Going off grid is so expensive that the most important part of planning such a system is figuring out how to cut your energy usage way way down. That should tell you something.
By the way, I have a hybrid grid tie and battery system with about 4 days of autonomy with my normal daily usage. Even then there are 4 household items that are not on the circuit backed up with batteries: air conditioning, dishwasher, oven, and electric dryer. If I had electric heat that would be on there too. If I wanted to add these to my backed up circuit, it would dramatically increase the cost on an already very expensive system.
I don't think most people understand the scale at which batteries must improve for off grid to be viable.
Since you said you are looking at a system of your own, let me know if you have any questions. There is a lot of bullshit in this space and honestly the solar installers you talk to do not know as much as you might expect. They told me a lot of things I later determined for myself were simply not correct (and I don't think they were intentionally trying to mislead; they were just wrong).
I am pretty sure this only makes sense if hail or high winds are common in your area. Otherwise panels are pretty damn cheap compared to the total system cost, so just replace if damaged
Yes and the point is that this is not specific to Texas or any other state that separates the charges. The costs are separate costs naturally in the market and in some states combine them. But the delivery cost is still there. So giving 100% credit at the combined kWh cost for excess power is not sustainable.
The fact that you believe this is profitable shows you have no idea what you're talking about. And mentioning adding a battery to the mix shows you have never run the numbers on the cost to do this. By the way you are describing the system I have.
It is not the utility's fault solar doesn't break even. It just doesn't break even in practice at market wholesale rates. I know someone is going to reply with some math equation that assumes inverters last for 15 years without degradation, panels last for 25 years without degradation, maintenance costs are $0, costs for delivery of power during non-surplus periods are $0, temperature loss is zero, configuration error is zero, damage is zero, the panels are always completely clean, etc etc etc, but it's just absurd.
I have solar panels. I did not buy solar panels to break even. I knew at the time of purchasing that the marketing spreadsheets solar companies use to calculate your ROI are bullshit.
It has always been strange to watch people who don't have solar argue that it has a positive ROI or break even. And that's only trumped by the people who do have solar but don't actually pay attention to actual generation data and the relationship to their bill.
Earth has a ton of feedback systems. This is a bit like betting your internal temp will increase (to a meaningful degree) when you walk into a hot room. I would accept just about any bet where I win if the even doesn't happen or the feedback systems compensate, and I only lose if the event happens and the feedback systems don't compensate enough. Summary is wrong to credit being on the side of mainstream science. This is just probability.
Have you ever tried in-depth quality journalism? Not in my lifetime. Maybe you can blame the readers. Or maybe journalism lost value when it lost its methodology of removing the authors' own biases as much as possible. Why would I want to pay money to read some random author's opinion? I don't even know this person. I would, however, pay money to read investigative journalism. Journalists from the 40 years may need to google that term to know what I mean.
Apple's job isn't to enable a marketplace for entrepreneurs to build apps including facilitating in-game purchases. No, Apple's job is to watch your unsupervised kid's behavior so you aren't hurt by your unsupervised kid using your stored credit card and your enabled in-game purchases on your iPad that you gave him so you didn't have to talk to him, teach him anything, or throw a ball in the backyard.
"Ambiguous pronouns lack a clear antecedent, while vague pronouns lack an antecedent altogether. Remember that antecedent refers to the noun or pronoun that a pronoun refers to (ante meaning âoebeforeâ in Latin). In the following sentence, the pronoun is bolded: Fred visited Bob after *his* graduation.
Not just being a nazi. I had to read the title 3 times to understand it.
You are really only going to be able to observe what you call "objective value" in hypothetical contrived examples that do not exist in reality, where there are only two variables (eg, price and reliability). But taking the far leap from that to "voting against your interest" is not compelling, to say the least. In my experience this complaint comes from left leaning individuals who would rather dismiss voters as dumb or irrational.
I'm always amazed how disconnected observers can somehow determine when someone is voting or buying against their interest. Your crystal ball is much more powerful than mine. Or perhaps you don't understand that economic value is personal and subjective.
You know, before slashdot turned into a circle jerk of low level programmers complaining about how they could totally do their PHB's job a million times better than their PHB (yet strangely nobody else notices), this article would be laughed into oblivion. Hidden costs of going freelance? Could that sound more naive?
We need to stop whining about basic loan fundamentals. The current distortions in student loan business are problematic and every time some tiny incremental change in the right direction comes about, a whole host of whiners come out complaining that people who are less able to repay their loans in a timely manner would get worse payment terms. Well no shit! I'm sorry but out of all the problems in higher Ed, focusing too much on ROI when picking majors ISN'T one of them. Just ask any anthropology and women's studies double major.
Rig count is down due to low oil prices. Supply is so much greater than supply that land storage is full and traders are paying tankers to sit idle and just serve the role of sea storage. Existing wells are running at the minimum required to cover the owning company's debt payments.
Saying the oil would cost "a lot more" if ME didn't pump is a big oversimplification. It would cost more, but the biggest problem right now is major oversupply relative to demand, so the price increase is really just ending desperation liquidation pricing.
Congrats. You now have a group of people seeing your ads that wanted to not see them so bad they bought an app. I'm sure this business model will work out for you in the long run.
I don't have any idea what you are saying, honestly. In most examples you cite, the price solves the "over subscription". The problem here is that the "unlimited" plans divorce price from supply and demand. Worse, the incremental cost of every byte of bandwidth is $0, so it encourages waste.
If that's how you want to see it, mate. Your worldview is not compelling and does not appear to reflect reality. But that is okay. I am not out to convince you and I do not need the validation of having you agree with me. In fact I don't really even need my worldview to be correct in some objective sense. You have your worldview and so long as you stay in your country or your state, I could care less. And my worldview has caused me to make decisions with positive outcomes in my life. I'm not sure I can say that is evidence that I am "right", but also who gives a shit? Only you clowns have a collectivist mindset and think the only way to impact your own lives is through broad based policy prescriptions. For us, I could really care less what government does so long as I am more or less left alone.
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Making government the arbiter of compensation for externalities has its own significant negative side effects
You are mostly correct but they are not only buying the excess power. They are also buying the REC which is then sold.
Going off grid is so expensive that the most important part of planning such a system is figuring out how to cut your energy usage way way down. That should tell you something.
By the way, I have a hybrid grid tie and battery system with about 4 days of autonomy with my normal daily usage. Even then there are 4 household items that are not on the circuit backed up with batteries: air conditioning, dishwasher, oven, and electric dryer. If I had electric heat that would be on there too. If I wanted to add these to my backed up circuit, it would dramatically increase the cost on an already very expensive system.
I don't think most people understand the scale at which batteries must improve for off grid to be viable.
Since you said you are looking at a system of your own, let me know if you have any questions. There is a lot of bullshit in this space and honestly the solar installers you talk to do not know as much as you might expect. They told me a lot of things I later determined for myself were simply not correct (and I don't think they were intentionally trying to mislead; they were just wrong).
Are you suggesting it is profitable to store in batteries?
I am pretty sure this only makes sense if hail or high winds are common in your area. Otherwise panels are pretty damn cheap compared to the total system cost, so just replace if damaged
Yes and the point is that this is not specific to Texas or any other state that separates the charges. The costs are separate costs naturally in the market and in some states combine them. But the delivery cost is still there. So giving 100% credit at the combined kWh cost for excess power is not sustainable.
He is pointing out that the paper is intentionally misleading in how it uses the term subsidy.
The fact that you believe this is profitable shows you have no idea what you're talking about. And mentioning adding a battery to the mix shows you have never run the numbers on the cost to do this. By the way you are describing the system I have.
It is not the utility's fault solar doesn't break even. It just doesn't break even in practice at market wholesale rates. I know someone is going to reply with some math equation that assumes inverters last for 15 years without degradation, panels last for 25 years without degradation, maintenance costs are $0, costs for delivery of power during non-surplus periods are $0, temperature loss is zero, configuration error is zero, damage is zero, the panels are always completely clean, etc etc etc, but it's just absurd.
I have solar panels. I did not buy solar panels to break even. I knew at the time of purchasing that the marketing spreadsheets solar companies use to calculate your ROI are bullshit.
It has always been strange to watch people who don't have solar argue that it has a positive ROI or break even. And that's only trumped by the people who do have solar but don't actually pay attention to actual generation data and the relationship to their bill.
That's what he just said
Earth has a ton of feedback systems. This is a bit like betting your internal temp will increase (to a meaningful degree) when you walk into a hot room. I would accept just about any bet where I win if the even doesn't happen or the feedback systems compensate, and I only lose if the event happens and the feedback systems don't compensate enough. Summary is wrong to credit being on the side of mainstream science. This is just probability.
Have you ever tried in-depth quality journalism? Not in my lifetime. Maybe you can blame the readers. Or maybe journalism lost value when it lost its methodology of removing the authors' own biases as much as possible. Why would I want to pay money to read some random author's opinion? I don't even know this person. I would, however, pay money to read investigative journalism. Journalists from the 40 years may need to google that term to know what I mean.
Apple's job isn't to enable a marketplace for entrepreneurs to build apps including facilitating in-game purchases. No, Apple's job is to watch your unsupervised kid's behavior so you aren't hurt by your unsupervised kid using your stored credit card and your enabled in-game purchases on your iPad that you gave him so you didn't have to talk to him, teach him anything, or throw a ball in the backyard.
Who says natural selection is dead
"Ambiguous pronouns lack a clear antecedent, while vague pronouns lack an antecedent altogether. Remember that antecedent refers to the noun or pronoun that a pronoun refers to (ante meaning âoebeforeâ in Latin). In the following sentence, the pronoun is bolded: Fred visited Bob after *his* graduation.
Not just being a nazi. I had to read the title 3 times to understand it.
You are really only going to be able to observe what you call "objective value" in hypothetical contrived examples that do not exist in reality, where there are only two variables (eg, price and reliability). But taking the far leap from that to "voting against your interest" is not compelling, to say the least. In my experience this complaint comes from left leaning individuals who would rather dismiss voters as dumb or irrational.
I'm always amazed how disconnected observers can somehow determine when someone is voting or buying against their interest. Your crystal ball is much more powerful than mine. Or perhaps you don't understand that economic value is personal and subjective.
You know, before slashdot turned into a circle jerk of low level programmers complaining about how they could totally do their PHB's job a million times better than their PHB (yet strangely nobody else notices), this article would be laughed into oblivion. Hidden costs of going freelance? Could that sound more naive?
We need to stop whining about basic loan fundamentals. The current distortions in student loan business are problematic and every time some tiny incremental change in the right direction comes about, a whole host of whiners come out complaining that people who are less able to repay their loans in a timely manner would get worse payment terms. Well no shit! I'm sorry but out of all the problems in higher Ed, focusing too much on ROI when picking majors ISN'T one of them. Just ask any anthropology and women's studies double major.
Rig count is down due to low oil prices. Supply is so much greater than supply that land storage is full and traders are paying tankers to sit idle and just serve the role of sea storage. Existing wells are running at the minimum required to cover the owning company's debt payments.
Saying the oil would cost "a lot more" if ME didn't pump is a big oversimplification. It would cost more, but the biggest problem right now is major oversupply relative to demand, so the price increase is really just ending desperation liquidation pricing.
Congrats. You now have a group of people seeing your ads that wanted to not see them so bad they bought an app. I'm sure this business model will work out for you in the long run.
You do understand that you are paying for this recall if you ever buy a Tesla, right?
Ok, serious question. Is there ever a situation in your (anyone here) mind where laying off a bunch of people is the correct decision?
I don't have any idea what you are saying, honestly. In most examples you cite, the price solves the "over subscription". The problem here is that the "unlimited" plans divorce price from supply and demand. Worse, the incremental cost of every byte of bandwidth is $0, so it encourages waste.
If that's how you want to see it, mate. Your worldview is not compelling and does not appear to reflect reality. But that is okay. I am not out to convince you and I do not need the validation of having you agree with me. In fact I don't really even need my worldview to be correct in some objective sense. You have your worldview and so long as you stay in your country or your state, I could care less. And my worldview has caused me to make decisions with positive outcomes in my life. I'm not sure I can say that is evidence that I am "right", but also who gives a shit? Only you clowns have a collectivist mindset and think the only way to impact your own lives is through broad based policy prescriptions. For us, I could really care less what government does so long as I am more or less left alone.