i'm using a real desktop and have no use for tablets, so gnome made itself irrelevant as of 3.0 already.
happy new release day anyway!
These comments give me a chuckle. It's pretty obvious you've not seriously even tried to *use* Gnome3/Shell. It makes pretty heavy use of the keyboard use (and, in fact, shines when you rely on your keyboard instead of a mouse).
I'm not in the market for a job (I'm a freelancer), but if I were, I have plenty of other ways for prospective employers to find information on me outiside of Facebook.
The first (and only) thing I'd say to an HR person asking for my login/pass is this: "I use Facebook to connect only with family and friends (I really do). I do not "friend" people that I do not know in real life. Should you hire me and we become friends, I'll gladly "friend" you. Until then, if you would like to seach for my online activities, both professional and hobbies, you can search using my real name. I make no attempt to hide it. Oh, and by the way, here is my LinkedIn username too, if you would like to start your search there."
Sorry, but that's as far as anybody'll get with me. I don't understand why people just don't stand up and say "NO" to crap like this. If the answer is "But I really need the job", guess what? If hired, you'll be miserable and soon be looking for another job, guaranteed. Companies like that don't treat their employees well.
I normally use Ubuntu for my day to day stuff, but about twice a year I have to use a Windows program that I have installed on my WIn 7 partition. Today happens to be one of those days.
I settled on Dexpot when I first set this machine up and have been happy with it. It *does* feel a little bloaty to me, though. I might have to check out VirtuaWin, since it's been getting so many good comments here. As long as I can set hotkeys to what I want and it's reasonably fast, I'll be happy.
I've used a linux desktop for a while but I can honestly say I prefer my win7 machine.
It just feels more polished and has less quirks that I have to 'live with'.
Honestly, I don't think there's any less polish in Windows, Mac or Linux. They are all quite polished these days. The difference with Linux is you have to do the polishing yourself. But once it's polished, it't every bit as polished as any other OS.
All the previous attempts by PC/laptop manufacturers to ship Linux have been really half-assed. They've consistently picked the worst distributions to install, and I don't for the life of me understand why. It can't be because of set up... I've set up plenty of machines myself, and with hardware that doesn't come out of the box with any distribution, but is easily obtainable from the component maker (Broadcom, NVidia are two examples).
Half-assed laziness is the only explanation I can come up with.
Leave the tablet interface to the tables and the desktop interface to the desktop! When Fedora releases a Tablet Spin, they should go with the tablet interface.
While no interface is perfect (Gnome 2 was pretty close, but we had a lot of time to get used to it and improve/perfect the parts we didn't like), I have to wonder how many of the "tablet interface" complainers have actually tried Gnome3/Gnome Shell.
I just can't see a desktop - no mattter how different - that is so dependent on hidden hotspots and/or the Super key to have an interface that is tablet-like.
Neither Gnome 3 nor Unity is acceptable in their present incarnations.
I've not had good luck with Unity so far (latest try was with Ubuntu 12.04 beta), but Gnome 3, with just a couple extensions, works quite nicely for a keyboard-oriented kinda guy like me.
I don't use the mouse with it nearly as much as I did using Gnome 2/AWN - even with Gnome Do installed.
... How long did it take for the Desktop Linux "saboteurs" to get even fundamental stuff like sound working? I half expect someone to chime in that it still doesn't work!
No need to try and lead. You just give away your bias in doing so.
That said, I used to bitch a lot about the direction I saw Gnome and Unity taking. I still bitch about Unity, I suppose, but after actually trying Gnome 3/Gnome Shell, I'm digging the new interface and will keep using it.
I've said this before: I'm very much a keyboard kinda guy, and Gnome Shell gets and stays out of my way, but still gives me enough indication of what's going on with all my programs and system.
I never gave it a chance and just switched to a text console after trying it for a few minutes - and this is from a guy that even uses twm and CDE if necessary. The single window thing seems to break the entire point of a desktop IMHO and I couldn't see an easy way to get multiple windows on it. That meant I was cutting and pasting between different text consoles as if I was using linux in 1994 without X at all.
To me it looked like a tiling window manager (eg. xmonad) without the entire point of the tiling. Maybe I didn't give it enough time and maybe gnome actually do have some docs written this time that I can look at and work out how the hell to use the thing to cut and paste between multiple tasks.
I'm late to the Gnome Shell game, so to speak, but I've never gotten any of the impressions you list.
Copy/paste is dead simple in Gnome Shell, the same as it is in any other OS/DE. I'm not sure what you're referring to with "single window" either. Gnome Shell dynamically assigns workspaces as you need them. One of the most useful extensions I've installed in the Workspace Navigator extension. I don't need a mouse at all to navigate/focus on different workspaces.
I would recommend you give it another try. And have a look at live.gnome.org for a list of keyboard and mouse shortcuts available. Then head over to extensions,gnome.org to supplement anything you think you might be missing.
Failed web "designers" are ruining GUI applications left and right. It doesn't matter if they're open-source apps or if they're closed-source commercial apps. These self-labeled "UI designers" and "usability experts" get involved with a popular project that had a usable UI, and they completely trash it.
This has happened to GNOME. This has happened to Firefox. This is now apparently even happening to Windows!
I used to think that about Gnome, until I installed it and started using it.
True, I installed a couple extensions to help me out, but after spending some time with Gnome Shell, it does a really good job of just staying out of the way.
I'm very much a keyboard kinda guy though. To me, too much mouse use gets in the way.
Let the bank deal with all the trash you left behind and how to clean it up before they try and resell the place.
Oh, you weren't talking about being foreclosure. On second thought, my first thought stands.
Honestly, what's wrong with the new admin coming to you with questions, as long as s/he doesn't abuse the relationship? You'll find that in moving to networking, you're probably going to be doing some work with he new admin anyway, just not directly. Might as well maintain a healthy relationship.
Other filesharing sites (filesonic comes to mind, but there are others) have either disabled file sharing, or changed it in such a way as to make it less convenient, never mind efficient.
If I had a stick for each person with who uses the hackneyed phrase "digital nomad", after allowing for breakage from thrashing them so hard with the sticks, I could still build the world's largest tree castle.
With thorned branches for anyone who added "location independent" to their "digital nomad" description.
Don't forget to add "language hacker" to the mix, so you can differentiate yourself from the millions of other travel bloggers. Oh, and sell a colorful ebook too!
Logged in just to say that before calling people liars, check your facts.
I was reading a bunch of words before being 2 years old. I was 4 when I got my first computer (a MSX) and learned to create simple programs reading only the BASIC manual... so not impossible at all I'm afraid.
You do realize there's a HUGE difference developmentally between a two year old and a four year old, right? Linguistically, physically, emotionally... HUGE difference.
I'm not a programmer, but I am pretty good at my chosen profession. I know without a doubt that I couldn't have passed any sort of "certification" exam at that age, whether it was related to my profession or not.
As others have pointed out, there are 24 one hour chapters, it's not meant to teach you in a 24 hour period.
Understood. It's still accelerated, and my point still stands that any sane person would look at any of these types of books as a starting point, not the end-all-be-all of knowledge.
That's all well and good, but a total blackout of pages is never going to happen. These companies have too much money to lose.
What will most likely happen is you'll get a black box on the page with the message, then a button to click to continue on with your search/purchase/whatever.
I would fully support complete uavailability from these websites for a day/set time period - it would really be effective. But it'll never happen as long as there's money to be made/lost.
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i'm using a real desktop and have no use for tablets, so gnome made itself irrelevant as of 3.0 already. happy new release day anyway!
These comments give me a chuckle. It's pretty obvious you've not seriously even tried to *use* Gnome3/Shell. It makes pretty heavy use of the keyboard use (and, in fact, shines when you rely on your keyboard instead of a mouse).
... with the right extensions, and Docky? I quite like Gnome 3.)
Don't know about it being like Lion, but I agree that it's pretty nice with the right extensions. Workspace Navigator is my favorite, at the moment.
I'm not in the market for a job (I'm a freelancer), but if I were, I have plenty of other ways for prospective employers to find information on me outiside of Facebook.
The first (and only) thing I'd say to an HR person asking for my login/pass is this: "I use Facebook to connect only with family and friends (I really do). I do not "friend" people that I do not know in real life. Should you hire me and we become friends, I'll gladly "friend" you. Until then, if you would like to seach for my online activities, both professional and hobbies, you can search using my real name. I make no attempt to hide it. Oh, and by the way, here is my LinkedIn username too, if you would like to start your search there."
Sorry, but that's as far as anybody'll get with me. I don't understand why people just don't stand up and say "NO" to crap like this. If the answer is "But I really need the job", guess what? If hired, you'll be miserable and soon be looking for another job, guaranteed. Companies like that don't treat their employees well.
I settled on Dexpot when I first set this machine up and have been happy with it. It *does* feel a little bloaty to me, though. I might have to check out VirtuaWin, since it's been getting so many good comments here. As long as I can set hotkeys to what I want and it's reasonably fast, I'll be happy.
I've used a linux desktop for a while but I can honestly say I prefer my win7 machine. It just feels more polished and has less quirks that I have to 'live with'.
Honestly, I don't think there's any less polish in Windows, Mac or Linux. They are all quite polished these days. The difference with Linux is you have to do the polishing yourself. But once it's polished, it't every bit as polished as any other OS.
All the previous attempts by PC/laptop manufacturers to ship Linux have been really half-assed. They've consistently picked the worst distributions to install, and I don't for the life of me understand why. It can't be because of set up... I've set up plenty of machines myself, and with hardware that doesn't come out of the box with any distribution, but is easily obtainable from the component maker (Broadcom, NVidia are two examples).
Half-assed laziness is the only explanation I can come up with.
Leave the tablet interface to the tables and the desktop interface to the desktop! When Fedora releases a Tablet Spin, they should go with the tablet interface.
While no interface is perfect (Gnome 2 was pretty close, but we had a lot of time to get used to it and improve/perfect the parts we didn't like), I have to wonder how many of the "tablet interface" complainers have actually tried Gnome3/Gnome Shell.
I just can't see a desktop - no mattter how different - that is so dependent on hidden hotspots and/or the Super key to have an interface that is tablet-like.
Neither Gnome 3 nor Unity is acceptable in their present incarnations.
I've not had good luck with Unity so far (latest try was with Ubuntu 12.04 beta), but Gnome 3, with just a couple extensions, works quite nicely for a keyboard-oriented kinda guy like me.
I don't use the mouse with it nearly as much as I did using Gnome 2/AWN - even with Gnome Do installed.
Desktop Linux is a sad joke.
No need to try and lead. You just give away your bias in doing so.
That said, I used to bitch a lot about the direction I saw Gnome and Unity taking. I still bitch about Unity, I suppose, but after actually trying Gnome 3/Gnome Shell, I'm digging the new interface and will keep using it.
I've said this before: I'm very much a keyboard kinda guy, and Gnome Shell gets and stays out of my way, but still gives me enough indication of what's going on with all my programs and system.
I never gave it a chance and just switched to a text console after trying it for a few minutes - and this is from a guy that even uses twm and CDE if necessary. The single window thing seems to break the entire point of a desktop IMHO and I couldn't see an easy way to get multiple windows on it. That meant I was cutting and pasting between different text consoles as if I was using linux in 1994 without X at all. To me it looked like a tiling window manager (eg. xmonad) without the entire point of the tiling. Maybe I didn't give it enough time and maybe gnome actually do have some docs written this time that I can look at and work out how the hell to use the thing to cut and paste between multiple tasks.
I'm late to the Gnome Shell game, so to speak, but I've never gotten any of the impressions you list.
Copy/paste is dead simple in Gnome Shell, the same as it is in any other OS/DE. I'm not sure what you're referring to with "single window" either. Gnome Shell dynamically assigns workspaces as you need them. One of the most useful extensions I've installed in the Workspace Navigator extension. I don't need a mouse at all to navigate/focus on different workspaces.
I would recommend you give it another try. And have a look at live.gnome.org for a list of keyboard and mouse shortcuts available. Then head over to extensions,gnome.org to supplement anything you think you might be missing.
Failed web "designers" are ruining GUI applications left and right. It doesn't matter if they're open-source apps or if they're closed-source commercial apps. These self-labeled "UI designers" and "usability experts" get involved with a popular project that had a usable UI, and they completely trash it.
This has happened to GNOME. This has happened to Firefox. This is now apparently even happening to Windows!
I used to think that about Gnome, until I installed it and started using it.
True, I installed a couple extensions to help me out, but after spending some time with Gnome Shell, it does a really good job of just staying out of the way.
I'm very much a keyboard kinda guy though. To me, too much mouse use gets in the way.
How is this better than what's already out there with Open CD, for example?
Maybe "better" isn't the correct word. What does this offer that another open source compilation doesn't already offer? More up-to-date programs?
Let the bank deal with all the trash you left behind and how to clean it up before they try and resell the place.
Oh, you weren't talking about being foreclosure. On second thought, my first thought stands.
Honestly, what's wrong with the new admin coming to you with questions, as long as s/he doesn't abuse the relationship? You'll find that in moving to networking, you're probably going to be doing some work with he new admin anyway, just not directly. Might as well maintain a healthy relationship.
Other filesharing sites (filesonic comes to mind, but there are others) have either disabled file sharing, or changed it in such a way as to make it less convenient, never mind efficient.
If I had a stick for each person with who uses the hackneyed phrase "digital nomad", after allowing for breakage from thrashing them so hard with the sticks, I could still build the world's largest tree castle.
With thorned branches for anyone who added "location independent" to their "digital nomad" description.
Don't forget to add "language hacker" to the mix, so you can differentiate yourself from the millions of other travel bloggers. Oh, and sell a colorful ebook too!
And that third one. Whatever it was. Damn. I never remember which one I mean.
Eweps.
Logged in just to say that before calling people liars, check your facts.
I was reading a bunch of words before being 2 years old. I was 4 when I got my first computer (a MSX) and learned to create simple programs reading only the BASIC manual... so not impossible at all I'm afraid.
You do realize there's a HUGE difference developmentally between a two year old and a four year old, right? Linguistically, physically, emotionally... HUGE difference.
I had an uncle who was studing CS, so by age 2 I was writing my first Hello World program in BASIC.
Sorry, I don't believe you.
At two years old, you didn't have the motor skill to control a keyboard or a mouse, much less read or write.
Get a grip, folks.
I'm not a programmer, but I am pretty good at my chosen profession. I know without a doubt that I couldn't have passed any sort of "certification" exam at that age, whether it was related to my profession or not.
I'm pretty sure I've got a grip.
Just sayin'.
Well at the basic level Certified just means you can pass the test.
Do you know how old she was when she passed it? She was 9.
You may not be impressed by that fact, but I am.
As others have pointed out, there are 24 one hour chapters, it's not meant to teach you in a 24 hour period.
Understood. It's still accelerated, and my point still stands that any sane person would look at any of these types of books as a starting point, not the end-all-be-all of knowledge.
I suppose it's no worse than any foreign language book/CD that claims you will speak another language in 10 days, 30 days, whatever.
Most rational people will pick up the book and use it for what it's meant: a starting point.
Cheap PCs run XP.
This isn't really true any more, at least for new cheap PCs. They're all shipping with Windows 7 Starter now.
What will most likely happen is you'll get a black box on the page with the message, then a button to click to continue on with your search/purchase/whatever.
I would fully support complete uavailability from these websites for a day/set time period - it would really be effective. But it'll never happen as long as there's money to be made/lost.
Is there an ape store?
Yes. There's an ape for that.
AnonymousFryCook would actually be a good slashdot handle.