need for authority in a project like Debian, then, has no simple explanation in Marxist terms and your analogy starts to fall apart.
Naturally I was not talking about an economic theory, but making a more general point about freedom vs. control. Anarchist theory has application to many control structures and relationships, Marxism is, strictly speaking, limited to an economic theory, but, again, the point was a general observation, not an economics thesis.
The real surprise to me--and I would be interested in seeing a thesis on this--is why people involved in what is a classically anarchistic undertaking, OSS development, would think they need more top down control.
This discussion sounds a lot like the divisiion between Marx's authoritarian communism and Bakunin's libertarian socialism.
Garrett's comments can be summed up as: "I don't develop for Debian because people don't treat me with the respect I think I deserve. Debian needs a dictator to make everyone be nice and make me feel happy."
I with you on that. SoulCalibur II is the reason I own an original Xbox and not a 360.
Let' see, AOL invented the $14.95/month from everyone forever strategy and it got them where they are today--the verge of bankruptcy. It sounds really good, but I'm thinking something is left out of the formula. Maybe they should add value for the expense. Or maybe "consumers" don't really like being a perpetual money drip for corps.
Note to Microsoft: No one in his right mind will "rent" Windows Vista, but AOL would like company in its misery.
For some bizzare reason, a person with degrees in chemical engineering and environmental health has the Sloan School of Management (a biz school) on her letterhead.
The Nokia 770 is absolutely sweet. I would pick it over any other PDA on the market, hands down. The screen is gorgeous and there is nothing like it out there on a PDA. The power is amazing and, of course, you can hack around on it if you are so inclined.
Yeah, one day you're on top of the world, making theme songs for disaster movies and staring in the disaster that is AOL, then you get the boot. Here's hoping Ms. McGovern can get her music career back on track.
Wow, and with YouTube's crappy resolution thrown in as an added bonus. Excellent!!!!
How is it even a test of the effectiveness of this tool when 85% of the people weren't really terrorists, just people playing terrorists in tests? This makes no sense. Why would we believe that the physiologocal responses of actors pretinding to be terrorists would be in the least like the physiological responses of real terrorists? And still, the test identified as terrorists 8% of the actors who weren't pretinging to be terrorists. Total it up and this is a 93% failure rate. What did the test do with the other 7%: melt down?
This is really cool. Now the Israelis can sell us the tools to make our country into a shit-hole just llike theirs. Israel's enemies become our enemies. Israel's tools of intrusion and oppression become ours too. It's all fine and dandy for the Christer-fiundies and the jewish beanie-boys, but those less religious among us don't like to live in Hell on Earth for the dream of a postumous Heaven.
"On Linux, however, most software is now 64 bit clean, since it has been running 64 bit for about a decade now."
Yeah, a couple of years ago I built an Athlon 64 machine specifically to run 64 bit Linux. SuSE would install but crashed on boot every single time. I never got it fixed. After 20-25 hours spent over 3 days, Gentoo would still not compile.
I ended up installing 32 bit Windows on it and playing games.
Is your shift key broken or are you trying to write some bizzare kind of modern poetry?
"Disk space was expensive and hard to get too -- 55mb IBM 2370 disk pack cost about $1K each or worse in old money iirc. People weren't even aware of the need to make backups yet, and that was for data only -- the idea of storing video in digital form didn't happen until the late 70's when JPL trialled storage of images as well as image catalogues (don't ask about JPLOS -- please. Or Mark IV.)."
The cost of the Apollo moon program was around 135,000,000,000 and you are telling me they couldn't afford a few back up tapes? Hell, we have back ups of Gilligan's Island and the Partridge Family from the same period. I guess that shows what is really important.
"Can you even grok what it would take to pull off a hoaxed moon landing? You need to fool the entire Federal government, thousands of engineers, the entire US Navy, and all the people at places like Lockheed _including their investors_."
Um, NASA had lost the original tapes that are the basis of the historical record of one of the most momentous events in the 20th century and certainly the most important event in the history of human exploration; exactly how hard do you think it would be to fool a government with that level of competency?
"Anyone who thought they'd see an iPhone, new iPod, or any other strictly consumer-centric item at WWDC has put their desire for new gadgets ahead of Apple's desire to maximize its profits. That said, stay tuned for a product announcement sometime before October with Apple's slate of holiday season offerings."
Absolutely correct. I read all the rumors sites talkign about iPhones and full-screen iPods and all that crap, but I only expected the announcement of the Mac Pro and a preview of Leopard. The Xserve was a nice addition.
Moreover, anyone who doesn't think TimeMachine was cool as hell for consumers is a fool.
I thought the integrated animation demonstration was mind-blowing.
Ah, but then tools to build applications only appeals to people who build applications, right?
Spoken like a person who doesn't manage people. The poster discussing employees with gambling, drug problems, family problems, etc. knows what he is talking about.
"Which country did we invade to explain 9/11, USS Cole, etc?" Stop inventing the strawmen, and answer straight.
Assuming you accept U.S. government propaganda like the faked Bin Laden video tape, then the countries we invaded to provoke these attacks were Iraq and Saudi Arabia.
If you are a little less gullible, then you can figure out that it was a long pattern of U.S. foreign policy since the end of WW II. Just naming the highlights, we have the overthrow of the democratically elected Iranian government and the installation of the Shah; the slavish financial and military support for Israel and its genocidal campaigns against the Palestinians including the veto of over 200 U.N. resolutions against Israel; the support of various hated puppet regimes in the Middle East such as the Saudis; directly causing the deaths of 100,000's of Iraqi's after the first gulf war; the promised but withheld support of the Kurds and Shi'ites in their bid to overthrow Hussein after said war; etc.
I could go on, but, unless you have your head in the sand or other places, you get the point.
A. Ones ability to shoot the plane has a lot to do with his orientation to the plane.
B. Even assuming it was necessary to hit all four engines, who says you can only have one shooter? Is there some rule against multiple shooters?
"Not everyone is watching the boob tube or listening to conventional radio these days."
Although most people do have windows (as in the glass kind, not the software kind).
How is this possible?
What does it all mean? Sort this out for me, Slashdot.
and after plopping down that much we find that we "are now able to read digital text in full sunlight, just like paper."
Gee, I have an idea, how about I save 650.00 Euros, don't buy into this stupid DRM scheme, and go borrow a book from the library written on fucking paper?
"Mines that move? That is goddamn frightening."
Don't worry, if it doesn't work any better than any of the other shit the U.S. has and deploys, then we stil won't be able to whup up on starving third world countries whose fighters are armed only with AK47's, ancient Soviet RPG's, and booby-trapped dogs.