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I agree. There's nothing wrong with not looking at something. But using Junkbuster I look as as republishing. I mean content as in the items conatined as part of he known distribution - you seem to be talking about content meaning editorial content.
> No, an MCSE is to meaningful certification what McDonalds is to food.
Yes that's the commonly touted line. Its often used by OS enthusiasts who choose technology based on non technological matters, such as an unusual sense of ethics, and have closed minds towards any other Operating Systems. They all suck in their own own way, and people should choose the best tool for the job. That isn't always Unix. Supposedly technical people who think it is aren't really technical people at all.
Hence the humor in my sig. Now have a coffee and come back to me when you've woken up.
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> No they're not, just like advertisements in newspapers aren't.
You haven't provided any justification there at all. Ads aren't part of the editorial content, but they are most definitely part of whatever publication, and an important one, seeing as without them the newspaper wouldn't be brought to you. Republishing newspaper content without ads would be similarly unethtical.
> Bargain? What bargain?
Your eyeballs for their content, in case this wasn't obvious. There are bargains and transaction in mary parts of society where contracts aren't included. You didn't sign a contract which said you had to pay for the newspaper either.
> And I'll choose what I look at, just like in real life.
Again: republishing newspaper content without ads would be similarly unethical.
> I guess you'd probably call using lynx 'stealing'
If you're disabl;ed, which most users of text based browsers are (hardcore CLI geeks aren't as common as you'd expect) then fine, the site has an obligation to make its content available to you. Otherwise, certainly - if you're viewing a site which is brought to you by ads and you are stripping that part of the content, then yes.
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I'm tired of all this `hehe, being knowledgable folk we can install junkbuster, adzapper, or whatever other banner blocking ad proxy of the week, so it doesn't matter if Slashdot has ads' talk.
So? There's a bloody great big difference between your being able to do something and that something being ethical. If Slashdot has ads, and you don't want to look at them, then don't look at Slashdot.
The ads are part of the content. Hold up your end of the bargain and look at them. If you don't like animated flash or GIFs, complain to Slashdot. Don't try and seperate them. We know you're wonderful and very clever and deserve a pat on the back for being able to use Squid, but in exchange for the bandwidth, code, forums, and edited and compiled content you're viewing, if Slashdot expects you to look at ads in return, you should, or don't look at anything all all.
If I remember correctly, this is the same site where everyone railed againt MS Smart Tags (and rightly so) for daring to change the content of your web pages. How is this different?
And thank God for that. I like the Slashdot layout, and there is nothing wrong with it (in both appearance and 'usability'). The Slashdot layout has pretty much become a trademark. People expect it. They don't want it to change; just look at all the negative comments on the OSDN navbar.
The dark green text on the dark grey (gray for USAmericans) is quite difficult for those of that stare at our monitors 24 hours a day and have difficulty reading in some cirsumstances.
Please lighten the grey color. Thanks.
Changing the turquiose for blue would be nice too...
I know its not possible to get every app to follow the same standard, but its possible to obtain massive benefit by simply getting most - that's what standards are about.
I'd suggest drafting an optional XML config spec into the LSB, and getting people's opinions on that.
In the case that the apps don't like it, and they're ones Red Hat uses, then fork it. If someone does find a bug in the LSB XML config version, they can reproduce it on the non XML config version, or ask any distributor that uses the XML config version.
One of the things that sets Red Hat Linux apart from some other distributions is, actually, that most of our config tools try to parse existing config files rather than simply dumping any changes made by the user.
Are you sure? The Apache config tool from 7.1 writes a httpd.conf with a comment saying `don't edit this' and a while nbuch of whitespace before the file starts.
Not that I blame Red Hat. The non bandaid solution is to standardize (yes, standardize! on an open source system! have I blown your mind yet?) on a particular format for config files.
This way:
1. People writing GUI tools don't have to write new parsers for each config file
2. People writing GUI tools and those hacking directly will be able to work with each other properly
3. For those that hack directly, ffile formats are consistent
4. For those that hack directly, syntax errors are obvious to correct
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Grub uses a different syntax when referring to hard drives, taken from a BSD IIRC. Hence its annoying to remember a new (yes simple, but different) set of device names thats only used by one program on the system.
Try telling newbies having bootloader problems why this is the case. `Because nobody could be bothered' will not come off looking good for Linux.
It fix it myself, but I can't do much with C beyond reading it.
If anyone has such skills, a request: please make Linux device syntax an option in Grub. Thanks.
We have tried Reiserfs on one of our dev servers and discovered that it did not completely meet our needs because some of the features I wanted to use were simply not availabe. I am referring to the file attributes of append only and immutable which will slow down an attacker's progress in tampering with log files.
Immutable? Bah. Everyone knows `chattr +i ' makes that file invincible ; )
I write for a couple of Australian Computer Magazines. I've spent the last week interviewing a couple of people for an article I'm writing about server appliances.
One person I'd spoke to got the appliances to replace a Linux based firewall. The firewall worked, but nobody knew how to use it, and it seemed too complex for anyone on staff to operate. They couldn't read the logs, so they didn't know if anyone was attacking them. It was different from all their other systems, so it was hard to learn. And if they wanted to open a port for their Outlook Web Access (which they did) they couldn't. Hiring seperate IT staff to do this work is a cost they couldn't afford.
So they replaced the system with a firewall appliance - specifically a NetGear screening router.
These devices generally use some form os Linux inside them anyway, but the lady I spoke to presented an excellent argument against using traditional non embedded Linux firewalls in SMEs.
A long term friend of mine makes his living as a solo gold miner. Despite these artificial limitation posed by the the US and Australian DoD, apparently everyone who's wanted to has been able to get accuracy to within fifteen meters for quite some time now.
Unfortunately, I'm not too sure on the specifics whic hallow this. Do the sattellites give bad readings which can be easily re-set to their true value, is some kind of interpretarion of multiple results possible (a kind of triangulation)? Either way, this has been the case for over five years.
Quicktime is a wrapper format. It works at a nigher layer than the actual codec, which can be be any number of format,s but is usually Sorenson.
Sorenson is exclusively licensed to apple. The Linux programs that play and make Quicktime fils do so with other codecs. You can play the films made on Linux back under Windows Quicktime, but 99.95% of the content avaliable on the web won't play under these Linux players, because they're Sorenson, and the players don't support Sorenson.
That's a troll? I haven't said anything more than my opinion (clearly labeled as such) and the view expressed isn't exactly unique.
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If you want to compare to Windows: up till Windows XP it wasn't even possible to be logged in as multiple users at the same time, so the equivalent of a local root exploit was not really possible.
NT has has the ability to run su type programs for a very long time (since the NT4 resource kit).
There's been multiuser (albeit remote) version of NT since Citrix released their NT 3.51 Terminal Server.
>>this is one of the few rays of light with regards to any kind of widespread adoption of mozilla.
>Bullsh*t
Strong words. That depends on your definition of widespread, and I agree with the post you're replying to - none of the platforms you've mentioned are anything near widespread or common on desktop machines. Certainly none of them approach the circa 1998 Mozilla hype coming out of the Mozilla / Netscape camp.
Don't be so agressive and realize for a second that there's a reason so many people think Mozilla has failed. Their being uninformed isn't one of them.
THanks to you both. I simply didn't realize the Install button listed more packages. Scary I know ho to configure Apache, Postfix, Samba and the like but I'm not that great with a pretty GTK GUI installer.
It seems like a basic question. Ximian obviously produced packages and makes them avaliable through Red Carpet.
But on my system the `Evolution Snapshot' channel is filled with Evolution *support* packages but not Evolution itself. I have no binaries or packages containing the word Eolution in my system evven though I've downloading everything avaliable via Red Carpet, including everything in the Evolution Snapshot channel.
Since Red Hat (according both Netcraft and the usual market research firms) is more than fifty percent of all installed Linux systems, with SuSE, Turbolinux, and Caldera (which all use RPM) being the other major players, I'd say your 80% figure is a flaming load of poo.
Sorry not to burst your bubble. There's a standard and more people would like proprietary vendors to package their apps than otherwise.
You *still* don't understand. The sorting and tweaking of LS should be handles outside of ls - if anythbing, ls would have less options, because it won't deal with presentation issues itself.
AFAIK the only major 3D card unsupported on Linux is the Kyro, for whom drivers are coming. All the other people who produce cards fast enough to play current 3D games on any platform, thats:
* NVIDIA
* ATI
* Matrox
* Crusty old 3DFX
has drivers. Laptops can be a problem there, buit massive headway has been made into this area in the last six months.
You will notice, however, that no one has ever written a script to connect khtml to, say, wget.
These connects aren't limited to scripts, they'll work in most interpreted or compiled langauges with KDE bindings. But yes, one can embed for example, a netscape plugin viewer kpart inside khtml.
Firstly.. I don't think that 'all graphical programs are limited in UI'. In general, they are.
It's good to hear you have an open mind.
If I take a windows PC, and a Linux PC, and I want to do something 'innovative'.. like have my IP address automatically posted to a web page, and have my incoming ICQ messages automatically logged to a file, as well as copied & zipped to another file, then ftp'd to a remote host...
That's a matter of scripting, which can be achieved in a reasonable manner with scripting tools on either platform, though it seems you haven't kept current on the Windows side of things.
These sort of tasks are very difficult to automate in Windows, and very straightforward to automate in unix
That isn't correct. You evidently have more Unix experience than Windows. With the exception of the ICQ parts (sub in use MSN messenger) its entirely possible.
And on your point about the unix philosophy being 'mistaken'. You seem to think ifconfig should output exactly what you want
No I do not. You have fundamantally misunderstood the solution presented. Rather than filtering via arbitrary text strings which may change and have no standard format, filter via fields. Ifconfig outputs structured data, I filter it by tellign it the fields and records I'm looking for.
Since the `|' was invented by Doug McIlroy in 1973, has there ever been a more effective way of reusing tools and connecting data ?
Yes there has. Pipes only offer a very limited flow of information between applications and has a horrible tendency not to seperate content from presentation, so you end with nasty hacks like..well, text processing in general. Sed, awk, grep, and cut are all hackish workarounds for a problem that should have been solved a while ago. If I need to find out my IP address, there's no way I should have to cut text out of iconfigs output. I should simply ask ifconfig to output the first entry in the field `IP Address' for the first record in the set. This won't change because the command line afficionadoes (who seem to hate all non structured document format) are so familiar and have invested so much wasted time in text processing they cannot see it for the nasty hack it is. Thank god the rest of us do.
Most Unix users think all graphical programs are limited in UI because all they've been exposed to are poor graphical apps (notice the same people who complain about GUIs are fine using ncurses - perhaps its not GUIs, but slow and unresponsive apps that are the problem. So much of the Unix world remains stuck in the mistaken idea that Unix philosophy (small apps that work together) is somehow magically limited to command line apps. It isn't - the way ifconfig communicates with grep via pipes is much more limited and hackish than the way khtml communicates with konq via kparts.
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I agree. There's nothing wrong with not looking at something. But using Junkbuster I look as as republishing. I mean content as in the items conatined as part of he known distribution - you seem to be talking about content meaning editorial content.
> No, an MCSE is to meaningful certification what McDonalds is to food.
Yes that's the commonly touted line. Its often used by OS enthusiasts who choose technology based on non technological matters, such as an unusual sense of ethics, and have closed minds towards any other Operating Systems. They all suck in their own own way, and people should choose the best tool for the job. That isn't always Unix. Supposedly technical people who think it is aren't really technical people at all.
Hence the humor in my sig. Now have a coffee and come back to me when you've woken up.
> No they're not, just like advertisements in newspapers aren't.
You haven't provided any justification there at all. Ads aren't part of the editorial content, but they are most definitely part of whatever publication, and an important one, seeing as without them the newspaper wouldn't be brought to you. Republishing newspaper content without ads would be similarly unethtical.
> Bargain? What bargain?
Your eyeballs for their content, in case this wasn't obvious. There are bargains and transaction in mary parts of society where contracts aren't included. You didn't sign a contract which said you had to pay for the newspaper either.
> And I'll choose what I look at, just like in real life.
Again: republishing newspaper content without ads would be similarly unethical.
> I guess you'd probably call using lynx 'stealing'
If you're disabl;ed, which most users of text based browsers are (hardcore CLI geeks aren't as common as you'd expect) then fine, the site has an obligation to make its content available to you. Otherwise, certainly - if you're viewing a site which is brought to you by ads and you are stripping that part of the content, then yes.
I'm tired of all this `hehe, being knowledgable folk we can install junkbuster, adzapper, or whatever other banner blocking ad proxy of the week, so it doesn't matter if Slashdot has ads' talk.
So? There's a bloody great big difference between your being able to do something and that something being ethical. If Slashdot has ads, and you don't want to look at them, then don't look at Slashdot.
The ads are part of the content. Hold up your end of the bargain and look at them. If you don't like animated flash or GIFs, complain to Slashdot. Don't try and seperate them. We know you're wonderful and very clever and deserve a pat on the back for being able to use Squid, but in exchange for the bandwidth, code, forums, and edited and compiled content you're viewing, if Slashdot expects you to look at ads in return, you should, or don't look at anything all all.
If I remember correctly, this is the same site where everyone railed againt MS Smart Tags (and rightly so) for daring to change the content of your web pages. How is this different?
And thank God for that. I like the Slashdot layout, and there is nothing wrong with it (in both appearance and 'usability'). The Slashdot layout has pretty much become a trademark. People expect it. They don't want it to change; just look at all the negative comments on the OSDN navbar.
The dark green text on the dark grey (gray for USAmericans) is quite difficult for those of that stare at our monitors 24 hours a day and have difficulty reading in some cirsumstances.
Please lighten the grey color. Thanks.
Changing the turquiose for blue would be nice too...
Thanks for your reply, its much appreciated.
I know its not possible to get every app to follow the same standard, but its possible to obtain massive benefit by simply getting most - that's what standards are about.
I'd suggest drafting an optional XML config spec into the LSB, and getting people's opinions on that.
In the case that the apps don't like it, and they're ones Red Hat uses, then fork it. If someone does find a bug in the LSB XML config version, they can reproduce it on the non XML config version, or ask any distributor that uses the XML config version.
Don't give into the FUD, its a good idea.
One of the things that sets Red Hat Linux apart from some other distributions is, actually, that most of our config tools try to parse existing config files rather than simply dumping any changes made by the user.
Are you sure? The Apache config tool from 7.1 writes a httpd.conf with a comment saying `don't edit this' and a while nbuch of whitespace before the file starts.
Not that I blame Red Hat. The non bandaid solution is to standardize (yes, standardize! on an open source system! have I blown your mind yet?) on a particular format for config files.
This way:
1. People writing GUI tools don't have to write new parsers for each config file
2. People writing GUI tools and those hacking directly will be able to work with each other properly
3. For those that hack directly, ffile formats are consistent
4. For those that hack directly, syntax errors are obvious to correct
Grub uses a different syntax when referring to hard drives, taken from a BSD IIRC. Hence its annoying to remember a new (yes simple, but different) set of device names thats only used by one program on the system.
Try telling newbies having bootloader problems why this is the case. `Because nobody could be bothered' will not come off looking good for Linux.
It fix it myself, but I can't do much with C beyond reading it.
If anyone has such skills, a request: please make Linux device syntax an option in Grub. Thanks.
We have tried Reiserfs on one of our dev servers and discovered that it did not completely meet our needs because some of the features I wanted to use were simply not availabe. I am referring to the file attributes of append only and immutable which will slow down an attacker's progress in tampering with log files.
Immutable? Bah. Everyone knows `chattr +i ' makes that file invincible ; )
Complexity costs money.
I write for a couple of Australian Computer Magazines. I've spent the last week interviewing a couple of people for an article I'm writing about server appliances.
One person I'd spoke to got the appliances to replace a Linux based firewall. The firewall worked, but nobody knew how to use it, and it seemed too complex for anyone on staff to operate. They couldn't read the logs, so they didn't know if anyone was attacking them. It was different from all their other systems, so it was hard to learn. And if they wanted to open a port for their Outlook Web Access (which they did) they couldn't. Hiring seperate IT staff to do this work is a cost they couldn't afford.
So they replaced the system with a firewall appliance - specifically a NetGear screening router.
These devices generally use some form os Linux inside them anyway, but the lady I spoke to presented an excellent argument against using traditional non embedded Linux firewalls in SMEs.
A long term friend of mine makes his living as a solo gold miner. Despite these artificial limitation posed by the the US and Australian DoD, apparently everyone who's wanted to has been able to get accuracy to within fifteen meters for quite some time now.
Unfortunately, I'm not too sure on the specifics whic hallow this. Do the sattellites give bad readings which can be easily re-set to their true value, is some kind of interpretarion of multiple results possible (a kind of triangulation)? Either way, this has been the case for over five years.
Indeed. But you still need Mplayer for your WMV / Diaskiaud movies. This format is the non streaming version of ASF, and Xine doesn't support it yet.
When it does, Xine wil rock.
Quicktime is a wrapper format. It works at a nigher layer than the actual codec, which can be be any number of format,s but is usually Sorenson.
Sorenson is exclusively licensed to apple. The Linux programs that play and make Quicktime fils do so with other codecs. You can play the films made on Linux back under Windows Quicktime, but 99.95% of the content avaliable on the web won't play under these Linux players, because they're Sorenson, and the players don't support Sorenson.
For Quicktime under Linux, use Codeweavers crossover
That's a troll? I haven't said anything more than my opinion (clearly labeled as such) and the view expressed isn't exactly unique.
If you want to compare to Windows: up till Windows XP it wasn't even possible to be logged in as multiple users at the same time, so the equivalent of a local root exploit was not really possible.
NT has has the ability to run su type programs for a very long time (since the NT4 resource kit).
There's been multiuser (albeit remote) version of NT since Citrix released their NT 3.51 Terminal Server.
>>this is one of the few rays of light with regards to any kind of widespread adoption of mozilla.
>Bullsh*t
Strong words. That depends on your definition of widespread, and I agree with the post you're replying to - none of the platforms you've mentioned are anything near widespread or common on desktop machines. Certainly none of them approach the circa 1998 Mozilla hype coming out of the Mozilla / Netscape camp.
Don't be so agressive and realize for a second that there's a reason so many people think Mozilla has failed. Their being uninformed isn't one of them.
THanks to you both. I simply didn't realize the Install button listed more packages. Scary I know ho to configure Apache, Postfix, Samba and the like but I'm not that great with a pretty GTK GUI installer.
It seems like a basic question. Ximian obviously produced packages and makes them avaliable through Red Carpet.
But on my system the `Evolution Snapshot' channel is filled with Evolution *support* packages but not Evolution itself. I have no binaries or packages containing the word Eolution in my system evven though I've downloading everything avaliable via Red Carpet, including everything in the Evolution Snapshot channel.
Subject says it all really. Do you want to learn more?
Since Red Hat (according both Netcraft and the usual market research firms) is more than fifty percent of all installed Linux systems, with SuSE, Turbolinux, and Caldera (which all use RPM) being the other major players, I'd say your 80% figure is a flaming load of poo.
Sorry not to burst your bubble. There's a standard and more people would like proprietary vendors to package their apps than otherwise.
Deal with it.
You *still* don't understand. The sorting and tweaking of LS should be handles outside of ls - if anythbing, ls would have less options, because it won't deal with presentation issues itself.
AFAIK the only major 3D card unsupported on Linux is the Kyro, for whom drivers are coming. All the other people who produce cards fast enough to play current 3D games on any platform, thats:
* NVIDIA
* ATI
* Matrox
* Crusty old 3DFX
has drivers. Laptops can be a problem there, buit massive headway has been made into this area in the last six months.
What card do you actually own?
You will notice, however, that no one has ever written a script to connect khtml to, say, wget.
These connects aren't limited to scripts, they'll work in most interpreted or compiled langauges with KDE bindings. But yes, one can embed for example, a netscape plugin viewer kpart inside khtml.
Firstly.. I don't think that 'all graphical programs are limited in UI'. In general, they are.
It's good to hear you have an open mind.
If I take a windows PC, and a Linux PC, and I want to do something 'innovative'.. like have my IP address automatically posted to a web page, and have my incoming ICQ messages automatically logged to a file, as well as copied & zipped to another file, then ftp'd to a remote host...
That's a matter of scripting, which can be achieved in a reasonable manner with scripting tools on either platform, though it seems you haven't kept current on the Windows side of things.
These sort of tasks are very difficult to automate in Windows, and very straightforward to automate in unix
That isn't correct. You evidently have more Unix experience than Windows. With the exception of the ICQ parts (sub in use MSN messenger) its entirely possible.
And on your point about the unix philosophy being 'mistaken'. You seem to think ifconfig should output exactly what you want
No I do not. You have fundamantally misunderstood the solution presented. Rather than filtering via arbitrary text strings which may change and have no standard format, filter via fields. Ifconfig outputs structured data, I filter it by tellign it the fields and records I'm looking for.
Since the `|' was invented by Doug McIlroy in 1973, has there ever been a more effective way of reusing tools and connecting data ?
..well, text processing in general. Sed, awk, grep, and cut are all hackish workarounds for a problem that should have been solved a while ago. If I need to find out my IP address, there's no way I should have to cut text out of iconfigs output. I should simply ask ifconfig to output the first entry in the field `IP Address' for the first record in the set. This won't change because the command line afficionadoes (who seem to hate all non structured document format) are so familiar and have invested so much wasted time in text processing they cannot see it for the nasty hack it is. Thank god the rest of us do.
Yes there has. Pipes only offer a very limited flow of information between applications and has a horrible tendency not to seperate content from presentation, so you end with nasty hacks like
Most Unix users think all graphical programs are limited in UI because all they've been exposed to are poor graphical apps (notice the same people who complain about GUIs are fine using ncurses - perhaps its not GUIs, but slow and unresponsive apps that are the problem. So much of the Unix world remains stuck in the mistaken idea that Unix philosophy (small apps that work together) is somehow magically limited to command line apps. It isn't - the way ifconfig communicates with grep via pipes is much more limited and hackish than the way khtml communicates with konq via kparts.