No, they're "services" so other applications can use them. There's no business motive behind it. If you notice, most of Windows' UI is rendered HTML. What do you think they use to render that HTML? Do they bundle a seperate HTML renderer in with every application that uses it? No. They save space by allowing the system to have one built-in renderer, and allowing all other applications to use it if they want.
The same goes for media. Should the smallest application have a fully-blown media player in it if it wants to play an MP3? Of course not. Not only does that include licensing issues, but it means the smallest apps have to be megs bigger, just to play a sound.
If you use Windows, you'll know it has a "Set program access and defaults" section, where you can specify "Non-Microsoft", and it AUTOMATICALLY sets your browser to one which is installed and is NOT microsoft, same with media player, email client, instant messaging and virtual machine.
Asking vendors to go through extra hassle of getting copies of software to include on their machines is silly. They should provide one that works, pre-installed, and give the user a choice to change if they want. As 99.9% of people don't care, they won't change. Your solution pisses off that 99.9% for the sake of the 0.1%. That's just mean:)
What more do you want?
I don't think it's better than nothing. It's not as if Media Player is hard to remove. Heck, just install your own video player, and set Windows to use that as default. You can even select "Non-microsoft" as a software preset, which chooses non-Microsoft products over MS products when a choice is available, AUTOMATICALLY.
This ridiculously pathetic gesture isn't helping anyone at all. It's causing a lot of work for a lot of people to do something so superficial it's beyond reasoning.
If you don't want to use WMP, don't use it. It's that simple. Removing the framework will break many, many other applications, and removing the 72k executable achieves absolutely nothing what-so-ever.
You must be the most ignorant, ill-informed person I've yet to meet online. If you think that it was the collective wish of every Muslim that the WTC was attacked, then you have your head so far up your ass you're beyond help.
My point was that Google has a homogenised workforce, where each person is equal. One person is disrupting the rest, and therefor has to go. Unless that one person is somehow worth "more" than everyone else, he has to go. Of course the majority isn't always right. After all, the US has Bush as a president.
The fact you think it's cool to bag on Muslims in such a baseless fashion shows what an ignorant, intollerant buffoon you are. I feel sorry for you.
Hint. Search google for Muslim responses to the 9/11 attacks. You'll quickly see what a seething racist you are.
If Microsoft cracked down on piracy, then more people would buy Microsoft products instead of using them illegally. Don't think that people will leave Windows if they have to pay for it - they won't - they'll just shell out for a license.
You sound like Linux does everything Windows does. It clearly doesn't. I could write a list here, but I'd be called a troll and no-one would read it anyway:)
What issues do people have with WMP anyway? Don't people realise that WMP and IE are not "applications" but more like "services"? That third-party software developers use these services in their own applications to achieve great results. Look at Zoom Player - arguably the best media player for Windows. It's based on WMP - it uses it to render the video, and using the plethora of hooks into WMP, configure it and tweak it to hades to get the best performance out of it. It's the same with IE - it's just a small OCX control, essentially. The IE "application" is a front-end to this control. Many third-party applications use this OCX to give them very fast access to a reliable HTML-renderer and fully-fledged web browser, again, using the plethora of hooks into it.
Removing these portions will severely affect third-party developers. Now, a zoom player download is increased from a couple of megs to well over 20. Genius.
Is this the only way OSS can win? To cripple the opposition?
400 complaints to the HR department from fellow workers. He had to go. Google did a good thing here, not a bad thing. Those who think it was bad are clearly selfish, if they assume the fired guy's right to speech without reprisal was more important than those 400 peoples' right to not be pissed off.
Windows ME was a good release of Windows. Not good by today's standards, but good enough for most home users to use office and play their 3d-accelerated games.
Microsoft has made plenty of inroads about IE/browser hijacking. If you use their anti-spyware software, any hijacking attempts are stopped automatically.
Your point about not integrating things into the OS is a bit silly. If you want DOS, fine, go use DOS. If you want something that integrates more powerful software into something very useful, use Windows. As I said, IE vulnerabilities aren't a big issue at all. I use IE as my main browser (until firefox is as quick), and I've never experienced any sort of hijacking. No spyware, nothing.
And your last point is just silly. IE and OE are on the CD, they're just installed by default, as most people want a browser and email client. Oh, and you can choose not to install them if you want, so I fail to see what you're on about.
Why on earth would they do that? So the Mac uses go out and buy Windows for their macs?? Are you nuts?
Not everything in the computer world has an alterior motive. Gates isn't scared of Jobs, as Jobs isn't scared of Gates. They both do their own things, and while their worlds are very close together, seldom overlap in any meaningful way.
If you have Windows, you're not going to be using OSX on your computer. If you have OSX, you're not going to be using Windows.
Your analogy is like asking if Ford releasing the new Focus at the same time as Pappa John's adding a new pizza to their menues is indicative of some sort of rivalry.
That's the thing. Windows doesn't make you check you have prerequisites. As a normal user doesn't want to do that, they do it for you.
Your linux analogy is accurate on face value, but if you think about how both OSes achieve this updatability (Windows Update & the plethora of tools for Linux), you'll see which one most normal people want to use.
I don't mind people criticising something, just do it objectively. Complaining about Windows' update procedures when you're advocating linux is ridiculous. It doesn't matter how technologically-advanced the linux tools are, or how secure and open-standards-compliant. Your average user doesn't give a flying fart. And joking that Windows is a never-ending product, you seem to ignore the same sentiments can be applied to Linux, except that windows is on most desktops around the world, not linux. Ignoring that makes you look at worst biassed, and at best a bit naive.
Flame me down. Then your journey to the dark side will be complete.;)
You can do it with any telephony software, be it analogue stuff or VoIP. It's called "least cost routing", and has been done ever since variable-rate routes appeared.
Yes, they have improved it greatly. There's even a shiny "start with windows" button, so you won't get lost:)
Oh, and if you want to find how something's loading, just run "msconfig" - and you see all the services and apps that start with windows, and where they are started from.
First of all, it's a new version. That fact alone means everything you felt you had to post before actually trying it is meaningless.
THEN, you go off on one about if MS made one, it would be buggy. Well, I don't know what made you think that. Windows, graphically, is very sophisticated. I've yet to see a more cohesive, customisable GUI on any OS out there, OSX included. And I'm not like you - I try them frequently, hence me being able to comment on them.
And as for the talent of the developer, how you think you can tell if he's good or not by a very early beta release of an app is beyond me.
grow up just a little, please, that's all it takes.
Umm... the GUI on XP is extremely fast. Most graphics card companies release drivers that give you hardware acceleration on the desktop. I don't want to sound like a dick, but it's miles better than any open source alternative, and is right up there with OSX.
Also, as this uses DirectX or OpenGL, it can use the hardware acceleration of your graphics card. I ran it on my p4 2.4 with a nvidia 5700LE (pants) card, and it ran extremely smoothly, and didn't slow my machine down at all.
I could call you a troll at this point, but I'll resist;)
It's been clearly demonstrated that not everything Da Vinci wrote down has survived, at least attributed to him. To expect everything he's ever written to be in a museum is wishful thinking at best.
Da Vinci demonstrated his knowledge of many scientific disciplines. Bear in mind back then that the notions we have of physics, biology and chemistry were very blurred. He had mastered the aesthetic, the structure and composure of the human body, dynamics of flight, and even figured out gravity long before Newton.
If you want to believe that everything everyone's ever written in history survives today, intact, and STILL attributed to the original author, then please, be my guest. If you look hard enough, you might find that first edition Bible, autographed "To Quentin" by God, featured on the back of the dust jacket wearing his smoking gown, enjoying a cigar and a brandy with his dogs in his Devon mansion.;)
I wouldn't be so sure - Da Vinci, the genius that he was, had thousands of pages of notes at any one time. He moved from project to project frequently, and lots of his work was lost. It is very possible that he figured out how light works, and how to construct a camera. I even saw the TV show in question, and they demonstrated the room-size camera.
That's why you're not maxing out your bandwidth:) I never found eDonkey-type p2p maxing the line out, whereas bittorrent does easily for popular files.
I've got a 4meg line, and I'd love to get upgraded to 8 - I know I can use that much:)
LCDs are a lot better than you'd give them credit for. Most people don't want massive hot monitors on their desks. For instance, here at work, I have 2 19" Hansol LCDs on my desk. They take up a tiny amount of space, and are very easy on the eye. Newer LCDs have 16ms timing, which means they're fine for games and video.
If you spend serious time looking at screens, you need a top of the line LCD. Even hard core gamers will tell you that LCD is just as good.
Oh, and try taking your 22" CRT to your friend's house to game with.;)
hahaha! So you have to CHOOSE YOUR DISTRO to play games, or to do other stuff? That's taking a step back, surely!
You don't have to choose between Windows 98SE, 2000, or XP to play games. They all use DirectX, they all have hardware-accelerated graphics and sound.
Your argument is EXACTLY why games on Linux won't be around for a while. The moment your distro enters the "can I play a game?" equation, all bets are off.
OK, it has OpenGL for the graphics, but what about for sound, or input, or network play? There is no unified Linux API for those things. Look at the state of games on the PC before DirectX - that's where Linux is now. Each game was hard-coded with hardware it would work with. Fortunately, in the early 1990s, there were only 3 types of sound card and joystick, so it was successful. Now, it's not so easy to do that. Try including binary drivers with each game for each type of graphics card. But then - card "X"'s mfrs haven't released drivers for it under Linux, so that card is no longer supported. You can see how this gets difficult.
I've said it before, and I'll say it again. Linux needs its own DirectX-style global-gaming-API before the "big guns" will start releasing Linux games en masse.
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The same goes for media. Should the smallest application have a fully-blown media player in it if it wants to play an MP3? Of course not. Not only does that include licensing issues, but it means the smallest apps have to be megs bigger, just to play a sound.
If you use Windows, you'll know it has a "Set program access and defaults" section, where you can specify "Non-Microsoft", and it AUTOMATICALLY sets your browser to one which is installed and is NOT microsoft, same with media player, email client, instant messaging and virtual machine.
Asking vendors to go through extra hassle of getting copies of software to include on their machines is silly. They should provide one that works, pre-installed, and give the user a choice to change if they want. As 99.9% of people don't care, they won't change. Your solution pisses off that 99.9% for the sake of the 0.1%. That's just mean :)
What more do you want?
This ridiculously pathetic gesture isn't helping anyone at all. It's causing a lot of work for a lot of people to do something so superficial it's beyond reasoning.
If you don't want to use WMP, don't use it. It's that simple. Removing the framework will break many, many other applications, and removing the 72k executable achieves absolutely nothing what-so-ever.
You must be the most ignorant, ill-informed person I've yet to meet online. If you think that it was the collective wish of every Muslim that the WTC was attacked, then you have your head so far up your ass you're beyond help.
My point was that Google has a homogenised workforce, where each person is equal. One person is disrupting the rest, and therefor has to go. Unless that one person is somehow worth "more" than everyone else, he has to go. Of course the majority isn't always right. After all, the US has Bush as a president.
The fact you think it's cool to bag on Muslims in such a baseless fashion shows what an ignorant, intollerant buffoon you are. I feel sorry for you.
Hint. Search google for Muslim responses to the 9/11 attacks. You'll quickly see what a seething racist you are.
You sound like Linux does everything Windows does. It clearly doesn't. I could write a list here, but I'd be called a troll and no-one would read it anyway :)
Removing these portions will severely affect third-party developers. Now, a zoom player download is increased from a couple of megs to well over 20. Genius.
Is this the only way OSS can win? To cripple the opposition?
400 complaints to the HR department from fellow workers. He had to go. Google did a good thing here, not a bad thing. Those who think it was bad are clearly selfish, if they assume the fired guy's right to speech without reprisal was more important than those 400 peoples' right to not be pissed off.
What's with all the primadonnas on /.? Mention Windows and all their little panties get wet. "waah! waah! linux is better! waah waah!!!" pathetic.
Windows ME was a good release of Windows. Not good by today's standards, but good enough for most home users to use office and play their 3d-accelerated games.
Microsoft has made plenty of inroads about IE/browser hijacking. If you use their anti-spyware software, any hijacking attempts are stopped automatically.
Your point about not integrating things into the OS is a bit silly. If you want DOS, fine, go use DOS. If you want something that integrates more powerful software into something very useful, use Windows. As I said, IE vulnerabilities aren't a big issue at all. I use IE as my main browser (until firefox is as quick), and I've never experienced any sort of hijacking. No spyware, nothing.
And your last point is just silly. IE and OE are on the CD, they're just installed by default, as most people want a browser and email client. Oh, and you can choose not to install them if you want, so I fail to see what you're on about.
Not everything in the computer world has an alterior motive. Gates isn't scared of Jobs, as Jobs isn't scared of Gates. They both do their own things, and while their worlds are very close together, seldom overlap in any meaningful way.
If you have Windows, you're not going to be using OSX on your computer. If you have OSX, you're not going to be using Windows.
Your analogy is like asking if Ford releasing the new Focus at the same time as Pappa John's adding a new pizza to their menues is indicative of some sort of rivalry.
Your linux analogy is accurate on face value, but if you think about how both OSes achieve this updatability (Windows Update & the plethora of tools for Linux), you'll see which one most normal people want to use.
I don't mind people criticising something, just do it objectively. Complaining about Windows' update procedures when you're advocating linux is ridiculous. It doesn't matter how technologically-advanced the linux tools are, or how secure and open-standards-compliant. Your average user doesn't give a flying fart. And joking that Windows is a never-ending product, you seem to ignore the same sentiments can be applied to Linux, except that windows is on most desktops around the world, not linux. Ignoring that makes you look at worst biassed, and at best a bit naive.
Flame me down. Then your journey to the dark side will be complete. ;)
I try to do the same. I'd rather be nice than have money.
both of you?
You can do it with any telephony software, be it analogue stuff or VoIP. It's called "least cost routing", and has been done ever since variable-rate routes appeared.
Oh, and if you want to find how something's loading, just run "msconfig" - and you see all the services and apps that start with windows, and where they are started from.
THEN, you go off on one about if MS made one, it would be buggy. Well, I don't know what made you think that. Windows, graphically, is very sophisticated. I've yet to see a more cohesive, customisable GUI on any OS out there, OSX included. And I'm not like you - I try them frequently, hence me being able to comment on them.
And as for the talent of the developer, how you think you can tell if he's good or not by a very early beta release of an app is beyond me.
grow up just a little, please, that's all it takes.
Also, as this uses DirectX or OpenGL, it can use the hardware acceleration of your graphics card. I ran it on my p4 2.4 with a nvidia 5700LE (pants) card, and it ran extremely smoothly, and didn't slow my machine down at all.
I could call you a troll at this point, but I'll resist ;)
Da Vinci demonstrated his knowledge of many scientific disciplines. Bear in mind back then that the notions we have of physics, biology and chemistry were very blurred. He had mastered the aesthetic, the structure and composure of the human body, dynamics of flight, and even figured out gravity long before Newton.
If you want to believe that everything everyone's ever written in history survives today, intact, and STILL attributed to the original author, then please, be my guest. If you look hard enough, you might find that first edition Bible, autographed "To Quentin" by God, featured on the back of the dust jacket wearing his smoking gown, enjoying a cigar and a brandy with his dogs in his Devon mansion. ;)
I wouldn't be so sure - Da Vinci, the genius that he was, had thousands of pages of notes at any one time. He moved from project to project frequently, and lots of his work was lost. It is very possible that he figured out how light works, and how to construct a camera. I even saw the TV show in question, and they demonstrated the room-size camera.
so it can mean whatever you want it to, basically? :)
How is that ironic? Or did you mean conversely?
I've got a 4meg line, and I'd love to get upgraded to 8 - I know I can use that much :)
LCDs are a lot better than you'd give them credit for. Most people don't want massive hot monitors on their desks. For instance, here at work, I have 2 19" Hansol LCDs on my desk. They take up a tiny amount of space, and are very easy on the eye. Newer LCDs have 16ms timing, which means they're fine for games and video.
If you spend serious time looking at screens, you need a top of the line LCD. Even hard core gamers will tell you that LCD is just as good.
Oh, and try taking your 22" CRT to your friend's house to game with. ;)
That's not very user-friendly. Surely that adds weight to the "no" camp when asking if Linux is a good gaming platform.
You don't have to choose between Windows 98SE, 2000, or XP to play games. They all use DirectX, they all have hardware-accelerated graphics and sound.
Your argument is EXACTLY why games on Linux won't be around for a while. The moment your distro enters the "can I play a game?" equation, all bets are off.
I've said it before, and I'll say it again. Linux needs its own DirectX-style global-gaming-API before the "big guns" will start releasing Linux games en masse.