on a shared cab ride 2 days ago, and we got to talking about P2P, so I slyly asked her if perhaps they had considered that "maybe DVDs, game consoles, cell phones, and gameboys may be competing for entertainment dollars?"
"NO, Absolutely not - its P2P, the children don't understand and need to be educated. Those other explanations are nonsense." she said
I said "hmmm, well are you sure, cause it..."
"Yes we are absolutely sure. These P2P programs are set up to steal and kids don't realize what they are doing it wrong. Its silly and inexcusable, we need to change their attitude."
So you see - they don't CARE to see any facts or evidence that point away from their view. They don't WANT to hear it. And this not wanting or caring will re-enforce their current behavior patterns. It will also cloud their minds such that EVERY way they approach the problem will have P2P destruction or absolute control in mind.
What they DO understand that "war does not determine who is right, war determines who is left".
actually that accusation (douche) applies to you instead, because you did not understand my point at all.
My point is that root and user privelages should have always existed in Windows, but Microsoft chose to make root the default and only profile to run in for the longest time.
Be nicer - it will get you more respect. Oh - and put some thought into understanding the post that you are replying too before embarrassing yourself next time.
Folks have been trained since the DOS days that they just turn on their computer and use it. Programs have been written for that environment with this assumption in mind (no user-admin privilage distinction).
So the "Problem" is more Microsoft's failure than it is the users failure. Users use, and are taught how to use. Microsoft perpetrated the "run as admin always" problem, and they directly trained (through the use of their software) vast armies of average users and software developers to embrace this road as the norm and the expected software "reality". Unfortunately it is was a disasterous mistake in many regards (virii, worms, spyware, blah blah)
They need to fix this basic architecture problem, and this will hurt users (learning curve, potential invalidation of older software) and the software industry (re-tooling their software code).
My wife at work: "Honey, you should install this comet cursor program. Its cool. Also, a friend sent me this cool wallpaper program. You should try it too"
*looks up wallpaper program - sees it has gator and some other crap wrapped in it*
Me: "Honey Both of those programs are laden with spyware. You should uninstall them and clean your system"
My wife: "oh I don't care, I like the cursors and the wallpapers."
$199 is above my threshold for a Windows purchase, however I gladly shell out $40(home) or $80(pro) for Linux.
There you go Microsoft - there is my pricepoint.
off topic, but OMG Brian Carr is an idiot.
Just from his webpage I know his family and their names, where he lives, his job history, that he publishes pirate CDkeys for MS windows.
Can he scream "sue me" or "come steal from me" any louder?
if India and China and the rest of the world made comparable wages to the US do we think that outsourcing would still be such a management fad?
Thought not...
Its all about paying less money for equivalent talent. Period.
Anthything else is a lie and a d@m lie.
"To make us more successful and allow the reorganization of our North American workforce to match the global business environment, we need to enable our partners for success. We need you to enable them, help them do better. Don't do it _for_ them, but teach them. You know the saying: "give a man a fish...(you know the rest)" This will make us a success."
I was wondering to myself the whole time his mouth was moving, "does he really believe we are this stupid?"
Average users want an interface that is consistent so they don't have to re-learn things constantly. They want simplicity so they don't have to struggle with figuring out how to accomplish simple tasks. They want a little bit of eye candy to make using their computer pleasing to the eye and enjoyable. They also want tools for basic functions like email, internet, word processing, a little gamage, chatting.
Linux has all of these elements, but the plethora of choices in each category is, in itself, a source of confusion (see simplicity).
The one huge issue that keeps me from tossing XP is the hardware driver/compatibility issues that are ever-present with Linux. If we could just see some more headway in that department then the barn doors will be open for the desktop assault.
Linux needs supporting software like Quicken, Adobe Photoshop, DVD playback software (not the hack-and-crack DECSS you can download), and other titles for sale in Best Buy and Walmart next to the boxes of Linux OS.
Really people don't care what OS they use to interface with their computer, but they do care how easy it is to use and what they can easily do with it. Windows just happens to have won the title of "McDonalds of the OS world". Give the masses another similar choice for cheaper and they will flock to it (assuming all things mentioned in the 1st couple paragraphs above being relatively equal to the Windows world).
***this is just my attempt to provide helpful insight into average folks' expectations for a desktop experience***
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until the last layoff. His troubleshooting skills:
1 reboot the machine 2 re-image the machine 3 replace the machine 4 blame it on a virus or a microsoft bug 5 ignore it
then the users call me, and I fix it - usually something simple like a checkbox not checked or a DNS entry not typed in...
And this guy was MCSE "certified". Yeah Right.
I rode him so much I am sure he was not happy with his job, but like other posters have said - he got into the field for the money but didn't have a clue about computers.
but I have a hard time believing that it will every amount to anything. A computer is not a bookshelf. its just not intuitive to think of it that way for me, and maybe thats a by-product of learning computers as they exist today. Still, all the fancy graphics and animations add unnecessary clutter and delays it seems to me.
Take online shopping for example: I like to see closup pictures and _maybe_ 3D panoramas of what I am buying, but just as important is plain old text that outlines the specs. Online shops that indulge in too much Flash or animation annoy me and interfere with my shopping objective. It is the same with computers. I run Linux with a minimalist interface, and XP with themes disabled and "set to performance".
I am sitting here imagining all the elements on my screen acting like the demo in the article, and I can't help but feel that it would actually interfere with my ability to use the computer efficiently. Perhaps thats my opinion but my opinion as a user matters to me.
Also, wouldn't that just add yet another failure point and/or security risk to the architecture of the OS?
Why do we humans feel the need to constantly complicate our lives in the effort to simplify them?
- DVD playback doesn't exist unless you download various stuff from the net (even then it was choppy playback ???) - my expensive scanner I bought is not supported by SANE:( - it didn't like my Netgear RP614 router (slow/delayed net access blah blah - never could get a resolution for this) - alas...no 3D killer gameage (UT, Quake, etc) - no turbotax or taxcut software for Linux that I am aware of
I had to give up on it:(
I sooooooo wanted to jetison XP too. I have high hopes for future versions of SuSe.
I think its great that Microsoft includes basic functionality like a media player, word processor, calculator, internet browser, etc.
I hope that we all realize that the PROBLEM lies in preventing the uninstallation of said items without "crippling" the OS.
I think MS should be allowed to include whatever they want, as long as the no-install/uninstall option is there and its real (as in really uninstalls the files, not just "hiding" them).
Why can't Microsoft see how easy it would be to fix this? But then again, that sort of tunnel vision is what has gotten them into the hot water they are in.
like a scanner or a printer or a pen tablet etc etc
windows: go to mfr website, download install file, run install file, (maybe) reboot. Proceed with using hardware.
Linux: go to mfr website...unsupported (dam), go to linux geek site(s)...hmmm no luck, go to google...hmm no luck, go to another linux site - helpful geek says "just download this source, read your device specs, change these numbers accordingly, compile to your kernel with this line: (insert big ass command line here) and you should be ok; tries it...works partially (not all features utilized or available). crap. *heavy sigh* *gives up*
But my question is, what if I was never going to buy/rent the work in the 1st place? Really, its a serious question. The things I download are things that I wouldn't spend money on. If I was asked to pay to play I wouldn't. I buy the DVDs I want, I rent at least 3-4 movies a week, and I buy software that I can afford and want. Downloads are just a curiosity, and more often than not end in thinking "man I'm glad I didn't waste money on that". Now if I live in China and are copying/dowloading to sell on the street that's a different story for sure, and its definitely illegal. But will all this legislation/police tactics solve that? The answer is no.
There are sides to this issue that aren't being considered by the MPAA/RIAA/BSA.
no competition... we love the interaction, the challenge, the mental stimulation, the online community culture.
whaddya get with a TV? Sitting, staring, commercials every 15 minutes. what else?
Its a no-brainer.
That's all this is... sell you a special CD-writer at-cost and rake you over the coals on the CDR's.
Don't fall for it folks. Just use a perma-marker.;-)
80% of HP's revenue comes from imaging and printing, aka mostly ink. Their strategy, and this is applicable to Lexmakr et. al., is to maintain and expand that cash cow while somehow keeping the consumer from (a) discovering it and (b) finding a different route to the same ends (printed stuff). As long as we pay, they will pursue this strategy.
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not to mention that they just wouldn't do it. The US does not = world.
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on a shared cab ride 2 days ago, and we got to talking about P2P, so I slyly asked her if perhaps they had considered that "maybe DVDs, game consoles, cell phones, and gameboys may be competing for entertainment dollars?"
"NO, Absolutely not - its P2P, the children don't understand and need to be educated. Those other explanations are nonsense." she said
I said "hmmm, well are you sure, cause it..."
"Yes we are absolutely sure. These P2P programs are set up to steal and kids don't realize what they are doing it wrong. Its silly and inexcusable, we need to change their attitude."
So you see - they don't CARE to see any facts or evidence that point away from their view. They don't WANT to hear it. And this not wanting or caring will re-enforce their current behavior patterns. It will also cloud their minds such that EVERY way they approach the problem will have P2P destruction or absolute control in mind.
What they DO understand that "war does not determine who is right, war determines who is left".
actually that accusation (douche) applies to you instead, because you did not understand my point at all.
My point is that root and user privelages should have always existed in Windows, but Microsoft chose to make root the default and only profile to run in for the longest time.
Be nicer - it will get you more respect. Oh - and put some thought into understanding the post that you are replying too before embarrassing yourself next time.
Folks have been trained since the DOS days that they just turn on their computer and use it. Programs have been written for that environment with this assumption in mind (no user-admin privilage distinction).
So the "Problem" is more Microsoft's failure than it is the users failure. Users use, and are taught how to use. Microsoft perpetrated the "run as admin always" problem, and they directly trained (through the use of their software) vast armies of average users and software developers to embrace this road as the norm and the expected software "reality". Unfortunately it is was a disasterous mistake in many regards (virii, worms, spyware, blah blah)
They need to fix this basic architecture problem, and this will hurt users (learning curve, potential invalidation of older software) and the software industry (re-tooling their software code).
Garbage in, Garbage out?
Excellent analogy.
My wife at work: "Honey, you should install this comet cursor program. Its cool. Also, a friend sent me this cool wallpaper program. You should try it too"
*looks up wallpaper program - sees it has gator and some other crap wrapped in it*
Me: "Honey Both of those programs are laden with spyware. You should uninstall them and clean your system"
My wife: "oh I don't care, I like the cursors and the wallpapers."
*sigh* okee dokee...but NOT on our home PC.
$199 is above my threshold for a Windows purchase, however I gladly shell out $40(home) or $80(pro) for Linux. There you go Microsoft - there is my pricepoint.
off topic, but OMG Brian Carr is an idiot. Just from his webpage I know his family and their names, where he lives, his job history, that he publishes pirate CDkeys for MS windows. Can he scream "sue me" or "come steal from me" any louder?
if India and China and the rest of the world made comparable wages to the US do we think that outsourcing would still be such a management fad? Thought not... Its all about paying less money for equivalent talent. Period. Anthything else is a lie and a d@m lie.
Neowin AutopatcherXP!!!u ardian ;-)
Quake II
Unreal II
Unreal Tournament 2003 & 2004
OpenOffice
Firefox
WinRaR
CloneCD
PeerG
DC++
hamburgers, sauces, pasta, pants, shoes, hats, air, water, fuel, cars, robotics, radar, computers, blah blah blah.
Silly move dude.
"To make us more successful and allow the reorganization of our North American workforce to match the global business environment, we need to enable our partners for success. We need you to enable them, help them do better. Don't do it _for_ them, but teach them. You know the saying: "give a man a fish...(you know the rest)" This will make us a success."
I was wondering to myself the whole time his mouth was moving, "does he really believe we are this stupid?"
(and yes, he was speaking with a straight face)
GAWD...
reasonable amount of eye candy.
Average users want an interface that is consistent so they don't have to re-learn things constantly. They want simplicity so they don't have to struggle with figuring out how to accomplish simple tasks. They want a little bit of eye candy to make using their computer pleasing to the eye and enjoyable. They also want tools for basic functions like email, internet, word processing, a little gamage, chatting.
Linux has all of these elements, but the plethora of choices in each category is, in itself, a source of confusion (see simplicity).
The one huge issue that keeps me from tossing XP is the hardware driver/compatibility issues that are ever-present with Linux. If we could just see some more headway in that department then the barn doors will be open for the desktop assault.
Linux needs supporting software like Quicken, Adobe Photoshop, DVD playback software (not the hack-and-crack DECSS you can download), and other titles for sale in Best Buy and Walmart next to the boxes of Linux OS.
Really people don't care what OS they use to interface with their computer, but they do care how easy it is to use and what they can easily do with it. Windows just happens to have won the title of "McDonalds of the OS world". Give the masses another similar choice for cheaper and they will flock to it (assuming all things mentioned in the 1st couple paragraphs above being relatively equal to the Windows world).
***this is just my attempt to provide helpful insight into average folks' expectations for a desktop experience***
maybe we can create our own destiny ;-)
until the last layoff. His troubleshooting skills:
1 reboot the machine
2 re-image the machine
3 replace the machine
4 blame it on a virus or a microsoft bug
5 ignore it
then the users call me, and I fix it - usually something simple like a checkbox not checked or a DNS entry not typed in...
And this guy was MCSE "certified". Yeah Right.
I rode him so much I am sure he was not happy with his job, but like other posters have said - he got into the field for the money but didn't have a clue about computers.
Lord I am glad he's gone!
restroom? Do you touch their keyboards and mice when helping them? You may be getting more human feces than you think. :-)
but I have a hard time believing that it will every amount to anything. A computer is not a bookshelf. its just not intuitive to think of it that way for me, and maybe thats a by-product of learning computers as they exist today. Still, all the fancy graphics and animations add unnecessary clutter and delays it seems to me.
Take online shopping for example: I like to see closup pictures and _maybe_ 3D panoramas of what I am buying, but just as important is plain old text that outlines the specs. Online shops that indulge in too much Flash or animation annoy me and interfere with my shopping objective. It is the same with computers. I run Linux with a minimalist interface, and XP with themes disabled and "set to performance".
I am sitting here imagining all the elements on my screen acting like the demo in the article, and I can't help but feel that it would actually interfere with my ability to use the computer efficiently. Perhaps thats my opinion but my opinion as a user matters to me.
Also, wouldn't that just add yet another failure point and/or security risk to the architecture of the OS?
Why do we humans feel the need to constantly complicate our lives in the effort to simplify them?
easy install, cool apps, lots o' choices... but
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- DVD playback doesn't exist unless you download various stuff from the net (even then it was choppy playback ???)
- my expensive scanner I bought is not supported by SANE
- it didn't like my Netgear RP614 router (slow/delayed net access blah blah - never could get a resolution for this)
- alas...no 3D killer gameage (UT, Quake, etc)
- no turbotax or taxcut software for Linux that I am aware of
I had to give up on it
I sooooooo wanted to jetison XP too. I have high hopes for future versions of SuSe.
http://money.cnn.com/2004/03/18/news/international /microsoft_eu.reut/index.htm
"The company is certain to appeal against a Commission decision in the European courts. Litigation could take several years."
At which time any verdict will be pretty much irrelevant.
Wonder how this affects Longhorn planning. Anyone with insight on this?
I think its great that Microsoft includes basic functionality like a media player, word processor, calculator, internet browser, etc.
I hope that we all realize that the PROBLEM lies in preventing the uninstallation of said items without "crippling" the OS.
I think MS should be allowed to include whatever they want, as long as the no-install/uninstall option is there and its real (as in really uninstalls the files, not just "hiding" them).
Why can't Microsoft see how easy it would be to fix this? But then again, that sort of tunnel vision is what has gotten them into the hot water they are in.
like a scanner
or a printer
or a pen tablet
etc etc
windows: go to mfr website, download install file, run install file, (maybe) reboot. Proceed with using hardware.
Linux: go to mfr website...unsupported (dam), go to linux geek site(s)...hmmm no luck, go to google...hmm no luck, go to another linux site - helpful geek says "just download this source, read your device specs, change these numbers accordingly, compile to your kernel with this line: (insert big ass command line here) and you should be ok; tries it...works partially (not all features utilized or available). crap. *heavy sigh* *gives up*
user boots to windows...
But my question is, what if I was never going to buy/rent the work in the 1st place? Really, its a serious question. The things I download are things that I wouldn't spend money on. If I was asked to pay to play I wouldn't. I buy the DVDs I want, I rent at least 3-4 movies a week, and I buy software that I can afford and want. Downloads are just a curiosity, and more often than not end in thinking "man I'm glad I didn't waste money on that". Now if I live in China and are copying/dowloading to sell on the street that's a different story for sure, and its definitely illegal. But will all this legislation/police tactics solve that? The answer is no.
There are sides to this issue that aren't being considered by the MPAA/RIAA/BSA.
no competition... we love the interaction, the challenge, the mental stimulation, the online community culture. whaddya get with a TV? Sitting, staring, commercials every 15 minutes. what else? Its a no-brainer.
That's all this is... sell you a special CD-writer at-cost and rake you over the coals on the CDR's. Don't fall for it folks. Just use a perma-marker. ;-)
80% of HP's revenue comes from imaging and printing, aka mostly ink. Their strategy, and this is applicable to Lexmakr et. al., is to maintain and expand that cash cow while somehow keeping the consumer from (a) discovering it and (b) finding a different route to the same ends (printed stuff). As long as we pay, they will pursue this strategy.
not to mention that they just wouldn't do it. The US does not = world.