The concept of `I eschew a desktop environment for a window manager' is false. All window managers are a desktop environment of some kind and contain a window manager along with other features. Got a way of bringing up an app menu? That's not part of window management, so you're also a user environment.
Whether this is a list box or an icon is irrelevant and is certainly not the difference between a desktop env and a wm. Does GNOME stop being a desktop when everybody who runs it turns of Nautilus so that their system works properly, and runs their desktop without icons?
Blackbox/IceWM/Sawfish is a desktop environment. Its just a less bloated / full featured as KDE or GNOME.
While we're on the topic of common misconceptions, could everybody read the dictionary, the FSF confusing words lists, or the OSI web pages sometime?
<b>Commercial is not the opposite of Open Source</b>. Never has been, never will. I don't pay for Red Hat Linux, but parts of it (such as the installer) are produced with commercial benefit in mind, similar to free to ait television. Red hat Linux is (IMHO anyway) a good commercial Open Source app. There are many others - Zope, large chunks of Zend, etc.
The opposite of Open Source / Free Software is
* proprietary
*closed source
* non free
etc etc etc.
<b>Assuming that all Open Source projects are inherintly non commercial is not only false but very rude to the companis that produce Open Source software with their own financial gain in mind, but which also benefits the community</b>
I was talking about the clients too. If your telneting or ftping to a remote server, all your info (id, password) is transmitted clear text. These can be sniffed. I don't know the specifics of how this is done, but I do know someone who recently had his box rooted because of this.
Use any networking sniffing and packet analysis tool - try ethereal. Sniff the network and view the payload of the packets.
When most people refer to Telnet, they refer to using it to talk to a Telnet server. This is the stupid use of Telnet. What the person bove was talking about was using Telnet to talk to a mail server, or a web servr, etc. All these Open Internet standards are based on ASCII text. If you'd like to check if your mail server isn't an open mail relay, try Telnetting to it and trying to relay - if you get a `relaying denied' message your box is safe. There's nothing really bwring with telnetting to non-telnet servers providing you're not sending passwords.
(a deltic so please dont moan about spelling but the content)
What exactly is a deltic? Are you a triangle, a sediment desposit at the mouth of a river or what? Or is `deltic' your way of spelling dyslexic and being humorous?
Actually, it includes all four journaling filesystems in the install which are now available: ReiserFS, ext3, XFS, and JFS.
Excellent. This makes comparative analysis of the jarious journalling and semi journalling filesystems extremely easy. Benchmarking? Hell no. Put them in a cage and have them fight it out vince McMahon style. My moneys on XFS.:)
SuSE wins in terms of default telnet and FTP servers, but again I suspect this is a design decision. Although not enabled by default,
Good. Telnet is telnet, and FTP servers generally need a lot of patching (unless you're using a good one like PureFFTPd). Clicking a switch to turn something on is more effective than reinstalling abox once its compromised.
Both are very easy to configure and I find the ability to telnet and FTP to my work PC when working from home one of the strongest selling points of Linux generally.
No. Not Telnet. Telnet is used to
* talk to printers
* troubleshoot servers based on ASCII text based protocols
* talk to cheap and shitty routers
It is not used to:
* login to any PC through the internet
* log in to an pc per se
* Talk to routers who use SSH.
Telnet sends password in clear text. Someone can run a variety of programs that simply see your password - no decryptioon required. SSH is:
* Encrypted
* Compressed
* Capable of running GUI appss easier than Telnet can
* Able to transfer files
* As ubiquitous as Telnet is - clients and servers avaliable for every platform
MS including a Telnet server in W2K pro (using either Telnet or the broken NTLM auth method) was one of the major downsides to that OS.
I don't mind software that is released under a non-Free Open Source license (like IPfilter) - although those packages do have limited benefit to the community because of distribution restrictions.
As you you've said, IPFilter is non-free, but it isn't Open Source either, nor is it compatible with the BSD distribution guidelines. If you don't have a problem with having access to the source code under such a license, maybe Microsoft Windows 2000 and PocketPC would appeal? They also have similar licenses, although the PocketPC one is much more available than the Windows 2000 one.
A similar story exists for TinyDNS, Qmail, and Pine.
And why the exception for relational databases? Ever think there might be more? TinyDNS is good software. What about games? Desktops secretaries could use? Or even small business servers? (those guys won't ever learn vi and its not like many distributions with the exception of esmith are making anything close to a non-Unix user friendly server distribution.
Use the best tool for the job. If you don't, you shouldn't be employed. If that's Open Source, great, but sometimes it won't be. Make decisions based on technical and factual information rather than religion. That's what you're paid to do.
Yes, but I will pay for it (if its published as a Linux version), and moe to the point I have paid for around ten Loki games where this installer is used. If I pay for something I want a quality product or the support to make it one, whether its open source, closed source or otherwise.
If nobodies found that feature useful, then how come nearly every every GNOME or KDE administrative app has this feature and the few that don't have it in their bug database? Games are for desktop users. Telling someone to open a terminal and substutute users does not inspire confidence in Linux as a desktop system.
Finally, you don't mean commercial software, acccording to logic, any dictionary, the FSF or the OSI. You mean closed source, non free, orproprietary. Whether comething is commercial or not has no bearing on whether it is Open Source or otherwise. For someone that seems so enthusiastic about OSS / FS its surprising that not only do you not seem to understand this on your own but you've never read the FSF misleading words list which illustrates this point. Red Hat Linux's installer and Zope and to a large extent PHP are commercial applications, despite having their source code licensed under OSD compliant licenses.
And finally: you are a perfect example of a slashdot slashdot troll, replying aggressively to an accurate criticism of an open source application with a rant about the benefits of open source despite the fact that you audience is aware mof them and that you have very little understandoing of open source / free software or the reality of business.
WHAT? I point out that, unlike the story seems to incorrectly imply, worms can and do infect Linux systems, and I get modded down as flamebait? . I have five PCs at home and four of them run Linux, and I'm at work sitting on a Linux machine right now.
Just because I don't believe that any OS is perfect, including Linux, I get labelled as flamebait? The stories implication that worms don't affect Linux systems is what's flamebait, and demonstrably false.
That's ridiculous. No. I can't be bothered. When I'm going to pay for a game which includes the installer, I shouldn't have to go improve the software myself.
The `don't bitch' attitude is laughable. If the people who write and advocate Open Source software in comparison to proprietary software don't expect users to make the same comparison, then something is very wrong.
"This util is still too stupid to ask for your root password, so substitute users first. "
It's open source, submit a patch.
When I'm paying for the game, I shouldn't have to:). But anyway, there already is one - gnome-auth. When I suggested Loki use it they said something along the lines of `that's nice dear'.
The GF2MX hits it's invisible FPS wall at 800x600. I know this because I have one. Not a problem with the game at all.
Yes, but I never set the game to run at 1600 x 1200. By default most 3D games (including Wolf3D, but only sometimes) run at 640 x 480 and make you up the res yourself. At 1600 x 1200 its so slow its almost difficult to lower the resolution in the menu. A problem with the game.
Kingpin had a good flamethrower - its effects were almost as good as Wolfs. But the crispy burning shader and the residual flames are unsurpassed in Wolf.
First things first: all users need write access to your install dir. Saving individual settings to home dirs hasn't been implemented yet.
Linux wise, its the standard loki install. This util is still too stupid to ask for your root password, so substitute users first. Works happily with Mesa or NVidia/SGIs OpenGL implementation. No KDE / GNOME icons but I'm sure they'll be there in the non-alphas.
The game also occasionally started unusually slow. It was running at my desktop res - 1600 x 1200, and needed to be set down to 640 x 480 on my GeForce2MX (tho apparently these requirements will go down, and one of the weapons has a tendency to increase lag dramatically, which might account for my lack of frames). The game uses a lot of polygons, especially for the outside areas in this demo. The maps feel a little like Quake 3 Team Arena - wide open natural spaces with buildings thrown around them. The map in this demo has a lot of fotifications, including mounted weapons one can take control of.
Gameplay wise: Feels a lot like Unreal Tournament's Assault mode. This multiplayer test is a team game where the allies must storm an Axis beachfront, find some documents, and take them to a radioo room. There's different roles, Lieutenant, Soldier, Medic, and Engineer.
The Engineer has TNT to can blow up walls, can disable other peoples TNT, and has pliers which I think might cut through the barbed wire.
The medic hands out medikits. When you die on Wolf, you lay on the ground and be wounded. You can either sit there and wit for a medic from your team, or die immediately and respawn when the next `reinforcement' interval comes up.
The Soldier has a much wider range of weapons than the other two, including a massive gattling gun and the worlds first realistic video game flamethrower.
Neither I, nor anyone else, played Lieutenant.
Work a laugh: There's no swatikas, and the Allies flag is a US one. They're bowing down to the censorship idiots and offending those who actually fought at the same time. Oh well, its just a game...
Et al? These things are rampant and generally attack older Bind, lrpng, or wuftpd (Damn those rappers and their shitty FTP server!). Run up2date or whatever your distro uses and you won't get them. Just like running Windows update on an IIS box, really...
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RPM has a *much* larger installed base than apt
You didn't get the point. APT is not a packaging system. Never was, never will be. It sits on top of packaging systems, including DEB or RPM. There are already 2 RPM based distributions with APT support.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the latest stable release the most used one, and the one that should get primary attention?
No, you're right. I was being sarcastic in that sentence where I called people running the stable Red Hat `silly'. I should have made that more obvious....
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It works well in Connectiva and Mandrake, both of which are RPM based. Which is a good thing, as RPM is the Linux Standard Base packaging system, and far more used.
Debian's has some advantages in terms of packaging
1. Lots of available packaged software
2. A good set of packaging guidelines
Neither issue is to do with packaging systems but rather higher level tools and other considerations.
Red Hat could just as easily put KDE 2.2.1 in their up2date mirrors, but they don't. Which is a damned pity.
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/me mutters something *very nasty* about Bero
If its like KDE 2.2.0, Bero built them for 7.2. If you're silly enough to be running the stable release, you should rebuild every SRPM by hand, and then install a bunch of nonstable non-KDE apps
That's REALLY REALLY DUMB and is wasting vast quantities of everyone's time on the various KDE mailing lists.
Go here to get properly built, working 2.2 packages for 7.1. With any luck our mate ben should make 2.2.1 ones real soon.
Otherwise, ask the Freshrpms guy. Need a working package for anything for a Red Hat system? This guy is nice enough to take requests too.
The B'Nai Brith Anti Defamation league is simply a group who agressively pursues anyone who dares contradict Israeli propaganda.
Here in Australia, they claimed the Wesley Mission, a large church group who is well known for doing work with homeless people, prostitutes, gay folk, and anyone else (i.e, they are fairly well known for being non descriminatory), was `racist' because a minister expressed sympathy for the Palestinians after an attack. With an Australian sense of humor, I think most people reading about it found it quite hilarious, but if you're on the recieving end of their lawyers, I imagine you wouldn't.
This fear is what keeps some of the more agressive Israel supporters in their positions. There's a well known Australian businessman who continually funds development of land on the west bank. There's a fair few people who would feel fairly uncomfortable knowing their money is going towards illegally expanding this country, who supports both torture and landmines, beyond its boundaries. Bnai Brith is designed to intimidate people who oppose these actions and the people who support them.
However, many more apps have accelerated OpenGL drivers than XRender drivers.
OpenGL is a much more established (and supported!) standard, plus it does a lot more than XRender.
Again, flat difference of opinion. I disagrre with you. Xrender does things like text the way they were always done with a few improvements (ie, rgb becomes rgba).
The "Home"... CANNOT be used as a client on anything but a peer-to-peer network. It won't allow you to log into a NT domain...iIt has no support for SMP at all. MS chose to deliberately CRIPPLE it, and yet sell it for a radically increased price over ME/98.
98 can't join a domain or do SMP either. Neither can its equivalent, XP home. Ho hum.
The Home version upgrade is 100% more expensive than ME! For what benefit? None that I can tell.
Well, asides from the stability, XP is specifically designed to be more legacy compatible than 2000 was. Oh, and multiple user GUI logins, and a nicer help and support, and Media Player 8, more readable text, and a newer, different version of Windows Explorer.
As one/. poster has put it (brilliantly, I might add), that with XP, Microsoft has done to itself what the DOJ never could have done: Release a product that will ENABLE competition, and possibly ruin the company.
hehe. Because MS allows you to uninstall all 300k of the Axtive X loading system known as IEXPLORE.EXE (and not the stacks of activex control it actually calls?). In case you haven't realized, Mozilla failed, spectacularly. Galeon's and Konq and Opera are usable on Linux, but Window users use IE because THEY PREFER IT.
The Home version upgrade is 100% more expensive than ME! For what benefit? None that I can tell. Sure, you are likely to gain some of 2000's stability, but you will surely lose game compatibility (which is why the deplorable Win `9X is still the gamers OS). Is that worth $100?
Not to me. And I'd bet not to many joe blows.
I'd bet otherwise. In fact, I bet you ten US dollars, redeemable on 20030101, that XP is not widely viewed upon as the downfall of MS. Something else might be, but not XPs lack of quality.
Unfortunately, many Linux users still don't get basic usability. Why do most Linux distributions sort their apsp by toolkit rather than function? When was the last time your parents on their Windows box asked for a MFC (as opposed to VCL or other) app...oh, and it can it be a web browser.
Better yet, read the modem HOWTO for a laugh.
Which can lose you your data if there is but the SLIGHTEST glitch in this proces
That is false. You will not lose you your data. If you perform certain upgrades, you your os might require you yourself to call MS within a few days and reactivate you your OS. Most people don't perform such upgrades so frequently. Even techies don't, and when you do, its only a phone call.
For the record, I use and adore Linux, and write books and articles that try and make things easier for people to do so. But I use Linux because its good and because I like Open Sourc,e not because of somerreligios anto MS zealotr, that prevents me from recognizing the good bits that are worth stealing. Oddly enough, I find Linux users that matter (i.e, not me) share the same view - the GNOME and KDE folk seem to be able to recognize that MS actually does some pretty good work, and works on taking elements of that into their various apps. In fact every major influential Linux person I've ever had the chance to meet - Alan Cox, Richard Gooch, John Hall, Marceij and George from Ximian, Raph Levine, etc. etc. has been a reasonable and clear headed person who can actually recognize that MS comes up with the odd good idea. Which is good - because we can copy them.
And that redeems my faith in Linux after listening to the Slashdot trolls condemn everything MS does, including the things it will be important to emulate if Linux is to have any chance of world domination.
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The concept of `I eschew a desktop environment for a window manager' is false. All window managers are a desktop environment of some kind and contain a window manager along with other features. Got a way of bringing up an app menu? That's not part of window management, so you're also a user environment.
Whether this is a list box or an icon is irrelevant and is certainly not the difference between a desktop env and a wm. Does GNOME stop being a desktop when everybody who runs it turns of Nautilus so that their system works properly, and runs their desktop without icons?
Blackbox/IceWM/Sawfish is a desktop environment. Its just a less bloated / full featured as KDE or GNOME.
I'm pretty sure that GNOME is getting a new file selection dialog, in fact in Ximian GNOME right now there is a new one, which is much nicer.
Even more interesting: this is actually a complete remake of the file selection from Microsoft Office 2000.
While we're on the topic of common misconceptions, could everybody read the dictionary, the FSF confusing words lists, or the OSI web pages sometime?
<b>Commercial is not the opposite of Open Source</b>. Never has been, never will. I don't pay for Red Hat Linux, but parts of it (such as the installer) are produced with commercial benefit in mind, similar to free to ait television. Red hat Linux is (IMHO anyway) a good commercial Open Source app. There are many others - Zope, large chunks of Zend, etc.
The opposite of Open Source / Free Software is
* proprietary
*closed source
* non free
etc etc etc.
<b>Assuming that all Open Source projects are inherintly non commercial is not only false but very rude to the companis that produce Open Source software with their own financial gain in mind, but which also benefits the community</b>
Deltic, as defined by every dictionary I can find, is either of the definitions above, and nothing to do with the way people spell.
Its a serious question, albeit offtopic. It is NOT flamebait.
I was talking about the clients too. If your telneting or ftping to a remote server, all your info (id, password) is transmitted clear text. These can be sniffed. I don't know the specifics of how this is done, but I do know someone who recently had his box rooted because of this.
Use any networking sniffing and packet analysis tool - try ethereal. Sniff the network and view the payload of the packets.
When most people refer to Telnet, they refer to using it to talk to a Telnet server. This is the stupid use of Telnet. What the person bove was talking about was using Telnet to talk to a mail server, or a web servr, etc. All these Open Internet standards are based on ASCII text. If you'd like to check if your mail server isn't an open mail relay, try Telnetting to it and trying to relay - if you get a `relaying denied' message your box is safe. There's nothing really bwring with telnetting to non-telnet servers providing you're not sending passwords.
(a deltic so please dont moan about spelling but the content)
What exactly is a deltic? Are you a triangle, a sediment desposit at the mouth of a river or what? Or is `deltic' your way of spelling dyslexic and being humorous?
Actually, it includes all four journaling filesystems in the install which are now available: ReiserFS, ext3, XFS, and JFS.
:)
Excellent. This makes comparative analysis of the jarious journalling and semi journalling filesystems extremely easy. Benchmarking? Hell no. Put them in a cage and have them fight it out vince McMahon style. My moneys on XFS.
SuSE wins in terms of default telnet and FTP servers, but again I suspect this is a design decision. Although not enabled by default,
Good. Telnet is telnet, and FTP servers generally need a lot of patching (unless you're using a good one like PureFFTPd). Clicking a switch to turn something on is more effective than reinstalling abox once its compromised.
Both are very easy to configure and I find the ability to telnet and FTP to my work PC when working from home one of the strongest selling points of Linux generally.
No. Not Telnet. Telnet is used to
* talk to printers
* troubleshoot servers based on ASCII text based protocols
* talk to cheap and shitty routers
It is not used to:
* login to any PC through the internet
* log in to an pc per se
* Talk to routers who use SSH.
Telnet sends password in clear text. Someone can run a variety of programs that simply see your password - no decryptioon required. SSH is:
* Encrypted
* Compressed
* Capable of running GUI appss easier than Telnet can
* Able to transfer files
* As ubiquitous as Telnet is - clients and servers avaliable for every platform
MS including a Telnet server in W2K pro (using either Telnet or the broken NTLM auth method) was one of the major downsides to that OS.
I don't mind software that is released under a non-Free Open Source license (like IPfilter) - although those packages do have limited benefit to the community because of distribution restrictions.
As you you've said, IPFilter is non-free, but it isn't Open Source either, nor is it compatible with the BSD distribution guidelines. If you don't have a problem with having access to the source code under such a license, maybe Microsoft Windows 2000 and PocketPC would appeal? They also have similar licenses, although the PocketPC one is much more available than the Windows 2000 one.
A similar story exists for TinyDNS, Qmail, and Pine.
And why the exception for relational databases? Ever think there might be more? TinyDNS is good software. What about games? Desktops secretaries could use? Or even small business servers? (those guys won't ever learn vi and its not like many distributions with the exception of esmith are making anything close to a non-Unix user friendly server distribution.
Use the best tool for the job. If you don't, you shouldn't be employed. If that's Open Source, great, but sometimes it won't be. Make decisions based on technical and factual information rather than religion. That's what you're paid to do.
I was aware of this before I posted, but should have written Unix rather than Linux at the top of the post. Oh well - point is still made.
Yes, but I will pay for it (if its published as a Linux version), and moe to the point I have paid for around ten Loki games where this installer is used. If I pay for something I want a quality product or the support to make it one, whether its open source, closed source or otherwise.
If nobodies found that feature useful, then how come nearly every every GNOME or KDE administrative app has this feature and the few that don't have it in their bug database? Games are for desktop users. Telling someone to open a terminal and substutute users does not inspire confidence in Linux as a desktop system.
Finally, you don't mean commercial software, acccording to logic, any dictionary, the FSF or the OSI. You mean closed source, non free, orproprietary. Whether comething is commercial or not has no bearing on whether it is Open Source or otherwise. For someone that seems so enthusiastic about OSS / FS its surprising that not only do you not seem to understand this on your own but you've never read the FSF misleading words list which illustrates this point. Red Hat Linux's installer and Zope and to a large extent PHP are commercial applications, despite having their source code licensed under OSD compliant licenses.
And finally: you are a perfect example of a slashdot slashdot troll, replying aggressively to an accurate criticism of an open source application with a rant about the benefits of open source despite the fact that you audience is aware mof them and that you have very little understandoing of open source / free software or the reality of business.
Moderation Totals: Flamebait=1, Total=1.
WHAT? I point out that, unlike the story seems to incorrectly imply, worms can and do infect Linux systems, and I get modded down as flamebait? . I have five PCs at home and four of them run Linux, and I'm at work sitting on a Linux machine right now.
Just because I don't believe that any OS is perfect, including Linux, I get labelled as flamebait? The stories implication that worms don't affect Linux systems is what's flamebait, and demonstrably false.
Why emulate when Linux already has such a wide selection to choose from?
* L10n
* Adore
* Ramen
* Sadmind
* Cheese
They'll run faster and fully featured natively.
Submit a patch, or don't bitch.
That's ridiculous. No. I can't be bothered. When I'm going to pay for a game which includes the installer, I shouldn't have to go improve the software myself.
The `don't bitch' attitude is laughable. If the people who write and advocate Open Source software in comparison to proprietary software don't expect users to make the same comparison, then something is very wrong.
"This util is still too stupid to ask for your root password, so substitute users first. "
:). But anyway, there already is one - gnome-auth. When I suggested Loki use it they said something along the lines of `that's nice dear'.
It's open source, submit a patch.
When I'm paying for the game, I shouldn't have to
The GF2MX hits it's invisible FPS wall at 800x600. I know this because I have one. Not a problem with the game at all.
Yes, but I never set the game to run at 1600 x 1200. By default most 3D games (including Wolf3D, but only sometimes) run at 640 x 480 and make you up the res yourself. At 1600 x 1200 its so slow its almost difficult to lower the resolution in the menu. A problem with the game.
Kingpin had a good flamethrower - its effects were almost as good as Wolfs. But the crispy burning shader and the residual flames are unsurpassed in Wolf.
First things first: all users need write access to your install dir . Saving individual settings to home dirs hasn't been implemented yet.
Linux wise, its the standard loki install. This util is still too stupid to ask for your root password, so substitute users first. Works happily with Mesa or NVidia/SGIs OpenGL implementation. No KDE / GNOME icons but I'm sure they'll be there in the non-alphas.
The game also occasionally started unusually slow. It was running at my desktop res - 1600 x 1200, and needed to be set down to 640 x 480 on my GeForce2MX (tho apparently these requirements will go down, and one of the weapons has a tendency to increase lag dramatically, which might account for my lack of frames). The game uses a lot of polygons, especially for the outside areas in this demo. The maps feel a little like Quake 3 Team Arena - wide open natural spaces with buildings thrown around them. The map in this demo has a lot of fotifications, including mounted weapons one can take control of.
Gameplay wise: Feels a lot like Unreal Tournament's Assault mode. This multiplayer test is a team game where the allies must storm an Axis beachfront, find some documents, and take them to a radioo room. There's different roles, Lieutenant, Soldier, Medic, and Engineer.
The Engineer has TNT to can blow up walls, can disable other peoples TNT, and has pliers which I think might cut through the barbed wire.
The medic hands out medikits. When you die on Wolf, you lay on the ground and be wounded. You can either sit there and wit for a medic from your team, or die immediately and respawn when the next `reinforcement' interval comes up.
The Soldier has a much wider range of weapons than the other two, including a massive gattling gun and the worlds first realistic video game flamethrower.
Neither I, nor anyone else, played Lieutenant.
Work a laugh: There's no swatikas, and the Allies flag is a US one. They're bowing down to the censorship idiots and offending those who actually fought at the same time. Oh well, its just a game...
Hasn't anyone ever heard of...
l10n
Adore
Ramen
Et al? These things are rampant and generally attack older Bind, lrpng, or wuftpd (Damn those rappers and their shitty FTP server!). Run up2date or whatever your distro uses and you won't get them. Just like running Windows update on an IIS box, really...
RPM has a *much* larger installed base than apt
You didn't get the point. APT is not a packaging system. Never was, never will be. It sits on top of packaging systems, including DEB or RPM. There are already 2 RPM based distributions with APT support.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the latest stable release the most used one, and the one that should get primary attention?
No, you're right. I was being sarcastic in that sentence where I called people running the stable Red Hat `silly'. I should have made that more obvious....
It works well in Connectiva and Mandrake, both of which are RPM based. Which is a good thing, as RPM is the Linux Standard Base packaging system, and far more used.
Debian's has some advantages in terms of packaging
1. Lots of available packaged software
2. A good set of packaging guidelines
Neither issue is to do with packaging systems but rather higher level tools and other considerations.
Red Hat could just as easily put KDE 2.2.1 in their up2date mirrors, but they don't. Which is a damned pity.
/me mutters something *very nasty* about Bero
If its like KDE 2.2.0, Bero built them for 7.2. If you're silly enough to be running the stable release, you should rebuild every SRPM by hand, and then install a bunch of nonstable non-KDE apps
That's REALLY REALLY DUMB and is wasting vast quantities of everyone's time on the various KDE mailing lists.
Go here to get properly built, working 2.2 packages for 7.1. With any luck our mate ben should make 2.2.1 ones real soon.
Otherwise, ask the Freshrpms guy. Need a working package for anything for a Red Hat system? This guy is nice enough to take requests too.
The B'Nai Brith Anti Defamation league is simply a group who agressively pursues anyone who dares contradict Israeli propaganda.
Here in Australia, they claimed the Wesley Mission, a large church group who is well known for doing work with homeless people, prostitutes, gay folk, and anyone else (i.e, they are fairly well known for being non descriminatory), was `racist' because a minister expressed sympathy for the Palestinians after an attack. With an Australian sense of humor, I think most people reading about it found it quite hilarious, but if you're on the recieving end of their lawyers, I imagine you wouldn't.
This fear is what keeps some of the more agressive Israel supporters in their positions. There's a well known Australian businessman who continually funds development of land on the west bank. There's a fair few people who would feel fairly uncomfortable knowing their money is going towards illegally expanding this country, who supports both torture and landmines, beyond its boundaries. Bnai Brith is designed to intimidate people who oppose these actions and the people who support them.
Alternatively, you could fix directory sorting so that it accurately reflects the way most people save their files.
However, many more apps have accelerated OpenGL drivers than XRender drivers.
OpenGL is a much more established (and supported!) standard, plus it does a lot more than XRender.
Again, flat difference of opinion. I disagrre with you. Xrender does things like text the way they were always done with a few improvements (ie, rgb becomes rgba).
The "Home" ... CANNOT be used as a client on anything but a peer-to-peer network. It won't allow you to log into a NT domain...iIt has no support for SMP at all. MS chose to deliberately CRIPPLE it, and yet sell it for a radically increased price over ME/98.
/. poster has put it (brilliantly, I might add), that with XP, Microsoft has done to itself what the DOJ never could have done: Release a product that will ENABLE competition, and possibly ruin the company.
98 can't join a domain or do SMP either. Neither can its equivalent, XP home. Ho hum.
The Home version upgrade is 100% more expensive than ME! For what benefit? None that I can tell.
Well, asides from the stability, XP is specifically designed to be more legacy compatible than 2000 was. Oh, and multiple user GUI logins, and a nicer help and support, and Media Player 8, more readable text, and a newer, different version of Windows Explorer.
As one
hehe. Because MS allows you to uninstall all 300k of the Axtive X loading system known as IEXPLORE.EXE (and not the stacks of activex control it actually calls?). In case you haven't realized, Mozilla failed, spectacularly. Galeon's and Konq and Opera are usable on Linux, but Window users use IE because THEY PREFER IT.
The Home version upgrade is 100% more expensive than ME! For what benefit? None that I can tell. Sure, you are likely to gain some of 2000's stability, but you will surely lose game compatibility (which is why the deplorable Win `9X is still the gamers OS). Is that worth $100?
Not to me. And I'd bet not to many joe blows.
I'd bet otherwise. In fact, I bet you ten US dollars, redeemable on 20030101, that XP is not widely viewed upon as the downfall of MS. Something else might be, but not XPs lack of quality.
Unfortunately, many Linux users still don't get basic usability. Why do most Linux distributions sort their apsp by toolkit rather than function? When was the last time your parents on their Windows box asked for a MFC (as opposed to VCL or other) app...oh, and it can it be a web browser.
Better yet, read the modem HOWTO for a laugh.
Which can lose you your data if there is but the SLIGHTEST glitch in this proces
That is false. You will not lose you your data. If you perform certain upgrades, you your os might require you yourself to call MS within a few days and reactivate you your OS. Most people don't perform such upgrades so frequently. Even techies don't, and when you do, its only a phone call.
For the record, I use and adore Linux, and write books and articles that try and make things easier for people to do so. But I use Linux because its good and because I like Open Sourc,e not because of somerreligios anto MS zealotr, that prevents me from recognizing the good bits that are worth stealing. Oddly enough, I find Linux users that matter (i.e, not me) share the same view - the GNOME and KDE folk seem to be able to recognize that MS actually does some pretty good work, and works on taking elements of that into their various apps. In fact every major influential Linux person I've ever had the chance to meet - Alan Cox, Richard Gooch, John Hall, Marceij and George from Ximian, Raph Levine, etc. etc. has been a reasonable and clear headed person who can actually recognize that MS comes up with the odd good idea. Which is good - because we can copy them.
And that redeems my faith in Linux after listening to the Slashdot trolls condemn everything MS does, including the things it will be important to emulate if Linux is to have any chance of world domination.