Fascinating post. I grew up with animals, particularly several dogs which exhibited very "high level" moral cognition. I have always understood this to be the product of low-level instinct mechanisms. Sometimes these hard-wired responses seem very sophisticated.
I'd rather have a dog than a trained monkey. But they are both operating on the same principles of animal behavior.
I can see a movie coming on: Indiana Jones and the Lost Bacteria. After a long race to figure out what the sequence means, he is forced to shoot (from an airplane) an unsuspecting Mexican maid (who he had fallen in love with) when she pulls out the AntiBacterial soap on the last remaining specimen in his hotel room.
Or something like that. I might not be the best at futuristic thrillers.
Yes, this is not a lot different than the way device drivers have always been incorporated into the kernel. But having a willingness to work with NDAs of various companies MIGHT have solved the whole fiasco with Broadcom wireless chipsets (if you didn't think it was a fiasco, you didn't buy a iBook G4 the day they were released, May 2004, only to find out that you would be unable to use wireless on it for the next 2 years at least).
I don't know but I think that maybe such a system might have made the suits and lawyers with Broadcom comfortable enough to allow co-operation on a linux device driver... *sigh* would have been nice.
Not always the case: I just got back from 7 hours of volunteer work putting in ice at the local (small) ice rink. I just found out that for every hour a volunteer puts in at the beginning of the season to get everything going, he will get 5$ of credit.
Meaning that if I volunteer as much as I had planned, I will not have to pay anything for my locker room. Am I paid? yes, kinda. Am I an employee? Certainly not. Would I have volunteered anyhow? Of course! Did the quality of my work decrease because you declared that I was now an employee? Nope.
What you learned in an office does not hold true everywhere in life.
Count up the number of people working tech support, virus control, and PC services. Those industries didn't exist 20 years ago. Bill Gates created more jobs because there are more PC techs than Network Admins on the planet. Bill Gates wins. Or whoever created disease: healthcare employs more than technology. I think whoever it was that invented diseases should win: he must be a great guy for creating so many jobs!!!
But seriously this topic has too many hot-button words to not be considered flamebait. Read the last sentence out loud in any data centre and you will have a fight!
Please tell, i'm a proud iBook owner that NEVER uses OSX, i'm just too hardcore linux. I tried compiling eclipse on it once (I'm also a Java programmer, but i'm out of work until i can get a computer that will compile eclipse on linux) and it didn't work.
Yes, i've filed a bug report and the ibm guys over on ecplipse.org told me that it was an open bug (the bug report they showed me had like 100 entries in it:( ) and basically to fsck off
If you could just point me in the right direction? thanks
They saw displacement over time. The plasma was measured in relation to the galaxy/blazer that it was ejeculated from. This is why we know that it's not just us moving -99.9% the speed of light. It's relative to something else.
Furthermore, if the ONLY thing considered was the dopplar effect/redshift evidence, as you propose, I would persue further the GP's questions. Because red shift, while i find fascinating (see SIG), is not conclusive in my opinion. This is based upon the findings of american empiricist Halton Arp who has compiled signifigant evidence that redshift is NOT what we thought it was. He has extremely well documented some issues for the "Doppler Theory." Makes you think about some of the other accepted theories of cosmology......
How is this +5 insightful? He has a good point... but has not properly presented the contender. There are too many posts here saying "No one uses X11!!" And they are getting modded up, without anyone realizing that they can type in neooffice.org into their web browsers and have a moderately acceptable (i'm well aware of neooffice's shortcomings, thank you. I use it for all my purposes) native port to OSX.
No wonder OSS gets a bad rap with most mac users. Not enough exposure to the right web URLs, not enough googling to do anyone any good:(
Ahh now you make much more sense, and i see your gripe with the article (i will add it to my long list of gripes with the article).
A more useful test would be to observe how quickly the box would be compromised if the assailants were specifically targetting the box and knew exactly which OS it was running, what patch level, and had the correct tools available to use it.
Interestingly, what yousuggest has already been tried anddismissed by the infallible moderators of slashdot. Case dismissed. NEXT!:)
Actually, while I was reading some of that stuff... made me so angry I thought "Let those ignorant Windows users keep on thinking that their beloved OS is uncompromisable. I don't need them enlightened anytime soon." Now I know why others do advocacy and NOT me:)
I RTFA, and I agree that it wasn't the greatest piece comparison in the world.
I read you post, and I'm sick from the faux pas that you're using. EW, GROSS. Seriously, you're comparing a USELESS OS (windows 3.11) with the most useful OS (linux, I know that some things such as video editing are lacking, but all around, it is the most practical). And you're expecting me to draw a security comparison? Please. I would consider comparing OSX (quite a useful piece of OS) and maybe windows XP or 2003 (modern things that are deployed for REAL WORK in the MODERN WORLD) with linux. Then I'll start listening to you.
So.... you made an excellent point, maybe they're not comparing equally deployed products (duh we all know there are more Windows boxen than linux boxen). But when you screem "faux pas" and point, there are three more fingers pointing back at you.
install linux, you'll never regret it
i ran out of space on OSX (with my iBook) because of fink etc. i installed linux (1 partition for yellow dog, 1 partition for debian, and 1 HUGE partition for my home dirs, movies, music documents etc).
I'm not even close to using a percentage of the same disk space, and i've got WAY more stuff (movies, programs etc) on there, i'm way more satisfied. I'm not at ALL sold on the OSX / FInk combination, i'm sticking with linux
Ok, one small question about the installation proccedure: do you have an option for hooking up to ADSL (configuring pppd) DURING the installation, preferrably automatically? the reason i ask is because the average user doesn't know to terminate prematurely the installation, and then configure the pppd, and then recommence the base-config program.
once again, a quick RTFA:
click on suppoted, click on http://www.ati.com/ca_us/corporate/press/1999/4241.html
Sorry, there is no ATI.com web page matching your request.
no kidding. why did i buy this ibook? just kidding i like it, but that really sux
the average child/teen is NOT going to fight for them today. i did. i remember fighting to get on the macs at the school. and i remember going home and hacking all day on my ibm pc junior to get some crazy educational game going. so i sympathize with where you're coming from.
however, that is now ancient history. i'm now 20, and the average kid that has taken my place has playstation, computer, cell phone and every other toy with which to blow their brains out. some even have tvs in their rooms.
the major problem with the educational system is the student's homes. if you want your kids to do anything in life, remove all the tvs from the house, buy a 20 inch tv for "educational tv" (please see current poll), burn all the game consoles, and limit the games on the computers. there are so many other things to discover in life and with technology, without buying into the consumer mentality
The cool thing about openoffice is that you CAN get support for the product (startoffice is the same animal). This is something that is +5 underrated. You can sell stuff to your boss if he can pay money to think that he's supported. He wants to spend money on that. Give him what he wants.
ok i'll give you that i shouldn't call you an idiot
and i obviously didn't explain myself clearly enough. the fact is IE6 is vunerable to THIS exploit specifically. anyways no big deal
Programming languages have been proven to be better when they are more open than Java currently is. Your fear is fragmentation; but when have you ever been frusterated by the fragementation of C, C++ LISP (ok, this might be a BIT disparate). But the point is made anyways... i don't think Scott McNealy is really worried about it become forked.
YOu my friend are an idiot. Not only because it should be obvious that IE 6.0 is vunerable (which, because i working in a tech support area, i know is widespread in use). And what is more, if you used any opensource software, you would know that most old versions ARE patched with the new ones. You don't need to upgrade, just protect. I hope you are modded a troll.
Totally agree.. it's all just a conspiracy to get Outlook into as many computers as possible. They know that the main battle is being fought over the groupware. Whoever controls the groupware of an organization will have a big influence on the rest of the software installed.
For anyone who doesn't beleive me, just try migrating Exchange server / Outlook to anything else, and you'll realize the depth of the insidiousness of microsoft mailing out copies of Outlook. They are miring IT department with otherwise good intentions.
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Shouldn't that read.... actually just the beer? Like the old joke goes... How is American beer like sex in a canoe? It's f^H^H^H^Hing close to water.
Fascinating post. I grew up with animals, particularly several dogs which exhibited very "high level" moral cognition. I have always understood this to be the product of low-level instinct mechanisms. Sometimes these hard-wired responses seem very sophisticated.
I'd rather have a dog than a trained monkey. But they are both operating on the same principles of animal behavior.
I can see a movie coming on: Indiana Jones and the Lost Bacteria. After a long race to figure out what the sequence means, he is forced to shoot (from an airplane) an unsuspecting Mexican maid (who he had fallen in love with) when she pulls out the AntiBacterial soap on the last remaining specimen in his hotel room.
Or something like that. I might not be the best at futuristic thrillers.
Yes, this is not a lot different than the way device drivers have always been incorporated into the kernel. But having a willingness to work with NDAs of various companies MIGHT have solved the whole fiasco with Broadcom wireless chipsets (if you didn't think it was a fiasco, you didn't buy a iBook G4 the day they were released, May 2004, only to find out that you would be unable to use wireless on it for the next 2 years at least).
I don't know but I think that maybe such a system might have made the suits and lawyers with Broadcom comfortable enough to allow co-operation on a linux device driver... *sigh* would have been nice.
Download and install Evolution for OSX. You'll need X11 installed.
Not always the case: I just got back from 7 hours of volunteer work putting in ice at the local (small) ice rink. I just found out that for every hour a volunteer puts in at the beginning of the season to get everything going, he will get 5$ of credit. Meaning that if I volunteer as much as I had planned, I will not have to pay anything for my locker room. Am I paid? yes, kinda. Am I an employee? Certainly not. Would I have volunteered anyhow? Of course! Did the quality of my work decrease because you declared that I was now an employee? Nope. What you learned in an office does not hold true everywhere in life.
That was the problem that was fixed. The other problems have been examined and dealt with using certificates etc.
Nothing to see here. Move along.
care to back up your $800 dollar claims? I don't think you're telling the truth on this one.
Count up the number of people working tech support, virus control, and PC services. Those industries didn't exist 20 years ago. Bill Gates created more jobs because there are more PC techs than Network Admins on the planet. Bill Gates wins. Or whoever created disease: healthcare employs more than technology. I think whoever it was that invented diseases should win: he must be a great guy for creating so many jobs!!!
But seriously this topic has too many hot-button words to not be considered flamebait. Read the last sentence out loud in any data centre and you will have a fight!
Please tell, i'm a proud iBook owner that NEVER uses OSX, i'm just too hardcore linux. I tried compiling eclipse on it once (I'm also a Java programmer, but i'm out of work until i can get a computer that will compile eclipse on linux) and it didn't work.
Yes, i've filed a bug report and the ibm guys over on ecplipse.org told me that it was an open bug (the bug report they showed me had like 100 entries in it :( ) and basically to fsck off
If you could just point me in the right direction? thanks
They saw displacement over time. The plasma was measured in relation to the galaxy/blazer that it was ejeculated from. This is why we know that it's not just us moving -99.9% the speed of light. It's relative to something else.
Furthermore, if the ONLY thing considered was the dopplar effect/redshift evidence, as you propose, I would persue further the GP's questions. Because red shift, while i find fascinating (see SIG), is not conclusive in my opinion. This is based upon the findings of american empiricist Halton Arp who has compiled signifigant evidence that redshift is NOT what we thought it was. He has extremely well documented some issues for the "Doppler Theory." Makes you think about some of the other accepted theories of cosmology......
None of the other new features were attractive enough to get my attention.
No wonder OSS gets a bad rap with most mac users. Not enough exposure to the right web URLs, not enough googling to do anyone any good :(
Ahh now you make much more sense, and i see your gripe with the article (i will add it to my long list of gripes with the article).
A more useful test would be to observe how quickly the box would be compromised if the assailants were specifically targetting the box and knew exactly which OS it was running, what patch level, and had the correct tools available to use it.
Interestingly, what you suggest has already been tried and dismissed by the infallible moderators of slashdot. Case dismissed. NEXT! :)
Actually, while I was reading some of that stuff... made me so angry I thought "Let those ignorant Windows users keep on thinking that their beloved OS is uncompromisable. I don't need them enlightened anytime soon." Now I know why others do advocacy and NOT me :)
I RTFA, and I agree that it wasn't the greatest piece comparison in the world.
I read you post, and I'm sick from the faux pas that you're using. EW, GROSS. Seriously, you're comparing a USELESS OS (windows 3.11) with the most useful OS (linux, I know that some things such as video editing are lacking, but all around, it is the most practical). And you're expecting me to draw a security comparison? Please. I would consider comparing OSX (quite a useful piece of OS) and maybe windows XP or 2003 (modern things that are deployed for REAL WORK in the MODERN WORLD) with linux. Then I'll start listening to you.
So.... you made an excellent point, maybe they're not comparing equally deployed products (duh we all know there are more Windows boxen than linux boxen). But when you screem "faux pas" and point, there are three more fingers pointing back at you.
install linux, you'll never regret it
i ran out of space on OSX (with my iBook) because of fink etc. i installed linux (1 partition for yellow dog, 1 partition for debian, and 1 HUGE partition for my home dirs, movies, music documents etc).
I'm not even close to using a percentage of the same disk space, and i've got WAY more stuff (movies, programs etc) on there, i'm way more satisfied. I'm not at ALL sold on the OSX / FInk combination, i'm sticking with linux
Ok, one small question about the installation proccedure: do you have an option for hooking up to ADSL (configuring pppd) DURING the installation, preferrably automatically?
the reason i ask is because the average user doesn't know to terminate prematurely the installation, and then configure the pppd, and then recommence the base-config program.
once again, a quick RTFA:1 .html
click on suppoted, click on http://www.ati.com/ca_us/corporate/press/1999/424
Sorry, there is no ATI.com web page matching your request.
no kidding. why did i buy this ibook? just kidding i like it, but that really sux
the average child/teen is NOT going to fight for them today. i did. i remember fighting to get on the macs at the school. and i remember going home and hacking all day on my ibm pc junior to get some crazy educational game going. so i sympathize with where you're coming from.
however, that is now ancient history. i'm now 20, and the average kid that has taken my place has playstation, computer, cell phone and every other toy with which to blow their brains out. some even have tvs in their rooms.
the major problem with the educational system is the student's homes. if you want your kids to do anything in life, remove all the tvs from the house, buy a 20 inch tv for "educational tv" (please see current poll), burn all the game consoles, and limit the games on the computers. there are so many other things to discover in life and with technology, without buying into the consumer mentality
are they "secure" like the old bbs' were?
everyone knows that a bbs attracts conspiratist theorists like flies to fido spread over 5km of freewayThe cool thing about openoffice is that you CAN get support for the product (startoffice is the same animal). This is something that is +5 underrated. You can sell stuff to your boss if he can pay money to think that he's supported. He wants to spend money on that. Give him what he wants.
ok i'll give you that i shouldn't call you an idiot and i obviously didn't explain myself clearly enough. the fact is IE6 is vunerable to THIS exploit specifically. anyways no big deal
Programming languages have been proven to be better when they are more open than Java currently is. Your fear is fragmentation; but when have you ever been frusterated by the fragementation of C, C++ LISP (ok, this might be a BIT disparate). But the point is made anyways... i don't think Scott McNealy is really worried about it become forked.
YOu my friend are an idiot. Not only because it should be obvious that IE 6.0 is vunerable (which, because i working in a tech support area, i know is widespread in use). And what is more, if you used any opensource software, you would know that most old versions ARE patched with the new ones. You don't need to upgrade, just protect. I hope you are modded a troll.
Totally agree.. it's all just a conspiracy to get Outlook into as many computers as possible. They know that the main battle is being fought over the groupware. Whoever controls the groupware of an organization will have a big influence on the rest of the software installed.
For anyone who doesn't beleive me, just try migrating Exchange server / Outlook to anything else, and you'll realize the depth of the insidiousness of microsoft mailing out copies of Outlook. They are miring IT department with otherwise good intentions.