Actually I am awaiting a G-5 Ibook to run YD.. What I have seen from YD I am impressed. I am a long time RedHatter so I feel at home with YD. I really like the contribution they have made to the hell of packagemanegement with YUM, it is, IMHO, the only reason why RH9.0 users have been able to migrate their systems to Fedora without a major problem (that of RHN being unavailable).
Don't get me wrong, I like OSX and the Aqua gimmicks are cute but I am an old dog and I chew my bone on KDE...
At which point, if they do not allow for competition, they are vulnerable to Antitrust suits, I would think, though IANAL.
Who cares if "you anal"?
But.. hemm.. the issue will then be up to open source/ free software bios producers. I am not afraid of trusted computing, it will be implemented in the office and that may be a good thing, less room for users to become lusers... however as long as "open" systems are availabel for sale and devellopment, why would we bemoan the enslavement of the "user" class? It's been going on for years now..
IAMNOTANAL
LOL! You can't just *anyone* have an opinion! Gee, next thing you will be saying women should be allowed to vote... pah, as if..
well you just vented one so your point is?
The concept of self-publishing has been around since the early days of the net. The difference is that now it has become a trendy thing that non-geeks can do too. So my mom can blog about recipes using a nifty tool like movable type, my sister has an account on a blog hoster where she talks about her kids and me, well I actually don't have one.
The thing is, not only are my family people who have taken the trendy blog to deliver the promise of self-publishing, companies have seen it too. Many major companies encourage blogs and use them for what they are, low-cost self publishing systems. I personally feel this to be a good thing, I like it when people can exchange views without too much intermediaries.
For us here on/. blogging may seem to be something with a "so what" value but for people that are not as "plugged in" as we are it is a wonderfully usefull tool for communication and expression. I vote to keep the blogging around and I think we should let it's destiny, as a phenomenon and word, be determined by those who do it...
Well whatever.. the point is that in most industrialised states we have a separation of "church" and state. This means that enforcing any form of content control beyond what everyone has agreed upon in laws (controlled by a democratic process) will not be possible. The things that worry religious minorities are usually already illegal or under control of some sorts. The fact that controlling these things on the internet has not yet proved effective is no grounds to deviate from a secular, pluralistic and multicultural state. My point is (all cymicism aside) that any minority that wishes to impose it's will over the majority is inherrently antidemocratic in it's actions, and that, in itself, is in most "civilised" states a crime.
Thou shalt not hate...
This all being said, I really think that it is time for hate and antidemocratic "politics" to be put on the list of crimes against humanity. Anything less would imply a re-definition of humanity as excluding those who are not as the definers.
Pax, ut Roma orbit terra...
Not to dis our buddies across the pond but this is normal in Nato. I remember a few years back when our tank crews in their ancient Leopards whooped yankee but and considering that their was a difference in the quality of equipement analog to the difference between a 747 and a stealth bomber... well you get the picture. It happened again with our M109 and M110 artillery units, which are understaffed undertrained and have a third of the gear of their counterparts. I personally think it has to do with mind set and experiences, our forces are underfunded and exhibit coping beaviour and just simply make-do whereas a US soldier is not even allowed to change the tire on his HMV without the proper certification..
As to ELF comms, I am curious whether VLF is without risks? As to laser well we read yesterday on slashdot about that Delta Pilot....
whilst it is sad for the pilot it does sound rather silly to be whacked by a laser at 30000ft...
Of course this is serious.. is it a new weapon? is it ours? is this a test from the new missile defence program?
I hope the ntsb investigates this thouroughly to make sure what it was... either that or someone at "a contractor" should write his senator...
And if all else fails I say attack the dang Klingons!
They did din't they.. but then at the end of history of the world part 1 they promised us Hitler on Ice and Jews in Space but they never got any of it done.. must be all that high anxiety in show business, or was it Joan Rivers that got pregnant? Oh whatever, just get me to Mr. Coffee...
I would patent sex. What an empire I'd build. Plus all your kids are belong to me
Well imagine I just patented patents... better get ready to dip your hands into your pockets or keep somethin' else in them...
At the risk sounding like a MS basher, which I admint I often am, here is m 2 cts..
Most of us grew up with their products, most of us went to school using their stuff and when we went to work, we were, once again confronted with it. The fact theat many, MANY, people had a "copy" for home use only meant that they became more comfortable and competent with the products. This is how they ended up with their dominance. Now, the alternatives are cheaper, freer and, in my view, superior to the MS product so I feel no need to either buy or even copy their product. Admitedly I have not convinced my boss but at home I use something else and I feel fine. This is a threat to their system and as such they look at markets where people are starting to become computer users (and hence devellop their habits and comfort -zones- ) and hope to gain again a new generation of users. To do this a certain number of "legit" installations need to take place and I feel that the cheapXP project is to coax companies and schools to use it instead of something else so that people will take it home with them and play with it etc...
The fact that the BSA has figures to say their are millions of copies only shows you that that is the intention and not the fact. I personally don't think that 97% of Russia is running a warezXP system, I think there are old versions like 98 and NT floatong aroun d in addition to a reasonably large BSD and Debian base. It's only a matter of time before a smart Russian kid makes his own distro and makes money out of.. perhaps they could call it Red Star....
Ok, maybe a little off topic but I recently discovered another problem with flatscreens in general which, to my knowledge, cannot be solved with drivers or OS.. Namely colour calibration is a disaster. I can imagine it has to do with the chemistry involved in the monitors. Nonetheless for calibration with software like Photoshop or the GIMP (which unfortunatly has not much in color calibration currently) the flatscreens are way out of whack with ICC (Int. Color Consortitium) profiles meaning that you cannot do much in the way of photo editing and graphics work for laserjetting or even Epson inkjets..
Something to think about if you enjoy photography...
If yours were longer than mine then it would be innappropriate to discuss such matters on this forum...
But 14 days without internet can be an interesting experience. Lst year I went on two and a half weeks of vacation to the alps without a computer in sight. I was totally relaxed, actually got some decent sleep (as opposed to my usual semi-neurotic insomnia) and when I returned from vacation I was entirely revitalized, out of touch with my normal "plugged-in" world, but revitalized nonetheless.. Now I am back to semi-neurotic-insomnia.... time to get back out there...
It was no surprise, we saw it coming only now it is in the wild and again, our corporate infrastructure has to worry about stuff we didn't hire them to worry about. All of this is going to end up figuring in the total cost of operation of any windows based infrastructure. We simply can no longer deny it and the time is coming when people will have to make hard choices. Me, I am a (home) linux user since years so I fear not change. My colleagues and coworkers however see things differently and now, in this day and age of worms, viri, malware and Jpeg of death, their fears grow..
Would be funny if you did work for knoppix as it is it doesn't make money..
But seriously, spyware is currently compiled for the platform of choice which happens to be MS... if the universe woulde decide tomorrow to use *nix then there would undoubtedly be malware for *nix... I will concede that, IMHO, *nix's typically have an architechture that makes exploiting malware harder than on yer average run o' the mill windows box...
This all being said, the fact that the political arena has turned spyware into an action item just goes to show that they feel the can do something. This follows from my assumption that politics never does what is necessary or right but only what is possible.
At this point in time there is a window of opportunity for lawmakers to take action, hence they will.
If you wish to dream, feel free.. However, the fact of the matter is that is is a hostile climate and the legalese, whilst not seemingly emininent, presents a clear threat to creativity and productivity in the technology sectors.
I have yet to read this book but I bet my bottom dollar he's got some tips and tricks and pointers that could be very usefull for small software companies and free-lance devellopers/consultants. I assume that is an important audience here on/. and hence most appreciate the posting.
Books like this may help to prevent problems like SCO and more recently Mambo by making sure everyone is (more) clear on the rules of the game. We all know that leaving a store without paying for the can of beer in your hand is a no no, however in the land of Open Source it may not be so black and white to the uninitiated/uninformed and hence such publications and the resulting discussions/blogs may raise awareness. And that is,IMHO, always a good thing.
But is it a no brainer? There may be more at hand than porting data from one database to another. I can imagine that such an old system would probably be due for a whole round of automation changes and most liekly there are new use cases for the application. This would entail much more work and thinking than simply porting something like dbase to oracle or any other sql engine.
The fact that a technician forgot to reboot a mindows box only tells us what we already know, the state of aircraft control is a disaster and it ain't gettin better any time soon. Aircraft are actually tracked on little ticker tapes.. The underlying story is that moe money should be pumped into keeping the aircraft that are in the air under control and making the task more controllable for the people who do it.
Don't get me wrong, I'll bash silly billy's warez anyday of the week, I jsut think there is more to the LAX story than a product bug.
In many EU legal systems there are liability terms, if MS is capable of warning customer a and renegs on warning customer b then it is liable for damages... Product liability in software after all.. the only way out is to give the software free of charge and then it is as is. This would be the ultimate killer for OSS alternatives as many would choose free, vulnerable MS (many do already in the form of warez) over migration. This would prove the ultimate domination strategy.
HE's gotta figure out his usage profile.. compiling gentoo will do nothing for him if he needs to ldap accounts into single logon kerb5 auth netlogons.. ok!!
Those of us who started from the "old school" hard distro's understand what's under the hood, but the day has come that "clickologists" (read-mcse folks) must join the fun... They ain't geeks, don't scare em off with compiler sex.
Buddy, take one of the major vendor courses, be it SuSE/Novell, IBM or Redhat. Go with a distro that suits your companies needs, whilst I am a RedHatter since the beginning of time, I must admit that SuSE/Novell may be the ticket for a Windows-Clicker who needs Tux and needs it fast. They simply have easy to learn tools and minimal CLI config. Of course if you like CLI you can CLI all you want but I am jsut outlining your options.
Yes, install it at home, do that today, heck do it now. You will learn always more by playing with it.
Most of all, have fun!! Linux puts YOU in the driver's seat and it is back to GIGO and bye bye to BSOD!
Oh, yeah, and don't forget that any questions you will have can and will be answered for free by the community... welcome aboard buddy!
Originally posted to the source article but I added it here for our fellow dashslotters...
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Actually the devil is selling you a license for his patent on buying souls. It is very expensive and so far only bill gates has one.
What I find funny is that when millions of people download mp3s they (the industry) can track down the individuals and cease and desist them to a pulp.. when 50 or so jack-asses spam the universe and your mom, nobody seems to be able to stop them. Furthermore, people have been screaming blue murder about the lack of security features in Windows and little happens, then, when worms are rampant, spam is no longer limited to 50 individuals but lives in a worm vector all of it's own, the industry wants to shove some expensive, safe, ridiculous solution down your throat for a problem THEY created through either their own nonchalance or ineptitude.
WHAT EVER HAPPENED TO PRODUCT LIABILITY?
Yeah, closed source companies always moan about how they can offer guarantees that GPL software cannot... GUARANTEE THIS lamos!!
Yeah, you get my drift... the whole worm issue, spam and all included are in my opinion the most coercive form of marketing ever used. bill has a license from the devil and is going to shove trusted crap and dicko-encrypto mail right down YOUR throat and charge you for it up the gazoo...
Well mr Bill "hell's" Gates, read my lips: All you bases are now ours!
Thats right, server's are predominatly running OSS or *nix flavours, routers, switches, pabx', embedded devices, portables, and laptops have OSS as fastest growing development and the desktop is under fierce attack with Linux taking the point deep into enem(a)y territory! Why heck even cell phones and carrier grade systems are being ported to some form or other of OSS.
If anything, this whole sender-id initiative will bolster the will of OSS org's and devvers and drive a mass consolidation attempt the likes of which will rival the kernel development team's rally around Linus. That's right, you hear me loud and clear, the solution to mail will come from OSS and it's devver will hit the hall of fame in the same manners as that penguin lover whose code comments make us piss our pants laughing....
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Actually I am awaiting a G-5 Ibook to run YD.. What I have seen from YD I am impressed. I am a long time RedHatter so I feel at home with YD. I really like the contribution they have made to the hell of packagemanegement with YUM, it is, IMHO, the only reason why RH9.0 users have been able to migrate their systems to Fedora without a major problem (that of RHN being unavailable). Don't get me wrong, I like OSX and the Aqua gimmicks are cute but I am an old dog and I chew my bone on KDE...
At which point, if they do not allow for competition, they are vulnerable to Antitrust suits, I would think, though IANAL.
Who cares if "you anal"? But.. hemm.. the issue will then be up to open source/ free software bios producers. I am not afraid of trusted computing, it will be implemented in the office and that may be a good thing, less room for users to become lusers... however as long as "open" systems are availabel for sale and devellopment, why would we bemoan the enslavement of the "user" class? It's been going on for years now.. IAMNOTANAL
LOL! You can't just *anyone* have an opinion! Gee, next thing you will be saying women should be allowed to vote... pah, as if.. well you just vented one so your point is?
If a US citizen believes that he no longer has the right of freedom of speech I would think that constitutional action was in order.
The concept of self-publishing has been around since the early days of the net. The difference is that now it has become a trendy thing that non-geeks can do too. So my mom can blog about recipes using a nifty tool like movable type, my sister has an account on a blog hoster where she talks about her kids and me, well I actually don't have one. The thing is, not only are my family people who have taken the trendy blog to deliver the promise of self-publishing, companies have seen it too. Many major companies encourage blogs and use them for what they are, low-cost self publishing systems. I personally feel this to be a good thing, I like it when people can exchange views without too much intermediaries. For us here on /. blogging may seem to be something with a "so what" value but for people that are not as "plugged in" as we are it is a wonderfully usefull tool for communication and expression. I vote to keep the blogging around and I think we should let it's destiny, as a phenomenon and word, be determined by those who do it...
kukukuchoo... I am the eggman I am the eggman A kuka chucka...
Well whatever.. the point is that in most industrialised states we have a separation of "church" and state. This means that enforcing any form of content control beyond what everyone has agreed upon in laws (controlled by a democratic process) will not be possible. The things that worry religious minorities are usually already illegal or under control of some sorts. The fact that controlling these things on the internet has not yet proved effective is no grounds to deviate from a secular, pluralistic and multicultural state. My point is (all cymicism aside) that any minority that wishes to impose it's will over the majority is inherrently antidemocratic in it's actions, and that, in itself, is in most "civilised" states a crime. Thou shalt not hate... This all being said, I really think that it is time for hate and antidemocratic "politics" to be put on the list of crimes against humanity. Anything less would imply a re-definition of humanity as excluding those who are not as the definers. Pax, ut Roma orbit terra ...
Not to dis our buddies across the pond but this is normal in Nato. I remember a few years back when our tank crews in their ancient Leopards whooped yankee but and considering that their was a difference in the quality of equipement analog to the difference between a 747 and a stealth bomber... well you get the picture. It happened again with our M109 and M110 artillery units, which are understaffed undertrained and have a third of the gear of their counterparts. I personally think it has to do with mind set and experiences, our forces are underfunded and exhibit coping beaviour and just simply make-do whereas a US soldier is not even allowed to change the tire on his HMV without the proper certification.. As to ELF comms, I am curious whether VLF is without risks? As to laser well we read yesterday on slashdot about that Delta Pilot....
whilst it is sad for the pilot it does sound rather silly to be whacked by a laser at 30000ft... Of course this is serious.. is it a new weapon? is it ours? is this a test from the new missile defence program? I hope the ntsb investigates this thouroughly to make sure what it was... either that or someone at "a contractor" should write his senator... And if all else fails I say attack the dang Klingons!
They did din't they.. but then at the end of history of the world part 1 they promised us Hitler on Ice and Jews in Space but they never got any of it done.. must be all that high anxiety in show business, or was it Joan Rivers that got pregnant? Oh whatever, just get me to Mr. Coffee...
I would patent sex. What an empire I'd build. Plus all your kids are belong to me Well imagine I just patented patents... better get ready to dip your hands into your pockets or keep somethin' else in them...
At the risk sounding like a MS basher, which I admint I often am, here is m 2 cts.. Most of us grew up with their products, most of us went to school using their stuff and when we went to work, we were, once again confronted with it. The fact theat many, MANY, people had a "copy" for home use only meant that they became more comfortable and competent with the products. This is how they ended up with their dominance. Now, the alternatives are cheaper, freer and, in my view, superior to the MS product so I feel no need to either buy or even copy their product. Admitedly I have not convinced my boss but at home I use something else and I feel fine. This is a threat to their system and as such they look at markets where people are starting to become computer users (and hence devellop their habits and comfort -zones- ) and hope to gain again a new generation of users. To do this a certain number of "legit" installations need to take place and I feel that the cheapXP project is to coax companies and schools to use it instead of something else so that people will take it home with them and play with it etc... The fact that the BSA has figures to say their are millions of copies only shows you that that is the intention and not the fact. I personally don't think that 97% of Russia is running a warezXP system, I think there are old versions like 98 and NT floatong aroun d in addition to a reasonably large BSD and Debian base. It's only a matter of time before a smart Russian kid makes his own distro and makes money out of .. perhaps they could call it Red Star....
Ok, maybe a little off topic but I recently discovered another problem with flatscreens in general which, to my knowledge, cannot be solved with drivers or OS.. Namely colour calibration is a disaster. I can imagine it has to do with the chemistry involved in the monitors. Nonetheless for calibration with software like Photoshop or the GIMP (which unfortunatly has not much in color calibration currently) the flatscreens are way out of whack with ICC (Int. Color Consortitium) profiles meaning that you cannot do much in the way of photo editing and graphics work for laserjetting or even Epson inkjets.. Something to think about if you enjoy photography...
gee.. thanks for all the fish..
If yours were longer than mine then it would be innappropriate to discuss such matters on this forum...
But 14 days without internet can be an interesting experience. Lst year I went on two and a half weeks of vacation to the alps without a computer in sight. I was totally relaxed, actually got some decent sleep (as opposed to my usual semi-neurotic insomnia) and when I returned from vacation I was entirely revitalized, out of touch with my normal "plugged-in" world, but revitalized nonetheless.. Now I am back to semi-neurotic-insomnia.... time to get back out there...
It was no surprise, we saw it coming only now it is in the wild and again, our corporate infrastructure has to worry about stuff we didn't hire them to worry about. All of this is going to end up figuring in the total cost of operation of any windows based infrastructure. We simply can no longer deny it and the time is coming when people will have to make hard choices. Me, I am a (home) linux user since years so I fear not change. My colleagues and coworkers however see things differently and now, in this day and age of worms, viri, malware and Jpeg of death, their fears grow..
Would be funny if you did work for knoppix as it is it doesn't make money.. But seriously, spyware is currently compiled for the platform of choice which happens to be MS... if the universe woulde decide tomorrow to use *nix then there would undoubtedly be malware for *nix... I will concede that, IMHO, *nix's typically have an architechture that makes exploiting malware harder than on yer average run o' the mill windows box... This all being said, the fact that the political arena has turned spyware into an action item just goes to show that they feel the can do something. This follows from my assumption that politics never does what is necessary or right but only what is possible. At this point in time there is a window of opportunity for lawmakers to take action, hence they will.
If you wish to dream, feel free.. However, the fact of the matter is that is is a hostile climate and the legalese, whilst not seemingly emininent, presents a clear threat to creativity and productivity in the technology sectors. I have yet to read this book but I bet my bottom dollar he's got some tips and tricks and pointers that could be very usefull for small software companies and free-lance devellopers/consultants. I assume that is an important audience here on /. and hence most appreciate the posting.
Books like this may help to prevent problems like SCO and more recently Mambo by making sure everyone is (more) clear on the rules of the game. We all know that leaving a store without paying for the can of beer in your hand is a no no, however in the land of Open Source it may not be so black and white to the uninitiated/uninformed and hence such publications and the resulting discussions/blogs may raise awareness. And that is ,IMHO, always a good thing.
But is it a no brainer? There may be more at hand than porting data from one database to another. I can imagine that such an old system would probably be due for a whole round of automation changes and most liekly there are new use cases for the application. This would entail much more work and thinking than simply porting something like dbase to oracle or any other sql engine.
The fact that a technician forgot to reboot a mindows box only tells us what we already know, the state of aircraft control is a disaster and it ain't gettin better any time soon. Aircraft are actually tracked on little ticker tapes.. The underlying story is that moe money should be pumped into keeping the aircraft that are in the air under control and making the task more controllable for the people who do it.
Don't get me wrong, I'll bash silly billy's warez anyday of the week, I jsut think there is more to the LAX story than a product bug.
I have Visual fucking Studio sessions that have been running for far, far longer than two days. Can we watch?
Don't troll about Mr. Kildall, he was a great man and you all have much to thank him for. Your post sucks ass and so do you.
In many EU legal systems there are liability terms, if MS is capable of warning customer a and renegs on warning customer b then it is liable for damages...
Product liability in software after all.. the only way out is to give the software free of charge and then it is as is. This would be the ultimate killer for OSS alternatives as many would choose free, vulnerable MS (many do already in the form of warez) over migration. This would prove the ultimate domination strategy.
HE's gotta figure out his usage profile.. compiling gentoo will do nothing for him if he needs to ldap accounts into single logon kerb5 auth netlogons.. ok!!
Those of us who started from the "old school" hard distro's understand what's under the hood, but the day has come that "clickologists" (read-mcse folks) must join the fun... They ain't geeks, don't scare em off with compiler sex.
Buddy, take one of the major vendor courses, be it SuSE/Novell, IBM or Redhat. Go with a distro that suits your companies needs, whilst I am a RedHatter since the beginning of time, I must admit that SuSE/Novell may be the ticket for a Windows-Clicker who needs Tux and needs it fast. They simply have easy to learn tools and minimal CLI config. Of course if you like CLI you can CLI all you want but I am jsut outlining your options.
Yes, install it at home, do that today, heck do it now. You will learn always more by playing with it.
Most of all, have fun!! Linux puts YOU in the driver's seat and it is back to GIGO and bye bye to BSOD!
Oh, yeah, and don't forget that any questions you will have can and will be answered for free by the community... welcome aboard buddy!
Yeah, the whole movie is a bloody farce, why George Bush ain't even president!!
Originally posted to the source article but I added it here for our fellow dashslotters...
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Actually the devil is selling you a license for his patent on buying souls. It is very expensive and so far only bill gates has one.
What I find funny is that when millions of people download mp3s they (the industry) can track down the individuals and cease and desist them to a pulp.. when 50 or so jack-asses spam the universe and your mom, nobody seems to be able to stop them. Furthermore, people have been screaming blue murder about the lack of security features in Windows and little happens, then, when worms are rampant, spam is no longer limited to 50 individuals but lives in a worm vector all of it's own, the industry wants to shove some expensive, safe, ridiculous solution down your throat for a problem THEY created through either their own nonchalance or ineptitude.
WHAT EVER HAPPENED TO PRODUCT LIABILITY?
Yeah, closed source companies always moan about how they can offer guarantees that GPL software cannot... GUARANTEE THIS lamos!!
Yeah, you get my drift... the whole worm issue, spam and all included are in my opinion the most coercive form of marketing ever used. bill has a license from the devil and is going to shove trusted crap and dicko-encrypto mail right down YOUR throat and charge you for it up the gazoo...
Well mr Bill "hell's" Gates, read my lips:
All you bases are now ours!
Thats right, server's are predominatly running OSS or *nix flavours, routers, switches, pabx', embedded devices, portables, and laptops have OSS as fastest growing development and the desktop is under fierce attack with Linux taking the point deep into enem(a)y territory! Why heck even cell phones and carrier grade systems are being ported to some form or other of OSS.
If anything, this whole sender-id initiative will bolster the will of OSS org's and devvers and drive a mass consolidation attempt the likes of which will rival the kernel development team's rally around Linus. That's right, you hear me loud and clear, the solution to mail will come from OSS and it's devver will hit the hall of fame in the same manners as that penguin lover whose code comments make us piss our pants laughing....