Do you have any statistics on number of people killed, kidnapped, women (and girls), children orphaned, regular police (eg: traffic cops), lawyers, judges, govenment official (like clerk in salaries offices), innocent bystanders, extortion, pargetted killing on non-muslims, migration of Hindus because of these "freedom fighters"??
Now, I know why they spend so much time with propaganda. Morons like you eat whatever is served.
1. Only Islamic Kashmiris do not associate themselves with India. Many Muslim do. Also Hindu and Bhuddist (and they are minority) do.
2. Government spend a huge amount in form of infrastructure, industry, grants, development schemes in that state.
3. The indian state of Jammu & Kashmir has three big regions. Kashmir is only 1/3rd of the state and gets the BIGGEST chunk of the grants. The state has had no to minimla income since the terror found home. It is indian tax payers who are helping the state sustain itself.
Please don't read Times of India... some call it Toilet Paper of India and others Tabloid of India. Try http://www.sulekha.com/hopper.asp... you will get good collection of news in English
Which also means how people can see what they want to see and let perception run amok with facts! You want to call those people stupid/superstitious and apparent you need just a hair breath to prove your point! you alias says all about you!
Apparently, everywhere besides US, people enjoy that "dance crap". That is why it may not outshine Hollywood in US, but elsewhere it may. Already the Mumbai Film Industry is outshining Hollywood in Africa and Asia.
> Democracy? Sonia Gandhi got elected, pressure
> groups forced her out and replaced her with their
> un-elected leader. That's no democracy.
In India Political Prty is elected into power and NOT a person. So,
one: Sonia Gandhi did not get elected. Her party did not even get simple majority
two: all through the campaign it was hinted that Manmonhan Singh will be the Premier. He is highly respected economist who had a major role in Indian economy's revival.
three: she was all ready to be the PM till she went to meet President (who actually is a rocket scientist) and suddenly changed her mind. since then, there are many theories on what happened. incluing pressure group one and her foreign origin one and her running away from India in 74 war and her refusal to be indian citizen for 15 odd years and her being a aent of pope to her being the most scrificing lady ever to come out of india. pick your fav one!
What many people do not realise is that there is a huge secondary market such electronics goods in India.
When my cousin discarded a Pentium based PC, he sold it to a STD PCO (Phone booth kiosk that typically allows you to make internation, national, local calls, make photocopies, take print out, a mini-kinkos) for mere INR 3000.
That happens to cellular phones too. Since many people upgrade often, this leads to an amazing affordability of such equipment.
If we look at it that way, we all come from Somalia. I agree Indians are very diverse. She started off with Invasion theory and then came down to Tickle down theory. But as you say, too much diversity says there was lot of 'in' traffic of people. So all the 'aryan v/s dravidian' race conflict that is being played on is not valid.
Why is he a token muslim? Or he does not follow islamic rehtoric? or becasue he was elected because the 'secular' congress party (one that is now head by sonia) did not support the first candidate of 'hindu nationaists' becasue he was a chtistian and she saw a risk that is president is christian then people will not want PM to be one too? inspite of fact that anthony was from congress too?
They rose to national power largely on feelings risen by anti-Muslim riots & the destruction of an ancient mosque, and many of the worst criminals rose to positions of power.
yes, like the lallo yadav and mulayam sigh have been saints now that 'saintly' congress needs their support?
India has a large Muslim minority, so the eccentric-scientist-Muslim was given the powerless position of President,
if you have been in India you will know the influence this person has been. his books on future vision of india have been best sellers.
It's vaguely equivalent to allowing one black guy who doesn't play golf into an all-white country club.
They are Zoroastrians who have lived in India for centuries, but whose ancestors came from Persia (present-day Iran).
Who fled to India when Islam took over Persia.
If you care about that, the Vedic Aryans from whom today's Indians are descended, too, came from the Caspian Sea region near present-day Iran, a couple of millenia earlier.
This is part of the Aryan myth. See me earlier post on this issue. There are no proofs of this as such.
(am sick and tired of hearing that btw; maybe we should throw out all the f*cking Brahmins out of India, after all, aren't they also Aryan foreigners who came in from Central Asia?)
You, my friend are victim of the Aryan Invasion Propaganda that was initiated by European to divide Hindus. The Brahmins are not 'one people' but are as diverse and are form rest of the 'races'.
In fact, one of the most vocal supporter of this theory, Romila Thapar (she is a leading Indian historian) now also conceeds that the Aryan theory was crap.
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Let us debate Kashmir. Does it occur to you, that _you_ could also be victim of propaganda! Let us cleanup each others "prejudices"
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/4340497.stm
My bad ... read Islamist (generally used to refer to extreme of the muslims)
Do you have any statistics on number of people killed, kidnapped, women (and girls), children orphaned, regular police (eg: traffic cops), lawyers, judges, govenment official (like clerk in salaries offices), innocent bystanders, extortion, pargetted killing on non-muslims, migration of Hindus because of these "freedom fighters"??
1. Only Islamic Kashmiris do not associate themselves with India. Many Muslim do. Also Hindu and Bhuddist (and they are minority) do.
2. Government spend a huge amount in form of infrastructure, industry, grants, development schemes in that state.
3. The indian state of Jammu & Kashmir has three big regions. Kashmir is only 1/3rd of the state and gets the BIGGEST chunk of the grants. The state has had no to minimla income since the terror found home. It is indian tax payers who are helping the state sustain itself.
http://planningcommission.nic.in/popup/jk.htm
http://indiabudget.nic.in/
Spend some time at these websites to understand the topic you claim to be expert on!
till rcently the only unix host vxworks developers could use was solaris!
not all systems have non-technical operators!
nobody in india expects good journalism from ToI ... there news starts and ens in headlines ...
http://tabloidofindia.blogspot.com/
What about that?
Please don't read Times of India ... some call it Toilet Paper of India and others Tabloid of India. Try http://www.sulekha.com/hopper.asp ... you will get good collection of news in English
Which also means how people can see what they want to see and let perception run amok with facts! You want to call those people stupid/superstitious and apparent you need just a hair breath to prove your point! you alias says all about you!
Apparently, everywhere besides US, people enjoy that "dance crap". That is why it may not outshine Hollywood in US, but elsewhere it may. Already the Mumbai Film Industry is outshining Hollywood in Africa and Asia.
Where did you get this!!??
How about moon?
> Democracy? Sonia Gandhi got elected, pressure > groups forced her out and replaced her with their > un-elected leader. That's no democracy. In India Political Prty is elected into power and NOT a person. So, one: Sonia Gandhi did not get elected. Her party did not even get simple majority two: all through the campaign it was hinted that Manmonhan Singh will be the Premier. He is highly respected economist who had a major role in Indian economy's revival. three: she was all ready to be the PM till she went to meet President (who actually is a rocket scientist) and suddenly changed her mind. since then, there are many theories on what happened. incluing pressure group one and her foreign origin one and her running away from India in 74 war and her refusal to be indian citizen for 15 odd years and her being a aent of pope to her being the most scrificing lady ever to come out of india. pick your fav one!
Or moon
fpvvvvvvv
What many people do not realise is that there is a huge secondary market such electronics goods in India. When my cousin discarded a Pentium based PC, he sold it to a STD PCO (Phone booth kiosk that typically allows you to make internation, national, local calls, make photocopies, take print out, a mini-kinkos) for mere INR 3000. That happens to cellular phones too. Since many people upgrade often, this leads to an amazing affordability of such equipment.
Experiments conducted ... have shown that semi-literate poor children can quickly teach themselves the rudiments of computers and Internet.
Exactly my point. He is not there to keep up appearances. He is a damn useful and intelligent guy to be at that position. And that is why he is there.
If we look at it that way, we all come from Somalia. I agree Indians are very diverse. She started off with Invasion theory and then came down to Tickle down theory. But as you say, too much diversity says there was lot of 'in' traffic of people. So all the 'aryan v/s dravidian' race conflict that is being played on is not valid.
Why is he a token muslim? Or he does not follow islamic rehtoric? or becasue he was elected because the 'secular' congress party (one that is now head by sonia) did not support the first candidate of 'hindu nationaists' becasue he was a chtistian and she saw a risk that is president is christian then people will not want PM to be one too? inspite of fact that anthony was from congress too?
They rose to national power largely on feelings risen by anti-Muslim riots & the destruction of an ancient mosque, and many of the worst criminals rose to positions of power.
yes, like the lallo yadav and mulayam sigh have been saints now that 'saintly' congress needs their support?
India has a large Muslim minority, so the eccentric-scientist-Muslim was given the powerless position of President,
if you have been in India you will know the influence this person has been. his books on future vision of india have been best sellers.
It's vaguely equivalent to allowing one black guy who doesn't play golf into an all-white country club.
mind you language and i pity your ignorance!
Who fled to India when Islam took over Persia.
If you care about that, the Vedic Aryans from whom today's Indians are descended, too, came from the Caspian Sea region near present-day Iran, a couple of millenia earlier.
This is part of the Aryan myth. See me earlier post on this issue. There are no proofs of this as such.
You, my friend are victim of the Aryan Invasion Propaganda that was initiated by European to divide Hindus. The Brahmins are not 'one people' but are as diverse and are form rest of the 'races'.
In fact, one of the most vocal supporter of this theory, Romila Thapar (she is a leading Indian historian) now also conceeds that the Aryan theory was crap.
Redefining secularism
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