Wow. I must say I *never* thought I would hear (or read especially, since it would leave evidence) of someone looking longingly at working with Informix-4GL.
Not to dismaiss anything you wrote..... (really I do agree) but....
> but that is an extremely original group of characters
I suppose if your experience with science fiction has been centered around movies and the tube, it is extremely original. Hell, even if you don't limit it to science fiction.
> isn't society as a whole better of if it was made sure this hate-speech reaches as few people as possible?
Or is society better off to hear (and I'm probably stretching a bit here) and understand the total absurdity of what is being said? By the scenerio you are suggesting, if I were to write and put up a piece which suggested something like 'we should eat the poor', it should be banned, correct?
(yeah, I choose the above subject on purpose. Sadly, the motive wasn't so much to refer to a piece of literature, but to avoid thoughtpoliceisms).
You know, I put off reading the book for almost 20 years because I figured I would end up hating the movie. Turns out, it made me appreciate the movie more (except the neon Atari thingee, it was always was pretty silly. Funny, the Coke ad seemed just right, though).
What may even be more significant is at about the time I was reading this book, a coworker and I had been formulating the notion of how it is damn near impossible to make the print to movie transition on anything larger than a short story. This pretty much put an end to such an idea. At least, with the right material and people.
> while [ TRUE ] ; do sleep 1; grep..blah blah.. ; done
Ah, but the examples shows the innovation, no? See there is no way to perform 'while' 'do' 'grep' or 'done' in their world (without some third party add-on, which would not be "their world"). On the other hand, I have noticed quite a bit of 'blah blah' over the last 20 years....... So, maybe it really isn't anything new after all.
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20 years, eh? Seems like 20 years ago, most every dumb terminal I used had a 'Help' key. And it has probably been nearly 5 years since sitting at a Sun console, but I seem to recall a help key there, too.
Now, in the over 20 years, I have never expected pressing this key would actually provide anything resembling help, but the key has been around.
Oh, and this gets an "Insightful"??? and scored 4???
Oh come on. I had this one figured out in what? 11th grade. Turned in an American History term paper with a footnote which read:
14. If you read this, check this box: [ ] and you will recieve a beverage (malt or otherwise) of your choice.
Needless to say, the box was not checked, and as the paper had been filled with sufficient BS to make it sail down the hall to the A pile [1], I recieved an A on said paper. On the other hand, since I wasn't on the basketball team, I only recieved a B for the class.
[1] time honored method for grading papers: Mark out the hall with sections for A, B, C, D, and E with A being farthest away, E being closest. Throw the papers down the hall (option: either all at once or individually). The ones which travel the farthest are A's, those closest recieve E's.
Rather limited knowledge of history there, bucko. Yeah, I recall riding my bike over to a friends house to play a poorly photo-copied new thing called D&D at the end of the summer of '74. Thing is, this and several other friends and I, had been getting together for 2 years previous to play stuff from the likes of SPI and Avalon Hill (if memory serves, Outdoor survival was recommended in the original little brown books). And we certainly didn't consider this groundbreaking as many of us had learned these from older brothers (my brother taught me chess 6 years earlier and gave me a copy of Luftwaffe 2 chrismases earlier)
I won't (and can't) speak for those other nerds (many I knew from math class), but those rules didn't seem particularly geeky. Something along the lines of "Unit Orginizations of the Hyberboria Era", now, that was geeky (side note, I really don't remember the actual title, but it comes close). I suppose if you're looking for one thing to point at, it might be those little brown books, but having been alive and involved with 'geek hobbies' at the time, 'flagship' it ain't......
Just as a FWIW....
Yes, IBM was the 800 lb gorilla. No argueing their actions have been quite despicable. Sadly, I'm old enough to remember many of these antics. However, even at their worst, their service was exemplary
> I have been working with, for, and around small companies (25 employees) for years and almost all of them are running some flavor of windows/windows server because....
With the exception of 2 multi-national phb-fests, I have done the same. Oddly enough my experience has been the opposite. Just to be fair, my current gig consists of 2 employees: me and another guy who has a clue, I guess.
> Bob from accounting knows about computers and knows how to fix issues if they come up.
Yes, and you end up with 'fixes' appropriate to 'Bob from accountaing.' I can recall one of these 'experts' rebooting our ftp server because 'it wasn't responding' and it's how he 'fixes' his computer. Then again, after watching fsck do it's work, 'expert' realized the network cable wasn't plugged in.....
> These companies do not have the budget for a full time system administrator
Again, my experience has been the opposite. And also again, to be fair, it hasn't always been full time sysadmin, but at least a primary individual responsible for these duties. Contrasting our 2 expereinces, maybe I've just had better luck finding organizations who realize they 'get what they pay for.'
Nice. But the problem with you 'mickey d' analogy (and this is from personal experience) is I don't want the crap in the combo meal. burger. shake. Still less then the Super-Deluxe-Hamburger-With-Large-Fries-And-A-Larg e-Soft-Drink-Combo-Meal for $3.99.
And, I just noticed..... Taking your GiantCableConglomerant example, let's say there are less than 25 channels I or you are even interested in (been awhile for myself, but I would be hard pressed come up with 5 actually). In the first scenerio, given previous experience, you or I would be looking at package C for $39.95. In the second scenerio, we're looking at $35.95. Not even considering the possibility of a 'pick 5 channels for $XX.XX', looks like it would be cheaper.
And this is longer than anything I wanted to post on the subject. Maybe it will teach me to preview......
> a modern OS requires an internet browser and a video player.
You bet. When I start the first pot of coffee, and grab the cream from the fridge in the morning, the first thing which comes to mind is how great it would be if only I could watch a video or surf the web on these appliances.
Some years ago I worked with a group of people who came out of Cray Research (yeah, yeah, I know, I saw the earlier post). Seems one day a manager pulls all the hard drive vendors into a big meeting and tells them "they needed to slow down with all these big drives [1] its impossible to keep the inventory lists up to date."
[1] Not sure, but I'm guessing these would be on the order of 100s of megabytes......
> Yes, let's instead listen to the unbiased people at Debian, Mandrake, Red Hat, and SUSE. Surely their opinions on this issue are less biased than those of the research company.
And are these companies hiding this bias? The is no question what their agenda is (well, I suppose if one was an utter moron and didn't realize what each of these have in common). And, is the research ([sic]) company claiming to be unbiased? If I'm not mistaken, they claim to have done an independent investigation. Yet, I'm sure there is a few posts above here pointing out they are ready, willing and quite capable of producing exactly the results you pay for (and a post or two about who actually paid for these particular results).
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> adding a sendmail rule to deliver mail for jrluser@psigib.com to jrluser@bigisp.com.
Only problem is his real email is resulrj@bigisp.com....
Wow. I must say I *never* thought I would hear (or read especially, since it would leave evidence) of someone looking longingly at working with Informix-4GL.
Not to dismaiss anything you wrote..... (really I do agree) but....
> but that is an extremely original group of characters
I suppose if your experience with science fiction has been centered around movies and the tube, it is extremely original. Hell, even if you don't limit it to science fiction.
My vote goes to
4) It is taking so long for comdex (and trade shows, in general) to die.
...I've ever known agrees with the notion of 'any landing you walk away from, is a good one.'
To paraphrase someone else:
"If you gotta' ask, you ain't never gonna' know"
> isn't society as a whole better of if it was made sure this hate-speech reaches as few people as possible?
Or is society better off to hear (and I'm probably stretching a bit here) and understand the total absurdity of what is being said? By the scenerio you are suggesting, if I were to write and put up a piece which suggested something like 'we should eat the poor', it should be banned, correct?
(yeah, I choose the above subject on purpose. Sadly, the motive wasn't so much to refer to a piece of literature, but to avoid thoughtpoliceisms).
You know, I put off reading the book for almost 20 years because I figured I would end up hating the movie. Turns out, it made me appreciate the movie more (except the neon Atari thingee, it was always was pretty silly. Funny, the Coke ad seemed just right, though).
What may even be more significant is at about the time I was reading this book, a coworker and I had been formulating the notion of how it is damn near impossible to make the print to movie transition on anything larger than a short story. This pretty much put an end to such an idea. At least, with the right material and people.
To quote someone paraphrasing YASTVA (Yet, Another Stupid TV Ad):
"Did you every bounce a check while sitting on the toilet? You will."
> while [ TRUE ] ; do sleep 1; grep ..blah blah.. ; done
Ah, but the examples shows the innovation, no? See there is no way to perform 'while' 'do' 'grep' or 'done' in their world (without some third party add-on, which would not be "their world"). On the other hand, I have noticed quite a bit of 'blah blah' over the last 20 years....... So, maybe it really isn't anything new after all.
20 years, eh? Seems like 20 years ago, most every dumb terminal I used had a 'Help' key. And it has probably been nearly 5 years since sitting at a Sun console, but I seem to recall a help key there, too.
Now, in the over 20 years, I have never expected pressing this key would actually provide anything resembling help, but the key has been around.
Oh, and this gets an "Insightful"??? and scored 4???
yeah, yeah. Then again, there is also malicious incompetence.
> On the other hand, my friends and I think it works better as "skow," rhymes with "now."
Yes, and it is what is used to haul garbage. But taking a cue from TeeVee, they should be hauled off as garbage.
> how would SCO prove that they didn't do it?
Oh come on. I had this one figured out in what? 11th grade. Turned in an American History term paper with a footnote which read:
14. If you read this, check this box: [ ] and you will recieve a beverage (malt or otherwise) of your choice.
Needless to say, the box was not checked, and as the paper had been filled with sufficient BS to make it sail down the hall to the A pile [1], I recieved an A on said paper. On the other hand, since I wasn't on the basketball team, I only recieved a B for the class.
[1] time honored method for grading papers: Mark out the hall with sections for A, B, C, D, and E with A being farthest away, E being closest. Throw the papers down the hall (option: either all at once or individually). The ones which travel the farthest are A's, those closest recieve E's.
Yeah, you know, after "the germans bombed pearl harbor"......
> Not having used SCO Unix for seven years isn't really an obscure point, is it?
No. However, it seems to me, it is an *obvious* point.
> Ah, D&D -- the flagship of geek hobbies.
Rather limited knowledge of history there, bucko. Yeah, I recall riding my bike over to a friends house to play a poorly photo-copied new thing called D&D at the end of the summer of '74. Thing is, this and several other friends and I, had been getting together for 2 years previous to play stuff from the likes of SPI and Avalon Hill (if memory serves, Outdoor survival was recommended in the original little brown books). And we certainly didn't consider this groundbreaking as many of us had learned these from older brothers (my brother taught me chess 6 years earlier and gave me a copy of Luftwaffe 2 chrismases earlier)
I won't (and can't) speak for those other nerds (many I knew from math class), but those rules didn't seem particularly geeky. Something along the lines of "Unit Orginizations of the Hyberboria Era", now, that was geeky (side note, I really don't remember the actual title, but it comes close). I suppose if you're looking for one thing to point at, it might be those little brown books, but having been alive and involved with 'geek hobbies' at the time, 'flagship' it ain't......
Just as a FWIW.... Yes, IBM was the 800 lb gorilla. No argueing their actions have been quite despicable. Sadly, I'm old enough to remember many of these antics. However, even at their worst, their service was exemplary
> I have been working with, for, and around small companies (25 employees) for years and almost all of them are running some flavor of windows/windows server because ....
With the exception of 2 multi-national phb-fests, I have done the same. Oddly enough my experience has been the opposite. Just to be fair, my current gig consists of 2 employees: me and another guy who has a clue, I guess.
> Bob from accounting knows about computers and knows how to fix issues if they come up.
Yes, and you end up with 'fixes' appropriate to 'Bob from accountaing.' I can recall one of these 'experts' rebooting our ftp server because 'it wasn't responding' and it's how he 'fixes' his computer. Then again, after watching fsck do it's work, 'expert' realized the network cable wasn't plugged in.....
> These companies do not have the budget for a full time system administrator
Again, my experience has been the opposite. And also again, to be fair, it hasn't always been full time sysadmin, but at least a primary individual responsible for these duties. Contrasting our 2 expereinces, maybe I've just had better luck finding organizations who realize they 'get what they pay for.'
Nice. But the problem with you 'mickey d' analogy (and this is from personal experience) is I don't want the crap in the combo meal. burger. shake. Still less then the Super-Deluxe-Hamburger-With-Large-Fries-And-A-Larg e-Soft-Drink-Combo-Meal for $3.99.
And, I just noticed..... Taking your GiantCableConglomerant example, let's say there are less than 25 channels I or you are even interested in (been awhile for myself, but I would be hard pressed come up with 5 actually). In the first scenerio, given previous experience, you or I would be looking at package C for $39.95. In the second scenerio, we're looking at $35.95. Not even considering the possibility of a 'pick 5 channels for $XX.XX', looks like it would be cheaper.
And this is longer than anything I wanted to post on the subject. Maybe it will teach me to preview......
> a modern OS requires an internet browser and a video player.
You bet. When I start the first pot of coffee, and grab the cream from the fridge in the morning, the first thing which comes to mind is how great it would be if only I could watch a video or surf the web on these appliances.
Some years ago I worked with a group of people who came out of Cray Research (yeah, yeah, I know, I saw the earlier post). Seems one day a manager pulls all the hard drive vendors into a big meeting and tells them "they needed to slow down with all these big drives [1] its impossible to keep the inventory lists up to date."
[1] Not sure, but I'm guessing these would be on the order of 100s of megabytes......
What is the ratio of the increase in your 'managements' net worth to what you 'saved' by outsourcing?
Nope, just the heat from Heinlein spinning in his grave again
> Yes, let's instead listen to the unbiased people at Debian, Mandrake, Red Hat, and SUSE. Surely their opinions on this issue are less biased than those of the research company.
And are these companies hiding this bias? The is no question what their agenda is (well, I suppose if one was an utter moron and didn't realize what each of these have in common). And, is the research ([sic]) company claiming to be unbiased? If I'm not mistaken, they claim to have done an independent investigation. Yet, I'm sure there is a few posts above here pointing out they are ready, willing and quite capable of producing exactly the results you pay for (and a post or two about who actually paid for these particular results).