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The people pictured are from the Atlanta team, there's also a Pasadena team that is putting a picture together. From left to right they are: Tom Tatom, Kate Trower, Bobby Arnold, Beth, Milliken, Larry Fine, and Louis Rush.
Oh someone mentioned that they want it "NASA certified" so it's not debris they are looking for, well why the fuck don't they ask for Discovery, Atlantis or Endeavour then?
You know that Columbia was over 20 years old, right? You know that the shuttles go through EXTENSIVE rebuilds after every mission, right? You know that there are plenty of parts more or less tossed out after these rebuilds, right?
You know it's possible to have a piece of Columbia that is not debris from the shuttle's demise.... right?
But seriously, there seems to be no OFFICIAL way for end users to actually contact microsoft, nor any sorta automated system to rank e-mails based on importance, nor any human within the phone network who actually knows who to talk to.
Tell me about it. When IE5 first came out (with the modular installer) the installer had a nasty bug: If the FTP site it tried to connect to to download a CAB was full, it would create the CAB file which would contain no data, only the error message!
As one might expect, this would cause the installation to bomb, and no explanation would be given to the user. Attempting to resume the installation would also fail. The solution was, of course, to go into the installer's temp directory and delete the bad CAB files and re-download them, but most users wouldn't know where to find them, and would be forced to start from scratch.
When I attempted to contact Microsoft about the problem, they asked me for a credit card number. When I explained I didn't want support and was trying to report a bug, I was transferred to someone else who... asked me for a credit card number. Wash, rinse, repeat.
Perhaps that's why he doesn't claim to be. (He's always claimed to be an 'evangelist', not a 'representative'.
I find it interesting that both you and another user have made statements akin to the above in response to the parent, considering that Bruce Perens has also responded to the parent stating:
No you didn't elect me, at least if you aren't an SPI member. But I speak for a reasonable portion of the Free Software community. Graham has an opinion, but represents few (if any) of the Open Source and Linux developers. He has confused evangelism, which he is qualified to do, with representation, which he is not.
Now--to me, at least--that certainly DOES seem as though Bruce is claiming to be a representative, and not an evangelist...
Not that there is anything wrong with that--in any system, SOMEONE is going to step the front and say, "follow me," and Bruce is more than qualified to do so.
I agree with you that the GPL would not allow the leasing of software (as you said, it's fairly clear cut--once you give me a single copy of the GPL licensed work, I can make as many copies as I want, demand the source and make whatever changes I want, etc.)
However, this comment is fairly misleading:
Under copyright law, do I have permission to "lease" copies of software that I do not hold the copyright to, to others? No, I don't. Why? Because that requries making COPIES, which I am not allowed to do under copyright law
There is nothing in copyright law that prohibits you from leasing the works--in fact, the doctrine of first sale specifically protects your right to do so.
You could have purchased ten copies of $COPYRIGHT_PROTECTED_WORK from the copyright holder, then leased these copies to various third parties.
Which word of "well regulated" do you find it easier to ignore? The paradox, of course, is that to regulate of course you have to infringe. But which absolute trumps the other?
A proper 19th century usage of "well regulated" was "well trained" when referring to a body of troops. This definition of "regulate" is now obsolete, but you'll find it in Oxford's English Dictionary. It comes from the idea of "regulating" something as meaning "to put in good order" and not "regulation means law, so let's pass all the laws we want."
Now (to continue further off topic) congress and (especially) the states DO have the right to pass laws that relate to firearms--just not to the point where they actually infringe on the RIGHT (note, not privlidge, but a RIGHT) to keep and bear arms.
A good example of an infringement are the handgun bans in Washington, D.C. and Chicago. The assault weapon ban of 1994 is also an infringement, as is the 1986 law that banned to new manufacture of machine guns.
The 1934 machine gun law, however, is a TAX measure and is not--in and of itself--an infringement. The tax congress chose to implement however ($200, which is minimal today, but could be 10-20x the weapon's actual cost in 1934) WAS an infringement.
The NICS check (as written, not as implemented) is not an infringement.
"Infringe" doesn't mean you can't pass ANY laws, it just means you cannot reduce law abiding citizens access to arms by force of law.
the term "clip" is properly used to refer to a "stripper clip."
Almost, but not quite, correct.
A "clip" is a device used to load a magazine. This includes stripper clips as you noted above, but also includes items like the 8-round "en bloc" clip of the M1 Garand, which is placed into the rifle's magazine, then ejected when empty.
The Declaration of Paris abolished letters of marque, though the US did not sign that treaty. However, the Hague Convention (which the US IS a party to) reiterated this ban.
Congress still DOES have the power to issue such letters if it so chooses, but it would place the US in violation of that treaty.
2) Just because an object has the potential to violate a law does not automatically mean it does. If I work at a Wal-mart, and sell you a baseball bat, and you crack someone over the head with it, I'm not going to be charged with homicide. That's the end-user's fate.
Wal-Mart has been sued for selling a shotgun to a mentally deficient individual, who then used it to shoot himself. The plantiffs' case was essentially that Wal-Mart should have KNOWN he intended to commit suicide, and not sold him the weapon. IIRC, Wal-Mart lost.
While I (and most rational people) agree with your statement, a large percentage of folks seem to feel that end users are not responsible for anything that happens (intentional or otherwise) and the responsibility rests with whoever happens to have the deepest pockets.
Please, please, please take this wonderful advance in technology and extend it to email. Then Spam can have a new header called "Evil: Yes". Then we can leverage the same technology to do perfect Spam filtering.
The X-Evil header was implemented under RFC666. The first widely used email client to make use of the header was Outlook 2002, while the first MTA to do so was Exchange 2000.
Try running it on a server sometime - it CAN'T be done in a sane manner. The default install installed apache 2, but then tried to install a version of mod_perl that is incompatable with 2.0, so then it also installed 1.3.19, but then mod_php wouldn't work, no SSL support, etc. Good grief. RH 8 was buggy beyond belief.
Err, not all "servers" are WEB servers, you know. Our parent company in Germany is running their ERP system on RH8.0, and they're perfectly happy with performance and stability.
We run the same system on RH7.3 on identical hardware (like alot of other posters, I WON'T use x.0 releases from RedHat for anything important--but in this case, it's personal prejudice and not because the tool isn't fit for the job.)
The amazing Carnack says (holds envelope to forehead) that the first use will be to design a game where you have a gun and other weapons and the object is to shoot down as many people as possible.
I wonder what Johnny Carson would've thought about that fact that that game will probably be designed by the amazing Carmack?
You can't fight the math here (Or do you really have *that many* handguns in your community).
Yes, there are *that many* firearms in the US. To be more specific, roughly 280,000,000 guns, about 70,000,000 of which are handguns. This does NOT count weapons manufactured before 1898 (which are not legally firearms.)
Beyond that, having read this story, all I can say is, as presented, it's impractical at best. The expensive associated with this weapon would be astronomical--the barrel(s), magazine, and ammunition are all one integrated package? You'd be talking hundreds of dollars whenever you wanted to reload one of the ten round magazines!
And let's not discuss reliability--one of the MAJOR problem shooters have with the whole "smart gun" concept is there is too damn much that can go wrong. Batteries could be low. Your hand could be sweaty and throw off the biometric scanner. You could be wearing gloves. A malfunctioning weapon would be "bad" in competition shooting. It would be absolutely catastrophic in a self-defense scenario.
or they are running out of money, and need some more.
Or, worse yet, the first alien communication begins, "Dear Sir, I am contacting you with a business proposal. My brother, Melgar, is the former head of the government of Tau Ceti, and is attempting to export 30,000,000 galactic credits..."
Ever played Unreal Tournament? It would be satisfying to have the announcer shout out the moderator categories, ie instead of "Dominating!", "Godlike" or "Multi-kill!", a well-crafted response on Slashdot would be rewarded with cries of "Fascinating!" or "Thought-provoking!"
So instead of "Ma-ma-ma-ma-monster Kill-kill-kill" you'd hear "Plu-plu-plu-plus three, funny-funny-funny?"
Seems like there would be some legal issues with this as CT has state laws against on-line gambling. Most states do, for that matter.
Surprisingly enough, when governments make laws against things they claim to not like, they usually leave nice big exemptions for themselves in those very same laws. Gun laws area great example of this.
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The people pictured are from the Atlanta team, there's also a Pasadena team that is putting a picture together. From left to right they are: Tom Tatom, Kate Trower, Bobby Arnold, Beth, Milliken, Larry Fine , and Louis Rush.
:)
Hey, that's not Larry Fine! THIS is Larry Fine!
This is nearly what the RIAA uses for the recipe for a chart topper:
- 50 percent porn
- 20 percent cowbell
- 30 percent ClearChannel
It needs more cowbell.
This is very much a 'toe in the water' experiment
There have been quite a few gross comments in this thread, but that takes the cake!
Oh someone mentioned that they want it "NASA certified" so it's not debris they are looking for, well why the fuck don't they ask for Discovery, Atlantis or Endeavour then?
You know that Columbia was over 20 years old, right? You know that the shuttles go through EXTENSIVE rebuilds after every mission, right? You know that there are plenty of parts more or less tossed out after these rebuilds, right?
You know it's possible to have a piece of Columbia that is not debris from the shuttle's demise.... right?
But seriously, there seems to be no OFFICIAL way for end users to actually contact microsoft, nor any sorta automated system to rank e-mails based on importance, nor any human within the phone network who actually knows who to talk to.
Tell me about it. When IE5 first came out (with the modular installer) the installer had a nasty bug: If the FTP site it tried to connect to to download a CAB was full, it would create the CAB file which would contain no data, only the error message!
As one might expect, this would cause the installation to bomb, and no explanation would be given to the user. Attempting to resume the installation would also fail. The solution was, of course, to go into the installer's temp directory and delete the bad CAB files and re-download them, but most users wouldn't know where to find them, and would be forced to start from scratch.
When I attempted to contact Microsoft about the problem, they asked me for a credit card number. When I explained I didn't want support and was trying to report a bug, I was transferred to someone else who... asked me for a credit card number. Wash, rinse, repeat.
I find it interesting that both you and another user have made statements akin to the above in response to the parent, considering that Bruce Perens has also responded to the parent stating:
Now--to me, at least--that certainly DOES seem as though Bruce is claiming to be a representative, and not an evangelist...
Not that there is anything wrong with that--in any system, SOMEONE is going to step the front and say, "follow me," and Bruce is more than qualified to do so.
I agree with you that the GPL would not allow the leasing of software (as you said, it's fairly clear cut--once you give me a single copy of the GPL licensed work, I can make as many copies as I want, demand the source and make whatever changes I want, etc.)
However, this comment is fairly misleading:
Under copyright law, do I have permission to "lease" copies of software that I do not hold the copyright to, to others? No, I don't. Why? Because that requries making COPIES, which I am not allowed to do under copyright law
There is nothing in copyright law that prohibits you from leasing the works--in fact, the doctrine of first sale specifically protects your right to do so.
You could have purchased ten copies of $COPYRIGHT_PROTECTED_WORK from the copyright holder, then leased these copies to various third parties.
Which word of "well regulated" do you find it easier to ignore? The paradox, of course, is that to regulate of course you have to infringe. But which absolute trumps the other?
A proper 19th century usage of "well regulated" was "well trained" when referring to a body of troops. This definition of "regulate" is now obsolete, but you'll find it in Oxford's English Dictionary. It comes from the idea of "regulating" something as meaning "to put in good order" and not "regulation means law, so let's pass all the laws we want."
Now (to continue further off topic) congress and (especially) the states DO have the right to pass laws that relate to firearms--just not to the point where they actually infringe on the RIGHT (note, not privlidge, but a RIGHT) to keep and bear arms.
A good example of an infringement are the handgun bans in Washington, D.C. and Chicago. The assault weapon ban of 1994 is also an infringement, as is the 1986 law that banned to new manufacture of machine guns.
The 1934 machine gun law, however, is a TAX measure and is not--in and of itself--an infringement. The tax congress chose to implement however ($200, which is minimal today, but could be 10-20x the weapon's actual cost in 1934) WAS an infringement.
The NICS check (as written, not as implemented) is not an infringement.
"Infringe" doesn't mean you can't pass ANY laws, it just means you cannot reduce law abiding citizens access to arms by force of law.
When I called tech support to ask what type of sound card the model had
/proc is your friend.
/proc/pci" or "cat /proc/bus/pci/devices" would have gone a long way to avoiding your encounter with the tech support drone.
[snip]
Then after 8 hours of hair pulling and cursing, it turns out it has an ALi chipset. Not Soundblaster Live!
By "Real Operating System" I'm assuming you mean something other than windows, and since this is slashdot, I'm going to assume you mean Linux.
If that's the case,
"cat
the term "clip" is properly used to refer to a "stripper clip."
Almost, but not quite, correct.
A "clip" is a device used to load a magazine. This includes stripper clips as you noted above, but also includes items like the 8-round "en bloc" clip of the M1 Garand, which is placed into the rifle's magazine, then ejected when empty.
The Declaration of Paris abolished letters of marque, though the US did not sign that treaty. However, the Hague Convention (which the US IS a party to) reiterated this ban.
Congress still DOES have the power to issue such letters if it so chooses, but it would place the US in violation of that treaty.
Yes, Joe Blow isn't going to sound like Larry Olivier, BU TIT... MUST BEE BET TER THAN A SYN THE SIZED VOICE.
No joke!
I tried listening to Dracula, and after about eight seconds, what popped into my head was:
"VAN HEL SING WALKED UP TO THE VAM PIRE AND SAID "THERE IS A SEVERE THUN DER STORM ALERT FOR THE FOL LOWING COUNTIES...""
You could have at least read the article and determined that this is NOT a TabletPC, but rather a wireless LCD panel.
Dumbass.
2) Just because an object has the potential to violate a law does not automatically mean it does. If I work at a Wal-mart, and sell you a baseball bat, and you crack someone over the head with it, I'm not going to be charged with homicide. That's the end-user's fate.
Wal-Mart has been sued for selling a shotgun to a mentally deficient individual, who then used it to shoot himself. The plantiffs' case was essentially that Wal-Mart should have KNOWN he intended to commit suicide, and not sold him the weapon. IIRC, Wal-Mart lost.
While I (and most rational people) agree with your statement, a large percentage of folks seem to feel that end users are not responsible for anything that happens (intentional or otherwise) and the responsibility rests with whoever happens to have the deepest pockets.
Please, please, please take this wonderful advance in technology and extend it to email. Then Spam can have a new header called "Evil: Yes". Then we can leverage the same technology to do perfect Spam filtering.
The X-Evil header was implemented under RFC666. The first widely used email client to make use of the header was Outlook 2002, while the first MTA to do so was Exchange 2000.
Try running it on a server sometime - it CAN'T be done in a sane manner. The default install installed apache 2, but then tried to install a version of mod_perl that is incompatable with 2.0, so then it also installed 1.3.19, but then mod_php wouldn't work, no SSL support, etc. Good grief. RH 8 was buggy beyond belief.
Err, not all "servers" are WEB servers, you know. Our parent company in Germany is running their ERP system on RH8.0, and they're perfectly happy with performance and stability.
We run the same system on RH7.3 on identical hardware (like alot of other posters, I WON'T use x.0 releases from RedHat for anything important--but in this case, it's personal prejudice and not because the tool isn't fit for the job.)
The amazing Carnack says (holds envelope to forehead) that the first use will be to design a game where you have a gun and other weapons and the object is to shoot down as many people as possible.
I wonder what Johnny Carson would've thought about that fact that that game will probably be designed by the amazing Carmack?
You can't fight the math here (Or do you really have *that many* handguns in your community).
Yes, there are *that many* firearms in the US. To be more specific, roughly 280,000,000 guns, about 70,000,000 of which are handguns. This does NOT count weapons manufactured before 1898 (which are not legally firearms.)
Beyond that, having read this story, all I can say is, as presented, it's impractical at best. The expensive associated with this weapon would be astronomical--the barrel(s), magazine, and ammunition are all one integrated package? You'd be talking hundreds of dollars whenever you wanted to reload one of the ten round magazines!
And let's not discuss reliability--one of the MAJOR problem shooters have with the whole "smart gun" concept is there is too damn much that can go wrong. Batteries could be low. Your hand could be sweaty and throw off the biometric scanner. You could be wearing gloves. A malfunctioning weapon would be "bad" in competition shooting. It would be absolutely catastrophic in a self-defense scenario.
Won't care. They'll react to Intel's crap the same way most of you react to nude pictures of CowboyNeal
And
What you need is what AMD is offering - more speed on the bus.
You do realize that Intel already offers a P IV that runs on a 533MHz FSB, or 33% faster than what AMD is introducing now... right?
I predict the population of Mars will never exceed that of Antarctica.
And I predict that no one will ever need more than 640k.... oh, wait...
or they are running out of money, and need some more.
Or, worse yet, the first alien communication begins, "Dear Sir, I am contacting you with a business proposal. My brother, Melgar, is the former head of the government of Tau Ceti, and is attempting to export 30,000,000 galactic credits..."
Ever played Unreal Tournament? It would be satisfying to have the announcer shout out the moderator categories, ie instead of "Dominating!", "Godlike" or "Multi-kill!", a well-crafted response on Slashdot would be rewarded with cries of "Fascinating!" or "Thought-provoking!"
:)
So instead of "Ma-ma-ma-ma-monster Kill-kill-kill" you'd hear "Plu-plu-plu-plus three, funny-funny-funny?"
No thanks, I'll pass.
Just a few off-the-cuff observations.
- You don't launch a land war in Asia.
- You don't launch a billion-dollar patent battle with IBM, if your
strategy is in fact to win that battle.
- NEVER go against a Sicilian when DEATH is on the line!
Seems like there would be some legal issues with this as CT has state laws against on-line gambling. Most states do, for that matter.
Surprisingly enough, when governments make laws against things they claim to not like, they usually leave nice big exemptions for themselves in those very same laws. Gun laws area great example of this.
The military designation of the 707 is C137, not C135
Thank you for the correction. Wish I could moderate!
My point does remain valid, however--the original poster was comparing apples and oranges.