In this review I compare the next generation of the most popular e-mail clients, including Evolution, KMail, Opera and Mozilla, and their usability in dealing with large number of messages.
Although the world would be a better place if nobody did use Outlook, unfortunately, it is by far the most popular client.
I've been using The Bat for years and can't imagine something else as flexible while easy to use.
Meh.......The last statement in the article: "If you want more secure software, upgrade." pretty much sums up Microsoft's position.
Or any other commercial software developer for that matter.
The real question though is: If the patch can be exploited, is it a patch?
Well, yeah. If I released a patch today for SSH, along with the notification that it fixes a bug in some buffer overflow for instance, you would have tons of people looking for and eventually finding the bug. Then it's only a simple matter of rushing to find all of the machines with that vulnerable version still installed. Me releasing the patch, or the patch itself wouldn't be to blame in that instance.. but the people who don't bother to install those patches.
Of course, this guy saying that Microsoft products are never exploited until a patch is released is total bullshit and everyone at Microsoft surely knows this. Maybe this guy is the only one who doesn't? Who knows.
Frankly, I don't want Budweiser knowing when I choose to buy their beer versus another brands."
The guys at the airport sticking their fingers up everyones asses pales in comparison to this outright violation of my civil liberties!! I think it's time for a revolution! Who's with me?
YMMV. There is no need to remind me that there are exceptions; I believe you. When I have 1000 resumes to sift through, a quick filter like that is helpful. No way all 1000 are going to get a full read.
Yeah, I guess I can understand it from that angle. I would probably agree that someone who's most prominent feature was the fact that they had an MCSE wasn't so hot. Especially if I had 1000 resumes in front of me. I guess I just misunderstood the original post, and it made me upset.
Oh wait... Did I mention I come from a broken home in the hood and my father used to beat me.
Ok, that's cool. All I was saying is that not everyone with an MCSE is worthless. Maybe some of them are, maybe even most of them are. But to not hire someone solely because they have an MCSE is ignorant. If you disagree, then just say so.
And yeah, maybe I misread you. Ok, sorry. What made you think that I was wanting sympathy though? I didn't say "Man, everything is so hard for me", or anything like that. I said, "Yeah, just don't be so harsh. I happen to be doing fine." So I don't understand where you're coming from I guess.
And the Mexican thing. It wasn't "apples & oranges", it was exactly what I said it was. Equally asinine to judge someone by the fact that they have a certificate, as it would be to judge them by their race. The MCSE's you've met might be jackasses, ok. But to judge them all that way is prejudice. Plain & simple.
I don't know. I think for the most part I agree with you really. I don't like people who think they know everything because they have some certs. I agree with that. I just don't like the elitist attitude. That's all.
Unless you are at a shit school, a CS Major should have a damn good idea how a computer works. What university did this person come from? Your second comment on the person with the Masters in CIS screams bullshit also unless this person came out of a diploma mill.
I've never bothered to pursue any "higher education" myself, but have worked with a number of those enlightened folks. I remember at IBM them hiring a bunch of kids from all over - BYU, University of Alabama, UCSD - mostly CS graduates, but some CIS as well. And let's just see they made me thankful I wasn't in the debt that they were. Regardless of where you get your certification, a university, TechSkills, ITT, or a cheerios box.. the fact is that if that's the only education you have, that you'll probably know a little about everything, and not a lot about much of anything in particular. That's always been my impression anyway, take it however you like.
I don't mean to pick on this one person, I know too many times I see the same stuff over and over, and wonder how the hell could companies hire clueless people. I remember I worked for a company who if you sent a resume in with your newly acquired MSCE cert staus you met Mr. Shredder.
What gave you the impression that the guy you singled out was misrepresenting himself as some sort of uber-geek, as you make yourself out to be?
From what I can tell the only things you can ascertain from his email are that he works at a company (ok), and doesn't understand how some aspects of the system he's using work.
So? Shredding someone's resume because they got an MCSE is pretty ignorant I might add anyway. Why not shred it if they have a Mexican sounding name, after all.. are Mexicans known for their outstanding tech skills? It would be equally asinine. I know plenty of people who have MCSE's and countless other certs who did it just based on the thinking that "Hey, it's probably better than not having them."
This elitist attitude is pretty sickening. And it usually comes from people who themselves don't have any experience working in a large tech company. Sort of like the armchair quarterbacks shouting things like "Oh man, I could do that! Geez, this guy doesn't know anything." But not stepping up to do it themselves.
And by the way, I don't have an MCSE, or any real certifications for that matter. I don't even have a high school diploma, and that's never kept me out of work.
(i imagine the same concept would apply for bittorrent [bitconjurer.org] downloaders -- except BT relies on central tracking servers which would be comparatively easy to shut down.)
Which is what they seem to have done. I got it off of torrent, but now all the links seem dead.
It's interesting.. they were playing it down so much when it was announced, but then I guess reality struck. "Professional" analysts were saying it would have no impact on security, and less than a week later already an exploit was released based on the source. Albeit a pretty worthless exploit (IE5), but still. The point is.. if you read through the source, you'll see how much stuff was ripped from much earlier stuff (NT, IE3, etc).. so it's safe to assume that much of XP is based on that source. Much of their programming/security methodologies remain unchanged I'm sure.
I really like the idea of neighborhoods being cropdusted with cocaine. It kind of reminds me of the videos they showed us in school when I was a kid with the people having a picnic while they're being spray with DDT. Cocaine would have made that video a lot funnier though, imo.
I hope no FOSS developers look at that source. It could "taint by association" -- which makes me wonder if that wasn't the real reason for the release. MS now realizes the fight is over source code. By releasing (through an agent: Mainsoft) the source they can now claim injury if similar methods appear in FOSS.
Yeah, because trying to sue a bunch of kids who live at home and are working on never-to-be projects on sourceforge is much better than the business model they've got now?
Take off the tinfoil hat billy, and step away from the conspiracy theory.
Security only through obscurity doesn't work. Of course. But obscurity can help security.
Look at the banks. Can you readily find out how their Host Security Modules work? Is the cryptography open for review by anyone from sourceforge who cares to have a look? No. Do banks suffer a great deal from electronic theft, even from the inside? No.
They don't rely on secrey alone, but it does help.
The same can be said for the current generation of access cards from DirecTV. Why not just open up the specification for review? Well, as often is the case with security.. despite what the ill-informed might have you believe, is that despite good intentions.. sometimes things go wrong or get overlooked. How many security specific open-source projects have been compromised? Lot's.
So, before you jump on the band wagon.. just make sure you've given the situation at least a cursory logical review in your own mind and don't be so eager to repeat what one zealot or another has already said.
Ethanol takes energy to make. Lots of energy, possibly more than it contains. That energy comes from fossil fuels. Ethanol is not an energy source; it is a different way to store energy, and not a particularly efficient one.
I was wondering how many posts I'd have to read before someone realized this.
There's so many more computers running than 2000/XP than 9x, why bother writing any kind of worm that targets 9x?
Is that true? Can you prove it?
Are you a troll, or just ignorant?
Here is just one of many sites that list up to the date web statistics from a large sampling of web surfers. Windows NT, Windows 95, Windows 98, Linux & Mac combined don't equal how many users have XP.
I have to wonder whether anyone would be stupid enough to buy Palm-based hardware knowing that they would be spending additional money to buy sync software
Not to be a troll, but why would anyone be stupid enough to buy a Mac and expect everyone to support them?
I mean, already most software for Windows doesn't come out on Mac, most games don't come out on Mac, most hardware doesn't support Mac.. so why is this any different?
There are plenty of people still using Amigas.. and you don't hear them bitching. Well, every once in awhile you still do.:)
We hear conflicting reports from "$11,000 means you could live like a king" to "Material goods are so expensive there that you'd be much worse off there than here." What are conditions like for the average Indian programmer?
I would guess the opinion changes wether you are asking the tech worker, or the tech manager who is trying to negotiate new contracts with American companies.:)
A decade ago, did Indian engineers/programmers resent America for forcing them to leave to find jobs in a land far from home?
If it weren't for American companies industrializing and making a market for themselves, I suppose we would be forced to move off to far away lands in search of work. But we didn't do that.
Hopefully you guys are able to weather the storm better than us.
Well, considering that this tech boom in India is going to throw their economic balance out of whack for years to come, and that they don't really have any comparable industry/income to fall back on.. yeah, I'd say hold your breath.
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In this review I compare the next generation of the most popular e-mail clients, including Evolution, KMail, Opera and Mozilla, and their usability in dealing with large number of messages.
Although the world would be a better place if nobody did use Outlook, unfortunately, it is by far the most popular client.
I've been using The Bat for years and can't imagine something else as flexible while easy to use.
But they'd produce more noise and heat, and cost more power.
I didn't really think of the power consumption aspect. That makes sense.
Why would he use microdrives with a CF to IDE converter? Why not 2.5" drives? You could probably get larger, faster disks for the same price.
Meh.......The last statement in the article: "If you want more secure software, upgrade." pretty much sums up Microsoft's position.
Or any other commercial software developer for that matter.
The real question though is: If the patch can be exploited, is it a patch?
Well, yeah. If I released a patch today for SSH, along with the notification that it fixes a bug in some buffer overflow for instance, you would have tons of people looking for and eventually finding the bug. Then it's only a simple matter of rushing to find all of the machines with that vulnerable version still installed. Me releasing the patch, or the patch itself wouldn't be to blame in that instance.. but the people who don't bother to install those patches.
Of course, this guy saying that Microsoft products are never exploited until a patch is released is total bullshit and everyone at Microsoft surely knows this. Maybe this guy is the only one who doesn't? Who knows.
Frankly, I don't want Budweiser knowing when I choose to buy their beer versus another brands."
....... Hello?
The guys at the airport sticking their fingers up everyones asses pales in comparison to this outright violation of my civil liberties!! I think it's time for a revolution! Who's with me?
Hello?
YMMV. There is no need to remind me that there are exceptions; I believe you. When I have 1000 resumes to sift through, a quick filter like that is helpful. No way all 1000 are going to get a full read.
Yeah, I guess I can understand it from that angle. I would probably agree that someone who's most prominent feature was the fact that they had an MCSE wasn't so hot. Especially if I had 1000 resumes in front of me. I guess I just misunderstood the original post, and it made me upset.
Oh wait... Did I mention I come from a broken home in the hood and my father used to beat me.
Ok, that's cool. All I was saying is that not everyone with an MCSE is worthless. Maybe some of them are, maybe even most of them are. But to not hire someone solely because they have an MCSE is ignorant. If you disagree, then just say so.
And yeah, maybe I misread you. Ok, sorry. What made you think that I was wanting sympathy though? I didn't say "Man, everything is so hard for me", or anything like that. I said, "Yeah, just don't be so harsh. I happen to be doing fine." So I don't understand where you're coming from I guess.
And the Mexican thing. It wasn't "apples & oranges", it was exactly what I said it was. Equally asinine to judge someone by the fact that they have a certificate, as it would be to judge them by their race. The MCSE's you've met might be jackasses, ok. But to judge them all that way is prejudice. Plain & simple.
I don't know. I think for the most part I agree with you really. I don't like people who think they know everything because they have some certs. I agree with that. I just don't like the elitist attitude. That's all.
Unless you are at a shit school, a CS Major should have a damn good idea how a computer works. What university did this person come from? Your second comment on the person with the Masters in CIS screams bullshit also unless this person came out of a diploma mill.
I've never bothered to pursue any "higher education" myself, but have worked with a number of those enlightened folks. I remember at IBM them hiring a bunch of kids from all over - BYU, University of Alabama, UCSD - mostly CS graduates, but some CIS as well. And let's just see they made me thankful I wasn't in the debt that they were. Regardless of where you get your certification, a university, TechSkills, ITT, or a cheerios box.. the fact is that if that's the only education you have, that you'll probably know a little about everything, and not a lot about much of anything in particular. That's always been my impression anyway, take it however you like.
I don't mean to pick on this one person, I know too many times I see the same stuff over and over, and wonder how the hell could companies hire clueless people. I remember I worked for a company who if you sent a resume in with your newly acquired MSCE cert staus you met Mr. Shredder.
What gave you the impression that the guy you singled out was misrepresenting himself as some sort of uber-geek, as you make yourself out to be?
From what I can tell the only things you can ascertain from his email are that he works at a company (ok), and doesn't understand how some aspects of the system he's using work.
So? Shredding someone's resume because they got an MCSE is pretty ignorant I might add anyway. Why not shred it if they have a Mexican sounding name, after all.. are Mexicans known for their outstanding tech skills? It would be equally asinine. I know plenty of people who have MCSE's and countless other certs who did it just based on the thinking that "Hey, it's probably better than not having them."
This elitist attitude is pretty sickening. And it usually comes from people who themselves don't have any experience working in a large tech company. Sort of like the armchair quarterbacks shouting things like "Oh man, I could do that! Geez, this guy doesn't know anything." But not stepping up to do it themselves.
And by the way, I don't have an MCSE, or any real certifications for that matter. I don't even have a high school diploma, and that's never kept me out of work.
On the server, it really is, but few normal people even know what free software is!
:)
Hundreds of thousands of BitTorrent/Kazaa/Usenet/IRC users would beg to differ.
www.fuckacop.com exists.
(i imagine the same concept would apply for bittorrent [bitconjurer.org] downloaders -- except BT relies on central tracking servers which would be comparatively easy to shut down.)
Which is what they seem to have done. I got it off of torrent, but now all the links seem dead.
It's interesting.. they were playing it down so much when it was announced, but then I guess reality struck. "Professional" analysts were saying it would have no impact on security, and less than a week later already an exploit was released based on the source. Albeit a pretty worthless exploit (IE5), but still. The point is.. if you read through the source, you'll see how much stuff was ripped from much earlier stuff (NT, IE3, etc).. so it's safe to assume that much of XP is based on that source. Much of their programming/security methodologies remain unchanged I'm sure.
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I really like the idea of neighborhoods being cropdusted with cocaine. It kind of reminds me of the videos they showed us in school when I was a kid with the people having a picnic while they're being spray with DDT. Cocaine would have made that video a lot funnier though, imo.
So since they weren't innovated by linux developers, should any of those things ever have been supported by Linux? I don't get it.
I don't get a lot of the hypocrisy on Slashdot. Monoculture is bad, but Apple is good?
I hope no FOSS developers look at that source. It could "taint by association" -- which makes me wonder if that wasn't the real reason for the release. MS now realizes the fight is over source code. By releasing (through an agent: Mainsoft) the source they can now claim injury if similar methods appear in FOSS.
Yeah, because trying to sue a bunch of kids who live at home and are working on never-to-be projects on sourceforge is much better than the business model they've got now?
Take off the tinfoil hat billy, and step away from the conspiracy theory.
Security only through obscurity doesn't work. Of course. But obscurity can help security.
Look at the banks. Can you readily find out how their Host Security Modules work? Is the cryptography open for review by anyone from sourceforge who cares to have a look? No. Do banks suffer a great deal from electronic theft, even from the inside? No.
They don't rely on secrey alone, but it does help.
The same can be said for the current generation of access cards from DirecTV. Why not just open up the specification for review? Well, as often is the case with security.. despite what the ill-informed might have you believe, is that despite good intentions.. sometimes things go wrong or get overlooked. How many security specific open-source projects have been compromised? Lot's.
So, before you jump on the band wagon.. just make sure you've given the situation at least a cursory logical review in your own mind and don't be so eager to repeat what one zealot or another has already said.
Ethanol takes energy to make. Lots of energy, possibly more than it contains. That energy comes from fossil fuels. Ethanol is not an energy source; it is a different way to store energy, and not a particularly efficient one.
I was wondering how many posts I'd have to read before someone realized this.
There's so many more computers running than 2000/XP than 9x, why bother writing any kind of worm that targets 9x?
Is that true? Can you prove it?
Are you a troll, or just ignorant? Here is just one of many sites that list up to the date web statistics from a large sampling of web surfers. Windows NT, Windows 95, Windows 98, Linux & Mac combined don't equal how many users have XP.
Because every idiot skr1pt k1dd13 and their lam0r grandmother can code winDOZE viriii, but only 1337 H4XX0rZ can ownzor teh LiNuX and MaC BoXxEn!!!1!!
Nothing says "peer approval" like millions of hosts infected. There really aren't enough macs and linux machines to accomplish that. Period.
I have to wonder whether anyone would be stupid enough to buy Palm-based hardware knowing that they would be spending additional money to buy sync software
:)
Not to be a troll, but why would anyone be stupid enough to buy a Mac and expect everyone to support them?
I mean, already most software for Windows doesn't come out on Mac, most games don't come out on Mac, most hardware doesn't support Mac.. so why is this any different?
There are plenty of people still using Amigas.. and you don't hear them bitching. Well, every once in awhile you still do.
Lets start slamming outsourcing with whatever we've got!!! /sarcasm
We hear conflicting reports from "$11,000 means you could live like a king" to "Material goods are so expensive there that you'd be much worse off there than here." What are conditions like for the average Indian programmer?
:)
I would guess the opinion changes wether you are asking the tech worker, or the tech manager who is trying to negotiate new contracts with American companies.
A decade ago, did Indian engineers/programmers resent America for forcing them to leave to find jobs in a land far from home?
/Kind of sick of all the welfare talk.
If it weren't for American companies industrializing and making a market for themselves, I suppose we would be forced to move off to far away lands in search of work. But we didn't do that.
Hopefully you guys are able to weather the storm better than us.
Well, considering that this tech boom in India is going to throw their economic balance out of whack for years to come, and that they don't really have any comparable industry/income to fall back on.. yeah, I'd say hold your breath.