Really? They have a monopoly in ARM based tablets now?
You are either a troll or ignorant of the facts.
The locked down SecureBoot settings we are talking about only apply to Windows RT on Microsoft Surface RT devices. X86 devices that have the Windows 8 logo must allow the user to turn off SafeBoot and manage the keys.
Some how they are using their monopoly power to force users to by a product in a market currently owned by iOS and Android devices? Bullshit.
There's your problem, you are calling it a computer. It's not, it's an appliance and they are careful in there marketing to say so.
Want a general purpose computer, then buy one. MS Surface RT is an internet and media appliance. You should no more expect to be able to replace the software on it than you expect to replace the software that controls your microwave or your "smart" TV.
This is just like the old TiVo argument, except without the GPL issues which means that legally you have no leg to stand on.
Speak for yourself. Where I work we have a really good relationship with Microsoft and we turn on the feedback reporting on most workstations specifically because we WANT our issues to be seen. I enable it on all my non-server systems specifically for this reason.
I work for a University and we manage about 9,000 Windows desktops, mostly Win7 at this point. We are looking to roll out Windows 8 on all new deployments beginning in January or February. All of our early-adopters have been running Win8E for months now and the only issues we have seen have been related to IE10. Most of these issues have been dealt with by using group policy to set compatibility mode for specific sites.
"What you buy for Windows RT will not just work on Windows 8."
You are both wrong and right. You cannot take the binary from your Windows RT and run it on Windows 8 BUT because the only place you can buy software for Windows RT is the Microsoft store, and one of the rules of the store is that applications that support RT also support x86 (but not the reverse AFIK), you will be able to run the same software on your Windows 8 machine, you will just have to download it.
That would be great. Let me know when you get them to support a mouse!:)
We a couple Android tablets that work for remote-desktop because they support a mouse, but to the best of my knowledge apps are not allowed to support a mouse.
The Start page is meant to contain only those applications you use regularly, the rest are on the All apps page.
The All apps page allows you to see the equivalent of Win7's 'Start Menu/All Programs' with all the folders expanded. On a single scroll-able screen no less!
You get there from the desktop in at least 4 different ways: 1 key-combo, 3 key-strokes, 3 mouse-clicks, or a pair of swipe-touch combos.
Keyboard: 1. WinKey + Q - Yes, really, the complete Stat menu/All programs in on key combination.:)
Keyboard Long-form: 1. Hit the WinKey 2. Hit WinKey + Z to open the app bar 3. Press Enter
Mouse: 1. Click in the bottom-left corner to go the Start page 2. Right-click on an empty space to bring up the app bar 3. Click 'All apps'
Touch: 1. Swipe in from the right and tap the 'Start' 2. Swipe in from the bottom and tap 'All apps'
How in the heck is that harder than old folder-based start menu? When it comes to visually finding your installed applications, Win8 is much EASIER than 7 as you can see them all on a single scroll-able page! That said, when at a keyboard, I just hit WinKey-Q.:)
Once you get your Start page customized, the apps you actually launch directly most of the time are a single click away, and _every_program_installed_on_your_system_ is clicks away.
This does not reduce the value of KMS to corporate users. The value of KMS over traditional VLA keys is the fact that it protects the specific keys that are registered to a specific corporate customer. Even if you get your hands on a KMS activated system, there is no license information on the system to copy and pass around.
I have no idea if MS has a way to deal with this, folks are not just passing around a VLA keys that would then get blocked and force the orginal owner of the key to reset the keys on all their machines.
Most people (even the ones slimy enough to pirate software) are not going to keep around a multi GB vm to they can re-activate their system every 180 days just to get a version of Vista that does not even have Media Center or Movie Maker HD.
The reality is that many hardware makers and software delvelopers will not start working on Vista versions of their drivers/software until RC1 ships. This forces MS to do RC1 early so they can leave some padding in the schedule to fix problems found by these folks when they actually start codeing.
This is a GOOD thing. More time with a locked down API before RTM means more things will be fixed before RTM and their will be less need for a rushed SP1. (Notice I said _less_ need for an SP1, not _no_need_.)
"But if you can slap on an external HD-DVD you could probably slap on an external Blu-Ray."
From what little I have read it is not that easy. Being able to read the media is only the first step in supporting the new formats.
One of the reasons MS and others are picking sides is that there is a lot of processing that has to be done *outside* the drive. Both standards include everything from specific codec requirements to DRM support. Supporting both of them in a system (360, a pc, or even a stand alone player) would be expensive.
Back in the day, slashdot had tech *news* and actual discussion; but that was LONG ago.
These days it is just dumping ground for people to rehash old news from more focused sites (that those who are interested have already read days eariler thanks to targeted rss feeds matching their specific interests) and thousands of posts doing one of the following:
1. Bashing Microsoft (no specific reason necessary) 2. Praising LINUX in general (usually threads that have nothing to do with LINUX) 3. Bashing specific flavors of LINUX (in actual LINUX related threads) 4. Praising specific flavors of LINUX (also usually threads that have nothing to do with LINUX) 5. Praising Apple for being the control freak that MS would like to be but can't because they were declared a monopoly 7. Bashing the xbox360 8. Bashing the PS3 (in Nintendo news threads) 9. Praising the PS3 (usually in xbox360 bashing theads) 10. Bashing sony for their DRM 11. Bashing other's posts over spelling/grammar (anywhere and everywhere) 12. And once in a great while actually contributing something to the discussion (hey, a SNR of 1/1000 isn't bad.. oh wait, yes it is.)
If you would do ANY research in to the WorldWind project you would find out that it was done by a single intern and he used.Net because that is what met his needs.
Why don't you give us a few links to your projects of equal scale? Jerk
1) They added one thing to RSS, the idea of ordered lists.. (AFIK there is no way in basic RSS to order items based on anything other then the date, but I could be wrong.)
2) They followed the defined rules for adding things to RSS which is designed to be extended.
3) They released thier changes under the same license that RSS was released under.
4) Unlike APPLE, they did not duplicate things that are already in RSS causing duplicate data in a valid client agnostic feed.
5) "Web Feeds" can be any current version of RSS or Atom, so they did NOT rename RSS they created an umbrella term. Unlike others, they use the RSS and ATOM terms properly and don't call all xml based feeds *RSS*.
If they are only looking for *legal* protection, why don't they just make the system ask each device for a specific *password* string. Then for the password, use a passage of previously published material that they own copyright on.
Making a device that responds with the password would be illegally copying/using a copyrighted work.
I remember someone suggested that as a SPAM prevention method where every piece of mail has to contain a copyrighted phrase or it is marked as spam.
Exactly.
"Though you won't see (most of) these until Beta 2, we have already fixed the following bugs from PositionIsEverything and Quirksmode:"
Yes they are fixed in the code tree, No 'most of' them are not in Beta 1.
Jorgie
Slashdot Mirror
". Its simply monopolistic abuse."
Really? They have a monopoly in ARM based tablets now?
You are either a troll or ignorant of the facts.
The locked down SecureBoot settings we are talking about only apply to Windows RT on Microsoft Surface RT devices. X86 devices that have the Windows 8 logo must allow the user to turn off SafeBoot and manage the keys.
Some how they are using their monopoly power to force users to by a product in a market currently owned by iOS and Android devices? Bullshit.
There's your problem, you are calling it a computer. It's not, it's an appliance and they are careful in there marketing to say so.
Want a general purpose computer, then buy one. MS Surface RT is an internet and media appliance. You should no more expect to be able to replace the software on it than you expect to replace the software that controls your microwave or your "smart" TV.
This is just like the old TiVo argument, except without the GPL issues which means that legally you have no leg to stand on.
Speak for yourself. Where I work we have a really good relationship with Microsoft and we turn on the feedback reporting on most workstations specifically because we WANT our issues to be seen. I enable it on all my non-server systems specifically for this reason.
I work for a University and we manage about 9,000 Windows desktops, mostly Win7 at this point. We are looking to roll out Windows 8 on all new deployments beginning in January or February. All of our early-adopters have been running Win8E for months now and the only issues we have seen have been related to IE10. Most of these issues have been dealt with by using group policy to set compatibility mode for specific sites.
Bullshit... and least not the picture password for the local machine.
When you are entering your picture password, you are in special trusted process that _even_with_UAC_off_ is isolated from normal user process.
However, if you are remoting into another machine, it can capture anything you draw there...
Jorgie
So you missed posted by Missing.Matter above?
Its from the Apple website back when the iPhone launched:
“iPhone uses OS X, the world’s most advanced operating system. Which means you have access to the best-ever software on a handheld device”
"What you buy for Windows RT will not just work on Windows 8."
You are both wrong and right. You cannot take the binary from your Windows RT and run it on Windows 8 BUT because the only place you can buy software for Windows RT is the Microsoft store, and one of the rules of the store is that applications that support RT also support x86 (but not the reverse AFIK), you will be able to run the same software on your Windows 8 machine, you will just have to download it.
Wow, on /. only 48 hours after is was everywhere else.. maybe /. isn't over the hill yet. /sigh
That would be great. Let me know when you get them to support a mouse! :)
We a couple Android tablets that work for remote-desktop because they support a mouse, but to the best of my knowledge apps are not allowed to support a mouse.
Jorgie
The Start page is meant to contain only those applications you use regularly, the rest are on the All apps page.
The All apps page allows you to see the equivalent of Win7's 'Start Menu/All Programs' with all the folders expanded. On a single scroll-able screen no less!
You get there from the desktop in at least 4 different ways: 1 key-combo, 3 key-strokes, 3 mouse-clicks, or a pair of swipe-touch combos.
Keyboard: :)
1. WinKey + Q - Yes, really, the complete Stat menu/All programs in on key combination.
Keyboard Long-form:
1. Hit the WinKey
2. Hit WinKey + Z to open the app bar
3. Press Enter
Mouse:
1. Click in the bottom-left corner to go the Start page
2. Right-click on an empty space to bring up the app bar
3. Click 'All apps'
Touch:
1. Swipe in from the right and tap the 'Start'
2. Swipe in from the bottom and tap 'All apps'
How in the heck is that harder than old folder-based start menu? When it comes to visually finding your installed applications, Win8 is much EASIER than 7 as you can see them all on a single scroll-able page! That said, when at a keyboard, I just hit WinKey-Q. :)
Once you get your Start page customized, the apps you actually launch directly most of the time are a single click away, and _every_program_installed_on_your_system_ is clicks away.
Jorgie
ROFL... I hope she never read the docs for the Apache config file!
MSDN's Version:. aspx
/auto switch:
http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-US/library/aa387102
My modified version that forces cscript.exe and adds an
http://b0n.us/WUA_SearchDownloadInstall.vbs
It usually takes 3 times with reboots in between to get all the patches.
It will use your WSUS settings and get the patches from a local server if you have one.
Yes, they are VBS, don't run them without reading them and understanding them!
jorgie
This does not reduce the value of KMS to corporate users. The value of KMS over traditional VLA keys is the fact that it protects the specific keys that are registered to a specific corporate customer. Even if you get your hands on a KMS activated system, there is no license information on the system to copy and pass around.
I have no idea if MS has a way to deal with this, folks are not just passing around a VLA keys that would then get blocked and force the orginal owner of the key to reset the keys on all their machines.
Most people (even the ones slimy enough to pirate software) are not going to keep around a multi GB vm to they can re-activate their system every 180 days just to get a version of Vista that does not even have Media Center or Movie Maker HD.
It means exactly what they say it means.
The reality is that many hardware makers and software delvelopers will not start working on Vista versions of their drivers/software until RC1 ships. This forces MS to do RC1 early so they can leave some padding in the schedule to fix problems found by these folks when they actually start codeing.
This is a GOOD thing. More time with a locked down API before RTM means more things will be fixed before RTM and their will be less need for a rushed SP1. (Notice I said _less_ need for an SP1, not _no_need_.)
Jorgie
"But if you can slap on an external HD-DVD you could probably slap on an external Blu-Ray."
From what little I have read it is not that easy. Being able to read the media is only the first step in supporting the new formats.
One of the reasons MS and others are picking sides is that there is a lot of processing that has to be done *outside* the drive. Both standards include everything from specific codec requirements to DRM support. Supporting both of them in a system (360, a pc, or even a stand alone player) would be expensive.
Back in the day, slashdot had tech *news* and actual discussion; but that was LONG ago.
These days it is just dumping ground for people to rehash old news from more focused sites (that those who are interested have already read days eariler thanks to targeted rss feeds matching their specific interests) and thousands of posts doing one of the following:
1. Bashing Microsoft (no specific reason necessary)
2. Praising LINUX in general (usually threads that have nothing to do with LINUX)
3. Bashing specific flavors of LINUX (in actual LINUX related threads)
4. Praising specific flavors of LINUX (also usually threads that have nothing to do with LINUX)
5. Praising Apple for being the control freak that MS would like to be but can't because they were declared a monopoly
7. Bashing the xbox360
8. Bashing the PS3 (in Nintendo news threads)
9. Praising the PS3 (usually in xbox360 bashing theads)
10. Bashing sony for their DRM
11. Bashing other's posts over spelling/grammar (anywhere and everywhere)
12. And once in a great while actually contributing something to the discussion (hey, a SNR of 1/1000 isn't bad.. oh wait, yes it is.)
Jorgie
>> Standard (everybody but IE): req = new XMLHttpRequest();
Um, since Microsoft INVENTED the fist XMLHTTP object, they could not use the "standard" method; It did not exist.
As they did it first, it was the de-facto standard that everyone else copied.
Now others have copied it, blessed it as "The Standard"(TM) and now people bitching because MS has not gone back and changed the way they do it?
That is pretty stupid.
I guess it is just like Americans telling the Brits they should *speak English*.
Jorgie
What are you smoking...
The desktops are already running windows, SAMBA allows linux servers to be used where they could not be if samba did not exist.
If the windows desktop cliens couln't access filespace on linux-servers, it would be the linux servers that went away, not the windows desktops.
Pull your head out of the sand.
Jorgie
Sorry.. STARTED by a single intern. My bad.
I would say you are the f****** idiot.
.Net because that is what met his needs.
If you would do ANY research in to the WorldWind project you would find out that it was done by a single intern and he used
Why don't you give us a few links to your projects of equal scale? Jerk
Jorgie
1) They added one thing to RSS, the idea of ordered lists.. (AFIK there is no way in basic RSS to order items based on anything other then the date, but I could be wrong.)
2) They followed the defined rules for adding things to RSS which is designed to be extended.
3) They released thier changes under the same license that RSS was released under.
4) Unlike APPLE, they did not duplicate things that are already in RSS causing duplicate data in a valid client agnostic feed.
5) "Web Feeds" can be any current version of RSS or Atom, so they did NOT rename RSS they created an umbrella term. Unlike others, they use the RSS and ATOM terms properly and don't call all xml based feeds *RSS*.
Jorgie
Yea, Vista may not ship till 2007, but many folks are using IE7b today and it support RSS & ATOM.
Jorgie
If they are only looking for *legal* protection, why don't they just make the system ask each device for a specific *password* string. Then for the password, use a passage of previously published material that they own copyright on.
Making a device that responds with the password would be illegally copying/using a copyrighted work.
I remember someone suggested that as a SPAM prevention method where every piece of mail has to contain a copyrighted phrase or it is marked as spam.
Jorgie
Exactly. "Though you won't see (most of) these until Beta 2, we have already fixed the following bugs from PositionIsEverything and Quirksmode:" Yes they are fixed in the code tree, No 'most of' them are not in Beta 1. Jorgie
Read it again... he said that most of the things on the list would not be in Beta1.
So unless you have been to the future and are testing on Beta2, you have no way of knowing what is fixed and what is not.
Jorgie