Nope.
Some number of these files are part of the UNIX specification and are copyrighted by no one.
Besides, to enforce copyright you'd have to prove you wrote it. And Novell and SCO Group have *both* filed for copyright on the self-same code. There is no issue here.
To quote Darl this morning: "All hat, no cows."
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Little known fact: The Torvalds' Penguin, Tux-Linikus Kerilus, has been known to eat SCOnks.
True enough, tehre is no real-time monitor on the court, as you say, but...
Courts don't issue orders without hearings. They don't conduct hearings in secret, even if they close the doors, you still know that they are in there, you see. There were no hearings, no lawyers arrived at the courthouse, (according to folks who might be expected to know).
As hard as it maybe to believe, B.S. is making it up, again. He's claiming the protective order around the discovery process gives SCO Group all kinds of protection that, in fact, it probably doesn't. Indeed, I am surprised he isn't claiming that the court's order from Friday the 5th for SCO to "put up or shut up" wasn't *proof* that SCO Group's claims against Linux are valid and that everyone better pay up fast....
Great. Does this mean that now SCO is going to claim to *own* the weather too?
Does everyone already know...
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What a "Caldera" is? It's the crater that's left after the volcanic mountain explodes. I bet the folks who named the company, and then sold it to Darl's friends didn't realize they were making a prediction about the fate of the company....
caldera n. A large crater formed by volcanic explosion or by collapse of a volcanic cone.
I don't know why you're all complaining. If you are a loyal, true blue American, you got nothing to fear. Unless, like in WWI you were of recent German extraction. Or in WWII if you were Japanese in origin. Or if anybody thought you were a communist in the 50s. Or if you protested for civil rights. Or if you're a muslim today. Other than that there's nothing to worry about. It isn't like they don't have our best interests at heart, I mean, to the extent that *their* best interests match ours.
Yeah, though I walk through the valley in the shadow of Microsoft, I shall fear no Windows, for thine is the kernel, and the [open] source. I will load it, and update it and abide with it all the cycles of my cpu. He maketh me to run X, and to browse with Mozilla. My hard drive runneth over.
You know, this has gotten silly already. Daryl implies that Linux users are liable for his stolen intellectual property. Really? So, when Kodak's version of the Instant Film camera was found to be infringing on Polariod's patents did Kodak customers have to pay up? Nope. Not ever. License *this* Mr. McBride! (Ignore the fact that his company has no property, intellectual, or otherwise.) IANAL, but I am a long time observer of humanity, and users of products are always, always, always held harmless when they wind up in possession of stolen IP. They don't even have to give it back. Daryl is asking the Linux community for donations. It's old advice, and it has been offered before, but really, "Just say No"!
Wow. If someone came up with this story as _fiction_ no one would believe it. One can suspend dis-belief only so far, you know. This story takes the cake. (And isn't this the second SCO story today. I'm gonna need all weekend to come down from this buzz.)
Anyway, Mirco$oft has to do something; they are getting their arses handed to 'em in the "server space." (I've never been clear on how "space" differs from market, but whatever.) So stir up some really colorful FUD, and what's the worst that could happen? Although, at any moment I expect poor ESR to burst a gasket. (Not that _that_ would bother M$ much.) It is an interesting balancing act. They have to create enough noise to get heard by the mainstream press, but not enough to get the story really covered by the mainstream press; they just want the CEOs to hear that there is an "issue"; CEOs just hate "issues".
Wait. Please. Yes, I am just certain that Micro$oft will attempt to make hay out of this, but not to worry. This is why one turns to Open Source and Linux in the first place. No one vendor can drive the market. Red Hat stops. Some one else will pick up the slack. If no one picks up the slack, then no one cared enough, (read: the slack wasn't worth picking up).
In contrast, consider what it means when M$ says Win 9/NT/2K support ends. It means the user is screwed. There is slack there, and many, many people might care, but no one can do anything about it. I can not support Win 98; I do not have the code. Look around, there is no active developer community continuing to support any old Windows products.
Open source doesn't mean that nothing will ever change; it means that when it does change, you can cope, one way or another.
Radio waves? Oh yeah, bad stuff. Not like those cigarettes some of those parents probably smoke. Nor the cars they all sure-as-shootin drive. (You know,the fuel for an aotuomobile contains, and emits, benzene compounds, both before and after it is burned in the car's engine.) Not to worry, though, the real risk is those radio waves.
Well, this is not really _new_ JPL's Deep Space One, ran an ion drive for it's spectacularly successful, if completely ignored, mission several years ago. see: http://nmp.jpl.nasa.gov/ds1/gen/mission.html
The article doesn't specify what counts as a "successful breach." Moreover, that's a record of servers. What, pray tell, do we do with the tens, or was it hundreds, of thousands of SQL-Slam'ed Window$ boxes. They were not all web-servers, but they sure as heck weren't Linux boxes. Is it just me, or did anyone else notice that none of those "successful" breaches of Linux servers compromised the whole stinking Internet?
Well, yes, but if you'd undertaken, oh say half that work before he "intruded," well, then you'd have saved the other half. As in: if someone breaks into my house, may I add the charge for the new, good lock I buy to the cost of the burglary? Better still, if they catch the guy, can I get HIM to pay for it? I am un-moved by your argument.
Denial of Service attacks are silly, unsophistocated and pointless. I mean, really, who wants to go to SCO's web-site anyway? Hit hem where they really live. If McDonalds is SCO's biggest customer, stop buying from McDonalds. _That_ might make them take notice. And, I love this part, it's perfectly acceptable and leagl not to eat at McD's. But they will notice, and they won't like that much, at all.
_OR_ since SCO's current big customer is McDonalds... just refuse to buy BigMacs, et. al. until and unless the suit is dropped. (The stereotype is that we programmers are the heaviest users of McDonalds anyway...). The best part is it would provide McDs an incentive to stop being an SCO customer. I, for one, won't be eating any food I know was rung up using a SCO-powered cash register.
IANARS, but...
Can anyone imagine what airplanes would look like today if the early pioneers had had to answer to Congress? Does anyone have any idea how many of those innovators died? (I don't have the numbers, but it was a whole lot of them. From bad equipment, bad weather, bad technique, bad luck.)
Early flight was new technology. It was very risky. And because of all those folks risking their necks, we now enjoy all the safety the airline industry possesses.
Space flight, while it is not being carried out by individual crack-pots and geniuses, as early flight was, is still very risky, and very new. All the astronuats understand that, I am sure. We've flown all those missions; landed on the moon, all that, and we've lost 17 astronauts all told. I do not mean to trivialize it. (And I am certain that their families and friends miss them greatly.) But could we have a little perspecitve here? What did the U.S. lose on the highways yesterday? Probably about 80 people. In one day. (Figure about 30k people/year.) But no one is calling for Congessional Oversight of all the idiots that get drivers' licesnses.
If you attempt to squeeze all the risk out of spaceflight you will almost ceertainly squeeze all the reward out as well. Get over it. Did we learn anything from this mistake? Did we learn anything from the mission _before_ the ship and valliant crew were lost? Then call it an expensive set of lessons and let's keep going.
For the record, I LIKE "wasteful" spending on Manned spaceflight, it keeps money away from, for example, the other uses to which the military puts money. (Who needs "better" H-Bombs anyway?)
Our Fearless Leader told us stem-cell research and human cloning would be morally wrong. (Dropping bombs on Afgan and Iraqii civilians, well, that's okay.) The first thing moralist do is attack any new science. Galleo wound up in trouble for proposing that the Earth orbited the sun. (Oddly, eventual wide acceptance of that information did not lead to the fall of the Church.) It is the [unpleasant] duty of scientists to ignore the politicians, and pursue the clues Nature provides.
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Besides, to enforce copyright you'd have to prove you wrote it. And Novell and SCO Group have *both* filed for copyright on the self-same code. There is no issue here.
To quote Darl this morning: "All hat, no cows."
TFL
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Little known fact: The Torvalds' Penguin, Tux-Linikus Kerilus, has been known to eat SCOnks.
True enough, tehre is no real-time monitor on the court, as you say, but...
Courts don't issue orders without hearings. They don't conduct hearings in secret, even if they close the doors, you still know that they are in there, you see. There were no hearings, no lawyers arrived at the courthouse, (according to folks who might be expected to know).
As hard as it maybe to believe, B.S. is making it up, again. He's claiming the protective order around the discovery process gives SCO Group all kinds of protection that, in fact, it probably doesn't. Indeed, I am surprised he isn't claiming that the court's order from Friday the 5th for SCO to "put up or shut up" wasn't *proof* that SCO Group's claims against Linux are valid and that everyone better pay up fast....
Liars lie. It is what they know how to do.
Great. Does this mean that now SCO is going to claim to *own* the weather too?
What a "Caldera" is? It's the crater that's left after the volcanic mountain explodes. I bet the folks who named the company, and then sold it to Darl's friends didn't realize they were making a prediction about the fate of the company....
caldera n. A large crater formed by volcanic explosion or by collapse of a volcanic cone.
Me? I'm just waiting for the ashes to cool....
I don't know why you're all complaining. If you are a loyal, true blue American, you got nothing to fear. Unless, like in WWI you were of recent German extraction. Or in WWII if you were Japanese in origin. Or if anybody thought you were a communist in the 50s. Or if you protested for civil rights. Or if you're a muslim today. Other than that there's nothing to worry about. It isn't like they don't have our best interests at heart, I mean, to the extent that *their* best interests match ours.
Yeah, though I walk through the valley in the shadow of Microsoft, I shall fear no Windows, for thine is the kernel, and the [open] source. I will load it, and update it and abide with it all the cycles of my cpu. He maketh me to run X, and to browse with Mozilla. My hard drive runneth over.
You know, this has gotten silly already. Daryl implies that Linux users are liable for his stolen intellectual property. Really? So, when Kodak's version of the Instant Film camera was found to be infringing on Polariod's patents did Kodak customers have to pay up? Nope. Not ever. License *this* Mr. McBride! (Ignore the fact that his company has no property, intellectual, or otherwise.) IANAL, but I am a long time observer of humanity, and users of products are always, always, always held harmless when they wind up in possession of stolen IP. They don't even have to give it back. Daryl is asking the Linux community for donations. It's old advice, and it has been offered before, but really, "Just say No"!
Wow. If someone came up with this story as _fiction_ no one would believe it. One can suspend dis-belief only so far, you know. This story takes the cake. (And isn't this the second SCO story today. I'm gonna need all weekend to come down from this buzz.)
Anyway, Mirco$oft has to do something; they are getting their arses handed to 'em in the "server space." (I've never been clear on how "space" differs from market, but whatever.) So stir up some really colorful FUD, and what's the worst that could happen? Although, at any moment I expect poor ESR to burst a gasket. (Not that _that_ would bother M$ much.) It is an interesting balancing act. They have to create enough noise to get heard by the mainstream press, but not enough to get the story really covered by the mainstream press; they just want the CEOs to hear that there is an "issue"; CEOs just hate "issues".
Wait. Please. Yes, I am just certain that Micro$oft will attempt to make hay out of this, but not to worry. This is why one turns to Open Source and Linux in the first place. No one vendor can drive the market. Red Hat stops. Some one else will pick up the slack. If no one picks up the slack, then no one cared enough, (read: the slack wasn't worth picking up).
In contrast, consider what it means when M$ says Win 9/NT/2K support ends. It means the user is screwed. There is slack there, and many, many people might care, but no one can do anything about it. I can not support Win 98; I do not have the code. Look around, there is no active developer community continuing to support any old Windows products.
Open source doesn't mean that nothing will ever change; it means that when it does change, you can cope, one way or another.
Radio waves? Oh yeah, bad stuff. Not like those cigarettes some of those parents probably smoke. Nor the cars they all sure-as-shootin drive. (You know,the fuel for an aotuomobile contains, and emits, benzene compounds, both before and after it is burned in the car's engine.) Not to worry, though, the real risk is those radio waves.
Thank goodness closed source software is free of IP issues, eh?
Well, this is not really _new_ JPL's Deep Space One, ran an ion drive for it's spectacularly successful, if completely ignored, mission several years ago. see: http://nmp.jpl.nasa.gov/ds1/gen/mission.html
I, for one, welcome our new SPAM Overlords....
The article doesn't specify what counts as a "successful breach." Moreover, that's a record of servers. What, pray tell, do we do with the tens, or was it hundreds, of thousands of SQL-Slam'ed Window$ boxes. They were not all web-servers, but they sure as heck weren't Linux boxes. Is it just me, or did anyone else notice that none of those "successful" breaches of Linux servers compromised the whole stinking Internet?
Troll baiting *is* my life.
Well, yes, but if you'd undertaken, oh say half that work before he "intruded," well, then you'd have saved the other half. As in: if someone breaks into my house, may I add the charge for the new, good lock I buy to the cost of the burglary? Better still, if they catch the guy, can I get HIM to pay for it? I am un-moved by your argument.
Denial of Service attacks are silly, unsophistocated and pointless. I mean, really, who wants to go to SCO's web-site anyway? Hit hem where they really live. If McDonalds is SCO's biggest customer, stop buying from McDonalds. _That_ might make them take notice. And, I love this part, it's perfectly acceptable and leagl not to eat at McD's. But they will notice, and they won't like that much, at all.
_OR_ since SCO's current big customer is McDonalds... just refuse to buy BigMacs, et. al. until and unless the suit is dropped. (The stereotype is that we programmers are the heaviest users of McDonalds anyway...). The best part is it would provide McDs an incentive to stop being an SCO customer. I, for one, won't be eating any food I know was rung up using a SCO-powered cash register.
IANARS, but... Can anyone imagine what airplanes would look like today if the early pioneers had had to answer to Congress? Does anyone have any idea how many of those innovators died? (I don't have the numbers, but it was a whole lot of them. From bad equipment, bad weather, bad technique, bad luck.) Early flight was new technology. It was very risky. And because of all those folks risking their necks, we now enjoy all the safety the airline industry possesses. Space flight, while it is not being carried out by individual crack-pots and geniuses, as early flight was, is still very risky, and very new. All the astronuats understand that, I am sure. We've flown all those missions; landed on the moon, all that, and we've lost 17 astronauts all told. I do not mean to trivialize it. (And I am certain that their families and friends miss them greatly.) But could we have a little perspecitve here? What did the U.S. lose on the highways yesterday? Probably about 80 people. In one day. (Figure about 30k people/year.) But no one is calling for Congessional Oversight of all the idiots that get drivers' licesnses. If you attempt to squeeze all the risk out of spaceflight you will almost ceertainly squeeze all the reward out as well. Get over it. Did we learn anything from this mistake? Did we learn anything from the mission _before_ the ship and valliant crew were lost? Then call it an expensive set of lessons and let's keep going. For the record, I LIKE "wasteful" spending on Manned spaceflight, it keeps money away from, for example, the other uses to which the military puts money. (Who needs "better" H-Bombs anyway?)
Our Fearless Leader told us stem-cell research and human cloning would be morally wrong. (Dropping bombs on Afgan and Iraqii civilians, well, that's okay.) The first thing moralist do is attack any new science. Galleo wound up in trouble for proposing that the Earth orbited the sun. (Oddly, eventual wide acceptance of that information did not lead to the fall of the Church.) It is the [unpleasant] duty of scientists to ignore the politicians, and pursue the clues Nature provides.