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New Net Battle Over ".mobile" Looming
John IPsen writes "A group of big companies, including Nokia, Vodafone and Microsoft, today applied to ICANN to have a new ".mobile" domain in the next round of new Internet domains for connecting phones and PDAs to the Internet. But while they say they aren't aware of any competition, it seems that some others have been preparing their bids for a lot longer and a big battle may be brewing. More here."
Right where it belongs, along with
Trolling is a art,
Where's .biloxi and .tuscaloosa ?
Don't blame Durga. I voted for Centauri.
Why not continure the 'tradition' of 3 letter TLDS and use .mob? It's even descriptive of the companies trying to push this through...
TODO: Something witty here...
Am I the only one who thinks a 5-digit TLD is just too long to type in using the keypad on a cell phone?
I think the domain .nerd should be reserved for Slashdot readers.
This is too much fun! Can I be the first to register olds.mobile? hupp.mobile? auto.mobile? alexander.calder.mobile.hangs.in.a.museum?? semi.mobile? quasi.mobile.rang.notre.dame.bells? Can the .matic domain be far behind?
Mobile devices don't need their own TLD for DNS names. Just what's wrong with with using the existing ones?
Personally I dont think there needs to be another .anything right now. what good is .mobile gonna do? rather than be the next haven for spammers, stupid vhosts, and other useless junk..
I'd say .mob would be better but this guy might already own it.
This guy is way out there
0.0.0.0 slashdot.org
oh yeah. the last thing i need to address from my phone is a longer TLD.
rcpt to: path@sprint.mbolie^H^H^H^H^H
501 5.5.6 You're an IDIOT
CRAP!
501 5.5.7 That doesn't work either.
rcpt to: path@sprunt.mlobie^H^H^H^H
501 5.5.8 Nope. Not even close.
rcpt to: path@sprint.mobil
501 5.5.9Try Exxon
ad nauseum.
Is there something wrong with .mbl? I don't see why we have to spell the whole thing out: the existing TLDs are all blissfully concise.
Long TLDS distract from the domain names themselves: which looks better, www.slashdot.org or www.slashdot.nonprofitorganization?
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This soulds like one of the extensions sold by alternative root new.net. Basically, they claim right to many 'unused' top level names. (such as .tech, .church, .club, .inc, and many more) If/when any of these names wants to be made official, they will most likely claim that since they registered a bunch of them, and since they have their plugin installed on millions of spyware infested computers and partnered with many isps, their registry will have authority for many anyway.
Anybody notice that the "More here..." article is the same URL as the other link in the summary?
They don't need a .mobile domain to connect their phones and PDAs to the internet, don't they? ;-)
m ber.orgh onenumber.tv
Like it will matter, people will just continue to find unique domains and register stuff like
myphonenumber.com
myphonenumber.net
myphonenu
myphonenumber.biz
myphonenumber.cc
myp
myphonenumber.de
myphonenumber.mx
Because, what if, forbid, someone just randomly types in myphonenumber.mx, but doesn't try myphonenumber.com. Oh no!
Right you are. Biloxi is in Alabama just as Spartanburg is in North Carolina.
Unless it is restricted, sites associated with the city of Mobile will likely want to get domains at this TLD, just like those television sites use the Tuvalu country (.tv) domain.
Don't blame Durga. I voted for Centauri.
I don't know if it is a good idea. Our company website has the .ws domain. When I give people our website address, they always ask: dot what? becasue they always expect .com or .net.
microsoft.mobile
microsoftsucks.mobile
heck, even mikerowesoft.mobile
According to the article this namesapce is strictly for mobile devices. The actual TLD has not decided yet. This is going to be a namespace for your mobile number for instance bob.jones.cingular.mobile will be your mobile phone or wifi address. Well let us see how this one plays out.
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These companies need to do anything they can do to get more mobile data use out of their networks, hardware and software. Margins on voice traffic are dropping and will continue to drop, hastened by VoIP, so how to make up for lost revenue? Pretty soon a large chunk of high-margin international calling traffic will be VoIP, which basically means flat rate, which means... no more big bucks for ATT, etc. By selling new services, like wireless data the carriers can save themselves (they hope). Another problem for Nokia and friends is that handsets are starting to be manufactured in China, and Nokia will not be able to build plain old voice handsets at competitive prices, so it needs to get away from the commoditized market of voice handsets, which means it needs better entertainment abilities, which means wireless data. A TLD could really fit into that. The wireless web has great potential but consumer awareness is poor, because there aren't any good ways for consumers to identify mobile content and there aren't any easy ways for websites to produce mobile content without learning a bunch of new technologies. Well, there are some ways to do it now...
Why do we need more TLDs? Especially for commercial uses when the mega-corps already insist that if they own a .com domain then it is their right to have the .ca, .biz, .any ... domains aswell. Just seems like more wasted money on squatting an litigation.
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I hear the American Thumb Rehabilitation Association is the real force behind this domain name.
Great, now spammers are going to create exploits for phones and PDAs as relays for their filth. I wonder how many e-mails a zombie Pocket PC can crank out before the the user sees a $10,000 for bandwidth usage? I guess the antivirus indusry will see a nice boost in revenues for AV for Blackberrys, Palms, PocketPCs, Symbian phones, etc.
Two wrongs don't make a right, but three lefts do.
QWERTY, or something similar, in mobile phones (and some PDA's) is still rare for most of us. Typing .mobile with a keypad on a mobile phone would take like, 14 keypresses... I suggest that they they change it to .mob, .mo, or .m, for more pleasant surfing.
Domains outside of .com|.org|.gov|.mil?
Weird.
Hrm, sounds interesting, I can't wait to host a website from my cellphone, WWW.SOB.MOBILE
Isn't this going to make it easier for spammers to target cellphones?
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The TechWorld piece touches on how there may be a limit connection between mobile and the Internet. It appears that there's potentially a lot more to it than that.
the Goatsemobile.....classic.
Let's see if anyone tailgates THAT one.
They are the only benevolent megacorp around here!
Does anybody else get the feeling that the author has no idea what the issue is? Of course if the industry group has a good idea they should create .mobile (or .mob as some /.'ers have suggested) but they should not get exclusive control over it. Instead of discussing this very important issue, they're off on some tangent discussing an imaginary showdown with a different group. The issue is not WHO gets control, ICANN should retain control over .mobile. The issue is WHAT are the planning to use the domain for.
Shado.mobile
Now, that might be a cool URL after all. I say we also register a TLD named "Alpha" so we can have moonbase.alpha
Hrmmm. You think Gerry Anderson would mind?
If telephones are outlawed, then only outlaws will have telephones.
"8005551212@messaging.nextel.com" works fine for me, and I don't think we need a ".mobile" until someone shows a very good reason to make one.
1) It's a lot of letters to type. .info already did possibly)
2) http://nextel.mobile/ just looks weird as hell.
3) It will break some applications (more than
4) I don't believe that it's necessary (or even convenient for a significant number of people)
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That is something I've been asking for a while. The only relatively pure TLD is .edu, the rest of the TLDs mean absolutely nothing. .com can mean anything. I especially get pissed when I search for something to buy, see that its from a .com domain, and its a british site. I don't have anything against the brits, its just that the currency is different from mine and I would imagine that international transatlantic shipping for a $10 doodad is a bit much. Slashdot has both slashdot.org and slashdot.com. It used to be that the .com didn't forward you .org, but that appears to have changed.
I think that DNS names should be sold by NAME.anything and they are forced to pick one TLD from the list, and then entering the TLD would be optional.
I'm first in line for t.mobile!
A .toilet TLD? .fridge TLD?
.mobile?
A
Do we really need a
The late 1990s called. They want their business model back!
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Thanks! almost forgot..
Why should a single corporate entity control an entire TLD?
.microsoft or Nokia wanted .nokia, but even then-- why waste the resources of the top-level DNS servers for something which will only serve to benefit one company?
.COM/.NET and over the DNS system in general (kof kof SITEFINDER kof kof), but now they want to start giving entire freaking TLDs over to companies wholesale?
I can 'kinda' understand if Microsoft wanted
This is absolutely disgusting. It's bad enough that Verisign/NetworkSolutions/whatever has such control over
This is bullshit!
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As the article points out, its 45K to apply and well over 1 million to complete the process and get everything setup. But what about the individual and openness? I for one would like my own personal andrew.mobile... or maybe even andrew.myisp.mobile. After all, I have number portability now. Why not also have domain portability in regards to my wireless equipment? Wouldn't it be nice to switch providers... whether of my 3G network or my 802.11b, but keep my andrew.myisp.mobile and my phone number?
.mobile root server possibly running on Windows???
Also... not sure how many others were bothered by the presence of M$ on the committee. Don't they have enough of their toes in enough industries? Now they want to be part of the control of the TLD for the mobile space??? Add up the net-worth of all the companies involved and M$ has the most $$$ which means they have the most strongarm potential. This isn't meant as a flame war, but rather a call for each of us to submit our opinions to ICANN about the presence of M$ (who isn't really a telco-type company... but just a software company) on the committee. If M$ is going to be onboard (as a s/w company), so should Trolltech and Palm and some of the other more *open* vendors who's software are also used in mobile devices. Otherwise, all I see is yet another entity that M$ can bully its way around, not to mention the fear of the
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.MOB
...
Try being late in your fees at pay.mob
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Anyone remember the hype around new.net (or lack thereof) -- what a joke of a company..
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I just love them. Always with me, total freedom to screen my calls and I can always place a call wherever I am and whenever I want.
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The final battle between awsome and evil as fortold by StrongBad-strodamus!!!!
... I want .backbreakinglyheavy and .oldrefrigerator as well!
they should shorten it like they did for commercial and government.
Oh, wait...
This is not my sig.
Were's the bid from the double wide owners of the world... now THAT would make for an interesting battle.
.mob
That would just be plain cool. vinnie.mob and lefty.mob would be great domains.
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Phone numbers already are globally unique, so there is no need to have second-level domain names within a mobile TLD. Having carriers or hardware makers involved is only counterproductive. We don't need any more vendor lock-in opportunities.
... globally available free access to MY cellphone for the purpose of delivering messages sounds like an open door for yet more spam. Phonenumber.mbl is just too easy.
On the other hand
Oh what the heck - let them have a TLD of their own. As a matter of fact, I'm willing to sacrifice .biz and give that to the mobile community. After all, has anyone ever received an email from a .biz address that wasn't spam? It might as well be transformed to something usefull. Besides, it's short and easy to type using T9 completion.
I got bat.mobile, woot!
Maybe I'm being ignorant here, but what do cell phones and PDAs need with DNS names anyway? What are people running on them that they need a special domain to handle all the demand for? I guess if I had a DNS name I could see whether my cell phone could handle a Slashdotting... "Grab the latest Fedora ISOs from my cell phone -- http://experiment626.attwireless.mobile". Most people don't even run servers from their home PCs that they need domain names for, what are they going to do on PDAs and cell phones? I guess it would be fun to ftp to cowboyneal.cingular.mobile and see what ring tones he has or something.
I'm Batman. I'm the first one registering for bat.mobile
If anyone tries to cybersquat, he'll get a batarang up his batusi.
...and move to 110 digit phone numbers. Some people already dial that many to save Save SAVE two and a half cents a minute on their vital long distance calls. Read that in some spam mail, so I know it's true. With the uber-numbers, we won't run out or worry about addressing all the cell phones until the next 3-brane collides with out universe and triggers another Big Bang.
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I want to be the first to register bat.mobile
Agent K: A *person* is smart. People are dumb, stupid, panicky animals, and you know it.
...just like mobile trailer parks are the first to be hit by tornados and damaged the most by hurricanes, the .mobile domain would be the first hit by virsus and worms.
.mobile domain seems confusing as the world becomes more pervasive. As we become more familiar (alright, people other than /. readers) with the integration of technologies, we don't care where it ("data") comes from or how it gets there, just that we got it. So creating a .mobile domain seems counter intuitive...do we care if it's a mobile device or old iron, just that we got the data.
.trusted and .untrusted domains
Now that that is out of the way, the
I would much rather see
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ICANN charges a non-refundable $45,000 for an application, and the total cost of developing a proper bid is reckoned to run into millions
.mobile, guess what, they can add it to Internet Explorer and the new TLD will exist literally overnight. I'd actually be in favor of this horrible break of standards because it would teach everyone a valuable lesson that these precious root servers are modern feudalism and we serfs should wise up and go form our own government and let the 14 non-elected lords go out and dig up their own turnips.
What better way to foster innovation and good ideas than to make sure the barrier to entry is so unbelievably high that even three of the largest corporations on the planet --combined-- are thought to have "barely" a chance at floating a few new letters through cyberspace?
There's articifical scarcity, then there is intellegence scarcity. Five years after ICANN's creation, we still have (for all intents and purposes) no new TLDs. How many meetings in Hawaii and Barbados has that taken?
If Microsoft wants
-JoeShmoe
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I currently have a lot of people emailing me, currently at the phone of [phone number]@tmomail.com for tmobile. That, however, requires that people know what my provider is. When I switch (number portability act) it will change. If I could register [number].mobile, it would be kind of neat.
Assuming was have an answer to the spam problem. I'd love to see governments make a useful pre-emptive strike, declare ANY form of communication (email, SMS, etc) with cell phones with a strict opt-in as illegal. Will never happen....
Never thought about this before, but forget about just mobile phones... applying DNS(-ish stuff) along with Voice Recognition software, posibly off-site, would be nice to have eventually. Pick up the phone, "Call jacksmith at aol", phone number gets looked up and dialed.... Why on earth are we still using phone numbers?
:)
I wonder if I'll be marked as a troll for this.
Abolish .com .org .net .biz etc .info and .name with a flame-thrower.
.com.us .org.us .com.uk
.us and ibm.com.uk if you are in the uk etc......
.com for the whole world
... still saying "all the cool domains are taken."
And terminate
Create
etc
Have, for example, ibm.com map to ibm.com.us if you are in the
The only reason me need more TLDs is because we have only 1
Make Pepsi register in every country they trade in.....
I can see it now, in the year 2050 when we live on mars and Europa
Type unto others as you would have them type unto you.
Not to be cynical but so what? Perhaps I am stupid (high probability), but I don't even use all of the TLD's we have now. In my little internet world, I am pretty much limited to .com, .edu, .gov, and .org. Not because I want to be, rather, I just haven't found a need to use/find the others.
.tv or .info, etc.
In fact, I can't think of a single instance in the last 3 years where I have used a "new" TLD like
Is anyone really using these or am I just out of the loop?
Back when I first heard about Slashdot I went to slashdot.com and got nothing. Hmm, must be brok...hey wait... slashdot.org BINGO!!!
Welcome to Slashdot!
Just getting there was the first test. Much less crap was posted back in the "Good Old Days".
Oh well... flame away all you really old people with the 3 and 4 digit UID's. I know, I'm still a newbie. *grin*
I only look human.
My mother is a halfling and my dad is an ogre, so that makes me an Ogreling
I just bought an island/country named MobileLand, now what crappy domain are my beautiful people going to be forced to use if .mobile is taken? Oh, I'll just wait five years then sue...
Okay, I'll admit that I actually read the articles before posting but this one was odd. I got confused after reading half of the first sentence.
Some of the biggest players in the mobile industry, including Nokia, Vodafone and Microsoft
Microsoft? I did not know they are one of the biggest players in the phone industry. Did anyone else know this?
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This is just another scam to get money from suckers' wallets. We have more than enough domain names as is. Domain registries are good money makers. After all, they're basically selling hot air. There's practically no overhead other than setting up a few DNS servers.
Dot coms will always rule.
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im.mobile
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"Outlook not so good." That magic 8-ball knows everything! I'll ask about Exchange Server next.
Why not standardize on mobile.microsoft.com
mobile.nokia.com
it is a natural progression to use the prefix not the suffix. Just like www and ftp and other protocols. I don't get it
I tried for 5 years to come up with a clever sig...only to realize that I am not clever.
It's easier to type ".mbl" instead of ".mobile"
thus staying with the current 3 character TLD's
I for one welcome our new useless TLD overlords, and offer the following suggestions for other new TLDs. .annoyingfangirlblog .dumbtoilethumorpage .webcomicwithlessthantenreaders .reallybadfanfiction
This way real TLDs people actually want will not be taken up by wasteful webpages.
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What a great idea. Let's make it even easier for spam to clog up our mobile devices. It'll take about 50 milliseconds after this domain goes online before spammers are SMS'ing everything in creation.
$x='S24;r)>63/* h@<5+oZ)32"5cz';$me='phroggy'x$];
$x=~y+ -xz+\0-Tx+;print$_^chop$me for split'',$x;
I think .mobile is too long. Why don't they just make it simple on us and go with .mob?
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I would like to have a .ppl (or .me) or some similar TLD for personal pages. (individuals only)
.mail TLD with several large established mail servers on the .mail TLD which all mail runs through (encrypted) and has some verification system built in which eliminates spam.
.coms to block it all based on TLD). .po or something for mail systems - maybe requiring some sort of adherance to installation of non-relaying systems based on agreed standards... or something to that effect)
And a
The whole TLD system is pretty lame as it stands now due to the lack of adherance to any sort of standard.
Standard classes should be established and sites should agree to adhere to those classes.
-.com - company commercial sites.
-.org - NFPs and other groups that are not commercially oriented.
-.xxx - (or something sim to put all porn and easily allow
-.kid - (or something sim to put youth oriented sites).
-.ppl - individuals websites blogs etc.
-.net - isps and carriers - including mobiles like nokia and other cellular comapnies.
-.mail (or
-.med?
shouldnt need to be much larger than this - but this would make organizing of information (and thus navigation) on the web smoother...
Obviously there is some headache in making a transition of this sort - but only complain because you are lazy - think about the long term implications of applying a logical hiararchy to information destinations, as opposed to the fleeting pain it will cause at a site that likely wont be around for an extended period of time.
ICANN charges a non-refundable $45,000 for an application, and the total cost of developing a proper bid is reckoned to run into millions. That certainly shoots down my idea of requesting a .dork top level domain!
"Freedom means freedom for everybody" -- Dick Cheney
I call first dibs on the bat.mobile domain name!
"Freedom means freedom for everybody" -- Dick Cheney
What I'd like to see is some small number of .TLDs to be administered solely by volunteers with SLDs handed out for free.
.gnu or .fsf might be given to the FSF to be run by whatever organization they delegate. .free would be another good one. Any suggestions for a third?
Get ICANN to approve that and bail out of the loop. Then we can put our ideology and resources to the test.
I'd say you'd need three of 'em, administered by three separate organizations, to insure that internal problems (such as resource exhaustion or faction fights) don't imperil the availability of servce. (Just like you need a minimum of three, not two, cell carriers in a region to have real competition.)
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Which makes me immediately think of my (accursed) 2.4GHz cordless house phone or my (interfered with) WiFi.
As a motorcycling fending off idiots every commute: .distractedDriver
.annoyingYuppie?
Perhaps it would better be
Though I DO like .5 (or .6 - see below) :)
IPv6
They can have a TLD, but it must not be populated with ANYTHING in the IPv4 name space. eg: .mobile space.
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tall to play in the
I understand DNS fairly well enough. There are several (13-ish last I read) TLD nameservers out there in various spots which manage all the DNS traffic in a hiarachtical fashion, rather straight forward....
What I DONT understand is how ICANN can manage to make everyone think that no other options are available.
Would it not be fairly (menaing without considerable time and expense) easly to setup a peer TLD DNS system with TLDs that we, users of the internet elect and implement.
imagine this scenario:
Various entities with dedicated bandwidth (like a large site like slashdot) setup a vTLD server (virtual TLD server)
A modified DNS client is created to use the vTLD server, and names are registered.
As long as you have the IP of the vTLD and - you can lookup the name of the new site...
Charge 2 bux for a vTLD domain - and make the model open enough to where classes of vTLDs can be identified over time so as to make the compartmentalization of site types easier...
ween our self off of ICANN and other entities that no longer represent the best way to anage information on the internet.
Come shoot holes in this - or flesh it out please...
I have an idea. Let's make a domain for something that's known for being the most difficult device to input data into. Let's make it something sadistically long & difficult to type in, especially on phones without that automagic word guess thingy... I know... 6 666 22 444 555 33 (mobile) or 662453 ought to be hard enough to input! Perfect idea...
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What's the point? Do any of these actually attract more business justifying the efforts of those involved? The only time I ever notice these is when a commercial has to emphasize ".tv" because people are used to going to a .com. ".com" has become a part of most people's vocabulary which makes it's pointless and stupid for marketting monkees to try and change it around. If these companies were smart, they'd stick with .com because that's what people know and are famiar with. I've seen first hand how .tv got out of hand when somebody said how ".tv represents a whole new era of media on the web." He obviously had no clue what he was talking about because it's a damn domain!
call it .mob or is that registered to SCO
Would the Internet have been the success it is if to visit this website I had to type slashdot.organization?
A cellular phone is a mobile phone. A mobile phone is not necessarily a cellular phone. Mobile phones existed before the invention and deployment of cellular technology.
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No, ".mob" would be much better; has a much better...ring to it.
Hey, why dont they just apply for a NewDOTNet domain? That way i can be pulling their LSP borking spyware shit out of my phone as well! Do they really need a special tld, let alone one thats twice as long as our current ones. Doesnt wap retreive its own special file for an index page anyway? index.wml , Hence why you can go to google.com on your phone and not get a giant page of unrendered garbage. Cant site owners just stick to using this method?
Oh, this article has to do with mobile phones. I saw the words "New Net", "battle", and a nonexistant TLD, and got the wrong idea.
Caveat Emptor is not a business model.
"I wonder how many e-mails a zombie Pocket PC can crank out before the the user sees a $10,000 for bandwidth usage?"
Pocket PC? The battery will be empty before message number six...
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Ah, this whole thing brings back some memories about furor over some of the unilateral actions of the Philippine ccTLD administrator, Joel Disini. He once tried to market the .PH domain as .PHone and make it do essentially the same thing that these industry bigwigs are trying to do with their .mobile. From the people who signed NDA's to see the technology in action, he apparently succeeded. However, his use of the domain in such a unilateral fashion drew heavy criticism from the Philippine Internet community, and it never was actually deployed.
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Ive recently started to receive spam text messages on my phone. Sprint is my carrier.
He went to school in Mississippi so how would he know?
Me too, and me too. This has been a fact of life in Europe and Asia for quite a while from what I understand, and only recently has it started up here too.
My question is, where the hell are they getting the numbers from?
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What should a flash mob use other than .mob?
The reason that this is a bad idea, is because the domain name system is based on a simple name/address lookup scheme, and most (but not all) application level protocols run on top of this abstraction layer. The notable exceptions are mail, and and some security applications, but these are due to either the need to integrate (security) or lookup (mail routing).
How you return a web page, in what format, and when is application level, and only one application. It seems like there a lot more interesting ideas for new domains, especially since this could be handled better through the actual application protocols themselves. The wireless industries should spend this money instead on developing a good scheme/best practice/set of tools to help developers produce good mobile site code. The problem is not finding mobile sites, it's developing them.
How about Mobile Wide Web?
Instead of www.whatever.com do mww.whatever.com????? Or, even www.whatever.mww
You could use the existing infrastructure for mww.whatever.com and companies just make sure their mww.whatever.com host points to the mobile content.... save a ton of money and reengineering costs.
This just shows how short sited technology marketing people can be. There is nothing inherently special about accessing the web from a mobile device.
That's very perceptive of you Mr Stapleton and rather unexpected in a G Major
what pocket PC do you use ;p mine does terminal services (remote desktop) over wifi for over an hour easy ;/
I do not use pocket PC because it battery drains that fast. My palm works 11 hours on end before it needs a charge.
Too many manufacturers seem to think that a 1 to 3 hour continuous usage is good enough for a pda...
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