There are hundreds of new things that you just dont see. For example, according to a video interview with one of the product managers there is a completely new network stack. That seems like a biggie!
"When did MS invent the XMLHttpRequest object?"
They came up with the original xmlhttp object in 1998 and since there was no 'stadard' it became the defacto standard that all others were writted to match. So it is fair to say that they *invented* it.
And the xmlhttprequest objects in other browsers were not based on the same interface 'to make coding easier'. They were based on it because it was the defacto standard.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xmlhttp
Jorgie
and pointed out the fact that the stuff MS is doing it actually fairly syndication agnostic. (Read: 'not just rss') They HAD to extend RSS to get the functionality they wanted that already exists the ATOM spec.
So if you are worried that they will some how *screw you* if you try to use their extensions, just use ATOM and the functionality is already there.
BTW I think the fact that their extension is being released under the same CC license as the RSS2.0 spec should earn them a little credit, but then again this is/. so I don't expect the 'regulars' to even notice.
Here is the CC info that bother the original RSS2.0 spec and the MS extensions have been released under: "Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License" http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/2.5/
Jeremy Wright just posted a comment over at
http://www.digital-web.com/news/2005/06/microsoft_ to_take_rss_five_steps_backwards/#comment1361
and pointed out the fact that the stuff MS is doing it actually fairly syndication agnostic. (Read: 'not just rss') They HAD to extend RSS to get the functionality they wanted that already exists the ATOM spec.
So if you are worried that they will some how *screw you* if you try to use their extensions, just use ATOM and the functionality is already there.
BTW I think the fact that their extension is being released under the same CC license as the RSS2.0 spec should earn them a little credit, but then again this is/. so I don't expect the 'regulars' to even notice.
Here is the CC info that bother the original RSS2.0 spec and the MS extensions have been released under:
"Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License" http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/2.5/
Jorgie
I think you mean "that computer that art f*cks use". (I used to call them "art fags" but that was too instulting to gay people.:p )
If you want to be nice, call them "people with style". I don't have any, so I stick with windows where I can run all my games. (You know that small segment of the software world that does not support the Mac very well, and yet made more than the movie industry last year...)
Man I wish people would stop using *jump the shark* like that... Happy Days had few years of good ratings AFTER Fonzie 'jumped the shark'. It was in the middle of their run, not at the end.
I would love to find the guy who started using it to mean that things were going down hill fast, or that something/someone was past their prime. The twit!
Jorgie
So many of you are missing the point. These restrictions are specifically limit who will be interested in this version of Windows. They want to limt it, that is the whole point!
1. No one is going to *get it home and find out it does not work and not be able to return it*. It is only being sold pre-installed.
2. They do not care if coporate users can't run it, it is not intended for them!
3. Yes, this WILL prevent a lot of users with newer computers from using it. That is the whole point!
4. NO, this is not MS flexing its monopoly powers. It is perfectly normal to have different products with different feature sets at different prices. You can see it in other software (Light versions, vs Pro versions etc.) and in other markets. How many different versions of a specific brand of fridge can you buy? You want more features, you pay more.
5. No, you can't drop in a new mother board and use the same copy of the os, it is licenced only on the hardware it came with.
Microsoft research has some smart people and good funding. Any technology they "share" is going to come with strings, but as long as they are being upfront about it (as it appears they are) who cares.
The SNR on slashdot has is almost as bad a usenet.
Does anyone actually have anything to say besides *microsoft = bad*?
Can someone please post a link to a forum that actually has some serious discussion on it?
It has gotten to the point that all you really need is the the/. stories and what they link to as the comments are all crap.
Microsoft updates DirectX so much because game developers and game players demand it.
Unlike OpenGL, DirectX is NOT just graphics. I provides a consistant (well, fairly) API across all supported hardware, hardware that includes sound, input devices (joystks, and other game controllers), network services and yes video cards.
To keep up the the changing features of hardware they MUST update often to keep DirectX developers from having to code to *hardware specific* extensions that are often added by hardware vendors when the API does not keep up. (Ask Nvidia or ATI much they like spending time creating hardware specific OGL extensions for features that OGL does not support. Then ask some developers how much they like coding to specific hardware.)
Many developers would love to *just switch to OGL* but once they start looking into all the issues they would have to deal with on their own most (but yes, not all) are very happy to stick with DX.
LOL, I have a vegetarian friend who buy's big-macs at McDonalds and taco salads at Taco Bell without the meat and they don't give a disount for that either.
Jorgie
The part I don't get is why this is such a big deal?
There are plenty of examples of the same *deals* in every other market..
Some simple examples:
1. fast food places often have specials that are cheaper if you get the *package*. Our local McDonalds has buy-one-get-one free pies... Guess what, if you only want one you pay the same price.
2. Coke/Pepsi distributors give big discounts to folks that that sell fountain drinks if they only sell *their* brand. (The folks I have talked to have said that they save up to 40% by only offering one or the other depending on the contract that year.)
3. Site licensed software is often sold based on the number of computers in a company, even if they will never all have the software installed. This is NORMAL business, and for large system counts, it usually works out to be MUCH cheaper then if you actually spent the time and money to track how many licenses you have. (I am sure this is how Dell/GW get Windows. They is why they put Windows with every box, they have already paid for it.)
4. When you buy a car, and you want AC, you can get a package that has the 1 thing that you really want (AIR) and you get 5 or more things you couldn't care less about, and it is the same price or cheaper then if you add AC on it's own.
5. I can buy a Direct TV sytem with receiever and dish for $69. Guess how much it is for just the receiver? Yep $69.
6. Everyone in the local schools district pays property taxes that are partially used to fund the schools. If you don't have any kids in school, you don't get a discount.
7. Go to taco bell, order a taco salad, no meat. Yep, same price even though you are buying it with out the most costly part. (Yes, I know, most of the cost of fast food is for the labor to serve it. That is the whole point.)
8. And my favorite example... Every telephone/modem I have ever purchased has come with a phone cord. Well guess what, I have a drawer full of phone cords. I don't need another one, yet I don't try and get for the phone cheaper without the cord.
It is normal economics, you buy the *package deal* and they get to save money by selling a bunch of similar packages. You want something different then most folks, you pay extra for the time it takes them to deal with exceptions.
If the linux crowd gets big enough that it is worth them offering a standard *linux package*, they will. (Dell servers are a perfect example.)
Until then, quit calling it the *Microsoft Tax* unless you are also going to refer to the *phone cord tax* when you buy a telepohone and it comes with a cord you don't need. Unless you just enjoy being overly dramatic.
I see it all the time with FF1.0.1 (with or without extensions). And when it happens, you CANT ignore it because the page is unreadable... But the fix is quick... change text size. I just hold CTRL and bounce my scroll-whell forward and back.. It has gotten to the point that I don't even think about it, it is just reflex.
Next time you are reading a/. story about bad programming, take a second and do a view source..:)
As another poster stated, both USB High-Speed (tm) and Firewire (tm) (all speeds) are faster then the mini hard-drives that folks are using so speed just is not an issue.
In this case USB2 High-Speed has a few advantages for small devices:
1. The standard USB MINI connector has power, the mini (4 wire) Firewire does not. So if you want small and don't need the extra speed or p2p nature of Firewire this is a big win.
2. USB2 is master-slave (host-client) which makes the electronics cheaper then Firewire which is peer-to-peer.
3. USB2 is everywhere these days.
Folks also need to remember that USB2 does not mean 480Mb/s.
Devices can be fully USB2.0 compliant and only support a 1.1Mb/s speed.
You must look for the 'USB 2.0 HIGH-SPEED (tm)' (yes they registered it so they could make sure it was used properly) to know that you are getting a 480Mb/s device.
Yes, it is a vulnurability, but not in the OS; It is in the way people tend to use it.
There is nothing in os (XP/2K) that forces you to run as an admin. There is a lot of third party software that requires that you are admin to use it, but there are even move that do not.
Most software written for xp only requres admin rights to install.
We have more then 1000 XP machines in our computing sites that people use all day long without being admins and we have over 200 different software programs on them!
When you create a new user in 2K Pro, they are in the User group, not the Aministrators group. Yes XP defaults to new users being admins, but it in no way forces you to do too leave them that way. Is it really so complicated to change a radio button in the wizard?
I don't see much hope for games on Linux for a few years yet which is sort of odd given Linux's marketshare as being so much greater than OS X.
I think that has more to do with the suportability of OSX vs Linux. It is much easier to support a single OS on an limited varity of hardware then it is to support the chaos that is linux... (chaos as in infinate number of combinations of linux distros and mass market hardware.)
Ouch, that reminds me of the support issues of running games on windows vs consoles...:O
True, but they are a big exception because they make a lot more money selling the toolbox then the end product. Their focus is the _engine_ not game content. (Just look at Doom3!) That is very different from the average game designer.
Jorgie
Folks need to remember that DirectX is much more then just graphics... developers get a standard API for sound (including 3d sound), input (including joysticks/pad/forcefeedback) and networking.
Jorgie
Yea, we have NEVER seen a headline that refered to just *REDHAT*/rolls-eyes
I think anything that has it own damm topic icon that gets uses 10s of times a week can be referred to pretty generically.
Jorgie
HAN SHOT FIRST!
"Unthinking hatred is no better nor worse than unthinking loyalty."
Try to sell that to the family someone who has been beaten to death because of their skin color or the church they attend.
Jorgie
Slashdot Mirror
There are hundreds of new things that you just dont see. For example, according to a video interview with one of the product managers there is a completely new network stack. That seems like a biggie!
2 de6-c31e-45d0-9361-4541d11a2062/chris_jones_2005_w indows_vista_beta1.wmv
At about 23:25 in..
http://download.microsoft.com/download/a/5/4/a544
Remember B1 is aimed at developers, not end users.
Jorgie
"When did MS invent the XMLHttpRequest object?" They came up with the original xmlhttp object in 1998 and since there was no 'stadard' it became the defacto standard that all others were writted to match. So it is fair to say that they *invented* it. And the xmlhttprequest objects in other browsers were not based on the same interface 'to make coding easier'. They were based on it because it was the defacto standard. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xmlhttp Jorgie
So after all the stink about MS adding a list tag to RSS why is there not one comment about Apples MANY additions to RSS?
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http://phobos.apple.com/static/podcast_specificat
Jorgie
ok, guess I just learned to make sure I have *text* selected...
_ to_take_rss_five_steps_backwards/#comment1361
/. so I don't expect the 'regulars' to even notice.
here it is as I actually typed it:
Jeremy Wright just posted a comment over at
http://www.digital-web.com/news/2005/06/microsoft
and pointed out the fact that the stuff MS is doing it actually fairly syndication agnostic. (Read: 'not just rss') They HAD to extend RSS to get the functionality they wanted that already exists the ATOM spec.
So if you are worried that they will some how *screw you* if you try to use their extensions, just use ATOM and the functionality is already there.
BTW I think the fact that their extension is being released under the same CC license as the RSS2.0 spec should earn them a little credit, but then again this is
Here is the CC info that bother the original RSS2.0 spec and the MS extensions have been released under:
"Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License" http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/2.5/
Jorgie
Jeremy Wright just posted a comment over at http://www.digital-web.com/news/2005/06/microsoft_ to_take_rss_five_steps_backwards/#comment1361
and pointed out the fact that the stuff MS is doing it actually fairly syndication agnostic. (Read: 'not just rss') They HAD to extend RSS to get the functionality they wanted that already exists the ATOM spec.
So if you are worried that they will some how *screw you* if you try to use their extensions, just use ATOM and the functionality is already there.
BTW I think the fact that their extension is being released under the same CC license as the RSS2.0 spec should earn them a little credit, but then again this is /. so I don't expect the 'regulars' to even notice.
Here is the CC info that bother the original RSS2.0 spec and the MS extensions have been released under:
"Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License" http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/2.5/
Jorgie
http://msdn.microsoft.com/longhorn/understanding/r ss/simplefeedextensions/
Jorgie
"that computer the really smart people use." ???
:p )
I think you mean "that computer that art f*cks use". (I used to call them "art fags" but that was too instulting to gay people.
If you want to be nice, call them "people with style". I don't have any, so I stick with windows where I can run all my games. (You know that small segment of the software world that does not support the Mac very well, and yet made more than the movie industry last year...)
Jorgie
Man I wish people would stop using *jump the shark* like that... Happy Days had few years of good ratings AFTER Fonzie 'jumped the shark'. It was in the middle of their run, not at the end. I would love to find the guy who started using it to mean that things were going down hill fast, or that something/someone was past their prime. The twit! Jorgie
Thanks for proving my point.
So many of you are missing the point. These restrictions are specifically limit who will be interested in this version of Windows. They want to limt it, that is the whole point!
1. No one is going to *get it home and find out it does not work and not be able to return it*. It is only being sold pre-installed.
2. They do not care if coporate users can't run it, it is not intended for them!
3. Yes, this WILL prevent a lot of users with newer computers from using it. That is the whole point!
4. NO, this is not MS flexing its monopoly powers. It is perfectly normal to have different products with different feature sets at different prices. You can see it in other software (Light versions, vs Pro versions etc.) and in other markets. How many different versions of a specific brand of fridge can you buy? You want more features, you pay more.
5. No, you can't drop in a new mother board and use the same copy of the os, it is licenced only on the hardware it came with.
If you don't like any of the above, run LINUX.
Jorgie
LOL... and that is exactly why I can't read comments at level 5.. I would miss some funny ones...
Microsoft research has some smart people and good funding. Any technology they "share" is going to come with strings, but as long as they are being upfront about it (as it appears they are) who cares.
/. stories and what they link to as the comments are all crap.
The SNR on slashdot has is almost as bad a usenet.
Does anyone actually have anything to say besides *microsoft = bad*?
Can someone please post a link to a forum that actually has some serious discussion on it?
It has gotten to the point that all you really need is the the
Jorgie
Microsoft updates DirectX so much because game developers and game players demand it.
Unlike OpenGL, DirectX is NOT just graphics. I provides a consistant (well, fairly) API across all supported hardware, hardware that includes sound, input devices (joystks, and other game controllers), network services and yes video cards.
To keep up the the changing features of hardware they MUST update often to keep DirectX developers from having to code to *hardware specific* extensions that are often added by hardware vendors when the API does not keep up. (Ask Nvidia or ATI much they like spending time creating hardware specific OGL extensions for features that OGL does not support. Then ask some developers how much they like coding to specific hardware.)
Many developers would love to *just switch to OGL* but once they start looking into all the issues they would have to deal with on their own most (but yes, not all) are very happy to stick with DX.
Jorgie
LOL, I have a vegetarian friend who buy's big-macs at McDonalds and taco salads at Taco Bell without the meat and they don't give a disount for that either. Jorgie
The part I don't get is why this is such a big deal?
There are plenty of examples of the same *deals* in every other market..
Some simple examples:
1. fast food places often have specials that are cheaper if you get the *package*. Our local McDonalds has buy-one-get-one free pies... Guess what, if you only want one you pay the same price.
2. Coke/Pepsi distributors give big discounts to folks that that sell fountain drinks if they only sell *their* brand. (The folks I have talked to have said that they save up to 40% by only offering one or the other depending on the contract that year.)
3. Site licensed software is often sold based on the number of computers in a company, even if they will never all have the software installed. This is NORMAL business, and for large system counts, it usually works out to be MUCH cheaper then if you actually spent the time and money to track how many licenses you have. (I am sure this is how Dell/GW get Windows. They is why they put Windows with every box, they have already paid for it.)
4. When you buy a car, and you want AC, you can get a package that has the 1 thing that you really want (AIR) and you get 5 or more things you couldn't care less about, and it is the same price or cheaper then if you add AC on it's own.
5. I can buy a Direct TV sytem with receiever and dish for $69. Guess how much it is for just the receiver? Yep $69.
6. Everyone in the local schools district pays property taxes that are partially used to fund the schools. If you don't have any kids in school, you don't get a discount.
7. Go to taco bell, order a taco salad, no meat. Yep, same price even though you are buying it with out the most costly part. (Yes, I know, most of the cost of fast food is for the labor to serve it. That is the whole point.)
8. And my favorite example... Every telephone/modem I have ever purchased has come with a phone cord. Well guess what, I have a drawer full of phone cords. I don't need another one, yet I don't try and get for the phone cheaper without the cord.
It is normal economics, you buy the *package deal* and they get to save money by selling a bunch of similar packages. You want something different then most folks, you pay extra for the time it takes them to deal with exceptions.
If the linux crowd gets big enough that it is worth them offering a standard *linux package*, they will. (Dell servers are a perfect example.)
Until then, quit calling it the *Microsoft Tax* unless you are also going to refer to the *phone cord tax* when you buy a telepohone and it comes with a cord you don't need. Unless you just enjoy being overly dramatic.
Jorgie
I see it all the time with FF1.0.1 (with or without extensions). And when it happens, you CANT ignore it because the page is unreadable... But the fix is quick... change text size. I just hold CTRL and bounce my scroll-whell forward and back.. It has gotten to the point that I don't even think about it, it is just reflex.
/. story about bad programming, take a second and do a view source.. :)
Next time you are reading a
Jorgie
As another poster stated, both USB High-Speed (tm) and Firewire (tm) (all speeds) are faster then the mini hard-drives that folks are using so speed just is not an issue.
In this case USB2 High-Speed has a few advantages for small devices:
1. The standard USB MINI connector has power, the mini (4 wire) Firewire does not. So if you want small and don't need the extra speed or p2p nature of Firewire this is a big win.
2. USB2 is master-slave (host-client) which makes the electronics cheaper then Firewire which is peer-to-peer.
3. USB2 is everywhere these days.
Folks also need to remember that USB2 does not mean 480Mb/s.
Devices can be fully USB2.0 compliant and only support a 1.1Mb/s speed.
You must look for the 'USB 2.0 HIGH-SPEED (tm)' (yes they registered it so they could make sure it was used properly) to know that you are getting a 480Mb/s device.
Jorgie
"...he "leads" the customers by following them and providing them with what they want."
Yea, cause none of us stupid max users have asked for a two button mouse out of the box or the ability to resize a windows from ANY side!
I just love having to install 4 or 5 utilities just to get base functionality that we have been asking for SINCE 6.0!
Jorgie
Yes, it is a vulnurability, but not in the OS; It is in the way people tend to use it.
There is nothing in os (XP/2K) that forces you to run as an admin. There is a lot of third party software that requires that you are admin to use it, but there are even move that do not.
Most software written for xp only requres admin rights to install.
We have more then 1000 XP machines in our computing sites that people use all day long without being admins and we have over 200 different software programs on them!
When you create a new user in 2K Pro, they are in the User group, not the Aministrators group. Yes XP defaults to new users being admins, but it in no way forces you to do too leave them that way. Is it really so complicated to change a radio button in the wizard?
Jorgie
I think that has more to do with the suportability of OSX vs Linux. It is much easier to support a single OS on an limited varity of hardware then it is to support the chaos that is linux... (chaos as in infinate number of combinations of linux distros and mass market hardware.)
Ouch, that reminds me of the support issues of running games on windows vs consoles... :O
Jorgie
True, but they are a big exception because they make a lot more money selling the toolbox then the end product. Their focus is the _engine_ not game content. (Just look at Doom3!) That is very different from the average game designer. Jorgie
Folks need to remember that DirectX is much more then just graphics... developers get a standard API for sound (including 3d sound), input (including joysticks/pad/forcefeedback) and networking. Jorgie
Yea, we have NEVER seen a headline that refered to just *REDHAT* /rolls-eyes
I think anything that has it own damm topic icon that gets uses 10s of times a week can be referred to pretty generically.
Jorgie
HAN SHOT FIRST!
Nope...
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http://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/gibib
Jorgie
"Unthinking hatred is no better nor worse than unthinking loyalty." Try to sell that to the family someone who has been beaten to death because of their skin color or the church they attend. Jorgie