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CodeWeavers Releases CrossOver 6 for Mac and Linux
jeremy_white writes "I'm happy to announce that we've shipped version 6.0 of CrossOver, for both the Mac and Linux. We have a full
changelog available; highlights are are Outlook 2003 and support for games, notably World of Warcraft and Steam based games. I can attest that World of Warcrac...er craft is the most well tested application we have ever supported. It's exciting to watch the Wine project progress — it's a great and growing community of developers (which is a good thing, as we're now all too busy grinding Honor in Alterac Valley to keep up our pace of contributions :-/)."
It's exciting to watch the Wine project progress
It is, and it's certainly a lot more useful than that other whine project.
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These people continue to piss me off. They keep coming out with releases that support more and more games, and completely ignore the small business market that's clamoring to run QuickBooks. (Yeah, I know, SQLLedger, etc. are available, but QB is the accounting software used by most accountants, and that's who I need to exchange my data with...) I had high hopes for CodeWeavers 3 years ago, but now I think they're doomed to fail due to bad direction from their management.
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OK, so let's say I'm able to get OS X to authenticate against my Windows 2000 Active Directory...will Outlook 2003 have any trouble connecting to our Exchange server, or is that something completely unrelated? I realize that Entourage exists (I have Office for Windows & Mac), but let's say that I would prefer to use Outlook 2003 for add-in support.
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This is all part of microsoft's plan to bring Kernel and Driver development to a halt. Mark my words. This can't be good.
Mentioning WoW in the article summary was not the most useful thing ever, considering the native client for OS X (Not Linux, granted... - but if you're mentioning the benefits of Wine on OS X and Linux, pick a piece of software that doesn't have native ports for either platform, duh)
Just downloaded and installed it. Works OK, will try Office 2003. However, it still has done nothing for international keyboard support :(. Pretty much unusable for me as I use 3 different layouts.
I'm almost completely sure I know why he mentioned WoW: Cedega is advertising it. In case nobody knows: WIne used to have a BSD lisence (open source but not viral.) Transgaming took their code, renamed it Winex/Cedega, closed-sourced their developments, and got WoW to work. There is clearly residual anger, but Crossover has been foucusing on office rather than games, so they've been out of the picture...until now. Cedega will now have honest competition, and where the market share goes, nobody knows! Congrats: Wine must finally be getting somewhere! (It's been long enough)
Yes, but does it run IE7... that's the real question I have... Firefox has been running a little to stable under WINE
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I'm guessing he's running Linux, not Mac.
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This makes be wonder if Linux do everything Windows can.
In other words, are the some things that the WIN32 API needs that Linux can not supply.
Like some of DirectX perhaps?
Just wondering.
Cue millions of little stupid youtube videos titled "******** running on a MAC POWERBOOK using Crossover".
Oh wait. They're already there.
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I have used CrossOver Linux in the past to run Office 97 and Adobe Photoshop 7 under an earlier version of Red Hat Linux. I later used it to run Office 2000 under Linux instead. It worked pretty well and I was happy with their product. I haven't yet tried using it under the 64-bit version Ubuntu 6.10 Linux on my AMD-64 computer. I see that the Codeweavers web page says that it does work with 6.06/6.10 and that they test under both 32 bit and 64 bit systems, so I plan to give it a try. The idea of possibly running a Windows only Plugin for Firefox is also kind of intriguing.
... what a crappy website. You'd expect a company that makes most of it's sales over the web to built a site with a design and style from this millenium. Makes my eyes hurt just looking at it. And those bottles with the tacky lable and the glasses? A hint at wine, I know. But what are people suposed to think? We are a company of drunkards or what? ... Gosh, my mom can do better marketing than that.
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Several version of QuickBooks are listed as 'bronze', meaning they will at least install and run. If you look under 'known issues,' do you know what you see? Nothing.
If you want to run QuickBooks under Crossover, try it. If it has a problem, then tell them about it.
Somehow I suspect you're just trolling. If you knew anything about Codeweavers, or had even tried the software, you should know that they determine which applications to support based on customer demand. Granted, some apps are probably too difficult to be worth the effort, which would be a judgment call, but by and large their 'direction' comes from the bottom up rather than dictated by a pointy-hair type.
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WineX is free software, Cedega is not. It is a derived product covered by a non-free license. Something the WineX license allows
Wine is not GPL, it is LGPL, a much more liberal license than the GPL. It allows non-free derived products, as long as the Wine part of the derived product is still LGPL, and replaceable by the user. You can download the source of Wine part of CrossOver (it is no longer called CrossOver Office) by clicking on the Source tab at their home page. You can also get the source code for several other none-Wine components of CrossOver there.
The two businesses did not get their start the same way, CodeWeavers never made proprietary improvements to Wine. TransGaming did, which is why Wine changed license. CodeWeavers and other contributers were tired of the uneven competition between contributers and leeches that the old BSDL license encoruage. The true genius of the copyleft licenses is not high ideals of the FSF they were created to promote, but that they create a level playground for competing companies to cooperate in. "You can get my contributions, only if I can get yours".
Yeah, no love for that - and also, can you use localized, non-English versions of MS Office on it? The Russian version of Office 2003 is a mix of Cyrillic characters in some places and character-substitute boxes in others.
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Is the WoW part really only big for Linux? I've been using WoW on my Mac for a while now since the installation discs work for both PC and Mac.
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If no one runs it, how can anyone know that it doesn't run?
But if you did run it and experienced these issues, why are there no known issues? Is it possible that maybe you didn't report the issues, and are complaining because no one has addressed the unreported issues?
Clearly, the problem isn't just no one trying to run it that is why there are no reported issues, its that the people who do run it—people like you—don't report their issues in order to get them addressed.
One reason that games probably get more attention is because people are more willing to experiment with games. Which means, issues get reported and, therefore, can be fixed.
But it doesn't seem to me that you have tried what the GP said you should try, specifically: "If you want to run QuickBooks under Crossover, try it. If it has a problem, then tell them about it."
If you had, it would either (1) you would have no problems, and not be complaining here, or (2) there would be reported issues.
I've gotten my wife to switch to Firefox, Thunderbird, Picasa (now supported via Wine libs on Linux), OOO, and lots of other stuff -- but she'll never give up the Quicken. Come on, make Quicken run "Gold" (instead of "Silver" or worse) and you'll have a sale faster than you can sneeze.
For quite some time, I paid attention to CrossOver because I thought they might provide a descent solution to iTunes on Linux (the last piece of Windows software I was able to shed before making the switch). They advertise iTunes support, but they only support up to iTunes 4.9, which is almost completely useless as of 7.0. iTunes 4.9 on Crossover doesn't update iPods, and since 7.0 came out, the Music Store won't authorize music on anything less than 6.0.
This person may have been joking about running Firefox with Wine, but in reality there can be good reasons for doing so. For example, there are plugins (notably Flash) that don't have the same support for Linux as they do for Windows. However, personally, I think that if I am going to go so far as to emulate a Windows browser on Linux, I might as well go the whole hog and make it IE.
Cool, i was wondering about that, but didn't see where it listed 64 bit systems.
I don't care about Microsoft Office, Photoshop, etc. They all have Mac versions. I went through the compatibility list to see if I could get a couple of my fave Windows freeware apps like WinAmp and WinSCP. Both said they'd been successfully installed and run under CrossOver Office, but I guess that's just on Linux. On my MacBook Pro, they both exited with errors during the install.
I wonder, though, if there's some leftover crust from trying DarWine that's interfering with Crossover Office.
I think I'll wait for version 6.1 and see how the early adopters have fared with troubleshooting and workarounds before I invest more time in this. Definitely won't invest $59.95 in it.
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Many apps require the .NET CLR.. and CrossOver/Wine still don't do that..
Arg!
I used it for Counterstrike:Source and Warcraft 3 without issue on Ubuntu 6.10, but I found that sticking with the x86 and NOT a 64bit version works better all around for app support.
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This is how I access my work email on my laptop using Outlook on Parallels. Same here, I have been using Macs as well as Windows clients on corporate networks for years without logging onto a Domain and I have had no problems. I can access all network shares, all printers, Entourage and Outlook have no problems accessing Exchange servers and when I am using the Mac this all gets done without using Parallels. If there is any way to block access to Exchange servers from nodes not logged onto a Windows domain I have yet to run into anybody who implements it. There is one thing I have not tried yet which is running Lotus Notes 7 under Crossover. Effectively the Windows support crew at work doesn't know that either my Mac or my Windows work station exist and I can't say I mind.
I'd rather have support for the mainstream CAD programs like those in the subject or CATIA, Unigraphics....
:/
I'd love to steer clear of Windows, but I'm just still bound to it sadly
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I ran QB (Pro 2003) under CrossOver for some time, but it's finicky to get it installed there was a certain order to follow and some registry entries to add in manually as I recall. It had a couple of display issues (the buttons at the top of invoices sometimes got partially hidden for example), and sometimes wouldn't start up, you'd have to try several times, but on the whole it worked well-enough to use, and I did so for about 2 years.
But now I run QB under a VMWare virtual machine which I specifically created (and trimmed down) for Quickbooks and Quickbooks alone. And it has a couple of pretty good advantages...
1. Easy to backup your entire accounting environment, just write the VM to a DVD every now and then. That way if something goes bang, grab the last backup DVD, download the last backup QB data from your offsite, and you are literally running again with the exact same environment in seconds.
2. Can be run on multiple machines. Quickbooks as you know needs to be activated over the internet when you install it, which means that you can't realy install on multiple machines (say your desktop and laptop), with this setup that's no issue, copy the VM to the other machine, fire up the free VMWare Player, and away you go, as far as QB knows it's running on the exact same system.
Sure, the main disadvantage is that it takes more space because of the windows install in the VM, but really in this day and age who cares if it takes another 300 meg.
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No iTunes 7.0 or Audible.com support. Kind of makes my iPod useless under Linux for listening to audiblebooks. These are the last apps that I run that require Windows. I wish either Codeweavers would support Audible.com or Audible would support Linux.
Blah, who needs it.
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From the CodeWeaver web site:
"Every single product and service we have ever offered has returned all of the changes and improvements made to Wine back to the Wine Project." From the CodeWeaver web site:
"Every single product and service we have ever offered has returned all of the changes and improvements made to Wine back to the Wine Project."
I have used Wine to run a few Windows apps with pretty good luck. What value does CodeWeaver add to Wine? why would I choose CodeWeaver over a vanilla Wine install? Their web site basically says that their software allows you to run Windows apps, but that's what Wine is for. In other words, they are not very clear in distinguishing themselves from Wine. I have used Wine to run a few Windows apps with pretty good luck. What value does CodeWeaver add to Wine? why would I choose CodeWeaver over a vanilla Wine install? Their web site basically says that their software allows you to run Windows apps, but that's what Wine also says. In other words, they are not very clear in distinguishing themselves from Wine.
GPS street nav software is one of the lesser mentioned needs for the non-Windows world. Not even the Mac has anything decent in this area (surprised the heck out of me when I tried to find one recently).
It's listed as "untested" in Crossover's DB. Sure wish someone would test it and report.
I actually recently tried it under Wine 0.9.28, and the result was encouraging. I could browse the map. But some parts of the UI did not work right. It only crashed if I clicked a certain tab.
I'll be getting a laptop soon, and it looks like I'll have to buy a Windows license *only* for this app. I'd love nothing more than to pay Codeweavers instead of Microsoft, but I'm not sure if that's possible.
I ask as I'm curious about performance. Granted Wine and related projects can 'run' many of these games, thats pretty much the end of it. Performance is usually stunted at best, with the Windows equivalent blowing it out of the water. If anyone here is actually using this product, it would be nice if you'd share your experiences in the performance department. Last I tried Wine, it was nothing more than an impressive proof of concept as far as games were concerned.
I quit using/buying crossover because they were concentrating more on games than business software... Example: I need Adobe/Macromedia CS(X) Suite to work for school (College) as they require it. I also need Visual Studio.net to run for school. Yes, it's great that the old version of Photoshop and Office run on crossover, but the schools do not teach the old software and require you to run the new stuff.
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I went ahead and tried installing the Loki installer version of CrossOverLinux 6.0.0.1 just now and have been getting an error message. On my AMD-64 computer I have the AMD-64 versions of both Ubuntu and Kubintu installed (the packages for both). The Codeweavers webpage claims the the Loki installer version will work under any version of Linux. That is the how I always installed it in the the past. I verified the md5sum of what I had downloaded and then tried to run the installation shell script. Below is what I typed in to run their usual installation shell script along with the messages that I got afterwards:
shVerifying archive integrity...OK
Uncompressing CrossOver Linux Standard
The setup program seems to have failed on x86/glibc-2.4
Check the system requirements at:
http://www.codeweavers.com/products/cxoffice/requ
You might be missing the 32bit compatibility libraries
I am not sure if it is really going to work on the AMD-64 version of Ubuntu or not. I got the impression from their web page that it would work, although they don't seem to specifically say the AMD-64 version of Ubuntu or Kubuntu. I am not sure what the 32bit compatability libraries are.
The 32bit compatibility libraries are part of the Ubuntu/kubuntu distribution, all you have to do is to install them. I had the same problem when I was trying to install skype. I have the libraries and skype is working fine. I am using Crossover office on my system (Kubuntu AMD64) with no problems.
...for both the Mac and Linux.
Codeweavers will not survive unless they start supporting windows.
I think you underestimate just how much I just dont care.
Wine really has improved a LOT in the last couple of years. Now if only crossover had a nice control panel for the windows side - configuring ODBC sources etc is a bit painful right now.
I wish real windows started using wine-style ASCII registry files... regedt sucks balls.
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Thanks for the information, that solved the problem. I used the Synaptic Package Manager to download ia32-libs file and afterwards was able to get the installation script to run properly. I also successfully installed Office 2000. So far I have only briefly had a chance to try out Word and Excel, but they seem to be working.
Tell me about it... I have to help my brother-in-law with his buggy Windows because he HAS to run these software (mostly AutoCAD and SolidWorks, but also CATIA sometimes).
He didn't even know what SP2 was when I asked him about the updates (argh!)
I doubt the resource-intensiveness of these software would allow them to run over an emulation level, though.
If anyone knows equivalent (or close) software that could substitute them, please enumerate them.
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So, tying many stories together, what are the chances of .Net Compact Framework apps running on the iPhone? It appears for now Codeweavers/Wine have abandoned .Net and to some degree given Mono the cold shoulder... . But it would be quite cool to use such a high level framework to write apps for Windows Mobile phones (Blackberry, MDA, Treo...) and iPhone and its derivatives. The most obvious role Wine/CodeWeavers could play is in running Win32 Invoke parts of the phone, like the ConnectionManager to monitor and manage the phone's net connection.
I evaluated crossover last month and then moved on. I think it might be important for some people to understand why other projects are more popular right now. I wanted to run a specific Windows only program on OS X. My initial search yielded Crossover and Parallels as potential solutions. If I did the same evaluation today, I would add VMWare to that list. Since I only wanted to run one program, Crossover's lower resource consumption was attractive. Likewise, since it did not require a Windows license it seemed more cost effective. So I downloaded a copy of each and tested it. Under Parallels the program ran fine without any real hitches. The resource use was high and so was the cost. Under Crossover, the program was on their supported list, but they did not support the most recent version 7.1 was supported but 7.2 was not, or some such. The version I needed was released well over a year ago. I tried installing it under the bottle for the old version and under a standard bottle with no success. At this point, apparently, the guys at Crossover think I'm going to go to their pledge page and pledge to buy 5 copies to support my 5 installations should they ever get around to doing so. In a business environment, that is insane. I can get an approved PO for buying the more expensive solution, but how do you get a PO to pledge money for installs that may or may not ever happen? I'm sure not spending my own money.
Needless to say, my company shelled out for copies of Parallels and some more Windows licenses. The added flexibility is handy and it works just fine. If the crossover guys are really targeting the business market, I hope that they are aware their pledge system is useless and probably misleading in terms of how many sales they will get for making a given application work.