For me, Gentoo. So guessing, based on other responces, maybe six months before it's in the stable x86 and PPC.
Guess on the RPM based distros? When will we see the GCC4.RPM file precompiled with GCC4?
(Please no portage overlay responces)
The Mozilla suite replaces Internet Explorer, FrontPage/DreamWeaver, mIRC, Eudora/Outlook, your (or your work's) calendar tools and your kitchen sink.......
When people ask why Linux on the desktop is not as big a success as Firefox the answer is not the merits, but the ease of the switch. I think (hope) we've all realized that it's not the technical merits that drive adoption of software.
I personally use Firefox over Apple Safari but stick with Mac's Mail.app because it's a lot of work to switch, and I'd say it's on par with Thunderbird.
Sorry great (and very wise) Debian people, but I think distros should go with RPMs or BSD style ports. Apt-get and.deb's kinda sit in the middle and are only used by Debian and it's clones. *duck*
Conversly, if Red Hat could obsorb something into Gnome (or ditch it) we'd be better for it on all fronts. Maybe LookingGnomelass? (I know that's impossible)
Google's redundancy theory works on a meta level, as well, according to Hoelzle. One literal meltdown -- a fire at a datacenter in an undisclosed location -- brought out six fire trucks but didn't crash the system.
"You don't have just one data center," he said, "you have multiples."
The real idea behind Google Maps is so that as the server catches fire it use it's last cycles to send an eMail to the nearest fire cheif and include a map. I think it would also throw in a GMail invite for incentive.
I don't think AOL are too concerned about having an open standard, blah blah.... I think they see VoIP and Skype as the next bet thing and want to get people like Vonage to use AIM IDs to call people.
You can do this now with 3rd party systyems like iChat and Macromedia Flash's lattest derivative Breeze.
I read this far. The parent was high enough for me.
I would agree that you should get your hands on Fedora. (And one day you'll end up on Gentoo). In the install screen you'll want to install Apache, PHP and mySQL and install that. (...and before you get to that screen, whatever it proposes for drive partition is probably fine, in linux you need to define the amount of space for memory to overflow to) - A quick Google found this guys guide: http://www.johnmunsch.com/articles/FedoraCoreGetti ngStarted/
Those crazy Linux commands can be dificult to learn, though powerfull. Are you going to be near this box a lot? If not it might help you to learn more about VNC and use the GUI interface remotely over the network - it functions like Remote Desktop.
Lastly, it's not really forking. At the moment their just diffrent implementations of the same standards. The linux distros are closer together on 'the linux standard' than Netscape and IE were on HTML.
Granted, the clock probably has more to do with the heat than the chip itself, but I don't foresee any plans for IBM to slow the clock speed of their products, they seem to be more worried about hitting the 3 GHz mark and the new 90 nM chip barrier. IBM and Apple will want to make a mobile G5 chip that is about 6 months behind the desktop speed, not two years. Also, Apple will not want to sell mobile G5s with serious reductions from the Power desktop line while the G4 is still viable at the same performance level. That said, this is all based on single core logic, double cores might mean a reduced G5 clock speed or equal clock speeds in a G4s.
All indications are that the 64bit G5 chip is denser than the G4, and yes, would run hotter than a G5. That said, this sounds like a great head-to-head: the original one CPU G5 Tower Vs. the new PB.
The G5's have more circits on each board than a G4 and are about to get even more. That means more heat in a smaller space, and this is why the G5 case is a big wind tunnel. At the moment a PowerBook has NO FANS spinning when not under load, the G5 graduation of fan speeds has no zero.
Also the current G4 is a very good low power chip and the Mac Mini just demonstrates how much more life Apple thinks they can get out it or that they want to ensure the demand for the G4 stays hi to help with further development.
Lastly, you really should have said "I think you're the one with too much hot air".
Anyone remember the old Compaq laptops with the track ball on the inside of the screen and the clickers on the outside?
I must have been pretty bad for lefties, and having the clickers on the outside of the case dictaed the the machine be kept in a case. Plus every scrolling wheel system needs to be cleaned from time to time.
Still, it was way better than Nicholas Negroponte's mid-keyboard nubbn'.
Are there any other big time Mac heads out there that are tired of their Mac-curious fridends asking when the G5 PB will come out? Or saying not to buy now because the G5 PB is just around the corner.
Knowing that the number five comes after four is not a major insight into Apple's product cycle. Anyway, to summarize my trolling on my own post: I feel vindicated.
The Scrolling Trackpad looks just like my scrolling track pad. Hmmm, I wonder if I can get my Side Track style scrolling back via Software Upadte?.....Nope, Nothing there. I don't want to pay $15 for the feture rich Side Track application just to scroll with my track pad, and Windows track pad can do that. That said, it is a good App. I'll give Apple a week.
Not surprising that Apple would do this. They needed to keep the line fresh while they attempt the Herculean task of getting a super hot, server-oriented G5 chip into a PowerBook.
From the article: "So far, each Mac OS X update has improved performance, an admirable trend that we expect to continue."
I remember I became a switcher just as 10.2 was coming out and all the Mac boards had these old graphics industry people going on about OSX being slower than OS9, and how good OS9 was...... OS 9 was never good.
But that first Mac I had was a G3 PowerBook, and sure enough, as the new OSs came out it just got faster!
I guess that's a function of the opensource core, people writting good code. Period. Not just writting stuff to work well on what the have in the pipe.
The same way we got a treatment for not being able to get an erection: make sure it affects a lot of rich, white, American men. We'll have a cure in no time!
I joke, but many a true hath been spoke in jest.
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From Mactopia.com (NOT Macworld, I know): "Find out how Internet Explorer 5 for Mac can show you the Internet in new, exciting ways."
Wow, IE 5, I've been waiting to see what the Internet would look like fresh technology like that. Will it match my brand new blueberry iBook?
I have a PowerBook, I really like OSX - but I've tried not to Drink the Coolaid. So, can the Mac haters point out what the Apple brand is still missing (other than market share)?
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For me, Gentoo. So guessing, based on other responces, maybe six months before it's in the stable x86 and PPC. Guess on the RPM based distros? When will we see the GCC4.RPM file precompiled with GCC4? (Please no portage overlay responces)
Anyone know when 4.0 will be ready for the distros?
3 monts? 6 months? a year ? forever?
You're correct about Outlook Express vs. the full Outlook.
Stubborn zealots have been doing it for years.
There is no net installer for OSX - and a couple of other not Windows or Linux OSs.
That said, I don't think we're about to get one.
The net installer for OSX is to download firefox, then download Thunderbrid.
Firefox replaces Internet Explorer very nicely.
Thunderbird replaces Outlook.
The Mozilla suite replaces Internet Explorer, FrontPage/DreamWeaver, mIRC, Eudora/Outlook, your (or your work's) calendar tools and your kitchen sink.......
When people ask why Linux on the desktop is not as big a success as Firefox the answer is not the merits, but the ease of the switch. I think (hope) we've all realized that it's not the technical merits that drive adoption of software.
I personally use Firefox over Apple Safari but stick with Mac's Mail.app because it's a lot of work to switch, and I'd say it's on par with Thunderbird.
Sorry great (and very wise) Debian people, but I think distros should go with RPMs or BSD style ports. Apt-get and .deb's kinda sit in the middle and are only used by Debian and it's clones. *duck*
Conversly, if Red Hat could obsorb something into Gnome (or ditch it) we'd be better for it on all fronts. Maybe LookingGnomelass? (I know that's impossible)
I think CmdrTaco uses Safari to administer the site.*
When you look at Safari what do you see? Apple + Google. One is always shaped by one's enviroment.
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*I saw it when I was trying to like the new Screen Savers. I've since returned my digital cable box.
Google's redundancy theory works on a meta level, as well, according to Hoelzle. One literal meltdown -- a fire at a datacenter in an undisclosed location -- brought out six fire trucks but didn't crash the system.
"You don't have just one data center," he said, "you have multiples."
The real idea behind Google Maps is so that as the server catches fire it use it's last cycles to send an eMail to the nearest fire cheif and include a map. I think it would also throw in a GMail invite for incentive.
You can do this now with 3rd party systyems like iChat and Macromedia Flash's lattest derivative Breeze.
Think MS Passport, only useful.
Please of please let it be Ashlee Simpson!
I read this far. The parent was high enough for me.
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I would agree that you should get your hands on Fedora. (And one day you'll end up on Gentoo). In the install screen you'll want to install Apache, PHP and mySQL and install that. (...and before you get to that screen, whatever it proposes for drive partition is probably fine, in linux you need to define the amount of space for memory to overflow to) - A quick Google found this guys guide: http://www.johnmunsch.com/articles/FedoraCoreGett
Those crazy Linux commands can be dificult to learn, though powerfull. Are you going to be near this box a lot? If not it might help you to learn more about VNC and use the GUI interface remotely over the network - it functions like Remote Desktop.
Lastly, it's not really forking. At the moment their just diffrent implementations of the same standards. The linux distros are closer together on 'the linux standard' than Netscape and IE were on HTML.
Granted, the clock probably has more to do with the heat than the chip itself, but I don't foresee any plans for IBM to slow the clock speed of their products, they seem to be more worried about hitting the 3 GHz mark and the new 90 nM chip barrier. IBM and Apple will want to make a mobile G5 chip that is about 6 months behind the desktop speed, not two years. Also, Apple will not want to sell mobile G5s with serious reductions from the Power desktop line while the G4 is still viable at the same performance level. That said, this is all based on single core logic, double cores might mean a reduced G5 clock speed or equal clock speeds in a G4s.
All indications are that the 64bit G5 chip is denser than the G4, and yes, would run hotter than a G5. That said, this sounds like a great head-to-head: the original one CPU G5 Tower Vs. the new PB.
The G5's have more circits on each board than a G4 and are about to get even more. That means more heat in a smaller space, and this is why the G5 case is a big wind tunnel. At the moment a PowerBook has NO FANS spinning when not under load, the G5 graduation of fan speeds has no zero.
Also the current G4 is a very good low power chip and the Mac Mini just demonstrates how much more life Apple thinks they can get out it or that they want to ensure the demand for the G4 stays hi to help with further development.
Lastly, you really should have said "I think you're the one with too much hot air".
I must have been pretty bad for lefties, and having the clickers on the outside of the case dictaed the the machine be kept in a case. Plus every scrolling wheel system needs to be cleaned from time to time.
Still, it was way better than Nicholas Negroponte's mid-keyboard nubbn'.
Knowing that the number five comes after four is not a major insight into Apple's product cycle. Anyway, to summarize my trolling on my own post: I feel vindicated.
The Scrolling Trackpad looks just like my scrolling track pad. Hmmm, I wonder if I can get my Side Track style scrolling back via Software Upadte? .....Nope, Nothing there. I don't want to pay $15 for the feture rich Side Track application just to scroll with my track pad, and Windows track pad can do that. That said, it is a good App. I'll give Apple a week.
Not surprising that Apple would do this. They needed to keep the line fresh while they attempt the Herculean task of getting a super hot, server-oriented G5 chip into a PowerBook.
"what PC can I buy instead that will take up as little space and do as much for the same price (or less)?"
I thought Apple users were the ones who will buy a lesser product just because Apple put their logo on it.
This Mini really has changed everything.
From the article: "So far, each Mac OS X update has improved performance, an admirable trend that we expect to continue."
I remember I became a switcher just as 10.2 was coming out and all the Mac boards had these old graphics industry people going on about OSX being slower than OS9, and how good OS9 was...... OS 9 was never good.
But that first Mac I had was a G3 PowerBook, and sure enough, as the new OSs came out it just got faster!
I guess that's a function of the opensource core, people writting good code. Period. Not just writting stuff to work well on what the have in the pipe.
Here's the source for the UNIX corse of OS X: http://opendarwin.org/
But, as the other reponce noted, the GUI and some of the Apps are closed.
The same way we got a treatment for not being able to get an erection: make sure it affects a lot of rich, white, American men. We'll have a cure in no time!
I joke, but many a true hath been spoke in jest.
From Mactopia.com (NOT Macworld, I know): "Find out how Internet Explorer 5 for Mac can show you the Internet in new, exciting ways."
Wow, IE 5, I've been waiting to see what the Internet would look like fresh technology like that. Will it match my brand new blueberry iBook?
I have a PowerBook, I really like OSX - but I've tried not to Drink the Coolaid. So, can the Mac haters point out what the Apple brand is still missing (other than market share)?
"And yes, Mac mini will take advantage of your two-button USB mouse with scroll-wheel and your favorite USB keyboard. Just plug them in."
Read: Dude, ditch you're Dell, we'll make it easy!