I'd agree with you about mandrake if this was their final and official release of version 10.0. However, this is a "community" release which sounds to me a like a nice way of saying beta.
What's the point? Do any of these actually attract more business justifying the efforts of those involved? The only time I ever notice these is when a commercial has to emphasize ".tv" because people are used to going to a.com. ".com" has become a part of most people's vocabulary which makes it's pointless and stupid for marketting monkees to try and change it around. If these companies were smart, they'd stick with.com because that's what people know and are famiar with. I've seen first hand how.tv got out of hand when somebody said how ".tv represents a whole new era of media on the web." He obviously had no clue what he was talking about because it's a damn domain!
This could go on forever though. Including gimp and openoffice makes it even worse. Companies that put these out don't just wake up one morning and decide to compile and release their projects. It takes companies like mandrake a lot of time to put these together and test them. To make a negative about this release that it won't have bleeding edge releases of other software is kind of petty. Besides, most of their users won't care and the ones that do will update their software once the new 3rd party apps come out.
You're forgetting all the hair you'll pull out trying to get some stupid piece of hardware to work in linux by reading a man page. I found myself putzing around with linux a lot more than windows. and what do you mean by doomed databases, lost papers, ect? Those sound like applications, not the operating system to me. And losing files can happen in every operating system when the user doesn't understand how it works. As long as the system is patched regularly and has a firewall and the user knows not to run strange executables, windows will be fine. These problems you speak of originate from poor use of applications, not problems in the windows operating system.
And a lot of people in IT have told me that since windows xp, the number of problems related to the os have been cut down. The only problems most people face is downloading malware that is of their own fault.
I recently visted Ford's design lab. They were working on the 2007 Mustang. Those guys didn't even have the engine designed! I mean what the hell? The car can't even drive for god sakes!
Yeah, but I thought osx was so different almost nothing worked? The changes in sp2 are only going to break some programs that were not coded as best as they should have been. Assuming I'm correct about osx, microsoft isn't forcing every developer to change their code to.NET, just fix code that doesn't handle memory and other components properly.
I don't doubt the possibility that more bugs are found more quickly when lots of people have access to it as opposed to the people working for ATI. But, ATI opening it up to their competitors (even if their licensing alowed it) is more damaging and costly than keeping it inhouse.
"I'm not as much of a Linux Zealot/Communist as you infered from my original post, although I do run Gentoo."
So you're saying that because someone found a bug in windows (surprise fucking surprise), then everything should be open?
I agree with the parent, graphics drivers do a lot more than say modem drivers and probably have a lot of secrets that ati would not want to get out into the open, pun intended. ATI sells hardware, not software. But the software is what makes the hardware run so well and therefore is just as important to them as the hardware. If ATI spends a couple million on research only to have nvidia steal it, it's bad for ATI. Doing this keeps the competition no matter what you communists believe (not you necessarily, but you know what I mean).
Think of apple, they were never to worried about backwards compatibility and their os is more stable because of it. All those programs that weren't compatible with osx had to be updated to ensure they'd work with the changed operating system. True, the change was big because they went to a unix varient, but they still had the balls to tell developers to adjust or lose customers.
Now microsoft has always tried to make it easy to run old programs. Think of how long dos lasted so businesses could use their old proprietary programs. This caused a lot of problems with windows crashing. Windows xp was supposed to fix that shit, but now a new slew of shit has come about. Now what they're saying with sp2 is that they recognize their customers want security and stability over backwards compatibility.
The reason they're finally starting to do this is probably to compete with linux since those people most likely had to leave their old familiar apps with new ones. They see that people would rather deal with the adjustment of a new look and feel over constant reboots.
Now while everyone can point fingers and laugh at.NET, this is very smart for them. It makes it easier and cheaper for developers to make consistant apps in current and future versions of windows. If developers rely on ms code to handle the grunt work and they just do the stuff that makes their program, then they have a lot less overhead. And with microsoft grabbing it's balls and betting on security and stability, they can handle the backend bugs with their updates. True, that requires them to actually patch, but if they start with a much more stable and efficient groundwork, you'll see a lot less patches then now.
Why is this guy a troll? In Jersey, the only thing that is remotely consistant is verizon. Cingular, T-Mobil, and the others have horrible service in the most densely populated state. Sure verizon doesn't have rollover and it's expensive, but hey, you get what you pay for.
If the question asked was: "which program for doing... should I use in windows" and he answered with: "windows?? use linux you retard!" he would have been modded +5 Insightful.
First, we have the government suspend all the patents and copyrights enforced in this country. Then we'll send a secret police out to search for mp3 players that aren't ogg supporters and burn them on sight. Then we'll go to each American's house one at a time and convert their mp3 collection to ogg (I know! I know! but they won't know it's lesser quality cause of the horrible lossy mp3 format). They we will ask the portable music player manufacturers to release their schematics for their products to the open source community or we'll do to them what we did to the crumbling micro$oft and their win-BLOWZ. Once everyone has only oggs on their 'puter and they all own ogg players, we will have one.
Death to WMA and other drm'ed lossy formats! be l33t like me!
Then their competitors copy it and release a dvd player or mp3 player at a cheaper cost because they didn't have to pay for developing the product. Even if they gpl it, asian manufacterers would disregard that and sell cheap mp3 players and such.
I'm not saying this idea of requiring firmware upgrades to get the features you thought you already bought, but that doesn't mean that making the firmware open would change these business practices. This is about having respect for your customers and a knee jerk reaction of saying "make it open" isn't going to fix that. If anything, it'll give the manufacterers an excuse to care less about it cause they can just say "RTFM" to their customers if they have a problem cause it's open source.
Okay, so someone let 1 or 2 go during a test of over 6000 emails. I'd like to see their faces when the testers told them that their mother telling them to enlarge their penis was spam. I'd actually like to see that email that they thought was legitimate but in fact some nigerian asking for $5000 to "buy" $1,000,000
They're suing people who make copyrighted materials available for other people to download. I could go to a store, buy a bunch of cd's, rip them, and make them available on kazaa. The fact that most of the music people are making available was downloaded from someone else doesn't make a difference.
Yes, the RIAA is an evil cartel of music labels forcing out good music for cheap glitter at high prices, but they are within their legal rights to sue. They want to go back to the way things were, they charge whatever they want and people buy it.
Face it, they're an abusive husband. But they do have the right to sue their ex-wife for busting up their pickup truck's windows out
A ticker for linux distros? Shit, that'd be longer than NYSE on the bloomberg channel. I just hope they don't also delay the "quote" 15 minutes or else we might miss one.
Yeah because we're all programmers aren't we. This is like a doctor saying "well I don't know what's wrong with you. Here, take my stethescope and see if you can figure it out." Or maybe instead of doctor, I should say free health clinic. That way when someone complains, I can respond back with "well it's free, what more could you want?"
I remember seeing a commercial when they thought throwing.tv at the end of a web address was going to revolutionize their websites. This guy actually said about how the multimedia on their site was going to stand out and impress their users. This was just more hype to get the internet to become like cable tv. The reason people don't want this is because if they wanted 24 hour survivor and fear factor to give them a lobotomy they'd watch tv. If they want to take a break and say read something they can go on the internet.
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I'd agree with you about mandrake if this was their final and official release of version 10.0. However, this is a "community" release which sounds to me a like a nice way of saying beta.
What's the point? Do any of these actually attract more business justifying the efforts of those involved? The only time I ever notice these is when a commercial has to emphasize ".tv" because people are used to going to a .com. ".com" has become a part of most people's vocabulary which makes it's pointless and stupid for marketting monkees to try and change it around. If these companies were smart, they'd stick with .com because that's what people know and are famiar with. I've seen first hand how .tv got out of hand when somebody said how ".tv represents a whole new era of media on the web." He obviously had no clue what he was talking about because it's a damn domain!
This could go on forever though. Including gimp and openoffice makes it even worse. Companies that put these out don't just wake up one morning and decide to compile and release their projects. It takes companies like mandrake a lot of time to put these together and test them. To make a negative about this release that it won't have bleeding edge releases of other software is kind of petty. Besides, most of their users won't care and the ones that do will update their software once the new 3rd party apps come out.
Thank you buddy, I figured it would be funny because Linux distros make constant releases while microsoft delays and delays and delays.
This is good and all, but when's longhorn comming out? And more importantly, who's going to have the torrent for it?
This is what's going through the mind of someone at redmond right now...
"With that much ram, I won't have to worry about fixing the memory leaks!"
You're forgetting all the hair you'll pull out trying to get some stupid piece of hardware to work in linux by reading a man page. I found myself putzing around with linux a lot more than windows. and what do you mean by doomed databases, lost papers, ect? Those sound like applications, not the operating system to me. And losing files can happen in every operating system when the user doesn't understand how it works. As long as the system is patched regularly and has a firewall and the user knows not to run strange executables, windows will be fine. These problems you speak of originate from poor use of applications, not problems in the windows operating system.
And a lot of people in IT have told me that since windows xp, the number of problems related to the os have been cut down. The only problems most people face is downloading malware that is of their own fault.
linux.org
(I'm only doing this to see if I get +5 Insightful)
Na, I used to work for microsoft and that was discouraged. I once through in a comment of: //this allows the NSA to gain access to the computer
and they fired me.
I recently visted Ford's design lab. They were working on the 2007 Mustang. Those guys didn't even have the engine designed! I mean what the hell? The car can't even drive for god sakes!
Yeah, but I thought osx was so different almost nothing worked? The changes in sp2 are only going to break some programs that were not coded as best as they should have been. Assuming I'm correct about osx, microsoft isn't forcing every developer to change their code to .NET, just fix code that doesn't handle memory and other components properly.
I don't doubt the possibility that more bugs are found more quickly when lots of people have access to it as opposed to the people working for ATI. But, ATI opening it up to their competitors (even if their licensing alowed it) is more damaging and costly than keeping it inhouse.
:)
"I'm not as much of a Linux Zealot/Communist as you infered from my original post, although I do run Gentoo."
I'm not going to touch that one
So you're saying that because someone found a bug in windows (surprise fucking surprise), then everything should be open?
I agree with the parent, graphics drivers do a lot more than say modem drivers and probably have a lot of secrets that ati would not want to get out into the open, pun intended. ATI sells hardware, not software. But the software is what makes the hardware run so well and therefore is just as important to them as the hardware. If ATI spends a couple million on research only to have nvidia steal it, it's bad for ATI. Doing this keeps the competition no matter what you communists believe (not you necessarily, but you know what I mean).
Think of apple, they were never to worried about backwards compatibility and their os is more stable because of it. All those programs that weren't compatible with osx had to be updated to ensure they'd work with the changed operating system. True, the change was big because they went to a unix varient, but they still had the balls to tell developers to adjust or lose customers.
.NET, this is very smart for them. It makes it easier and cheaper for developers to make consistant apps in current and future versions of windows. If developers rely on ms code to handle the grunt work and they just do the stuff that makes their program, then they have a lot less overhead. And with microsoft grabbing it's balls and betting on security and stability, they can handle the backend bugs with their updates. True, that requires them to actually patch, but if they start with a much more stable and efficient groundwork, you'll see a lot less patches then now.
Now microsoft has always tried to make it easy to run old programs. Think of how long dos lasted so businesses could use their old proprietary programs. This caused a lot of problems with windows crashing. Windows xp was supposed to fix that shit, but now a new slew of shit has come about. Now what they're saying with sp2 is that they recognize their customers want security and stability over backwards compatibility.
The reason they're finally starting to do this is probably to compete with linux since those people most likely had to leave their old familiar apps with new ones. They see that people would rather deal with the adjustment of a new look and feel over constant reboots.
Now while everyone can point fingers and laugh at
Remember guys, microsoft isn't stupid.
Why is this guy a troll? In Jersey, the only thing that is remotely consistant is verizon. Cingular, T-Mobil, and the others have horrible service in the most densely populated state. Sure verizon doesn't have rollover and it's expensive, but hey, you get what you pay for.
... should I use in windows" and he answered with: "windows?? use linux you retard!" he would have been modded +5 Insightful.
If the question asked was: "which program for doing
Let's see if I can get -1 flamebait for this one!
Nope, the RIAA will sue you because it contains an mp3 player and therefor you intended to pirate music and rob poor britney spears.
First, we have the government suspend all the patents and copyrights enforced in this country. Then we'll send a secret police out to search for mp3 players that aren't ogg supporters and burn them on sight. Then we'll go to each American's house one at a time and convert their mp3 collection to ogg (I know! I know! but they won't know it's lesser quality cause of the horrible lossy mp3 format). They we will ask the portable music player manufacturers to release their schematics for their products to the open source community or we'll do to them what we did to the crumbling micro$oft and their win-BLOWZ. Once everyone has only oggs on their 'puter and they all own ogg players, we will have one.
Death to WMA and other drm'ed lossy formats!
be l33t like me!
I'm going to go back to VHS in protest. Take that microsoft! I'm watching my nerdy sci-fi movies on my vcr from now on. Who's with me?
No.
Then their competitors copy it and release a dvd player or mp3 player at a cheaper cost because they didn't have to pay for developing the product.
Even if they gpl it, asian manufacterers would disregard that and sell cheap mp3 players and such.
I'm not saying this idea of requiring firmware upgrades to get the features you thought you already bought, but that doesn't mean that making the firmware open would change these business practices. This is about having respect for your customers and a knee jerk reaction of saying "make it open" isn't going to fix that. If anything, it'll give the manufacterers an excuse to care less about it cause they can just say "RTFM" to their customers if they have a problem cause it's open source.
Yeah, how many people know what the correct kernel is and how the hell to compile it?
Okay, so someone let 1 or 2 go during a test of over 6000 emails. I'd like to see their faces when the testers told them that their mother telling them to enlarge their penis was spam. I'd actually like to see that email that they thought was legitimate but in fact some nigerian asking for $5000 to "buy" $1,000,000
They're suing people who make copyrighted materials available for other people to download. I could go to a store, buy a bunch of cd's, rip them, and make them available on kazaa. The fact that most of the music people are making available was downloaded from someone else doesn't make a difference.
Yes, the RIAA is an evil cartel of music labels forcing out good music for cheap glitter at high prices, but they are within their legal rights to sue. They want to go back to the way things were, they charge whatever they want and people buy it.
Face it, they're an abusive husband. But they do have the right to sue their ex-wife for busting up their pickup truck's windows out
A ticker for linux distros? Shit, that'd be longer than NYSE on the bloomberg channel. I just hope they don't also delay the "quote" 15 minutes or else we might miss one.
Yeah because we're all programmers aren't we. This is like a doctor saying "well I don't know what's wrong with you. Here, take my stethescope and see if you can figure it out." Or maybe instead of doctor, I should say free health clinic. That way when someone complains, I can respond back with "well it's free, what more could you want?"
I remember seeing a commercial when they thought throwing .tv at the end of a web address was going to revolutionize their websites. This guy actually said about how the multimedia on their site was going to stand out and impress their users. This was just more hype to get the internet to become like cable tv. The reason people don't want this is because if they wanted 24 hour survivor and fear factor to give them a lobotomy they'd watch tv. If they want to take a break and say read something they can go on the internet.