Long term customers of Rogers get their cell phones for free.
I've been with them for almost 10 years, and I only paid for my first phone, which was one of those old Motorola bag phones...remember them?:)
About every 2 years I've been offered a choice of a new phone for no charge, and they've always given me a good selection to choose from. My latest is the Nokia 3595 which I received about 6 months ago...and it's a great phone.
I suspect that the article is right when it comes to new customers signing up, or customers that only want to go on pay as you go plans. In those situations Rogers can't be sure that they will come ahead by giving you the phone for free. But if you're a long term customer they certainly look after you and make sure that you always have a fairly modern phone.
I don't know if US carriers do the same but it seems reasonable to me. Why give phones away if you haven't got some assurance that your customers will stick around?
I can't complain about the rates either although I don't know what the US carriers rates are to compare with. I used to have the Digital 1 plan when I did a lot of travelling (both in the US and Canada) and long distance, international roaming charges, unlimited text messaging, and 1000 daytime minutes (evenings and weekends unlimited) cost me about $100 a month. The amount of time I used the phone combined with the fact that most of my calls were always long distance sure seemed like a good deal to me.
I'm surprised at a lot of the comments. Maybe I'm weird! I actually enjoy trying to get things working when they break, or the challenge of getting some new software to work. I generally write down the steps I do for future reference and it's become pretty common to refer to those notes later.
I do suffer from the 'computer guy' syndrome though. Everyone that knows me figures I can drop what I'm doing and come fix their problem for no charge...maybe just a beer or 2. Sometimes I do and sometimes I'll tell them it will cost...which always seems to surprise/offend them. Either way, if I've had the problem occur to me before chances are I've wrote down the steps to fix it and can solve the problem quickly.
I really thought all/.'s enjoyed tinkering with their machines/networks and would never consider it time wasted!
Here is a typical day for me when I have to work at a client's office:
wife> you'll never guess who called me> can it wait? I'm working here. wife> oh it'll just take a sec... wife> blah blah blah me> *insert random emoticons to make it appear that I am actually paying attention* wife> ok, so when will you be home? me> soon, I just got to finish this one last thing...which I will get done as soon as we quit talking. wife> ok bye
* a couple of minutes pass *
wife> guess what happened on *insert dumb soap opera here*
and so on. Once I put her on my blocked list but she figured that out and really got pissed.
I'm reading this topic with much interest and interested on how other people deal with IM. I like it and hate it at the same time!
I've heard a few people talking about this game and I guess it has something to do with the games called myst and riven. I've played neither of those but I went to their website and downloaded the demo. I was blown away by the graphics and sound and my wife and I played it for a couple of hours before we figured it out. I've just ordered the game from amazon so I hope the rest of it is as much fun as the demo.
I should mention that it seems more like a game where you just figure stuff out and not a shoot em up. Apparently there will be an online version of this as well which should make it interesting. One thing to note is you definitely want to have a fast computer with a good graphics card to play this. I don't play games that often so I don't know how this one stacks up to others this year but it certainly impressed me!
So which is it ? Do we expect people to upgrade after 36 months, or do we take any opportunity to mention that we think Microsoft sucks (of which everyone in the audience is perfectly aware)
I don't see a contradiction. Gagne is implying that most users will upgrade and manage patching there own systems. However, if you decide to stay with an older version (for whatever reason) you have access to the full source code and can either patch it yourself or hire someone to do so. How can you do that with MS without access to the code? You can't...so your forced to upgrade. MS made this clear with their recent announcement about Win 98.
Which papers would those be ? The ones that manage to not mention that FSF, Debian, and Gentoo all had their Root file distribution servers OWNED in the same year ?
Yep, that would be them. That doesn't refute the fact that it is all too common to read yet another security flaw with MS products. Those papers may not have mentioned the security breaches incurred by Debian, Gentoo, and the FSF, but it certainly wasn't due to a lack of information. In Debian's case, they had the servers shut down and information posted within hours. Now if these had been reported by the main stream media do you believe that it would even the playing field? These handful of compromises as opposed to the barrage of problems we hear about with MS aren't even slightly comparable. What exactly was your point here?
riiiiiiiight. Let me tell you what. if windows update gets owned, you will hear about it in the papers, and on the news, etc. And it wont be because of the magnitude of the issue - because it happend to the FSF, Debian, _and_ Gentoo _first_. When something goes wrong with microsoft software, it hits the whole internet. It's a market share issue.
And you should read about it in the papers, or watch it on the news.. The media should report any flaws or security problems regarding MS immediately, as the majority of computer users are affected. Gagne states "Of course Linux is more secure, and it has nothing to do with Microsoft's market penetration." Time and again I've heard from MS zealots that MS is no less secure than *nix, but the fact that they have a greater percentage of the market share is the reason so many exploits are found. This, of course, is utter nonsense. Linux has a greater approach to software development, hence greater security. This is what Gagne is alluding too.
why am i listening to your opinion of MS software again ?
Huh? You don't need to use MS software to be aware of its problems. Did you miss the article on./ the other day? People can't even download and install critical updates before their machines are compromised. Anyone using a firewall that checks their logs periodically is all to familiar with nimda, blaster, etc. It doesn't matter what OS your using to see that.
Really ? which documents ? Where are the documents that talk about how much money business MAKE by leveraging software - Microsoft software. If, overall, MS software is hurting business financially, why dont they go back to notebook paper ? Why not use linux ?
How long do you think any company would last nowadays if they weren't using computers? Companies need computers now, and they have to spend a lot of money keeping their networks up to date and secure. As to "Why not use linux?" more and more they are. Management is becoming aware that there actually is a better alternative to MS, and the rate of companies converting is rapidly growing. It amazes me in my area alone the number of small companies replacing their IIS and Exchange servers. I've even seen some replace their employee's desktops from MS to linux. It's the snowball effect...first the servers are being replaced, next the desktops...you'll see:)
I'd argue that with each year of Windows, we've only seen improvements. does it then follow that there's only a bright future ahead ? If so, how is
cause once the wrong (or right, depending upon what angle your looking from) people read this it will just further confirm how many stupid, gullible people there are to be had out there.
I don't feel sorry for this guy at all. I've seen gamblers in denial that blame any and everything else for the consequences of their actions. He is no different. They refuse to believe that it was a mistake and it's always something or someone else's fault. How many times have you seen a guy losing his shirt at the blackjack table, and the whole time blaming it on the actions of the anchor?! They take the risks and when things go bad they get to the point where they only hope they can just win their money back...which probably explains why he kept giving the scammers more. I believe that deep down this guy knows he's been taken but he's still holding on to the slightest possibility that the money will come through. The other alternative is to admit he's been scammed because of his greed and to face the shame and embarrasment of it all.
The worst part for everyone else is that this is more fuel for the fire. I imagine we can all expect more scam spam in the future now. *sigh*
I finally had to give in and purchase a new computer with xp. 2 things that frustrated me right off the bat was the fact that this new computer was way behind on patches, secondly...just how big the patches were I had to download. Even though I'm on highspeed dsl it still took a good 15-20 minutes to download and install all critical updates.
I can just imagine how inexperienced people getting new computers for Christmas will feel, especially on dial up connections. When your excited about a new machine, who wants to spend the first couple of hours just trying to secure the machine before you can even browse to your first website?!
Vendors should be forced to ensure that any computers they sell are already up to date. While we're at it, Microsoft should be forced to ensure that there products aren't so insecure before sales either:)
I'm one of many that were turned off of smoothwall for different reasons (rudeness by one of the developers mainly) and chose to go with ipcop. I've never looked back since then nor had a problem with ipcop.
I hope smoothwall has straightened out some of there earlier problems and is successful but I'll continue using ipcop for the forseeable future.
Both of these projects are absolutely awesome though. They allow you take an old machine and easily turn it into a good firewall/router. I've set up a few now as they have made some computers I picked up from a school useful again. All my ipcop installs go on p2's with 64mg of ram and 3 cheap nics. I can have a firewall/router set up and running in 20 minutes which includes DMZ, NAT, Snort, DHCP, VPN, and a proxy...all easily configured via a web browser over SSL.
These projects are real gems in the OSS world IMHO and I doubt I'll be looking at hardware firewalls in the near future again.
Hat's off to all the developers (except 1) that have been working on these:-)
and if so, almost all of that code is dealing with the logging levels of log4j.
I do realize the difference in both their licenses, but it certainly seems ironic to me that jboss is using an apache project and then complaining that apache (geronimo) is using the same package in almost the same way!
I haven't used log4j in sometime but my recollection is that there are 6 standard levels for logging. This appears like they are both adding an extra level (7) called TRACE that is below the DEBUG level. How many possible, different ways could you do that anyhow?
"If you want to make money from your website, then give me a reason to give you money. I'll gladly buy products from you, if they're good products and I like and want to own them. But don't stick ads on your page."
What about sites that don't sell anything? How about sites that provide a service, or information sites? There are many of these sites that exist for the public to use at no cost. In many cases the site may have been put up by someone who just had an interest in a particular subject and wanted to share ideas, info, etc. with other like-minded people. What if that site suddenly gains a lot of traffic and running it on a server from home with a dsl or cable connection is no longer feasible? Do you then start to charge your visitors or do you look at alternative means to offset your running costs?
A simple solution is to place some banner ads on the site. I don't know anyone who makes a ton of money off these, but if it helps offset the cost and isn't abused (more banner ads than content) I see nothing wrong with that. Don't get me wrong, I hate pop-ups and Mozilla blocks them for me, but I can tolerate banner ads. When I do encounter a site that has too many of them I simply leave the site.
Now, if people start using Norton (or other similar programs) and view these sites minus the ads the owner doesn't get any recipication. If everyone does that, the owner has to either find alternative measures to fund the site or has to pay out of pocket for it.
If you want to serve your content, then you're the one picking up the check. If you want me to offset that, then you'll have to find something other than ads, because I refuse to play that game. Take donations, sell coffee mugs, whatever you like.
Say you did this with your tv. You effectively block all commercials and can still view all your favourite shows. Now say that the majority of the public followed your idea and began to do that. Eventually the networks will have to find an alternative source of income and you end up having to pay for all the shows you want. I think that's the long term reality of what your doing, especially if more and more people subscribe to your school of thought.
In the short term you'll browse around ad free, in the long term you'll find yourself complaining that you have to pay for everything on the net and your sick of it. That little banner ad isn't as big a nuisance when you think of it this way.
"I mean, people act like some other systems don't have vulnerabilities; actually all the forms of Unix as well as Linux have had more vulnerabilities per line of code. They don't propagate as much because they're not as dense as our system is, so the things that prevent the propagation are particularly important for our world."
I think they mean "They don't propogate as much because they're not as dunce as our system is...".
All kidding aside, I have no idea how accurate that statement is and wonder what the actual reality of it is. My first instinct is that this is an outlandish exaggeration (more Microsoft marketing FUD) but how can you really tell? Anyone can view *nix code but not everyone can view windows code. Has some unbiased group studied both sources and come to this conclusion? Maybe Gates was talking all forms of Unix and Linux combined has more vunerabilites than windows...who knows?
Out of all the distros out there I personally like debian the best, and this is another reason why. With all the alternatives available to the open source community you have to hand it to Debian for allowing users easy freedom of choice. If you want only free software then don't add contrib or non-free to your sources.list. If you want stability and security on your computer, use woody. If you want new software and don't care if it meets free software definitions, use sid with contrib and non-free.
I have several computers all running debian and each have different setups depending upon what I'm using it for. Debian makes this very easy to do and IMHO, along with apt, is what makes debian better than the other distros. Ultimately this leads to a better separation of choice and still allows anyone to easily configure debian whatever way they want.
I've lost count how many times I've removed this damn spyware from friends, family, clients computers only to have them come back in short time with it installed again. How about annoyingware?
Everyone thought Jason vs Freddy would be a good match up. I want to see Jason vs Gator. They both keep coming back from the dead and you just can't seem to get rid of either of them!
"There are only two investors in this deal: BayStar Capital and the Royal Bank of Canada."
That's my bank:-(
Does that mean I don't have to pay the full $699 now?
Oh, and can anyone recommend another good Canadian bank now? I suddenly don't have as much confidence in my current one's future with business decisions like this!
We'll need a new command called bootuptime! Instead of flaunting 'uptime' to my poor misguided Microsoft user friends, I could ooh and awe them with my incredibly short 'bootuptime' figures.
*Check it out! 3 months ago when I booted up my linux box it only took 5 seconds!*
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Long term customers of Rogers get their cell phones for free.
:)
I've been with them for almost 10 years, and I only paid for my first phone, which was one of those old Motorola bag phones...remember them?
About every 2 years I've been offered a choice of a new phone for no charge, and they've always given me a good selection to choose from. My latest is the Nokia 3595 which I received about 6 months ago...and it's a great phone.
I suspect that the article is right when it comes to new customers signing up, or customers that only want to go on pay as you go plans. In those situations Rogers can't be sure that they will come ahead by giving you the phone for free. But if you're a long term customer they certainly look after you and make sure that you always have a fairly modern phone.
I don't know if US carriers do the same but it seems reasonable to me. Why give phones away if you haven't got some assurance that your customers will stick around?
I can't complain about the rates either although I don't know what the US carriers rates are to compare with. I used to have the Digital 1 plan when I did a lot of travelling (both in the US and Canada) and long distance, international roaming charges, unlimited text messaging, and 1000 daytime minutes (evenings and weekends unlimited) cost me about $100 a month. The amount of time I used the phone combined with the fact that most of my calls were always long distance sure seemed like a good deal to me.
I've always felt I've got a fair shake up here.
-Pat
"If you want to see him, maybe you guys should come down to South Australia and register for linux.conf.au 2004."
What about the gals? Surely linux.conf.au 2004 is a chick magnet, ain't it?
I'm surprised at a lot of the comments. Maybe I'm weird! I actually enjoy trying to get things working when they break, or the challenge of getting some new software to work. I generally write down the steps I do for future reference and it's become pretty common to refer to those notes later.
/.'s enjoyed tinkering with their machines/networks and would never consider it time wasted!
I do suffer from the 'computer guy' syndrome though. Everyone that knows me figures I can drop what I'm doing and come fix their problem for no charge...maybe just a beer or 2. Sometimes I do and sometimes I'll tell them it will cost...which always seems to surprise/offend them. Either way, if I've had the problem occur to me before chances are I've wrote down the steps to fix it and can solve the problem quickly.
I really thought all
-Pat
Here is a typical day for me when I have to work at a client's office:
wife> you'll never guess who called
me> can it wait? I'm working here.
wife> oh it'll just take a sec...
wife> blah blah blah
me> *insert random emoticons to make it appear that I am actually paying attention*
wife> ok, so when will you be home?
me> soon, I just got to finish this one last thing...which I will get done as soon as we quit talking.
wife> ok bye
* a couple of minutes pass *
wife> guess what happened on *insert dumb soap opera here*
and so on. Once I put her on my blocked list but she figured that out and really got pissed.
I'm reading this topic with much interest and interested on how other people deal with IM. I like it and hate it at the same time!
-Pat
Yes, at least with the linksys wireless routers you can.
Call me paranoid but I normally disable wireless mode unless I know I or someone else in my family needs it.
-Pat
Maybe it's Bill Gates?
I've heard a few people talking about this game and I guess it has something to do with the games called myst and riven. I've played neither of those but I went to their website and downloaded the demo. I was blown away by the graphics and sound and my wife and I played it for a couple of hours before we figured it out. I've just ordered the game from amazon so I hope the rest of it is as much fun as the demo.
I should mention that it seems more like a game where you just figure stuff out and not a shoot em up. Apparently there will be an online version of this as well which should make it interesting. One thing to note is you definitely want to have a fast computer with a good graphics card to play this. I don't play games that often so I don't know how this one stacks up to others this year but it certainly impressed me!
-Pat
So which is it ? Do we expect people to upgrade after 36 months, or do we take any opportunity to mention that we think Microsoft sucks (of which everyone in the audience is perfectly aware)
I don't see a contradiction. Gagne is implying that most users will upgrade and manage patching there own systems. However, if you decide to stay with an older version (for whatever reason) you have access to the full source code and can either patch it yourself or hire someone to do so. How can you do that with MS without access to the code? You can't...so your forced to upgrade. MS made this clear with their recent announcement about Win 98.
Which papers would those be ? The ones that manage to not mention that FSF, Debian, and Gentoo all had their Root file distribution servers OWNED in the same year ?
Yep, that would be them. That doesn't refute the fact that it is all too common to read yet another security flaw with MS products. Those papers may not have mentioned the security breaches incurred by Debian, Gentoo, and the FSF, but it certainly wasn't due to a lack of information. In Debian's case, they had the servers shut down and information posted within hours. Now if these had been reported by the main stream media do you believe that it would even the playing field? These handful of compromises as opposed to the barrage of problems we hear about with MS aren't even slightly comparable. What exactly was your point here?
riiiiiiiight. Let me tell you what. if windows update gets owned, you will hear about it in the papers, and on the news, etc. And it wont be because of the magnitude of the issue - because it happend to the FSF, Debian, _and_ Gentoo _first_. When something goes wrong with microsoft software, it hits the whole internet. It's a market share issue.
And you should read about it in the papers, or watch it on the news.. The media should report any flaws or security problems regarding MS immediately, as the majority of computer users are affected. Gagne states "Of course Linux is more secure, and it has nothing to do with Microsoft's market penetration." Time and again I've heard from MS zealots that MS is no less secure than *nix, but the fact that they have a greater percentage of the market share is the reason so many exploits are found. This, of course, is utter nonsense. Linux has a greater approach to software development, hence greater security. This is what Gagne is alluding too.
why am i listening to your opinion of MS software again ?
Huh? You don't need to use MS software to be aware of its problems. Did you miss the article on ./ the other day? People can't even download and install critical updates before their machines are compromised. Anyone using a firewall that checks their logs periodically is all to familiar with nimda, blaster, etc. It doesn't matter what OS your using to see that.
Really ? which documents ? Where are the documents that talk about how much money business MAKE by leveraging software - Microsoft software. If, overall, MS software is hurting business financially, why dont they go back to notebook paper ? Why not use linux ?
How long do you think any company would last nowadays if they weren't using computers? Companies need computers now, and they have to spend a lot of money keeping their networks up to date and secure. As to "Why not use linux?" more and more they are. Management is becoming aware that there actually is a better alternative to MS, and the rate of companies converting is rapidly growing. It amazes me in my area alone the number of small companies replacing their IIS and Exchange servers. I've even seen some replace their employee's desktops from MS to linux. It's the snowball effect...first the servers are being replaced, next the desktops...you'll see :)
I'd argue that with each year of Windows, we've only seen improvements. does it then follow that there's only a bright future ahead ? If so, how is
Right. I suspect that they aren't terribly worried about getting sued in any of those events :)
cause once the wrong (or right, depending upon what angle your looking from) people read this it will just further confirm how many stupid, gullible people there are to be had out there.
I don't feel sorry for this guy at all. I've seen gamblers in denial that blame any and everything else for the consequences of their actions. He is no different. They refuse to believe that it was a mistake and it's always something or someone else's fault. How many times have you seen a guy losing his shirt at the blackjack table, and the whole time blaming it on the actions of the anchor?! They take the risks and when things go bad they get to the point where they only hope they can just win their money back...which probably explains why he kept giving the scammers more. I believe that deep down this guy knows he's been taken but he's still holding on to the slightest possibility that the money will come through. The other alternative is to admit he's been scammed because of his greed and to face the shame and embarrasment of it all.
The worst part for everyone else is that this is more fuel for the fire. I imagine we can all expect more scam spam in the future now. *sigh*
-Pat
I finally had to give in and purchase a new computer with xp. 2 things that frustrated me right off the bat was the fact that this new computer was way behind on patches, secondly...just how big the patches were I had to download. Even though I'm on highspeed dsl it still took a good 15-20 minutes to download and install all critical updates.
:)
I can just imagine how inexperienced people getting new computers for Christmas will feel, especially on dial up connections. When your excited about a new machine, who wants to spend the first couple of hours just trying to secure the machine before you can even browse to your first website?!
Vendors should be forced to ensure that any computers they sell are already up to date. While we're at it, Microsoft should be forced to ensure that there products aren't so insecure before sales either
Especially in the peak workload category. I seen a lot of ms sql databases working overtime when slammer first came out!
I'm one of many that were turned off of smoothwall for different reasons (rudeness by one of the developers mainly) and chose to go with ipcop. I've never looked back since then nor had a problem with ipcop.
:-)
I hope smoothwall has straightened out some of there earlier problems and is successful but I'll continue using ipcop for the forseeable future.
Both of these projects are absolutely awesome though. They allow you take an old machine and easily turn it into a good firewall/router. I've set up a few now as they have made some computers I picked up from a school useful again. All my ipcop installs go on p2's with 64mg of ram and 3 cheap nics. I can have a firewall/router set up and running in 20 minutes which includes DMZ, NAT, Snort, DHCP, VPN, and a proxy...all easily configured via a web browser over SSL.
These projects are real gems in the OSS world IMHO and I doubt I'll be looking at hardware firewalls in the near future again.
Hat's off to all the developers (except 1) that have been working on these
-Pat
The topic is assumptions, not oxymorons :-)
and if so, almost all of that code is dealing with the logging levels of log4j.
I do realize the difference in both their licenses, but it certainly seems ironic to me that jboss is using an apache project and then complaining that apache (geronimo) is using the same package in almost the same way!
I haven't used log4j in sometime but my recollection is that there are 6 standard levels for logging. This appears like they are both adding an extra level (7) called TRACE that is below the DEBUG level. How many possible, different ways could you do that anyhow?
Wow, lately this is what the linux community sounds like:
linux advocates: we're ready for the desktop!
big corporations: no, not quite yet...
linux advocates: we're ready for the desktop!
big corporations: no, not quite yet...
linux advocates: we're ready for the desktop!
big corporations: no, not quite yet...
linux advocates: we're ready for the desktop!
big corporations: no damnit! Your only good for servers and maybe now kiosks.
What exactly is the holdback anyways? Pretty gui's, drivers, advertising, what?!?
"If you want to make money from your website, then give me a reason to give you money. I'll gladly buy products from you, if they're good products and I like and want to own them. But don't stick ads on your page."
What about sites that don't sell anything? How about sites that provide a service, or information sites? There are many of these sites that exist for the public to use at no cost. In many cases the site may have been put up by someone who just had an interest in a particular subject and wanted to share ideas, info, etc. with other like-minded people. What if that site suddenly gains a lot of traffic and running it on a server from home with a dsl or cable connection is no longer feasible? Do you then start to charge your visitors or do you look at alternative means to offset your running costs?
A simple solution is to place some banner ads on the site. I don't know anyone who makes a ton of money off these, but if it helps offset the cost and isn't abused (more banner ads than content) I see nothing wrong with that. Don't get me wrong, I hate pop-ups and Mozilla blocks them for me, but I can tolerate banner ads. When I do encounter a site that has too many of them I simply leave the site.
Now, if people start using Norton (or other similar programs) and view these sites minus the ads the owner doesn't get any recipication. If everyone does that, the owner has to either find alternative measures to fund the site or has to pay out of pocket for it.
If you want to serve your content, then you're the one picking up the check. If you want me to offset that, then you'll have to find something other than ads, because I refuse to play that game. Take donations, sell coffee mugs, whatever you like.
Say you did this with your tv. You effectively block all commercials and can still view all your favourite shows. Now say that the majority of the public followed your idea and began to do that. Eventually the networks will have to find an alternative source of income and you end up having to pay for all the shows you want. I think that's the long term reality of what your doing, especially if more and more people subscribe to your school of thought.
In the short term you'll browse around ad free, in the long term you'll find yourself complaining that you have to pay for everything on the net and your sick of it. That little banner ad isn't as big a nuisance when you think of it this way.
-Pat
I think they mean "They don't propogate as much because they're not as dunce as our system is...".
All kidding aside, I have no idea how accurate that statement is and wonder what the actual reality of it is. My first instinct is that this is an outlandish exaggeration (more Microsoft marketing FUD) but how can you really tell? Anyone can view *nix code but not everyone can view windows code. Has some unbiased group studied both sources and come to this conclusion?
Maybe Gates was talking all forms of Unix and Linux combined has more vunerabilites than windows...who knows?
-Pat
Out of all the distros out there I personally like debian the best, and this is another reason why. With all the alternatives available to the open source community you have to hand it to Debian for allowing users easy freedom of choice. If you want only free software then don't add contrib or non-free to your sources.list. If you want stability and security on your computer, use woody. If you want new software and don't care if it meets free software definitions, use sid with contrib and non-free.
I have several computers all running debian and each have different setups depending upon what I'm using it for. Debian makes this very easy to do and IMHO, along with apt, is what makes debian better than the other distros. Ultimately this leads to a better separation of choice and still allows anyone to easily configure debian whatever way they want.
-Pat
I've lost count how many times I've removed this damn spyware from friends, family, clients computers only to have them come back in short time with it installed again. How about annoyingware?
Everyone thought Jason vs Freddy would be a good match up. I want to see Jason vs Gator. They both keep coming back from the dead and you just can't seem to get rid of either of them!
"but at least with CF its much easier to connect to a database than with Java, and I've heard argument that PHP is even better than CF."
/ databaseName?user=username&password=password);
Class.forName("the driver").newInstance();
Connection con = DriverManager.getConnection("jdbc:database://host
2 lines for Java, what's so hard about that?
-Pat
"There are only two investors in this deal: BayStar Capital and the Royal Bank of Canada."
:-(
That's my bank
Does that mean I don't have to pay the full $699 now?
Oh, and can anyone recommend another good Canadian bank now? I suddenly don't have as much confidence in my current one's future with business decisions like this!
-Pat
If I sat on it it would respond:
"hey, one person at a time please!"
We'll need a new command called bootuptime! Instead of flaunting 'uptime' to my poor misguided Microsoft user friends, I could ooh and awe them with my incredibly short 'bootuptime' figures.
*Check it out! 3 months ago when I booted up my linux box it only took 5 seconds!*
Not if he's in Canada :-)