Interesting (if true) that they didn't just put on solar panels (will the rover be used during the lunar night?).
Very slightly off topic, you'd be amazed how many people confuse "same face always facing the earth" with "same face always facing the sun". Then for a good time explain Mercury's spin-orbit resonance and they get all confused.
During the night, a good way to keep warm is a nice toasty nuclear reactor or RTG.
Any country can put something that goes boom in a shipping container and ship it to DC. Or maybe DC and NORAD. Or maybe DC and NORAD and one to each military base. But can they be sure they got every last submarine and every last silo and every last bomber?
Its a good tool for peace, because even with a ridiculously good plan and unbelievable good luck, maybe some inside help, the bad guys still will fail to get the last 1% and that last 1% will vaporize them to get even.
Thus, world nuclear peace ensues since nuclear war is utterly un-winnable no matter how much you cheat, at least if you play against the US. Now on the other hand, think india and pakistan, one side could win if they faught sneakily enough, therefore they'll probably fight in the (near) future.
No, legal terms have legislated meanings, ad you don't get to make them up as you go along. Googling someone to see if they're a Nazi child molester on the no-fly list is perfectly legal, and as a hiring manager, you can bet I'm going to keep doing it.
Checking their facebook page to see if they are black or white, on the other hand...
And even if, as a hiring manager, you claim not to care, if it can be proven that you looked at two facebook pages, saw their pictures, and decided not to interview the black guy, you are open for huge legal settlements.
"... and Daryl Chapin created the silicon solar cell in 1954.[71] These early solar cells cost 286 USD/watt and reached efficiencies..."
Since 1954, an improvement of a factor of 286, plus or minus some marketing. You are commenting that a factor of 2 to 4 is more significant or otherwise outshines a factor of 286.
Also note that a reasonably decent nuclear power plant might only have a capacity factor of 75%. Non-solar plants of any type never run quite at 100% capacity factor, at least for very long.
The small difference in capacity factor (maybe a factor of two in overall capital costs) can be made up over time by ZERO fuel costs, near-zero maintenance costs (near zero, in comparison to a full sized nuke plant, anyway, not near zero in comparison to say, my checkbook), near zero pollution issues (build the solar plant upwind of where ever you want), zero radioactivity so the terrified clueless masses won't complain, dramatically lower labor costs, etc.
Like it or not, commercially competitive solar is here and/or on the way, since they cost around the same to build, but cost almost nothing to operate. It's not a "green" or enviro-loonie thing anymore to build a solar plant, its now cold hard inevitable capitalist economics at work.
The reason why $1 per watt is important, which isn't mentioned in the summary, is not just that it's a nice round number, but the capital cost of electricity for most major industrialized nations averages about a buck a watt. Some more, some less, depends on the cost of land and the economic conditions when the plants were built, technology level, pollution controls, etc, but your local electrical power company happily pays about a buck a watt to build a traditional non-solar plant.
Solar only works half the day, but probably much lower maintenance, slower depreciation, and no fuel costs at all.
So, it now costs "about the same" to build a 1 GW coal, a 1 GW natgas, a 1 GW nuke, OR A 1 GW SOLAR... Which brings solar into the corporate boardroom.
and, once they are damaged or destroyed, the materials can be reused...
Tellurium is extremely rare... the best "ore" source for it would likely be.... used solar panels. Instead of meth addicts stealing the copper power lines, they'll start stealing panels for tellurium recycling. Weird but true. Wait till all the meth heads figure out automotive catalytic converters contain precious metals, and not just the high functioning ones know.
So if a 1 kW panel costs $1000 (around 800 euros), it will generate enough energy to pay for itself in 4000 hours, i.e. about half a year.
Those must be metric days in Euro-land... On average you only get about 4320 hours of daytime per year, minus some storms and clouds, so its more like it'll pay for itself in one full year. Even if it's pitch black cloudy half the time, thats still only two years to payoff.
If it includes a way to read the power voltage waveform at high resolution (at 44.1 kHz or 48 kHz with 16-bit would be great), I have an idea for it. And no, it's not communications over wireless (that would be great for other applications, too).
I'm guessing, maybe the worlds most complicated software implemented X-10 remote control interface, complete with DSP filtering?
Might be fun to monitor/hack that new "inspiron" home automation hardware.
A laptop, usually small lightweight and long battery life, marketed as a gmail/youtube/linkedin/slashdot/4chan/AIM access device, rather than marketed as a windoze device.
Vapor-phase hydrazine is degraded in the atmosphere by reaction with photochemically-produced hydroxyl radicals and ozone with estimated half-lives of about 6 and 9 hours, respectively.
All the usual rules of half lives apply here. Somewhere between 1/2 and 3/4 of it's already broken down... Of course if sticking your head inside the fuel tank to take a look would have originally killed you 100 times over, and now it'll only kill you 25 times over, thats little comfort at this moment. None the less, even in colder conditions, it'll be "mostly harmless" in at most a couple weeks or so.
Why should I personally care if "evolutionary failure" occurs?
If, and only if, you're of the belief that tendencies toward intelligence, altruism, responsibility, etc have absolutely 0% zero none nada no genetic component at all, then thats a perfectly consistent belief. Also have to believe that there is zero none nada social/cultural component that trains those attitudes. Its a pretty peculiar set of beliefs, if you think about it, since it implies that intelligence, altruism, responsibility, etc, for all individuals comes completely independently from "nothing" out of thin air, separately for each person, which seems unlikely, or from a creator god, which admittedly seems even less likely to me as an atheistic evolutionist.
So, if your ancestors really believed that (for common genetic or cultural reasons), then there is a strong likelihood you would not currently exist either because they'd fail to reproduce. So this is another peculiar set of beliefs to hold, its basically the argument above put in historical context, if the same genetics / personalities / history / culture / society makes me not want to reproduce now, existed in the past (which seems quite likely), then why didn't it affect my zillions of ancestors convincing them not to reproduce, thus I should not exist to contemplate why I should not reproduce?
"Care" and "obligation" are pointless anthropomorphisms trying to cover up the heartless hand of evolution as it perfects genes, societies, cultures.
So, shouldn't the polar bears currently be living in lukewarm tea?
Another way to look at global warming is by time. During an ice age temperature warms or cools at a rate of X degrees per century. Some shriekers claim over a century global warming will make the temperature rise by Y degrees. What are X, Y, and X/Y. I'm unimpressed. The land I live on has been under a warm tropical sea giving nice limestone deposits and also more recently under two miles of ice giving crazy terrain. The future is not going to be any less inconsistent.
On the other hand, I don't exactly know what obligation I have to do anything for the earth if there is no God and I'm a product of evolution.
Your obligation according to evolution is to maximize the survival of your descendants. Ruined planet = no descendants, or no descendants of descendants, etc. No descendants equals evolutionary failure. So, your obligation is not to screw it up.
Tru64 has been abandonware for four long years and will have no commercial support in only three years.
To quote the great wikipedia:
In December 2004, HP announced a change of plan; they would instead use the Veritas file system and abandon the Tru64 advanced features. In the process, many of the remaining Tru64 developers were laid off.[8]
In July 2007, HP stated that they would continue to support Tru64 UNIX until at least 2012.
You'd get more support by complaining that VMS, MVS/370, and TRS-DOS 1.3 don't come with BASH.
Twenty years ago I was in the same school district and would have attended her high school. (Her school was not built until after I graduated). So, that narrows down where I grew up to about a square mile..
Anyway, a buddy of mine had a big box of.22 ammo in his locker for use at the range after school, got caught, and was lectured for a minute and told to take it home. There was no buttock storage involved unlike this story, which may or may not be relevant.
Also as a member of the future military members club, we thought it amusing to play hot potato with demilitarized training grenades in the hallway. Nobody really cared but some ex-mil teachers started telling us some "war-stories".
I recall police were called only for drug possession incidents.
It is, admittedly, a much more ghetto / multicultural area now which may explain the heavy handed-ness and / or police state environment now seen.
Who trades in a phone just to get a different connector?
When your ultra-proprietary custom charger breaks, if the phone is no longer a recent "hot" model the charger will no longer be available, you have to buy a new phone as you will never be able to charge your old phone again.
And believe me, the company knows this and encourages it.
Easy business model to "monetize" something out of a chemical plant... trademarks, patents, copyrights, trade secrets, all to protect the investment.
How go you do this with "sponge juice"? I'm guessing they'd have to completely switch business models and try to run it like a fishery or fish canning factory or something?
I would not expect the pharmaceutical industrial complex to rally around this new idea.
It would be like if someone proved orange juice cures colds, or HFCS causes obesity, there's no way to make money out of that interesting but unprofitable knowledge.
That sounds like fun! Individually scanning several hundreds of thousands of pages. At 30 seconds per page, if I start today and work at it 40-50 hours per week, a small-medium sized book collection should be all scanned and ready for reading around a year from now.
Apparently you are not acquainted with bitsavers.org. From what I've read, they use sheet feeder scanners. Figure much closer to 1 second per page. Still 1.2 million pages would be about 340 hours. A good solid ten weeks work.
The reason to study computer history is nothing ever changes. This current kindle discussion sounds very much like an ipod/mp3 player discussion about ten years ago, with people insisting tower records convert their vinyl and eight traks into mp3 files for their diamond rio. Similarly, with a wink and a nod everyone is pretending that all the content on ebook readers will be expensive legit stuff instead of downloaded P2P files.
a nightmare of communicating to customers what extra libraries they'll need
Or you distribute a demo under a license that allows redistribution, and let the distros work it out -- when people want the full game, they put in a key and download the rest of the content.
Oddly enough, Debian has about ten thousand packages most of which handle dependencies transparently to the user. I'm sure with that much practice handling one more package won't be too difficult.
Now this won't work with Oracle or MS Office as they can just download the package and never pay, but Eve is/was a MMORPG which means its quite useless without a paid login.
I stopped playing EVE years ago because at the time they only supported windows and I lost my only working windows install (mac and linux only household). I never got around to reactivating my account, now I never will.
I used APRS but stopped since so few people I knew were using it. I was only the third person in SE Wisconsin. And the punchline is that was in 1992, only 17 short years ago.
Google is using their elite area 51 UFO technology to build a time machine?
A year ago I tried APRS again and was fairly shocked at seeing at least a hundred folks on in my area...
Imagine how easily US Citizens can be found in a crowd. I wonder if the RFID "lighthouse" in my passport will put me at a higher risk than other nation's citizens?
RFID passports are the ultimate tool for terrorists. You have to wonder if the government people pushing them are sleeper cell agents or something. Maybe just good ole americans but taking bribes from terrorists.
In the old days they set off IEDs using switches. Follow the wires back to they hidey hold and shoot them. End of terror threat.
Then they moved to cell phone (a most impressive "ringtone"). With some cooperation w/ the phone company, you track down the caller and shoot them (only the stupid ones of course, the smart ones smash the caller phone seconds after the callee phone goes boom and both will have clean records)
Now you just build a mine that waits for a passport RFID. No need to decode fully, just, is there a passport signal, if so kaboom. No way whatsoever to stop them anymore.
You're doing a heck of a job, american passport design department! Heck of a job stacking up american corpses I mean.
I thought it was an analog, non-QAM stream that was affected.I thought QAM was only for digital transmissions
I thought of another reason... The Guardian reported it was the Club Jenna feed. Now I can't imagine distributing club jenna on analog, you need digital for settop authorization and accounting. No one does club jenna on the standard analog lineup, or if they do, I should move there. So, if Club Jenna absolutely has to be digital, then what it was swapped for must have been the digital... The digital feed for NBC. You can't just swap a QAM subchannel on top of an analog channel and have it display. Apples and oranges.
I guess you could theoretically distribute unencrypted NTSC plain analog channel club jenna, but thats an unlikely design. Gotta be digital...
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Interesting (if true) that they didn't just put on solar panels (will the rover be used during the lunar night?).
Very slightly off topic, you'd be amazed how many people confuse "same face always facing the earth" with "same face always facing the sun". Then for a good time explain Mercury's spin-orbit resonance and they get all confused.
During the night, a good way to keep warm is a nice toasty nuclear reactor or RTG.
Actually its very logical.
Any country can put something that goes boom in a shipping container and ship it to DC. Or maybe DC and NORAD. Or maybe DC and NORAD and one to each military base. But can they be sure they got every last submarine and every last silo and every last bomber?
Its a good tool for peace, because even with a ridiculously good plan and unbelievable good luck, maybe some inside help, the bad guys still will fail to get the last 1% and that last 1% will vaporize them to get even.
Thus, world nuclear peace ensues since nuclear war is utterly un-winnable no matter how much you cheat, at least if you play against the US. Now on the other hand, think india and pakistan, one side could win if they faught sneakily enough, therefore they'll probably fight in the (near) future.
"... and their actions verge on discrimination."
No, legal terms have legislated meanings, ad you don't get to make them up as you go along. Googling someone to see if they're a Nazi child molester on the no-fly list is perfectly legal, and as a hiring manager, you can bet I'm going to keep doing it.
Checking their facebook page to see if they are black or white, on the other hand...
And even if, as a hiring manager, you claim not to care, if it can be proven that you looked at two facebook pages, saw their pictures, and decided not to interview the black guy, you are open for huge legal settlements.
Hell, I get bored working on the same system for more than a year. I can't imagine working on the same system (human) for my entire career.
Try veterinary medicine, perhaps large animal veterinary medicine. Too bad its a one way ticket to poverty compared to human medicine...
You mentioned that solar only works half the time, but you seemed to dismiss it as irrelevant.
Not just seemed to, but very intentionally disregarded it.
Check out some historical numbers
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_energy
"... and Daryl Chapin created the silicon solar cell in 1954.[71] These early solar cells cost 286 USD/watt and reached efficiencies ..."
Since 1954, an improvement of a factor of 286, plus or minus some marketing. You are commenting that a factor of 2 to 4 is more significant or otherwise outshines a factor of 286.
Also note that a reasonably decent nuclear power plant might only have a capacity factor of 75%. Non-solar plants of any type never run quite at 100% capacity factor, at least for very long.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yankee_Rowe_Nuclear_Power_Station
The small difference in capacity factor (maybe a factor of two in overall capital costs) can be made up over time by ZERO fuel costs, near-zero maintenance costs (near zero, in comparison to a full sized nuke plant, anyway, not near zero in comparison to say, my checkbook), near zero pollution issues (build the solar plant upwind of where ever you want), zero radioactivity so the terrified clueless masses won't complain, dramatically lower labor costs, etc.
Like it or not, commercially competitive solar is here and/or on the way, since they cost around the same to build, but cost almost nothing to operate. It's not a "green" or enviro-loonie thing anymore to build a solar plant, its now cold hard inevitable capitalist economics at work.
The reason why $1 per watt is important, which isn't mentioned in the summary, is not just that it's a nice round number, but the capital cost of electricity for most major industrialized nations averages about a buck a watt. Some more, some less, depends on the cost of land and the economic conditions when the plants were built, technology level, pollution controls, etc, but your local electrical power company happily pays about a buck a watt to build a traditional non-solar plant.
Solar only works half the day, but probably much lower maintenance, slower depreciation, and no fuel costs at all.
So, it now costs "about the same" to build a 1 GW coal, a 1 GW natgas, a 1 GW nuke, OR A 1 GW SOLAR ... Which brings solar into the corporate boardroom.
and, once they are damaged or destroyed, the materials can be reused ...
Tellurium is extremely rare... the best "ore" source for it would likely be .... used solar panels. Instead of meth addicts stealing the copper power lines, they'll start stealing panels for tellurium recycling. Weird but true. Wait till all the meth heads figure out automotive catalytic converters contain precious metals, and not just the high functioning ones know.
So if a 1 kW panel costs $1000 (around 800 euros), it will generate enough energy to pay for itself in 4000 hours, i.e. about half a year.
Those must be metric days in Euro-land... On average you only get about 4320 hours of daytime per year, minus some storms and clouds, so its more like it'll pay for itself in one full year. Even if it's pitch black cloudy half the time, thats still only two years to payoff.
If it includes a way to read the power voltage waveform at high resolution (at 44.1 kHz or 48 kHz with 16-bit would be great), I have an idea for it. And no, it's not communications over wireless (that would be great for other applications, too).
I'm guessing, maybe the worlds most complicated software implemented X-10 remote control interface, complete with DSP filtering?
Might be fun to monitor/hack that new "inspiron" home automation hardware.
What IS a netbook?
A laptop, usually small lightweight and long battery life, marketed as a gmail/youtube/linkedin/slashdot/4chan/AIM access device, rather than marketed as a windoze device.
I hope that means all the fuel was burned. There's too much of that stuff floating around loose on the planet already.
Over the long term, hydrazine in the environment is mostly harmless.
http://www.gasdetection.com/TECH/hydrazine.html
Vapor-phase hydrazine is degraded in the atmosphere by reaction with photochemically-produced hydroxyl radicals and ozone with estimated half-lives of about 6 and 9 hours, respectively.
All the usual rules of half lives apply here. Somewhere between 1/2 and 3/4 of it's already broken down... Of course if sticking your head inside the fuel tank to take a look would have originally killed you 100 times over, and now it'll only kill you 25 times over, thats little comfort at this moment. None the less, even in colder conditions, it'll be "mostly harmless" in at most a couple weeks or so.
Why should I personally care if "evolutionary failure" occurs?
If, and only if, you're of the belief that tendencies toward intelligence, altruism, responsibility, etc have absolutely 0% zero none nada no genetic component at all, then thats a perfectly consistent belief. Also have to believe that there is zero none nada social/cultural component that trains those attitudes. Its a pretty peculiar set of beliefs, if you think about it, since it implies that intelligence, altruism, responsibility, etc, for all individuals comes completely independently from "nothing" out of thin air, separately for each person, which seems unlikely, or from a creator god, which admittedly seems even less likely to me as an atheistic evolutionist.
So, if your ancestors really believed that (for common genetic or cultural reasons), then there is a strong likelihood you would not currently exist either because they'd fail to reproduce. So this is another peculiar set of beliefs to hold, its basically the argument above put in historical context, if the same genetics / personalities / history / culture / society makes me not want to reproduce now, existed in the past (which seems quite likely), then why didn't it affect my zillions of ancestors convincing them not to reproduce, thus I should not exist to contemplate why I should not reproduce?
"Care" and "obligation" are pointless anthropomorphisms trying to cover up the heartless hand of evolution as it perfects genes, societies, cultures.
290 ppm in pre-industrial times to 365 ppm today and that increase is NOT having a significant effect on climate.
Hmm. Lets think polar ice cap. 365 ppm / 290 ppm * 273 Celsius gives us 343 Celsius.
So, shouldn't the polar bears currently be living in lukewarm tea?
Another way to look at global warming is by time. During an ice age temperature warms or cools at a rate of X degrees per century. Some shriekers claim over a century global warming will make the temperature rise by Y degrees. What are X, Y, and X/Y. I'm unimpressed. The land I live on has been under a warm tropical sea giving nice limestone deposits and also more recently under two miles of ice giving crazy terrain. The future is not going to be any less inconsistent.
On the other hand, I don't exactly know what obligation I have to do anything for the earth if there is no God and I'm a product of evolution.
Your obligation according to evolution is to maximize the survival of your descendants.
Ruined planet = no descendants, or no descendants of descendants, etc.
No descendants equals evolutionary failure.
So, your obligation is not to screw it up.
Seems obvious?
Tru64. That's three off the top of my head.
What, three users or three installed servers?
Tru64 has been abandonware for four long years and will have no commercial support in only three years.
To quote the great wikipedia:
In December 2004, HP announced a change of plan; they would instead use the Veritas file system and abandon the Tru64 advanced features. In the process, many of the remaining Tru64 developers were laid off.[8]
In July 2007, HP stated that they would continue to support Tru64 UNIX until at least 2012.
You'd get more support by complaining that VMS, MVS/370, and TRS-DOS 1.3 don't come with BASH.
Twenty years ago I was in the same school district and would have attended her high school. (Her school was not built until after I graduated). So, that narrows down where I grew up to about a square mile..
Anyway, a buddy of mine had a big box of .22 ammo in his locker for use at the range after school, got caught, and was lectured for a minute and told to take it home. There was no buttock storage involved unlike this story, which may or may not be relevant.
Also as a member of the future military members club, we thought it amusing to play hot potato with demilitarized training grenades in the hallway. Nobody really cared but some ex-mil teachers started telling us some "war-stories".
I recall police were called only for drug possession incidents.
It is, admittedly, a much more ghetto / multicultural area now which may explain the heavy handed-ness and / or police state environment now seen.
It could be that there are genuine core uses for ... Twitter ... though I cannot personally think of what they could be.
It's baby IRC for text-tards.
Who trades in a phone just to get a different connector?
When your ultra-proprietary custom charger breaks, if the phone is no longer a recent "hot" model the charger will no longer be available, you have to buy a new phone as you will never be able to charge your old phone again.
And believe me, the company knows this and encourages it.
yet it's never been adopted in western medicine.
Easy business model to "monetize" something out of a chemical plant... trademarks, patents, copyrights, trade secrets, all to protect the investment.
How go you do this with "sponge juice"? I'm guessing they'd have to completely switch business models and try to run it like a fishery or fish canning factory or something?
I would not expect the pharmaceutical industrial complex to rally around this new idea.
It would be like if someone proved orange juice cures colds, or HFCS causes obesity, there's no way to make money out of that interesting but unprofitable knowledge.
That sounds like fun! Individually scanning several hundreds of thousands of pages. At 30 seconds per page, if I start today and work at it 40-50 hours per week, a small-medium sized book collection should be all scanned and ready for reading around a year from now.
Apparently you are not acquainted with bitsavers.org. From what I've read, they use sheet feeder scanners. Figure much closer to 1 second per page. Still 1.2 million pages would be about 340 hours. A good solid ten weeks work.
The reason to study computer history is nothing ever changes. This current kindle discussion sounds very much like an ipod/mp3 player discussion about ten years ago, with people insisting tower records convert their vinyl and eight traks into mp3 files for their diamond rio. Similarly, with a wink and a nod everyone is pretending that all the content on ebook readers will be expensive legit stuff instead of downloaded P2P files.
How about A New Kind Of Science by Wolfram?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_New_Kind_of_Science
There are multiple levels to read the book, from some pretty pictures to pretty weird philosophy, so you're not too limited.
The book is readable online for free, thats always convenient for the budget.
At least some academics violently hate the book... truly at a level of reality TV drama, if not fiercer, which could appeal to the kids.
The pictures / artistic possibilities are interesting.
And you can work in some programming.
Whats not to like?
a nightmare of communicating to customers what extra libraries they'll need
Or you distribute a demo under a license that allows redistribution, and let the distros work it out -- when people want the full game, they put in a key and download the rest of the content.
Oddly enough, Debian has about ten thousand packages most of which handle dependencies transparently to the user. I'm sure with that much practice handling one more package won't be too difficult.
Now this won't work with Oracle or MS Office as they can just download the package and never pay, but Eve is/was a MMORPG which means its quite useless without a paid login.
I stopped playing EVE years ago because at the time they only supported windows and I lost my only working windows install (mac and linux only household). I never got around to reactivating my account, now I never will.
I used APRS but stopped since so few people I knew were using it.
I was only the third person in SE Wisconsin.
And the punchline is that was in 1992, only 17 short years ago.
Google is using their elite area 51 UFO technology to build a time machine?
A year ago I tried APRS again and was fairly shocked at seeing at least a hundred folks on in my area...
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Imagine how easily US Citizens can be found in a crowd. I wonder if the RFID "lighthouse" in my passport will put me at a higher risk than other nation's citizens?
RFID passports are the ultimate tool for terrorists. You have to wonder if the government people pushing them are sleeper cell agents or something. Maybe just good ole americans but taking bribes from terrorists.
In the old days they set off IEDs using switches. Follow the wires back to they hidey hold and shoot them. End of terror threat.
Then they moved to cell phone (a most impressive "ringtone"). With some cooperation w/ the phone company, you track down the caller and shoot them (only the stupid ones of course, the smart ones smash the caller phone seconds after the callee phone goes boom and both will have clean records)
Now you just build a mine that waits for a passport RFID. No need to decode fully, just, is there a passport signal, if so kaboom. No way whatsoever to stop them anymore.
You're doing a heck of a job, american passport design department! Heck of a job stacking up american corpses I mean.
I thought it was an analog, non-QAM stream that was affected.I thought QAM was only for digital transmissions
I thought of another reason... The Guardian reported it was the Club Jenna feed. Now I can't imagine distributing club jenna on analog, you need digital for settop authorization and accounting. No one does club jenna on the standard analog lineup, or if they do, I should move there. So, if Club Jenna absolutely has to be digital, then what it was swapped for must have been the digital... The digital feed for NBC. You can't just swap a QAM subchannel on top of an analog channel and have it display. Apples and oranges.
I guess you could theoretically distribute unencrypted NTSC plain analog channel club jenna, but thats an unlikely design. Gotta be digital...