If you want to compile the Linux kernel on an 8mb machine, you still can... just get an older version appropriate for your machine. It's mostly available here: ftp://ftp.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/
Why is it that I always seem to read this phrase from Microsoft... and yet don't always see it in practice? If it's something that may eat their monopoly, they say it's bad for the customers. Example? Open Document Format, and Linux. OpenDocument gives people the option of choosing office suites without the worry of format troubles. That's good for the customer. Linux distributions give customers the choice of platform. That's also good for the customer. Simply these two things increases competition, possibly increasing quality and, hopefully, lowering prices. Isn't that good for customers as well?
As someone who used redhat through 6.0, 7.0, and 7.1 in a professional capacity, as well as all of the rest of them since 1999, I can tell you that you either have no idea what you're talking about, or you're trolling.
OK... professional capacity. I'll bite.
Also: Redhat had a good business releasing a product for free and selling support and physical media. They weren't terribly profitable, but whatever, they were a good company.
So I guess by professional capacity, you don't really care if Red Hat is profitable? Business people generally want their "partners" to be profitable. This ensures that everyone stays alive in the long term. Having a "good company" that isn't profitable is a risky venture for those using that "good company"'s products.
Now, their workstation costs $180 PER YEAR minimum. Their server costs $350 PER YEAR minimum. And they didn't even write the software! They just wrote a couple of shell scripts to configure shit for you, and released someone else's work.
Right. Professional.
But, oh wait, fedora's free, and it's pretty good! Yeah, where's the support for it? When redhat 7.1/7.2 etc came out, you could count on several years of software updates for the included packages. Not now - you're lucky to get 6 months out of fedora. And if you need support for Fedora Core1 at this point, the answer is "Upgrade to FC3 or FC4".
There's also SuSE, Ubuntu, Debian, Mandrake, Gentoo, etc. Whatever fits your needs.
Well, whatever for your desktop, but for servers? You can't be telling people they need to upgrade their server every 6 months to get updates. And anyone who says Fedora isn't a testbed for Enterprise is delusional.
CentOS is the first thing that I'd recommend. I've been using it on our servers without any worries. As a troll, you'll probably say, "Well Red Hat can pull the plug on that anytime". So then we'd use Debian, Ubuntu, SuSE, Mandrake, etc.
Come on, people. RedHat shot themselves in the foot. They can't even compete with *MICROSOFT* on price anymore, hell, when you buy 2003 server, you at least get 5 years (plus or minus) of updates included. When you buy Windows XP Pro, you get the same thing. Not to mention, both come with support (such as it is). RedHat doesn't even make a token effort. And if you can't compete with microsoft on pricing and/or support, what's the point? Before you say stability and security, I'd like to first point you to the BSD's, which are free, and better than redhat at both. Hell, solaris is cheaper than RedHat, and it's significantly more stable.
Why point to BSD or Solaris when there are other Linux distros out there that are just as good, if not, better than RH? And with RHEL, you get at least 5 years (plus or minus as well) of support and updates.
Once people let go of the redhat name, it will die off. It's coasting on name recognition at this point. But redhat's "paradigm shift" or whatever has done more negative for the professional linux community than anything I can ever think of.
Negative for the "Professional Linux Community"? How so? Because of price? There are people willing to pay for RH's price. RH uses that money to pay the salaries of it's employees. It's employees are FOSS hackers, doing stuff a lot of people use, not just with Fedora or RHEL, but with a lot of other distros as well. Where's the negative in that? High prices? In my experience there is this term in business I like to always keep in mind: "You get what you pay for".
I remember reading this as a joke somewhere (most probably on Slashdot), but basically MS is slowly their own *nix.
DOS - Boot Loader DOS - Also the Shell, probably perfected in Win2k and up Windows 3.11 - Window Manager. Perfected maybe around Win98SE? Command Prompt w/.NET scripting - programmable shell like bash, or bash with perl/python/etc.
So now it's *nix like permissions. I wonder what's next? I hope it's loadable modules. I hate having to reboot just to remove or install a driver.
I don't get your logic... who can be held accountable for FOSS?
You say right now Microsoft can be held accountable for their software? I don't believe that. When have we seen a major lawsuit because of security holes in Microsoft software? In fact, when have we seen lawsuits because of security holes in any software, proprietary or open source?
You say you've been very proactive with your boxes. Then that answers your question on accountability. You manage them, so you're accountable. If you outsourced your service to Red Hat, they would be held accountable. If Microsoft was the one that deployed and manages your IT setup, they would be held accountable.
What's up with responsibility and accountability these days? Do we always have to blame others rather than ourselves?
This is the IT industry. Since when has "evidence" been important? It's mostly been about hype and FUD. It's either someone is hyping the "Next Big Thing(TM)" or is talking FUD about competition or just stuff in general.
Hype - Dot Com businesses..NET Initiative. Single Sign-on (Passport). Year of the Linux Desktop. Mobile Internet (WAP).
FUD in general - Mobile Phone Viruses (currently via Symbian powered devices). PDA Viruses (initiated by a crack to a Palm Gameboy emulator). RIAA members losing tons of money because of piracy. Software industry losing tons of money because of piracy.
FUD against competition - TCO (it's both FUD and hype; FUD for competition, hype for your own stuff). Top ten things to look for in an MP3 player (where everything on the list is against iPods). Studies showing Apple has 3 percent market share and will die soon (if I were a business about to die, I want to be Apple).
etc. etc.
IT is immaturity at it's best. Sorry had to rant about these stuff and make it semi related to the story. See, no proof needed.
How about setting a "quota" of sorts on payments. Once it reachers a certain amount collected, then release it for free. I'm sure there are plenty who would like to pay to get the stuff first and just to support them. The more popular the stuff is, the more people would be willing to pay. After they've reached the quota, release. Those who can afford and want to contribute will get it first. The rest can just either pay and get it, or hope it reaches quota. If it doesn't reach quota. Then pay for it if it's that important.
Warning: I did not read TFA.
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You see, people are worried about advocacy because these create mindshare. Without advocacy, people won't understand what the advantages are with using/supporting whatever it is you are advocating.
Without advocacy, your product/whatever will seem inadequate, small, meaningless. This will make your whatever simply useless in the eyes of those who have not decided for themselves at the moment.
People who are not making money out of this have all to lose if they don't get the advocacy they need. They don't have marketing might, and advocacy is all they have. The moment they lose advocacy, they lose mindshare, they lose users. They will them either wither and cease to exist, or become mediocre and simply unimportant, a relic of the past, with the people unwilling to just move on.
You have already decided what you need/want. This makes advocacy useless for you. For the rest of those who have not finalized that decision, they need this stuff to understand the advantages as viewed by those who use the stuff.
Of course, you are also advocating Linux and NetBSD by stating you use those. You didn't give hard facts, but it's still advocacy in a simpler form.
No, no. You have it all wrong. Dvorak doesn't think anything. He has to keep writing trolling articles like these, just to remain relevant in the IT industry, when in fact, he no longer is.
Actually I'm looking at it from another perspective... the business owner perspective. This version of Windows now allows me to have a PC with Windows without a Media Player. So now, I can set the user account to a reduced permission, so they can't install much else. And at the same time, don't have to hack with permissions, gpedit.msc, etc, just so employees can't play videos, and music in the office.
If the employee needs it, they will have to first request for it. If approved by management, then they get it. Otherwise, it's basic computer without stuff that can be distracting to work.
Now if only we can get the browser and email program out. Some employees don't need the Internet at all. So not having the applications removes distractions, temptation, and cruft.
This is actually the reason I like deploying Linux desktops for employees... because I can control whether or not they get certain applications. If they need it, they'll have to ask for permission first, rather than have it in by default without any good reason.
I agree with this idea. If the networks actually distributed their shows, complete with their commercials, then I'll download it from them.
At my current situation, the only reason I downloaded Enterprise was because the local cable channel playing Enterprise is only showing Season 1, whereas in the US, they're already at Season 4. In the age of digital instantaneous information, this is absolutely pointless. Maybe delay it by one season, but 3 whole seasons??? Plus, they haven't even finished Season 1 and they already showed 3 episodes twice, and one episode three times! Sheesh.
If the networks actually decided they'd offer torrents, they could: a) create video files that have the proper sponsorship from whichever continent in the world. b) detect which continent I am from. c) offer me the torrent with the appropriate commercials.
It wouldn't be foolproof. Heck it might annoy them that I now have complete videos on my harddisk, instead of getting me to buy a DVD set in the future. But if I were a rabid fan, I'd still buy the DVD set for clearer videos, with additional features (interviews, bloopers, etc.).
The question is... is there any outside-of-the-box-thinking CEO in the TV industry that wants to start a new trend? Or does Apple have to start these new trends for them?
Although I don't agree that the quality has to be better. Just "TV clear quality" is good enough for me.
I'm imagine they could make an IE "update" that will install when you update Windows. Then all of a sudden there will be a "Search the Web" link on people's desktop without their asking for it. People will see it, double-click it, and wham, they load MSN Search. I see that as a possible way for them to use their advantage in Windows.
Will they do it? Maybe, maybe not. But if they do, people will try it out, and if it works out fine, they'll use it simple because it's Good Enough(tm), and it's branded with the Microsoft label.
Ummm... I've created several templates in Open Office. Basically I design them (mostly spreadsheets). Then I click "File"->"Save As", and then select "OpenOffice.org 1.0 Spreadsheet Template (stc)".
So now when I want to create a spreadsheet with the same styles, look, etc, I just doubleclick the.stc file, and boom, I have a predesigned template. Plus, when I click "File"->"Save", it automatically tries to save a new file. I've tried this several times with Office, and it keeps overwriting my template. I have to click "File"->"Save As" in word for example just so I won't absentmindedly overwrite a difficultly created template.
I didn't read the article so I really have no idea if the templating in OpenOffice you're talking about is different from what I mention... but that's how I, a financial officer, do it.
For one, stop wasting electricity posting useless shortsighted comments on Slashdot.
The world is a few billion years old (based on what scientists say). I doubt anyone can see a trend in global climate change based on 10-20 years of experiencing it.
I wouldn't exactly say that my idea is the best, it was just a reaction to using a really small computer inside a car. And with the current trend in LCD touchscreens as interface that's the only application I gave. It wasn't the perfect idea, and I'd gladly hear out alternative ideas. The other idea of voice-operated controls was nice if it would work.
And no, I don't look at my radio. Other people do. That's why I read the manuals on my car, radio, etc, after I buy, this way, I don't have to look at radios, etc. to operate them.
So with that... you don't like the LCD idea... what other suggestions do you have?
Yes. That's why they want to control these stuff using an LCD screen. These screens can have bigger "buttons" that are color coded. So instead of fumbling with a black radio with black buttons with dim green or amber lights, you just take a quick glance, and press the color that you've already memorized is the function you're looking for.
And that is of course why I said music. Anyone who watches videos on LCD displays in a car while driving is insane.
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I've stated this before a couple years back. Pretty soon, we'll have to pay licensing fees for simply whistling tunes.
When does the greed end?
If you want to compile the Linux kernel on an 8mb machine, you still can... just get an older version appropriate for your machine. It's mostly available here: ftp://ftp.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/
Why is it that I always seem to read this phrase from Microsoft... and yet don't always see it in practice? If it's something that may eat their monopoly, they say it's bad for the customers. Example? Open Document Format, and Linux. OpenDocument gives people the option of choosing office suites without the worry of format troubles. That's good for the customer. Linux distributions give customers the choice of platform. That's also good for the customer. Simply these two things increases competition, possibly increasing quality and, hopefully, lowering prices. Isn't that good for customers as well?
My only 'hope' is that I don't wake up tomorrow with a big fricking solar sail next to my house. I don't think I can stand the media attention.
As someone who used redhat through 6.0, 7.0, and 7.1 in a professional capacity, as well as all of the rest of them since 1999, I can tell you that you either have no idea what you're talking about, or you're trolling.
OK... professional capacity. I'll bite.
Also: Redhat had a good business releasing a product for free and selling support and physical media. They weren't terribly profitable, but whatever, they were a good company.
So I guess by professional capacity, you don't really care if Red Hat is profitable? Business people generally want their "partners" to be profitable. This ensures that everyone stays alive in the long term. Having a "good company" that isn't profitable is a risky venture for those using that "good company"'s products.
Now, their workstation costs $180 PER YEAR minimum. Their server costs $350 PER YEAR minimum. And they didn't even write the software! They just wrote a couple of shell scripts to configure shit for you, and released someone else's work.
Right. Professional.
But, oh wait, fedora's free, and it's pretty good! Yeah, where's the support for it? When redhat 7.1/7.2 etc came out, you could count on several years of software updates for the included packages. Not now - you're lucky to get 6 months out of fedora. And if you need support for Fedora Core1 at this point, the answer is "Upgrade to FC3 or FC4".
There's also SuSE, Ubuntu, Debian, Mandrake, Gentoo, etc. Whatever fits your needs.
Well, whatever for your desktop, but for servers? You can't be telling people they need to upgrade their server every 6 months to get updates. And anyone who says Fedora isn't a testbed for Enterprise is delusional.
CentOS is the first thing that I'd recommend. I've been using it on our servers without any worries. As a troll, you'll probably say, "Well Red Hat can pull the plug on that anytime". So then we'd use Debian, Ubuntu, SuSE, Mandrake, etc.
Come on, people. RedHat shot themselves in the foot. They can't even compete with *MICROSOFT* on price anymore, hell, when you buy 2003 server, you at least get 5 years (plus or minus) of updates included. When you buy Windows XP Pro, you get the same thing. Not to mention, both come with support (such as it is). RedHat doesn't even make a token effort. And if you can't compete with microsoft on pricing and/or support, what's the point? Before you say stability and security, I'd like to first point you to the BSD's, which are free, and better than redhat at both. Hell, solaris is cheaper than RedHat, and it's significantly more stable.
Why point to BSD or Solaris when there are other Linux distros out there that are just as good, if not, better than RH? And with RHEL, you get at least 5 years (plus or minus as well) of support and updates.
Once people let go of the redhat name, it will die off. It's coasting on name recognition at this point. But redhat's "paradigm shift" or whatever has done more negative for the professional linux community than anything I can ever think of.
Negative for the "Professional Linux Community"? How so? Because of price? There are people willing to pay for RH's price. RH uses that money to pay the salaries of it's employees. It's employees are FOSS hackers, doing stuff a lot of people use, not just with Fedora or RHEL, but with a lot of other distros as well. Where's the negative in that? High prices? In my experience there is this term in business I like to always keep in mind: "You get what you pay for".
I remember reading this as a joke somewhere (most probably on Slashdot), but basically MS is slowly their own *nix.
.NET scripting - programmable shell like bash, or bash with perl/python/etc.
DOS - Boot Loader
DOS - Also the Shell, probably perfected in Win2k and up
Windows 3.11 - Window Manager. Perfected maybe around Win98SE?
Command Prompt w/
So now it's *nix like permissions. I wonder what's next? I hope it's loadable modules. I hate having to reboot just to remove or install a driver.
I think that goes well (or not) with
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Windows XP ProN!
I don't get your logic... who can be held accountable for FOSS?
You say right now Microsoft can be held accountable for their software? I don't believe that. When have we seen a major lawsuit because of security holes in Microsoft software? In fact, when have we seen lawsuits because of security holes in any software, proprietary or open source?
You say you've been very proactive with your boxes. Then that answers your question on accountability. You manage them, so you're accountable. If you outsourced your service to Red Hat, they would be held accountable. If Microsoft was the one that deployed and manages your IT setup, they would be held accountable.
What's up with responsibility and accountability these days? Do we always have to blame others rather than ourselves?
dear... god... not... another... prequel.
Here's some quotes by the Original Series crew regarding this Star Trek idea:
Scottie: "She'll not take much more" (more regarding Star Trek franchise itself)
Bones: "He's dead, Jim"
Spocks: "Highly illogical"
A tip... when posting on slashdot, do not watch porn... especially hardware porn...
I may be marked a troll for this but...
.NET Initiative. Single Sign-on (Passport). Year of the Linux Desktop. Mobile Internet (WAP).
This is the IT industry. Since when has "evidence" been important? It's mostly been about hype and FUD. It's either someone is hyping the "Next Big Thing(TM)" or is talking FUD about competition or just stuff in general.
Hype - Dot Com businesses.
FUD in general - Mobile Phone Viruses (currently via Symbian powered devices). PDA Viruses (initiated by a crack to a Palm Gameboy emulator). RIAA members losing tons of money because of piracy. Software industry losing tons of money because of piracy.
FUD against competition - TCO (it's both FUD and hype; FUD for competition, hype for your own stuff). Top ten things to look for in an MP3 player (where everything on the list is against iPods). Studies showing Apple has 3 percent market share and will die soon (if I were a business about to die, I want to be Apple).
etc. etc.
IT is immaturity at it's best. Sorry had to rant about these stuff and make it semi related to the story. See, no proof needed.
How about setting a "quota" of sorts on payments. Once it reachers a certain amount collected, then release it for free. I'm sure there are plenty who would like to pay to get the stuff first and just to support them. The more popular the stuff is, the more people would be willing to pay. After they've reached the quota, release. Those who can afford and want to contribute will get it first. The rest can just either pay and get it, or hope it reaches quota. If it doesn't reach quota. Then pay for it if it's that important.
Warning: I did not read TFA.
You see, people are worried about advocacy because these create mindshare. Without advocacy, people won't understand what the advantages are with using/supporting whatever it is you are advocating.
Without advocacy, your product/whatever will seem inadequate, small, meaningless. This will make your whatever simply useless in the eyes of those who have not decided for themselves at the moment.
People who are not making money out of this have all to lose if they don't get the advocacy they need. They don't have marketing might, and advocacy is all they have. The moment they lose advocacy, they lose mindshare, they lose users. They will them either wither and cease to exist, or become mediocre and simply unimportant, a relic of the past, with the people unwilling to just move on.
You have already decided what you need/want. This makes advocacy useless for you. For the rest of those who have not finalized that decision, they need this stuff to understand the advantages as viewed by those who use the stuff.
Of course, you are also advocating Linux and NetBSD by stating you use those. You didn't give hard facts, but it's still advocacy in a simpler form.
I have experience in Asian education. And in my country, it seems to be specifically centered towards memorization, rather than practical application.
I'm assuming you're from Asia, simply by seeing that you have to memorize your login name each time you post on slashdot.
No, no. You have it all wrong. Dvorak doesn't think anything. He has to keep writing trolling articles like these, just to remain relevant in the IT industry, when in fact, he no longer is.
Actually I'm looking at it from another perspective... the business owner perspective. This version of Windows now allows me to have a PC with Windows without a Media Player. So now, I can set the user account to a reduced permission, so they can't install much else. And at the same time, don't have to hack with permissions, gpedit.msc, etc, just so employees can't play videos, and music in the office.
If the employee needs it, they will have to first request for it. If approved by management, then they get it. Otherwise, it's basic computer without stuff that can be distracting to work.
Now if only we can get the browser and email program out. Some employees don't need the Internet at all. So not having the applications removes distractions, temptation, and cruft.
This is actually the reason I like deploying Linux desktops for employees... because I can control whether or not they get certain applications. If they need it, they'll have to ask for permission first, rather than have it in by default without any good reason.
Yes your ass will look big in that statue. And yes, YOUANAL will also.
I agree with this idea. If the networks actually distributed their shows, complete with their commercials, then I'll download it from them.
At my current situation, the only reason I downloaded Enterprise was because the local cable channel playing Enterprise is only showing Season 1, whereas in the US, they're already at Season 4. In the age of digital instantaneous information, this is absolutely pointless. Maybe delay it by one season, but 3 whole seasons??? Plus, they haven't even finished Season 1 and they already showed 3 episodes twice, and one episode three times! Sheesh.
If the networks actually decided they'd offer torrents, they could:
a) create video files that have the proper sponsorship from whichever continent in the world.
b) detect which continent I am from.
c) offer me the torrent with the appropriate commercials.
It wouldn't be foolproof. Heck it might annoy them that I now have complete videos on my harddisk, instead of getting me to buy a DVD set in the future. But if I were a rabid fan, I'd still buy the DVD set for clearer videos, with additional features (interviews, bloopers, etc.).
The question is... is there any outside-of-the-box-thinking CEO in the TV industry that wants to start a new trend? Or does Apple have to start these new trends for them?
Although I don't agree that the quality has to be better. Just "TV clear quality" is good enough for me.
No they will not break-down as you go for a WE trip
Did you mean WEEEEEEEE! trip?
I'm imagine they could make an IE "update" that will install when you update Windows. Then all of a sudden there will be a "Search the Web" link on people's desktop without their asking for it. People will see it, double-click it, and wham, they load MSN Search. I see that as a possible way for them to use their advantage in Windows.
Will they do it? Maybe, maybe not. But if they do, people will try it out, and if it works out fine, they'll use it simple because it's Good Enough(tm), and it's branded with the Microsoft label.
It's probably to make up for that short moment during the start of 2005 when stuff they reported didn't matter...
Ummm... I've created several templates in Open Office. Basically I design them (mostly spreadsheets). Then I click "File"->"Save As", and then select "OpenOffice.org 1.0 Spreadsheet Template (stc)".
.stc file, and boom, I have a predesigned template. Plus, when I click "File"->"Save", it automatically tries to save a new file. I've tried this several times with Office, and it keeps overwriting my template. I have to click "File"->"Save As" in word for example just so I won't absentmindedly overwrite a difficultly created template.
So now when I want to create a spreadsheet with the same styles, look, etc, I just doubleclick the
I didn't read the article so I really have no idea if the templating in OpenOffice you're talking about is different from what I mention... but that's how I, a financial officer, do it.
Reverse this trend?
For one, stop wasting electricity posting useless shortsighted comments on Slashdot.
The world is a few billion years old (based on what scientists say). I doubt anyone can see a trend in global climate change based on 10-20 years of experiencing it.
I wouldn't exactly say that my idea is the best, it was just a reaction to using a really small computer inside a car. And with the current trend in LCD touchscreens as interface that's the only application I gave. It wasn't the perfect idea, and I'd gladly hear out alternative ideas. The other idea of voice-operated controls was nice if it would work. And no, I don't look at my radio. Other people do. That's why I read the manuals on my car, radio, etc, after I buy, this way, I don't have to look at radios, etc. to operate them. So with that... you don't like the LCD idea... what other suggestions do you have?
Yes. That's why they want to control these stuff using an LCD screen. These screens can have bigger "buttons" that are color coded. So instead of fumbling with a black radio with black buttons with dim green or amber lights, you just take a quick glance, and press the color that you've already memorized is the function you're looking for. And that is of course why I said music. Anyone who watches videos on LCD displays in a car while driving is insane.