If you could buy a similar spec PC (which you can't because there are no that slow)
Please provide a link to a computer the same size (or even a little bigger) as a Mac mini that's as powerful.
Last I checked, there was a 700Mhz Pentium I, and that was about it. Just in case somebody feels like mentioning shuttle, most shuttle cases are a about 5-6x the size of a Mini.
No doubt in the next year you'll see a lot more small integrated boxes in x86 space. In the meantime, I'll be sitting in this couch, with my wireless keyboard and mouse, staring at my 4 meters of screen running OpenOffice, Firefox, XChat, Evo, vpnc, and every other app I need to get work done / geek out (yeah, I use Linux on it - Fedora 4 to be precise) from the tiny box in my stereo cabinet.
We do not carry software rated adults only (as rated by the ESRB).
We don't have Wal-mart in Australia. I always thought it was a department store (like the similarly named K-Mart, which we do have), and sold things for adults. Is it a toy store?
These devices can scan most TCP protocols for any kind of malicious content, like snort-style IPS sigs, viruses, phishing sigs, spyware (generally ActiveX), etc. And since they are the gateway, they can also block or sanitize the content.
Why are they using a distro that has licensing fees at all? I mean, if you're going to migrate to Linux, why wouldn't you choose a free distro like Ubuntu, and if you needed support you could always urchase it from Canonical...
What kind of support infrastructure does Canonical have in New Zealand?
IIRC (its been years since I've done Windows certifications), an MCP has completed a single OS exam, most likely a workstation one. I think a lot of 9 year old kids could do this.
I'd rather have secure defaults and break, and require the users get patched versions of, their crappy software. The decision to value compatibility over security will haunt them for a while to come.
I already mentioned Evolution. Evince and Liferea would be others.
If you've ever used Run As, you'll know a massive amount of apps don't run properly under it.
The user who blindly click OK are precisely the ones that need to be protected. Getting those users to type a password to run an administrative app is a simple an effective way of letting them know when an app is trying to do something it shouldn't.
First you quote me... "You install it, there's no apps (or crap ones..."
Then you say: This represents the classic slashdot point of view where IT people try to understand how real people use their computers. Outside of the admin and support staff, the productive value of computers are appplications.
You install it, there's no apps (or crap ones - compare IE to Firefox or Outlook Express to Evolution), or you pay lots of money to get them.
You run as root by default, not for ease of use (how difficult is 'type your passsword to continue' that Fedora and OS X do?) but because Microsoft and Windows developers couldn't be bothered fixing things. And you get spyware and viruses as a result, and you fix most, but a few remain, and the whole thing moves like molasses. The SP2 'firewall' still lets in about 7 network ports by default, including those used for some of the major worms.
That's why I recommend Linux. I don't see either item changing soon either. I've played with Longhorns betas, and nothing's different. It's your computer, you may as well use it. That's why I recommend Fedora.
The rest of the songs are from ripped CDs. As you say, iTunes rips to some weird format by default. But I think a good portion of users use other ripping methods, or just download mp3s.
Thin clients keep all their info on the server. This is NOT a thin client. It might be called a remote client, but each blade has its own CPU, disk drives, etc
Like any remotely recent thin client from Wyse or whoever else, that run Linux, Mozilla, and various Linux apps, or Windows CE, or XP embedded, or whatever else, have disk drives, CPUs, etc?
You're saying pam_krb5 only gets TGTs, and doesn't use them to get service tickets? I think you may be right (it's been a long time since I've used kerberos but what you're saying sounds familiar).
But there's no point using fingerprints for authentication. They've been widely discredited. Most commercial fingerprint readers can be fooled with a surgical glove filled with warm water. If you really wanted to you could print a replica of the print (which people tend to expose readily) but in most caes, the print from the last user is left on the device and you don't even need to.
The only biometric I can see being remotely useful is data on fingernails (see boingboing recently - if you don't what what boingboing, is, it's where slashdot get their interesting stories). Unlike most biometrics, fingernail data makes it easy to replace compromised credentials.
I'm pretty sure ssh can and does use pam_krb5. system-config-authentication, mention the KDC,/etc/pam.d/system-auth (included from/etc/pam.d/sshd) calls pam_krb5
Yeah, actually. Usable defaults is a good thing, makes a world of difference to a lot of people, and yes, is something Debian historically lacked. Remeber the install asking you every module you wanted to use, on a PnP bus? Do you reckon that turned anyone off Debian?
Those who've used Linux for awhile probably know useradd, passwd and chage. For those who don't , and who need to achieve a task, having easily discoverable ways to doing things is an essential.
my box is up for about 20 days now, I even installed MSDE (the lite version of SQL Server) withouth having to reboot.
People bash MS a bit too much around here, IMHO.
A 20 day uptime isn't impressive. Nor is the ability to occasionally install new apps or bugfixes without having to stop all the apps on the system, kick of all the users, and reboot.
Red Hat Enterprise already has a 7 year life cycle, and SLES has 5 years.
Asides from installing software, which is easier in Ubuntu, RHEL 4 or Fedora 4 should be easier than the current Ubuntu, as there's more system-config-* tools than Ubuntu GUI config apps.
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If you could buy a similar spec PC (which you can't because there are no that slow)
Please provide a link to a computer the same size (or even a little bigger) as a Mac mini that's as powerful.
Last I checked, there was a 700Mhz Pentium I, and that was about it. Just in case somebody feels like mentioning shuttle, most shuttle cases are a about 5-6x the size of a Mini.
No doubt in the next year you'll see a lot more small integrated boxes in x86 space. In the meantime, I'll be sitting in this couch, with my wireless keyboard and mouse, staring at my 4 meters of screen running OpenOffice, Firefox, XChat, Evo, vpnc, and every other app I need to get work done / geek out (yeah, I use Linux on it - Fedora 4 to be precise) from the tiny box in my stereo cabinet.
We do not carry software rated adults only (as rated by the ESRB).
We don't have Wal-mart in Australia. I always thought it was a department store (like the similarly named K-Mart, which we do have), and sold things for adults. Is it a toy store?
These devices can scan most TCP protocols for any kind of malicious content, like snort-style IPS sigs, viruses, phishing sigs, spyware (generally ActiveX), etc. And since they are the gateway, they can also block or sanitize the content.
You might also want to check out the Netfilter equivalent.
Why are they using a distro that has licensing fees at all? I mean, if you're going to migrate to Linux, why wouldn't you choose a free distro like Ubuntu, and if you needed support you could always urchase it from Canonical...
What kind of support infrastructure does Canonical have in New Zealand?
What does Novell have, for its Linux products?
What does Red Hat Asia Pacific have?
IIRC (its been years since I've done Windows certifications), an MCP has completed a single OS exam, most likely a workstation one. I think a lot of 9 year old kids could do this.
I'd rather have secure defaults and break, and require the users get patched versions of, their crappy software. The decision to value compatibility over security will haunt them for a while to come.
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I already mentioned Evolution. Evince and Liferea would be others.
If you've ever used Run As, you'll know a massive amount of apps don't run properly under it.
The user who blindly click OK are precisely the ones that need to be protected. Getting those users to type a password to run an administrative app is a simple an effective way of letting them know when an app is trying to do something it shouldn't.
I'm just going to quote you there...
First you quote me...
"You install it, there's no apps (or crap ones..."
Then you say:
This represents the classic slashdot point of view where IT people try to understand how real people use their computers. Outside of the admin and support staff, the productive value of computers are appplications.
Really? Is Evo, or a comparable app, free on Windows? Got a URL?
And no, I liked and used IE when it was the best browser, whether it came with Windows or not.
Nah, I personally wouldn't. I gladly used IE when it was the best browser, and appreciated that it came with Windows.
Basing the 6/7 ports figure on an analysis of SP2 that was republished on theregister.co.uk around the time of release.
That's why I recommend Linux. I don't see either item changing soon either. I've played with Longhorns betas, and nothing's different. It's your computer, you may as well use it. That's why I recommend Fedora.
The rest of the songs are from ripped CDs. As you say, iTunes rips to some weird format by default. But I think a good portion of users use other ripping methods, or just download mp3s.
Thin clients keep all their info on the server. This is NOT a thin client. It might be called a remote client, but each blade has its own CPU, disk drives, etc
Like any remotely recent thin client from Wyse or whoever else, that run Linux, Mozilla, and various Linux apps, or Windows CE, or XP embedded, or whatever else, have disk drives, CPUs, etc?
You're saying pam_krb5 only gets TGTs, and doesn't use them to get service tickets? I think you may be right (it's been a long time since I've used kerberos but what you're saying sounds familiar).
Thanks.
You're right about PAM, BTW.
But there's no point using fingerprints for authentication. They've been widely discredited. Most commercial fingerprint readers can be fooled with a surgical glove filled with warm water. If you really wanted to you could print a replica of the print (which people tend to expose readily) but in most caes, the print from the last user is left on the device and you don't even need to.
The only biometric I can see being remotely useful is data on fingernails (see boingboing recently - if you don't what what boingboing, is, it's where slashdot get their interesting stories). Unlike most biometrics, fingernail data makes it easy to replace compromised credentials.
I'm pretty sure ssh can and does use pam_krb5. system-config-authentication, mention the KDC, /etc/pam.d/system-auth (included from /etc/pam.d/sshd) calls pam_krb5
Why wouldn't it be able to?
Windows Longhorn 5203?
Sure, I've got 5.2Gs free. *clicks the torrent*.
What?!?!
Screenshots!?!?
2002 wants its article back.
Yeah, actually. Usable defaults is a good thing, makes a world of difference to a lot of people, and yes, is something Debian historically lacked. Remeber the install asking you every module you wanted to use, on a PnP bus? Do you reckon that turned anyone off Debian?
Those who've used Linux for awhile probably know useradd, passwd and chage. For those who don't , and who need to achieve a task, having easily discoverable ways to doing things is an essential.
my box is up for about 20 days now, I even installed MSDE (the lite version of SQL Server) withouth having to reboot.
People bash MS a bit too much around here, IMHO.
A 20 day uptime isn't impressive. Nor is the ability to occasionally install new apps or bugfixes without having to stop all the apps on the system, kick of all the users, and reboot.
Red Hat Enterprise already has a 7 year life cycle, and SLES has 5 years.
Asides from installing software, which is easier in Ubuntu, RHEL 4 or Fedora 4 should be easier than the current Ubuntu, as there's more system-config-* tools than Ubuntu GUI config apps.
It's a tough choice, but I guess I'd go with Solaris 10.
Which Open Source Operating System do you see being used more often in the enterprise? Which has more development momentum?
BSD? Older than GNU/Linux, and people can do whatever they want, including take someone elses work and make it proprietary.
Or GNU/Linux, the younger OS where the GPL creates a snowball effect?
Actually, your doubt is well founded. I should actually say I've run Longhorn betas and enabled the desktop compositing service.