Cause otherwise you just proved, probably against your will, that Win98SE is just fine for the home user, while whatever software the FSF was running on their file server was insecure and not suitable for visable targets.
All the things in that post were true. You didn't try to disprove them I notice, only attack the messenger. Mayber you will be a big boy one day and attack the content, but until then, please just read posts and not respond.
Now do you have any facts to add or just more personal attacks? Didn't think so...
Also, whoever modded that content-free post as insightful should have their mod privledges revoked. He said nothing relevent to the topic, he only made personal attacks. I'm really starting to get disappointed with the quality of discussion in the games section.
It only takes one in the eye to be assault. One near the eye to be attempted assault. And since its a group intentionally doing this cooperatively, brings interesting gang laws into the fray. Bottom line, REAL bad idea.
I will bet you, or anyone else, $1000 right now that I could run a Windows 98SE box with IE6 installed for 1 (one) year without getting a virus, worm, trojan, getting owned, or compromised in any way. (I don't think the FSF can make this claim about their own file server.)
The only rule is that the box will be in my possession and I am the only one allowed physical access to the input devices and the box iteslf.
But that is what Nintendo is delivering these days, so lets not condemn them too harshly for doing it again. Lets look at things objectively here. The two most noteworthy (not best, but of note, ie good, innovative, etc) games on the 'Cube, by popular consensus, are Metroid and Eternal Darkness. NEITHER OF THESE GAMES WERE DEVELOPED IN-HOUSE BY NINTENDO. These were published by Nintendo, but developed by someone else, hell on a totally different continent. Frighteningly, one of them bares a beloved name from my childhood, yet was still not developed by Nintendo. Neither was Mario Golf. You get Mario, but not Nintendo. What does all of this rehash work and outsourcing tell us about Nintendo?
They don't care about the games anymore. Nintendo, in 2003, exists to sell trading cards and plush toys. The games exist only to market the toys. This is clearly backwards. Make the game first, and if people clamor for tie-in works, then sure go ahead and cash in.
Mod me down if it helps your ego, but this post contains only facts. Unpopular ones, but facts alone. And don't forget, Nintendo just posted its first corporate loss since it has been publicly traded. They are not the same company they were in 1986.
So they ARE making money from this. Doesn't that go against the set of beliefs that, while believing the current copyright system is wrong, also holds that one should not be able to profit from other people's work without their permission? Isn't that one of the tenets of the OSS movement? Using this for-profit, proprietary software, with the only excuse that it can be used legitimately to distribute Free and OS software, actually goes against the beliefs of Free and OS software advocates.
Speaking from experience, you are so very wrong. My favorite is when someone is running a game under Wine and tries to hide the fact. They do call, the lie about it, and they are long calls that cost alot of money.
Except they would have to put up most of the up-front cash to get this thing going. They buy the online currency high to get moving, but then the online currency gets devalued. Get it?
IT infrastructure or research/explorations. I personally could use a metro/subway station in my neighborhood.
Contact your state or local represtatives. There is no reason the federal government should be paying for those projects. About the only thing the feds should collect taxes for is to have money to be able to kill people should the need arise.
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Almighty Dollar.
So you say you are setting up a service to profit from our game without us getting a cut? Well we could try to EULA you out of existence, but we have a better idea. One day, after you are nice and operational and have plenty of liquid currency deposited we plan to do one of two things: 1) Change currency to something else entirely making all currency held obsolete and worthless, or 2) Multiply all in-game prices and creature drops by a factor of 1000000. A rat that used to drop 1 copper now drops 1000000 copper. A sword that used to cost 5 copper now costs 5000000 copper.
Whats that? But you already paid out significant amounts of real US Dollars for the currency you have in stock? A noobie can walk outside of town and trip over that much in-game money? You just lost a ton of operating capital and your investers and customers don't trust you anymore? Dang, sucks to be you.
GG
PS These comments, nor Mike Hawk, represent SOE, EA, Lucasarts, George W. Bush, Principal Skinner, or any entity public, private, or imaginary, this is just what I would do because I can be a vengeful arse.
He just attacks the source. You took the knowledge you have presented here and read into his attack on the source what you wanted to read. His post said none of what yours did.
I actually agree with most everything you state except the last part.
Once that source is available under the public domain it can be used for any purpose without restriction, which should be the intent of government-funded software research (unless, of course, there are specific reasons to keep the software itself out of the public eye, such as software with uses specifically tied to national security).
I am of the humble opinion that if the government develops (or funds developement of) anything (software included) they should turn around and try to profit from that venture. There is no reason to spend a great deal of taxpayer money on anything just to give it away free to the world. Ideally, the work should be sold to other governments with a similar need for a reasonable cost, thereby easing the tax burden on what was probably an unconstitutional expenditure in the first place.
1) My point wasnt that it is free, but that someone would pay for it.
2) Good point? Very well thought out, I'm totally convinced. What are you 11?
3) Not my problem. You can use whatever inefficient setup you want, but the games dont support it anyway.
4) How very selfish of you. Redundant with point 1.
5) What business plan? Are they running a business? I think they could have fooled most of us if they think they are.
I'm taking to mean that you would dual-boot to play CivIII. Well if you have spent thousands of dollars over the years, why not put some of the spare parts together and make a windows only box? Seems like the most logical move. It doesn't even need to be connected to the internet to play CivIII. Winex just doesnt make sense.
Wait wait wait. Let me get this straight. People pay $60 per year to get Windows games to work under linux?
One can purchase a completely legit copy of Windows 98 (mine has served me well over the last 4 odd years) for less than that. Turns out, Windows games run natively under Windows AND they work on day 0, not when some third party decides to make them work. Rad indeed! Logical...not so much.
Acidic is right, and I really hate agreeing with that guy. You think they havent thought of every possible way to make money off of a game? If it was profitable, they would do it. That is the point and the only point. Most developers dont release a half-assed port, they don't release one at all. (What did someone say once? Developers, developers, developers, developers, etc.)
And you both have forgotten something that would happen uniquely if they made winex officially "supported". Who would handle the CS calls when it doesnt work? IE more money out of the developer's/publisher's pocket when it might be transgaming's fault.
Nope, winex is staying unofficial for lots of good reasons.
Or, alternately, one could read that as linux is the OS for poor people.
The bus is the transportation of choice for poor people. Ramen is the food of choice for poor people. Taco Bell is the restaurant of choice for poor people. Welfare is the lifestyle of choice for poor people.
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So are you taking the bet?
Cause otherwise you just proved, probably against your will, that Win98SE is just fine for the home user, while whatever software the FSF was running on their file server was insecure and not suitable for visable targets.
Is this what you intended?
You a just patently wrong fanboy. Typical Nintendo fan, no facts, just wishful thinking. Nintendo just posted a loss for the first time ever.
All the things in that post were true. You didn't try to disprove them I notice, only attack the messenger. Mayber you will be a big boy one day and attack the content, but until then, please just read posts and not respond.
Now do you have any facts to add or just more personal attacks? Didn't think so...
Also, whoever modded that content-free post as insightful should have their mod privledges revoked. He said nothing relevent to the topic, he only made personal attacks. I'm really starting to get disappointed with the quality of discussion in the games section.
It only takes one in the eye to be assault. One near the eye to be attempted assault. And since its a group intentionally doing this cooperatively, brings interesting gang laws into the fray. Bottom line, REAL bad idea.
I will bet you, or anyone else, $1000 right now that I could run a Windows 98SE box with IE6 installed for 1 (one) year without getting a virus, worm, trojan, getting owned, or compromised in any way. (I don't think the FSF can make this claim about their own file server.)
The only rule is that the box will be in my possession and I am the only one allowed physical access to the input devices and the box iteslf.
Any takers?
Did you just say that something is pretty new, then exclude all the things that have done it in the past? OMFG, only a Nintendo fanboy.
"I think the Honda Accord is an innovative car and pretty new*."
*The Honda Accord and all those other cars not included.
Rehash.
But that is what Nintendo is delivering these days, so lets not condemn them too harshly for doing it again. Lets look at things objectively here. The two most noteworthy (not best, but of note, ie good, innovative, etc) games on the 'Cube, by popular consensus, are Metroid and Eternal Darkness. NEITHER OF THESE GAMES WERE DEVELOPED IN-HOUSE BY NINTENDO. These were published by Nintendo, but developed by someone else, hell on a totally different continent. Frighteningly, one of them bares a beloved name from my childhood, yet was still not developed by Nintendo. Neither was Mario Golf. You get Mario, but not Nintendo. What does all of this rehash work and outsourcing tell us about Nintendo?
They don't care about the games anymore. Nintendo, in 2003, exists to sell trading cards and plush toys. The games exist only to market the toys. This is clearly backwards. Make the game first, and if people clamor for tie-in works, then sure go ahead and cash in.
Mod me down if it helps your ego, but this post contains only facts. Unpopular ones, but facts alone. And don't forget, Nintendo just posted its first corporate loss since it has been publicly traded. They are not the same company they were in 1986.
So they ARE making money from this. Doesn't that go against the set of beliefs that, while believing the current copyright system is wrong, also holds that one should not be able to profit from other people's work without their permission? Isn't that one of the tenets of the OSS movement? Using this for-profit, proprietary software, with the only excuse that it can be used legitimately to distribute Free and OS software, actually goes against the beliefs of Free and OS software advocates.
Sniff, sniff...yup that is hypocrisy I smell.
Though I am not a musician, this begs the question....If it sucks(!), why is it being traded? Clearly a significant number of people want it...
Speaking from experience, you are so very wrong. My favorite is when someone is running a game under Wine and tries to hide the fact. They do call, the lie about it, and they are long calls that cost alot of money.
Except they would have to put up most of the up-front cash to get this thing going. They buy the online currency high to get moving, but then the online currency gets devalued. Get it?
IT infrastructure or research/explorations. I personally could use a metro/subway station in my neighborhood.
Contact your state or local represtatives. There is no reason the federal government should be paying for those projects. About the only thing the feds should collect taxes for is to have money to be able to kill people should the need arise.
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Almighty Dollar.
So you say you are setting up a service to profit from our game without us getting a cut? Well we could try to EULA you out of existence, but we have a better idea. One day, after you are nice and operational and have plenty of liquid currency deposited we plan to do one of two things:
1) Change currency to something else entirely making all currency held obsolete and worthless, or
2) Multiply all in-game prices and creature drops by a factor of 1000000. A rat that used to drop 1 copper now drops 1000000 copper. A sword that used to cost 5 copper now costs 5000000 copper.
Whats that? But you already paid out significant amounts of real US Dollars for the currency you have in stock? A noobie can walk outside of town and trip over that much in-game money? You just lost a ton of operating capital and your investers and customers don't trust you anymore? Dang, sucks to be you.
GG
PS These comments, nor Mike Hawk, represent SOE, EA, Lucasarts, George W. Bush, Principal Skinner, or any entity public, private, or imaginary, this is just what I would do because I can be a vengeful arse.
He just attacks the source. You took the knowledge you have presented here and read into his attack on the source what you wanted to read. His post said none of what yours did.
I actually agree with most everything you state except the last part.
Once that source is available under the public domain it can be used for any purpose without restriction, which should be the intent of government-funded software research (unless, of course, there are specific reasons to keep the software itself out of the public eye, such as software with uses specifically tied to national security).
I am of the humble opinion that if the government develops (or funds developement of) anything (software included) they should turn around and try to profit from that venture. There is no reason to spend a great deal of taxpayer money on anything just to give it away free to the world. Ideally, the work should be sold to other governments with a similar need for a reasonable cost, thereby easing the tax burden on what was probably an unconstitutional expenditure in the first place.
Mod parent down. (Score:-1, Either way out of touch or outright lying)
I'll enterain you're poorly thought out points...
1) My point wasnt that it is free, but that someone would pay for it.
2) Good point? Very well thought out, I'm totally convinced. What are you 11?
3) Not my problem. You can use whatever inefficient setup you want, but the games dont support it anyway.
4) How very selfish of you. Redundant with point 1.
5) What business plan? Are they running a business? I think they could have fooled most of us if they think they are.
Does that random statement help you sleep at night? Just because you put it in quotes doesn't make it true.
Care to attack any of the specific points? Or just the source...
Didnt think so.
I'm taking to mean that you would dual-boot to play CivIII. Well if you have spent thousands of dollars over the years, why not put some of the spare parts together and make a windows only box? Seems like the most logical move. It doesn't even need to be connected to the internet to play CivIII. Winex just doesnt make sense.
Wait wait wait. Let me get this straight. People pay $60 per year to get Windows games to work under linux?
One can purchase a completely legit copy of Windows 98 (mine has served me well over the last 4 odd years) for less than that. Turns out, Windows games run natively under Windows AND they work on day 0, not when some third party decides to make them work. Rad indeed! Logical...not so much.
Acidic is right, and I really hate agreeing with that guy. You think they havent thought of every possible way to make money off of a game? If it was profitable, they would do it. That is the point and the only point. Most developers dont release a half-assed port, they don't release one at all. (What did someone say once? Developers, developers, developers, developers, etc.)
And you both have forgotten something that would happen uniquely if they made winex officially "supported". Who would handle the CS calls when it doesnt work? IE more money out of the developer's/publisher's pocket when it might be transgaming's fault.
Nope, winex is staying unofficial for lots of good reasons.
better than a tool can! (Personally I root for the block of silicon ;-)
Since humans tend to cheer on humans, but you root for the tool, what does that make you?
Yeah, looking back at the history of Russia, nothing f'ed up ever happens there.
Oh wait...
HAHA, I just walked into Best Buy and got approved for 2500 in instant credit to buy a refridgerator.
I think having a tech job and a high Best Buy card limit should automatically set your credit score to negative, it doesnt get more risky than that.
Or, alternately, one could read that as linux is the OS for poor people.
The bus is the transportation of choice for poor people. Ramen is the food of choice for poor people. Taco Bell is the restaurant of choice for poor people. Welfare is the lifestyle of choice for poor people.
Where does that put linux?