Perhaps but i can't go to the mall and buy a linux laptop. The ONLY unix like OS i can buy is a mac at the mall. When the CEO of redhat doesn't use linux on his primary box at work, i think that says a lot. You'd think redhat could buy from a linux vendor. I saw him interviewed a few years ago on a pbs money show and he admitted that he used windows AND that linux wasn't ready for the desktop. He thought linux was only good for servers. I think linux has matured since then, but its not a mac. Aside from hardware, either KDE or GNOME needs to win the war. We need a standardized gui environment. While I like KDE better, I want GNOME to win because of the licensing issues with Qt. Commercial vendors shouldn't have to pay more than visual studio pricing to develop on any platform and mac os has FREE developer tools with every mac. Think about that.
Oh how 1984 of you.. OSX works GREAT with a microsoft mouse complete with full right click and scroll wheel support. I even think the next machines had more than one mouse button and sense OSX is NEXTSTEP it has a long history of right clicking.
You can always overpay for an apple might mouse with right click support (44 dollars) or just go pickup a discount MS mouse on clearance for 7 dollars like i did.
The local computer stores are double those prices as well and that's why i buy on the internet. newegg.com and other sites often are cheaper. You can buy 50 doller dvd burners for macs too:) In fact, i just bought an external 4x dvd burner (usb2/firewire) for 50 dollars on overstock.com for use with my ibook.
Macs and pcs cost the same price essentially as everyone else has stated. Price a dell laptop with a radeon card and other ibook features and equal warrenties. Then goto apple.com and price the same thing. If you are a student, look at the even great apple price difference. Apple's academic prices are much better than dell's. My 400 dollar pc isn't a powermac if you know what i mean. I built it myself and sure it has sata raid but also a amd sempron 2300+ and 256mb ram. I could have bought a mac mini for that with crappy disk io but better everything else. Now my dell precision 650 dual xeon was 1399 refurb and my wife's powermac g4 dual 867 was 1799 new (about 1.5 years apart). Both of us bought new ati video cards for gaming and with speakers and display her's was about 300 dollars more. Her's was new and mine was refurb though. Both play enemy territory and WoW quite well. I only wish i had mac WoW ping. Gotta love the bsd tcp stack...
NetBSD is very fast for certain operations and is often used in networking research (internet2, ipv6, etc). If you don't have an SMP box or hyperthreading its quite fast and in my opinion the best os on sparc architectures. The ports system is a bit different. They have something called pkgsrc thats portable across operating systems. All bsds have a twist on the ports collection really. Its a big factor in choosing.
I'm a FreeBSD user primarily and I think NetBSD has some good points like major portability. I think they do more testing and its generally a more stable OS. FreeBSD 6.0 release should fix most of the recent problems. Think of NetBSD like a continuation of FreeBSD 4.x more. There are a lot of differences, but mostly small things. FreeBSD 5 and 6 are attempts to improve dual core, SMP, and hyperthreading based computers in the long haul.
NetBSD and FreeBSD people don't tend to get along simply becuase there's real competition lately between the two projects. Both are great operating systems and I think both are good at different tasks. If you plan on running a bsd on non ia32 hardware, definetely check out NetBSD. It might be worth trying it just to see if there are any unique features. If you are a programmer and like freebsd more, you can help out and add some of the great netbsd features to freebsd or vise versa.
I don't switch exactly, but each bsd seems to have a niche on certain hardware. NetBSD is the fastest os i've ever used on sparc hardware and openbsd runs great on g3 macs. I tend to run FreeBSD on ia32 hardware.
Good idea, but what would apple do with sco? Another issue is what will happen to apple's image if they buy sco? I already get made fun of for using a mac at my university both in and out of the cs department.
Now if apple (or anyone) bought sco and then if they actually own UNIX then release it to the open source community that would be amazing. Think about how linux, *bsd, or solaris could benefit from the development on a completely free OSS UNIX.
Don't feel too bad. I can barely play Doom 3 at 800 x 600 on my desktop. Its about a year old (although refurbished) with a radeon 9600 xt 128mb AIW and a dual xeon 2.0 ghz.
The problem with Oracle is that it runs on a very small number of operating systems and processor architectures. Open source databases like MySQL run on WIndows, Linux, BSD, OSX, Solaris, etc. MySQL can run on PPC, Sparc, IA32, AMD64, etc. For example, I could not port my current java based website (tomcat, servlets/jsp) from MySQL 4.x to Oracle simply because my target platform (FreeBSD 5.4) is not supported. Trying to get Oracle to run in FreeBSD's linux emulation is impossible. Heck i downloaded Oracle 9i and 10g for linux and tried to get it up on a redhat EL3 workstation box and that was a real chore in itself. Oracle's installer sucks. Its java based and is VERY picky about the java vm version it is running under.
I'm not fan of MySQL at this point, but it is easy to get running and with MySQL 5 out the door I may finally get stored procedures provided php isn't totally broken for my other sites.
Oracle if you're listening, think about fixing that installer and get some more OS support. OS lock-in sucks and if i have to deal with that I might as well use MS SQL Server which I like a great deal over MySQL.
And you lose more quality than the DVD. Why? Apple uses an incredibly small resolution for ipod videos.. 320 x 240 or so (from memory). My first computer did 640 x 480 for christ sake. I bought a music video on iTunes adn when i went full screen on my iBook it looked worse than the quicktime file i made from an old vhs of u2 videos. Apple needs to offer a high quality version at higher resolution. I'd even be willing to pay more for it.
Mono does not run properly on FreeBSD. It does not have full support for.NET 1.0 yet let alone 2.0. I have not tried mono in linux, but i have used it in mac os x and filled bug reports on the freebsd issues. OSX can work with the proper libraries installed in GUI mode but dont try to use it for webapps.
I found it interesting how well the AMD 3000+ did in the benchmarks. On almost every benchmark it had the highest score for price/performance in 3d and gaming related tests. It seems like buying this cpu and putting money in a better video card are the smart choice. I'm basing this on the fact that most gamers go through quicker upgrade cycles anyway.
Social engineering? At my university, I just have to look at an employees desk for the sticky notes with ALL their passwords. I can get their voicemail, login to their computer and read their email through groupwise all in one place. And with the superb web access, I can read their email at home or on the road too.:)
In my case it doesn't matter, since I work for one of the many IS departments on campus. I have root on half the student services servers and all workstations anyway.
I don't care about the shitty little screen but i had hopes about watching video on my laptop from the itunes store. Problem is the resolution is 320 x 240. I bought a u2 music video to test the quality and it plays in the artwork box in lower left corner by default!!!!! Sure i can full screen it, but it looks like crap. I think the video feature is a big let down.
I don't think most users care about privacy. Why would lamers use kazaa and other spyware ridden products if they did? About half the people I talk to about spyware don't care if someone has their information. They feel its the price for admission onto the internet. Its very sad.
I disagree. Younger people like yourself use Hotmail, Gmail, yahoo mail and many other web based email services. Guess what, there is an email client on your computer right now. Every OS has one. Why use an inferior web based one? I asked someone in my et clan that today. He said "Webpages are easy. I don't get this thunderbird. What's an imap server?"
Older people may use it too. They don't understand how to install software on their computer. (non geeks of course) My mother would use a "Yahoo" word processor over Microsoft's any day of the week. She loves the yahoo brand way too much. Google has its own following. And in the case of my mother, she just learned about bold last week. She's had access to a computer for 10 years! Thank god i moved out 5 years ago!
I don't think people think of the internet as a distributed network. They think of it like TV. Its this void that shows them sports, porn, email and now cheap online music. You don't need to know how something works to use it.
The problem isn't application code typically, its the VM startup time people complain about. If java is already running its fast, but if you are starting a vm from scratch (server vm in particular) it takes a few minutes. As an example, it takes 35 seconds to start up tomcat on my freebsd server including VM startup (java 1.4.2 native) and loading all the webapps. I've timed it.
Server specs are a p4 2.4ghz with 1gb ram and freebsd 5.4 release.
Great. Someday when you achieve the goal, I can recommend Mono. In the mean time, software written for Microsoft.NET is not guaranteed to run on Mono. GTK# and Cocoa# are great ideas, and I'm not upset that you extended.NET, but I'd rather have you finish a compatible Microsoft.NET implementation first. Also, let your developers know its a goal of the project. I think there is some confusion.
C# and VB.NET are almost identical in features. What do you "sacrifice" that is really important? The.NET framework is still there. C# is just java like syntax for.NET. Its not 100% better as its billed by microsoft and consultants. I agree vb6 sucked.
The java vm startup time is a problem for client apps, but server side its not a big deal. Running tomcat with servlets, jsp and the like is very fast..NET app startup time is slower than running a program written in another language as well. Try running the ati control panel (.net version). Now that is slow. Limewire loads faster and its a java app.
Or check to see if the $299 has an agp slot. You can always throw in a better video card and ram. Granted an emachine won't have one, but i've bought compaq systems in the past with agp. I had an agp card from my last system and it was a cheap way to get back on the internet. Building a system is fun, but reliability on a home built is not so good. Motherboards seem to go out faster on home built systems in my experience.
The other scenario is when you need a high end system. I priced out building an SMP box (dual processor only) about a year and a half ago. Using newegg, it was about $1300 dollars to build a dual AMD athlon 2800+ MP machine with 512mb ram. The motherboard and processors were about $700 dollars by themselves. I then had to buy ecc ram for the motherboard. A dual xeon 2.4 ghz was about $1800 dollars. My solution was to buy a refurb dell precision dual 2.0ghz xeon for $1300 dollars and then drop a good video card and dvd drive in it. Best of all, the dell had a 3 year warrenty whereas my newegg box would have had no warrenty. Maybe some vendors would have had a warrenty on specific components.
.NET supports tons of languages, but mono does not! Remember everyone the goal of mono is not to be microsoft.net compliant. It is to be similar to.net but not support everything and add extensions of their own. They don't want you to run windows code on linux, they want you to run mono code on windows and linux with the MONO runtime. Its not portable in the sense that you can run ALL.net 1.0 from windows using microsoft's.net runtime on mono and vise versa. Java gives you portability, mono does not. Finally, java runs on non windows/linux/mac os x systems. I can run java on freebsd but i can not run mono (well it crashes with thread/garbage collection problems all the time).
Java = portability; mono = novell's quality of software (bad)
I've personally talked to a mono developer at my university. He works for novell on the project and they never intend to make mono compatible with.NET. He even said i was stupid for wanting it to be compatible. Mono should not be advertised as.NET for linux because its not. Its C# for linux but on a different runtime. VB.NET support is not complete in mono either.
Yes, all isps should be multihomed. I worked for an isp for a few years as a sys admin. We only had 4000 customers (hosting and dial up), but had two upstream providers. At the time we had a T3 to UUNET (MCI) and an ethernet link at the telco to verio which had a T3 to detroit from that location. Our modem bank was at the telco and so dialups routed through verio most of the time. We had 3 t1 circuits to our office which was about 10 miles away. The network topology wasn't the best, but it did work. We had several occasions when one of the links went down and we just adjusted some routes to bring everything up. If a small isp can do this, then i think all should.
Yes, because its part of Mac OS X! The operating system supports it because everything in OSX is a pdf including the content on the screen. Microsoft didn't include PDF support, they just take advantage of a built in feature of the OS.
What I want to see next is Microsoft adding pdf support to Windows. I love to see Adobe lose money. Only people who need to use acrobat pro specific features will require Acrobat now. I get too many tech calls on pdf support at work. You have to cough up money each time a new version of Windows or office comes out to get acrobat to work correctly.
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Perhaps but i can't go to the mall and buy a linux laptop. The ONLY unix like OS i can buy is a mac at the mall. When the CEO of redhat doesn't use linux on his primary box at work, i think that says a lot. You'd think redhat could buy from a linux vendor. I saw him interviewed a few years ago on a pbs money show and he admitted that he used windows AND that linux wasn't ready for the desktop. He thought linux was only good for servers. I think linux has matured since then, but its not a mac. Aside from hardware, either KDE or GNOME needs to win the war. We need a standardized gui environment. While I like KDE better, I want GNOME to win because of the licensing issues with Qt. Commercial vendors shouldn't have to pay more than visual studio pricing to develop on any platform and mac os has FREE developer tools with every mac. Think about that.
Oh how 1984 of you.. OSX works GREAT with a microsoft mouse complete with full right click and scroll wheel support. I even think the next machines had more than one mouse button and sense OSX is NEXTSTEP it has a long history of right clicking.
You can always overpay for an apple might mouse with right click support (44 dollars) or just go pickup a discount MS mouse on clearance for 7 dollars like i did.
The local computer stores are double those prices as well and that's why i buy on the internet. newegg.com and other sites often are cheaper. You can buy 50 doller dvd burners for macs too :) In fact, i just bought an external 4x dvd burner (usb2/firewire) for 50 dollars on overstock.com for use with my ibook.
Macs and pcs cost the same price essentially as everyone else has stated. Price a dell laptop with a radeon card and other ibook features and equal warrenties. Then goto apple.com and price the same thing. If you are a student, look at the even great apple price difference. Apple's academic prices are much better than dell's. My 400 dollar pc isn't a powermac if you know what i mean. I built it myself and sure it has sata raid but also a amd sempron 2300+ and 256mb ram. I could have bought a mac mini for that with crappy disk io but better everything else. Now my dell precision 650 dual xeon was 1399 refurb and my wife's powermac g4 dual 867 was 1799 new (about 1.5 years apart). Both of us bought new ati video cards for gaming and with speakers and display her's was about 300 dollars more. Her's was new and mine was refurb though. Both play enemy territory and WoW quite well. I only wish i had mac WoW ping. Gotta love the bsd tcp stack...
NetBSD is very fast for certain operations and is often used in networking research (internet2, ipv6, etc). If you don't have an SMP box or hyperthreading its quite fast and in my opinion the best os on sparc architectures. The ports system is a bit different. They have something called pkgsrc thats portable across operating systems. All bsds have a twist on the ports collection really. Its a big factor in choosing.
I'm a FreeBSD user primarily and I think NetBSD has some good points like major portability. I think they do more testing and its generally a more stable OS. FreeBSD 6.0 release should fix most of the recent problems. Think of NetBSD like a continuation of FreeBSD 4.x more. There are a lot of differences, but mostly small things. FreeBSD 5 and 6 are attempts to improve dual core, SMP, and hyperthreading based computers in the long haul.
NetBSD and FreeBSD people don't tend to get along simply becuase there's real competition lately between the two projects. Both are great operating systems and I think both are good at different tasks. If you plan on running a bsd on non ia32 hardware, definetely check out NetBSD. It might be worth trying it just to see if there are any unique features. If you are a programmer and like freebsd more, you can help out and add some of the great netbsd features to freebsd or vise versa.
I don't switch exactly, but each bsd seems to have a niche on certain hardware. NetBSD is the fastest os i've ever used on sparc hardware and openbsd runs great on g3 macs. I tend to run FreeBSD on ia32 hardware.
Thats not to bad. I won't bother to share my entry it was scary and used too much pink :)
Good idea, but what would apple do with sco? Another issue is what will happen to apple's image if they buy sco? I already get made fun of for using a mac at my university both in and out of the cs department.
Now if apple (or anyone) bought sco and then if they actually own UNIX then release it to the open source community that would be amazing. Think about how linux, *bsd, or solaris could benefit from the development on a completely free OSS UNIX.
Don't feel too bad. I can barely play Doom 3 at 800 x 600 on my desktop. Its about a year old (although refurbished) with a radeon 9600 xt 128mb AIW and a dual xeon 2.0 ghz.
The problem with Oracle is that it runs on a very small number of operating systems and processor architectures. Open source databases like MySQL run on WIndows, Linux, BSD, OSX, Solaris, etc. MySQL can run on PPC, Sparc, IA32, AMD64, etc. For example, I could not port my current java based website (tomcat, servlets/jsp) from MySQL 4.x to Oracle simply because my target platform (FreeBSD 5.4) is not supported. Trying to get Oracle to run in FreeBSD's linux emulation is impossible. Heck i downloaded Oracle 9i and 10g for linux and tried to get it up on a redhat EL3 workstation box and that was a real chore in itself. Oracle's installer sucks. Its java based and is VERY picky about the java vm version it is running under.
I'm not fan of MySQL at this point, but it is easy to get running and with MySQL 5 out the door I may finally get stored procedures provided php isn't totally broken for my other sites.
Oracle if you're listening, think about fixing that installer and get some more OS support. OS lock-in sucks and if i have to deal with that I might as well use MS SQL Server which I like a great deal over MySQL.
And you lose more quality than the DVD. Why? Apple uses an incredibly small resolution for ipod videos.. 320 x 240 or so (from memory). My first computer did 640 x 480 for christ sake. I bought a music video on iTunes adn when i went full screen on my iBook it looked worse than the quicktime file i made from an old vhs of u2 videos. Apple needs to offer a high quality version at higher resolution. I'd even be willing to pay more for it.
Mono does not run properly on FreeBSD. It does not have full support for .NET 1.0 yet let alone 2.0. I have not tried mono in linux, but i have used it in mac os x and filled bug reports on the freebsd issues. OSX can work with the proper libraries installed in GUI mode but dont try to use it for webapps.
I found it interesting how well the AMD 3000+ did in the benchmarks. On almost every benchmark it had the highest score for price/performance in 3d and gaming related tests. It seems like buying this cpu and putting money in a better video card are the smart choice. I'm basing this on the fact that most gamers go through quicker upgrade cycles anyway.
Social engineering? At my university, I just have to look at an employees desk for the sticky notes with ALL their passwords. I can get their voicemail, login to their computer and read their email through groupwise all in one place. And with the superb web access, I can read their email at home or on the road too. :)
In my case it doesn't matter, since I work for one of the many IS departments on campus. I have root on half the student services servers and all workstations anyway.
No, I suspect it was Microsoft Windows Age of Mythology edition.
I don't care about the shitty little screen but i had hopes about watching video on my laptop from the itunes store. Problem is the resolution is 320 x 240. I bought a u2 music video to test the quality and it plays in the artwork box in lower left corner by default!!!!! Sure i can full screen it, but it looks like crap. I think the video feature is a big let down.
I don't think most users care about privacy. Why would lamers use kazaa and other spyware ridden products if they did? About half the people I talk to about spyware don't care if someone has their information. They feel its the price for admission onto the internet. Its very sad.
You're an idiot. Chuck (AKA Beastie) is a daemon not a demon. Dumbass.
I disagree. Younger people like yourself use Hotmail, Gmail, yahoo mail and many other web based email services. Guess what, there is an email client on your computer right now. Every OS has one. Why use an inferior web based one? I asked someone in my et clan that today. He said "Webpages are easy. I don't get this thunderbird. What's an imap server?"
Older people may use it too. They don't understand how to install software on their computer. (non geeks of course) My mother would use a "Yahoo" word processor over Microsoft's any day of the week. She loves the yahoo brand way too much. Google has its own following. And in the case of my mother, she just learned about bold last week. She's had access to a computer for 10 years! Thank god i moved out 5 years ago!
I don't think people think of the internet as a distributed network. They think of it like TV. Its this void that shows them sports, porn, email and now cheap online music. You don't need to know how something works to use it.
The problem isn't application code typically, its the VM startup time people complain about. If java is already running its fast, but if you are starting a vm from scratch (server vm in particular) it takes a few minutes. As an example, it takes 35 seconds to start up tomcat on my freebsd server including VM startup (java 1.4.2 native) and loading all the webapps. I've timed it.
Server specs are a p4 2.4ghz with 1gb ram and freebsd 5.4 release.
Great. Someday when you achieve the goal, I can recommend Mono. In the mean time, software written for Microsoft .NET is not guaranteed to run on Mono. GTK# and Cocoa# are great ideas, and I'm not upset that you extended .NET, but I'd rather have you finish a compatible Microsoft .NET implementation first. Also, let your developers know its a goal of the project. I think there is some confusion.
C# and VB.NET are almost identical in features. What do you "sacrifice" that is really important? The .NET framework is still there. C# is just java like syntax for .NET. Its not 100% better as its billed by microsoft and consultants. I agree vb6 sucked.
.NET app startup time is slower than running a program written in another language as well. Try running the ati control panel (.net version). Now that is slow. Limewire loads faster and its a java app.
The java vm startup time is a problem for client apps, but server side its not a big deal. Running tomcat with servlets, jsp and the like is very fast.
Or check to see if the $299 has an agp slot. You can always throw in a better video card and ram. Granted an emachine won't have one, but i've bought compaq systems in the past with agp. I had an agp card from my last system and it was a cheap way to get back on the internet. Building a system is fun, but reliability on a home built is not so good. Motherboards seem to go out faster on home built systems in my experience.
The other scenario is when you need a high end system. I priced out building an SMP box (dual processor only) about a year and a half ago. Using newegg, it was about $1300 dollars to build a dual AMD athlon 2800+ MP machine with 512mb ram. The motherboard and processors were about $700 dollars by themselves. I then had to buy ecc ram for the motherboard. A dual xeon 2.4 ghz was about $1800 dollars. My solution was to buy a refurb dell precision dual 2.0ghz xeon for $1300 dollars and then drop a good video card and dvd drive in it. Best of all, the dell had a 3 year warrenty whereas my newegg box would have had no warrenty. Maybe some vendors would have had a warrenty on specific components.
.NET supports tons of languages, but mono does not! Remember everyone the goal of mono is not to be microsoft .net compliant. It is to be similar to .net but not support everything and add extensions of their own. They don't want you to run windows code on linux, they want you to run mono code on windows and linux with the MONO runtime. Its not portable in the sense that you can run ALL .net 1.0 from windows using microsoft's .net runtime on mono and vise versa. Java gives you portability, mono does not. Finally, java runs on non windows/linux/mac os x systems. I can run java on freebsd but i can not run mono (well it crashes with thread/garbage collection problems all the time).
.NET. He even said i was stupid for wanting it to be compatible. Mono should not be advertised as .NET for linux because its not. Its C# for linux but on a different runtime. VB.NET support is not complete in mono either.
Java = portability; mono = novell's quality of software (bad)
I've personally talked to a mono developer at my university. He works for novell on the project and they never intend to make mono compatible with
Yes, all isps should be multihomed. I worked for an isp for a few years as a sys admin. We only had 4000 customers (hosting and dial up), but had two upstream providers. At the time we had a T3 to UUNET (MCI) and an ethernet link at the telco to verio which had a T3 to detroit from that location. Our modem bank was at the telco and so dialups routed through verio most of the time. We had 3 t1 circuits to our office which was about 10 miles away. The network topology wasn't the best, but it did work. We had several occasions when one of the links went down and we just adjusted some routes to bring everything up. If a small isp can do this, then i think all should.
Yes, because its part of Mac OS X! The operating system supports it because everything in OSX is a pdf including the content on the screen. Microsoft didn't include PDF support, they just take advantage of a built in feature of the OS.
What I want to see next is Microsoft adding pdf support to Windows. I love to see Adobe lose money. Only people who need to use acrobat pro specific features will require Acrobat now. I get too many tech calls on pdf support at work. You have to cough up money each time a new version of Windows or office comes out to get acrobat to work correctly.