Actually, iirc GNOME actually got significantly more proposals than KDE did. However, note that Gaim was seperate, and got 15 itself, which combined with GNOME's 12 is more than KDE got.
...I hereby give you all permission to flame them across the ocean to america and back for identifying as IE by default (and then complaining about it!), because I agree =). (they have also in every previous instance I've witnessed taken the stance that 'firefox is a fine browser, but opera is better' (which I happen to agree with), so it's uncharacteristic of them to snipe at it... part of me has a suspicion that this is the media sensationalizing everything out of proportion again, but dunno...)
Itanium, maybe?
And the Pentium M is an excellent chip (unlike the P4), and Intel is apparently going to be basing their next desktop line off of it, so that may be as well.
...is that they treat games as art, rather than cheap entertainment. There's a huge amount of overlap, to be sure, but the difference in emphasis makes all the difference. It could be argued -- probably correctly -- that the masses want cheap entertainment and not art, but still, if Nintendo could cultivate a sort of elite Apple-esque image, rather than their current childish Disney-esque one, that'd work well for them, I think...
They've been saying how they realized that the look of the console matters. Hopefully this means they've grasped the larger concept that *image matters*, perhaps as much as everything else put together (they can have the best games out there, but if it's seen as an uncool thing to own, people won't own it*). However, from the rather narrow stuff I've heard from them (only talking about making it look physically better, nothing about the larger picture of *why* it needs to look physically better), I'm sadly doubtful...
* people suck
This is being blown *way* out of proportion
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What actually happened, was this: KHTML developer Zack Rusin read one too many uninformed comment on the internets about how awesome the cooperation between KHTML and Apple is; being on the recieving end of the very not awesome cooperation, he understandably got a bit pissed off, and blogged about it. The thing to note here is his ire *was not directed at Apple* (recognizing that they were fulfilling their legal obligations, and were required to do no more), but rather at the uninformed idiots. This has now been spun, in part by those same uninformed idiots, into the KHTML devs being whiny Apple-haters, and the whole legality question has also been quite predictably confused into it all as well, which was never a part of it.
So far, I have seen exactly one comment on this thread with some understanding of this. it'd be sad, if it weren't so fucking ironic...
...so ironically enough, people will move to Linux+wine instead as the path of least resistance:).
Which would be the case if the new APIs mattered at all to existing applications, which they don't -- they will continue working just as well as they always have with the existing ones. Microsoft is quite anal about this. So no need to emulate Longhorn until apps actually depend on it, which won't be till some time after it's released, I think.
I've been using Opera since forever, and KDE for ~a year so far as well. Basically, Opera is much better at actually browsing the web, while you can use Konqueror to browse literally just about *anything*, thanks to KParts and KIOSlaves.
Things Opera has that Konqueror doesn't, off the top of my head: (for the most part, these apply to Firefox sans extensions as well)
- Middle click to close tabs (this is actually possible with Konqi, but you have to edit a config file manually, and I only found it by looking around at bugs.kde.org...) - Minimize tabs -- it won't be activated (eg, after closing the previous tab) unless you do it manually -- great for when there's a page you want to get back to later - Reopen previously closed tabs - When you go back/forwards, it happens *instantly* - Faster and more responsive in general -- I'm often pissed at how laggy Opera is and go to try Konqi/Firefox, only to find that they're even worse - Native embedded-in-page SVG support (not much use at the moment, but hey, it's there) - Fit to width - Better zoom - both text and images - Fast forward -- finds the 'next' link, follows it - When you use forward (at least, the mouse gesture for it, which is what I always use), and there's nothing forwards in the history, it falls back on fast forward instead; or if there's a login form that you have stored info for, it logs you in. it's little things like this that can be very convenient... - Switch tabs by holding right mouse button + scrolling the wheel (tip: in the preferences, change it to "without showing list") - The scrolling thingy you get when middle clicking in a page is faster/better - Ability to have the sidepanel on the right (sorry, this is a pet issue of mine:) - Lots of nifty things you can do with said sidepanel -- drag tabs between windows and otherwise manage them via the 'windows' panel, select all the relevant links in the page in the 'links' panel and open them all at once, quick & easy notetaking (keeps track of which site you took them on, 'copy to note' entry in most context menus, etc.), embed a webpage as a panel with smallscreen rendering, it goes on - 'nicknames' for bookmarks, and for folders -- type it in the address bar to open it (so I just type 'technews' and it opens all 10-20 sites I have in that folder) - sessions -- if it crashes, when you next start it you have the option of resuming where you left off (you can also save/open sessions manually) - better handling of tabs in general -- can't quite figure out the difference, but when closing a page it usually activates the one I want, where Konqueror doesn't - UI is more customizable - better fullscreen mode - quickly toggle whether images are shown (useful for dialup, not so much for broadband) - full browsing with keyboard shortcuts - reopen blocked popups (getting into the features I don't personally use here...) - voice capabilities
Things Konqueror has Opera doesn't: - Convenient GUI way to change keyboard shortcuts - Inline text editing (Opera can be configured to use ASpell iirc, but you have to press a button for it to check) - Uses native Qt widgets (Opera has many excellent skins, but this would be better) - Effectively browse things that aren't the web
Multiple factors. - One of the two main desktop environments, tweaked and customized to make it even better. - Comes on a single CD. - Sane package management.
All the other 'major, user friendly' distros flunk the second two, vary on the first (from what I've heard SuSE is quite good in that respect, dunno about Fedora and Mandrak^H^Hiva). As for why it's better than MEPIS/Kanotix/etc., haven't looked into it enough to know, but I suspect up-to-dateness with the latest cool stuff may be one of the reasons.
If you don't have it then you are not, in fact, bleeding edge. It's in portage, just not yet marked as stable. (Last I checked it was hardmasked, don't know whether it's moved to plain ~unstable yet -- don't use it myself.)
...this has more humour value for the actual KDE(-devel) community for which it was intended, as KDE really *is* moving over to Subversion. The migration was originally planned to be completed today, but was delayed for a few more days due to various issues.
Thankfully I saw this earlier today from a less biased source, here.
It really goes far beyond the usual "omgwtf gta is teh violent!!111 rockstar is murderers!!1111 hysteria!!311 lawsuites!!1 hysteria!!!1" drivel -- it addresses the whole phenomenon of ever escalating violence and other 'indecency' in all forms of media (GTA itself was only mentioned in passing), parents' lack of time/resources to properly deal with it, and actually addresses the underlying societal concerns regarding the whole issue.
I don't know about you, but the vibe I got from it was "parents have the responsibility of caring for and raising their children, and deserve to have access to the tools they need to do so", which I can't help but agree with, not the usual "won't somebody please think of the children! censor it! censor it!" bullshit.
I also can't help but not be very surprised at/.'s misreporting of it.
It's the second. As of right now, I know of two browsers that work with GMail and aren't officially recognized by it, Konqueror 3.4 and Opera 8 -- neither have final versions released yet* (Konq's coming in a week or two, Opera WIR as usual), which is most likely why. This can be rather troublesome, however, when GMail forces you to the basic HTML view because of it. You can override this by using gmail.google.com/gmail?nocheckbrowser, but I had to look in their newgroup thingy to find this, they could at least have added a visible option...
I'm good at them, and I still couldn't get much out of those besides a headache. Here's a bunch ofbetter ones, just to show that they don't suck universally.
KDE 3.4 already has preliminary support for X.org's Composite extension, meaning compositing can be handed off to hardware, true transparency, drop shadows, and all that. Unfortunately it's still rather buggy, which is only partly KDE's fault, and partly X.org's (it's still a fairly new development). I'd say it's pretty safe to say 4.0 will have full support for hardware acceleration and all kinds of iCandy... especially considering Qt4's Arthur.
Just want to point out that they're not using the drivers to disable features on the lower chipsets by default. If you read the article you link to, you have to do a hardware mod to enable the functionality first; they're then disabling support for these hacked chipsets in their drivers. So it sucks, but it's not like they're relying on cheap software hacks to differentiate their products; rather using them to prevent people from removing their cheap hardware hacks.
Re:One reason why I'm still using Window Maker....
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That, and it's slow as fuck unless you have hardware acceleration. (Add Option "RenderAccel" "True" to the device section of xorg.conf if you have an nvidia card with the nvidia drivers.)
Well, I'll admit I never actually tried that:). It does accept spaces though, and I have a few with those, which is why I assumed mostly anything will go...
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Actually, iirc GNOME actually got significantly more proposals than KDE did. However, note that Gaim was seperate, and got 15 itself, which combined with GNOME's 12 is more than KDE got.
It's called Knowledge.
...I hereby give you all permission to flame them across the ocean to america and back for identifying as IE by default (and then complaining about it!), because I agree =).
(they have also in every previous instance I've witnessed taken the stance that 'firefox is a fine browser, but opera is better' (which I happen to agree with), so it's uncharacteristic of them to snipe at it... part of me has a suspicion that this is the media sensationalizing everything out of proportion again, but dunno...)
Itanium, maybe? And the Pentium M is an excellent chip (unlike the P4), and Intel is apparently going to be basing their next desktop line off of it, so that may be as well.
...is that they treat games as art, rather than cheap entertainment. There's a huge amount of overlap, to be sure, but the difference in emphasis makes all the difference. It could be argued -- probably correctly -- that the masses want cheap entertainment and not art, but still, if Nintendo could cultivate a sort of elite Apple-esque image, rather than their current childish Disney-esque one, that'd work well for them, I think...
They've been saying how they realized that the look of the console matters. Hopefully this means they've grasped the larger concept that *image matters*, perhaps as much as everything else put together (they can have the best games out there, but if it's seen as an uncool thing to own, people won't own it*). However, from the rather narrow stuff I've heard from them (only talking about making it look physically better, nothing about the larger picture of *why* it needs to look physically better), I'm sadly doubtful...
* people suck
What actually happened, was this: KHTML developer Zack Rusin read one too many uninformed comment on the internets about how awesome the cooperation between KHTML and Apple is; being on the recieving end of the very not awesome cooperation, he understandably got a bit pissed off, and blogged about it. The thing to note here is his ire *was not directed at Apple* (recognizing that they were fulfilling their legal obligations, and were required to do no more), but rather at the uninformed idiots. This has now been spun, in part by those same uninformed idiots, into the KHTML devs being whiny Apple-haters, and the whole legality question has also been quite predictably confused into it all as well, which was never a part of it.
So far, I have seen exactly one comment on this thread with some understanding of this. it'd be sad, if it weren't so fucking ironic...
Well, there's these. I haven't tried them myself (no need, you see ;), but some of them have been winning awards and such.
...so ironically enough, people will move to Linux+wine instead as the path of least resistance :).
Which would be the case if the new APIs mattered at all to existing applications, which they don't -- they will continue working just as well as they always have with the existing ones. Microsoft is quite anal about this. So no need to emulate Longhorn until apps actually depend on it, which won't be till some time after it's released, I think.
"We will fight them, sir, until hell freezes over. And then, sir, we will fight them on the ice."
I've been using Opera since forever, and KDE for ~a year so far as well. Basically, Opera is much better at actually browsing the web, while you can use Konqueror to browse literally just about *anything*, thanks to KParts and KIOSlaves.
:)
Things Opera has that Konqueror doesn't, off the top of my head: (for the most part, these apply to Firefox sans extensions as well)
- Middle click to close tabs (this is actually possible with Konqi, but you have to edit a config file manually, and I only found it by looking around at bugs.kde.org...)
- Minimize tabs -- it won't be activated (eg, after closing the previous tab) unless you do it manually -- great for when there's a page you want to get back to later
- Reopen previously closed tabs
- When you go back/forwards, it happens *instantly*
- Faster and more responsive in general -- I'm often pissed at how laggy Opera is and go to try Konqi/Firefox, only to find that they're even worse
- Native embedded-in-page SVG support (not much use at the moment, but hey, it's there)
- Fit to width
- Better zoom - both text and images
- Fast forward -- finds the 'next' link, follows it
- When you use forward (at least, the mouse gesture for it, which is what I always use), and there's nothing forwards in the history, it falls back on fast forward instead; or if there's a login form that you have stored info for, it logs you in. it's little things like this that can be very convenient...
- Switch tabs by holding right mouse button + scrolling the wheel (tip: in the preferences, change it to "without showing list")
- The scrolling thingy you get when middle clicking in a page is faster/better
- Ability to have the sidepanel on the right (sorry, this is a pet issue of mine
- Lots of nifty things you can do with said sidepanel -- drag tabs between windows and otherwise manage them via the 'windows' panel, select all the relevant links in the page in the 'links' panel and open them all at once, quick & easy notetaking (keeps track of which site you took them on, 'copy to note' entry in most context menus, etc.), embed a webpage as a panel with smallscreen rendering, it goes on
- 'nicknames' for bookmarks, and for folders -- type it in the address bar to open it (so I just type 'technews' and it opens all 10-20 sites I have in that folder)
- sessions -- if it crashes, when you next start it you have the option of resuming where you left off (you can also save/open sessions manually)
- better handling of tabs in general -- can't quite figure out the difference, but when closing a page it usually activates the one I want, where Konqueror doesn't
- UI is more customizable
- better fullscreen mode
- quickly toggle whether images are shown (useful for dialup, not so much for broadband)
- full browsing with keyboard shortcuts
- reopen blocked popups (getting into the features I don't personally use here...)
- voice capabilities
Things Konqueror has Opera doesn't:
- Convenient GUI way to change keyboard shortcuts
- Inline text editing (Opera can be configured to use ASpell iirc, but you have to press a button for it to check)
- Uses native Qt widgets (Opera has many excellent skins, but this would be better)
- Effectively browse things that aren't the web
...has been taken off my /.-editors-to-show-articles-from-on-front-page list thingy. Good riddance.
...but 9 years in jail is just a little bit extreme, don't you think? A big fine would be more appropriate, imho.
Multiple factors.
- One of the two main desktop environments, tweaked and customized to make it even better.
- Comes on a single CD.
- Sane package management.
All the other 'major, user friendly' distros flunk the second two, vary on the first (from what I've heard SuSE is quite good in that respect, dunno about Fedora and Mandrak^H^Hiva).
As for why it's better than MEPIS/Kanotix/etc., haven't looked into it enough to know, but I suspect up-to-dateness with the latest cool stuff may be one of the reasons.
If you don't have it then you are not, in fact, bleeding edge. It's in portage, just not yet marked as stable. (Last I checked it was hardmasked, don't know whether it's moved to plain ~unstable yet -- don't use it myself.)
...this has more humour value for the actual KDE(-devel) community for which it was intended, as KDE really *is* moving over to Subversion. The migration was originally planned to be completed today, but was delayed for a few more days due to various issues.
Thankfully I saw this earlier today from a less biased source, here. /.'s misreporting of it.
It really goes far beyond the usual "omgwtf gta is teh violent!!111 rockstar is murderers!!1111 hysteria!!311 lawsuites!!1 hysteria!!!1" drivel -- it addresses the whole phenomenon of ever escalating violence and other 'indecency' in all forms of media (GTA itself was only mentioned in passing), parents' lack of time/resources to properly deal with it, and actually addresses the underlying societal concerns regarding the whole issue.
I don't know about you, but the vibe I got from it was "parents have the responsibility of caring for and raising their children, and deserve to have access to the tools they need to do so", which I can't help but agree with, not the usual "won't somebody please think of the children! censor it! censor it!" bullshit.
I also can't help but not be very surprised at
I signed it, and wrote him a thank you note too ;)
It's the second. As of right now, I know of two browsers that work with GMail and aren't officially recognized by it, Konqueror 3.4 and Opera 8 -- neither have final versions released yet* (Konq's coming in a week or two, Opera WIR as usual), which is most likely why. This can be rather troublesome, however, when GMail forces you to the basic HTML view because of it. You can override this by using gmail.google.com/gmail?nocheckbrowser, but I had to look in their newgroup thingy to find this, they could at least have added a visible option...
:)
* this doesn't stop me from using both, however
Site works over here. You can see their progress here.
I'm good at them, and I still couldn't get much out of those besides a headache. Here's a bunch of better ones, just to show that they don't suck universally.
KDE 3.4 already has preliminary support for X.org's Composite extension, meaning compositing can be handed off to hardware, true transparency, drop shadows, and all that. Unfortunately it's still rather buggy, which is only partly KDE's fault, and partly X.org's (it's still a fairly new development). I'd say it's pretty safe to say 4.0 will have full support for hardware acceleration and all kinds of iCandy... especially considering Qt4's Arthur.
Just want to point out that they're not using the drivers to disable features on the lower chipsets by default. If you read the article you link to, you have to do a hardware mod to enable the functionality first; they're then disabling support for these hacked chipsets in their drivers. So it sucks, but it's not like they're relying on cheap software hacks to differentiate their products; rather using them to prevent people from removing their cheap hardware hacks.
That, and it's slow as fuck unless you have hardware acceleration. (Add Option "RenderAccel" "True" to the device section of xorg.conf if you have an nvidia card with the nvidia drivers.)
Well, I'll admit I never actually tried that :). It does accept spaces though, and I have a few with those, which is why I assumed mostly anything will go...