Read the parent and THEN read my post.
I said Lotus Notes is bloated, NOT Open Office. I was criticizing the decision to embed a large office app in an already way-too-large email app.
You probably don't work in a cube-farm filled with non-techies.
When people open up MS Word or OO Writer, they are typically
going to save in the default format, which will be incompatible.
Most of the people who work near me don't even know there are different formats much less which format goes with what software.
The company would view two seperate office apps on a desktop as a support nightmare waiting to happen.
That's exactly what I was about to post...what a bloated app!
...and now they're going to embed an entire office suite?
Here's the rub: No large organization is going to want that installed. They will turn off that part of the install.
I work for a large financial corporation and they like things to be standardized (Yes, we use MS Office). I would love it if we moved to open office but it ain't
gonna happen soon. The last thing they want are problems with multiple incompatible standards used for business documents.
Well, now that we know his exact date of birth,
all we need is his mother's maiden name and his SSN
and we could all be CmdrTaco....for at least a day.
the state of Mass et. al. could do THEIR job and catch these pervs instead of off-loading the responsibility onto a company who's area of expertise is not law enforcement.
When we start expecting private citizens/companies to be our law enforcement (e.g.RIAA,etc.) is when things tend to get COMPLETELY OUT OF HAND!
When my office was doing the conversion 5 years ago
I told the desktop support group they should not
throw away all those TR cards, as they would probably
be valuable in a couple of years.
One of the earlier posts in this discussion
was a guy who says they have to pay $180 per card (!).
I'm wishing I had kept a few for eBay.
I work for a bank... a LARGE bank.
I know we have one small location that still has TR because
the site has been on the chopping block for 4 years.
(It's finally closing this year.)
I know we stopped installing it in new
locations about 10 years ago in favor of Ethernet.
My site (and most of the rest of the bank) was upgraded
from TR to Ethernet(100Mb) about 5 years ago.
Banks and any other large companies are
going to stick to industry standards in order to reduce
costs and complexity. I know we've had a hell of a time
finding replacement hardware for the switching/routing equipment
in that last TR location. My point is, why should a large company
build a custom LAN network when the cheaper, easier technology
will do just fine. e.g. We would have to disable the ethernet
adapter in the Dell workstations we use and install TR cards.
I have a laptop...I'd have to find a PCMCIA TR card. This
is exactly the type of BS that large companies don't want to deal with.
Here's the real reason TR is dead:
QOS was only an issue with Ethernet
when you had people using hubs. Now that massive switches
are the norm, it isn't an issue since each user can run in full duplex.
If you're on a hub, you're sharing bandwidth. If you're on a switch,
you've got 100Mb all to yourself. (Unlike a hub, the switch can buffer the frames
if the destination port is busy.) In addition, you can run in duplex which means
your ethernet card can send and receive at the same time.
If your office is using a switch, it's
your WAN connections you have to worry about, not your LAN.
And thats just for the cube farm. For the server room we have
either dual 100Mb or dual 1000Mb connections to multiple backbones
(more for redundancy than bandwidth.) There are also dedicated
fiber going to SANS drives.
The computer in my cube is piggy-backed onto a Cisco IP phone, which all goes to a single 100Mb switch port.
I have never had a problem with it.
Token Ring is DEAD. DEAD. DEAD.
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Yes, I've been waiting for this too.
Yahoo Calendar (IMHO) has been the only remotely
decent web-based calendar. Until now.
I've been dying to close my Yahoo account since
they rolled over for the justice department.
It didn't surprise me when MSN handed over confidential
information because they want to keep on the Justice departments good side but when I heard Yahoo
complied with the clearly illegal request, I was very disappointed.
I don't normally reply to AC but you made some good points I'd like to respond to...
I agree, gas prices are artificially high right now but crude prices will catch up.
Yes, China has a lot of cars. Yes, they use a lot of gas now.
Here's another point though: China (and India) is developing a middle class where previously there was none (2.5 billion?). This means a LOT more people needing....we'll they need the same crap I buy on a daily/weekly/yearly basis. Crude oil goes to manufacturing just as much as it goes to transportation.
As Asia's middle class explodes (and yes, explode is the correct word for the growth rate) they will demand more of everything, and just about everything requires oil to harvest, melt, heat, cool, transport, light, heal,... you get the point.
And guess what else middle-class people do? They have more kids.
I didn't make the $5/gallon remark as a complaint although that's
obviously how it came across. I was just using it as an example of
the amount of growth there and it's impacts.
If I had my way, there'd be more tax on gas, a luxury tax on any
vehicle that got less than 25 mpg, and a LOT more rules that force the oil companies to also provide alternative fuels to gas stations for hybrid fuel cars.
Yes, Asia will impact our economy by both driving up gas prices
and providing goods at dirt cheap prices. The Asian auto industry
will also dominate the US because they see the need for hybrid cars.
(The top 10 car list this year didn't have a single US model.)
Any auto maker that wants to still be around 5 years from now had
better be doing the R&D for high mileage cars.
I'd like to see the growth stats for pretty much everything else in China....
I'm willing to bet that MS products grew a lot more than 27%.
My brother has to go there for business on a regular business.
He says they're building the equivalent of New York City every year.
This is also why we in the US will be paying $5/gallon for gas soon... not because
of our demand but because of Asia's demand.
Unless the play/performance is a get-the-hell-out-at-the-first-intermission kind of bad, then a standing ovation at the very end is a fore-gone conclusion.
At least that's been the status-quo in the last several plays I've been to, several of which were mediocre and didn't deserve it.
In a place like the U.S., yes there is. It's the basic freedom of speech, freedom of press,etc., that gives us the ability to say "this election was a damn mess and we want something done about it!" It also gives the regional and national politicians something to stump about. Not long after the 2k election local & regional politicians were promising to do away with the stupid punch-hole system and I think congress also threw some money at Florida to fix things.
Unfortunatly, third world (and some first world)nations don't have this level of self-correction, which is why Jimmy Carter and other organizations help oversee elections that have the potential to be exetrememly corupt. Carter even helped to monitor the Palistinian elections that put Hamas in control.
The US, UK, Japan, France and a few other countries in the world have progressed to the point where we can have (relatively) honest elections and a peaceful transition of power and if something goes wrong like the 2k election, we are ALL going to know about it and want it fixed. The politicians know we can remove them from power if they don't fix it and we (the people) know there's too much to lose if we stand idlely by and let things spiral out of control. Yes, political leanings tend to shift around from decade to decade but rarely do they go to an extreme for any length of time. I'm sure democrats thought the sky was falling after the '88 election when they realized there were four more years of republican control. But then 8 years later the White House and the Congress were controlled by the democrats.
I've lost track of my point.... maybe that the US is a good example of a relatively stable chaos system, regulated by the will of the people, some of whom want things to change and others that don't.
The American Constitution has no mechanism for correcting this except impeachment
This is the one point that's constantly overlooked. Did Florida residents REALLY think they could have another Presidential election in 2000? That's absurd. It's terrible that the election came down to a supreme court decision but the way our system works is that it is self-correcting for FUTURE elections. You cant keep having the SAME election over and over again until you get the results you like.
I'd say it's not so much a prioritization problem (I've been working on one project for over a year) but the fact that everyone uses a computer to accomplish ANYTHING. I work for a bank and everyone has a computer. (I'm a developer so I have three.)
My point is, if anything happens to a persons computer or the network, work just stops cold. To add to the grief, most people don't have the skills or security access to fix those problems directly.
Yesterday some idiot changed an IP address on a Novel server and several programmers were sitting idle for FOUR HOURS while they figured out the problem.
Can we go back to doing business w/o computers? Of course not. The software I write is used by about 6000 people and saves the bank millions of $$ in man hours.
What is needed is a more cohesive IT management system. Right now different systems are managed from different groups but those systems are connected and have to interoperate... so the different management groups INVARIABLY step on each other's toes. (Side note: outsourcing the management of different systems will make the problem worse since communication between groups will decrease.) We have change management procedures and notifications out-the-wazoo but negative impacts still happen. If you can solve these types of problems for large organizations (we have 100K people) then you will be a very popular person.
Radio Shack: Where engineers shop when crap breaks on a Saturday.
On a side note: As much as I hate the crap that they sell, they fortunately have a good stock of goofy little adapters. Two hours before my wedding, my best man and I had to race around looking for a rad-shack to get an adapter so I could plug in my mp3 player to the reception halls' sound system. If it wasn't for Radio shack stocking all those different adapters I would have been in BIG TROUBLE!
...propose something even more draconian than your original goal to see how it goes over.
Regan was great at that:
"I'm going to raise taxes 10 percent"
US:"BOOOO!!!!"
"OK, you're right. I'm only going to raise it 5 percent."
US:"Whew! That's a relief!"
My high-school band director would do the same thing for our band trips every year. He would go to the school board (which had to approve the trip) and tell them he wanted to take us to London or Sydney, etc., and let them think about it. He'd come back a month later and propose Orlando, Quebec, etc. The school board would invariably rubber-stamp the second less-dramatic proposal.
To a lesser extent my boss does this, but in reverse, by under-promising and over-delivering, which makes our department look good. He calls it "managing expectations".
Dell has a deal (through the small business portal) if you spec out an inspiron over $1600 and they take off $400.
I went through and spec'd a 17" inspiron, duo core, 1 gig of high speed memory, and 60 gig hard drive & DVD burner. After the $400 off it added up to right at $1300. Pretty sweet deal if you ask me.
It is clear that DRM software is going to be as open to bugs as any other software...
Actually...much more so.
DRM software has to do more than regular software to prevent users from circumventing it, with the latest craze being OS hooks.
Insecure software + OS hooks = HUGE security risks.
If you ever want to release a worm that takes advantage of a DRM security hole, just put it on a web site that tells you how to disable that particular DRM. People will google for a way to disable their DRM, go to your site, and WHAM.
Wow...they should devote an entire song about that!
(music)
HAN: I shot first... I'm a bad bad dude.... I shot first.
(other characters in saloon singing back up)
He shot first,shot first... He shot first, shot first...
etc
While I don't doubt this is true, I heard a similar story 20 years ago about a company that sold two models of mini-computers. Apparently the only difference between the two models was a wire that had to be clipped to achieve the higher performance.
The only problem is I've heard the story told about 10 different ways. I'm wondering if it's actually apocrifal?
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Read the parent and THEN read my post.
I said Lotus Notes is bloated, NOT Open Office. I was criticizing the decision to embed a large office app in an already way-too-large email app.
You probably don't work in a cube-farm filled with non-techies.
When people open up MS Word or OO Writer, they are typically going to save in the default format, which will be incompatible. Most of the people who work near me don't even know there are different formats much less which format goes with what software.
The company would view two seperate office apps on a desktop as a support nightmare waiting to happen.
That's exactly what I was about to post...what a bloated app!
...and now they're going to embed an entire office suite?
Here's the rub: No large organization is going to want that installed. They will turn off that part of the install.
I work for a large financial corporation and they like things to be standardized (Yes, we use MS Office). I would love it if we moved to open office but it ain't gonna happen soon. The last thing they want are problems with multiple incompatible standards used for business documents.
Well, now that we know his exact date of birth,
all we need is his mother's maiden name and his SSN
and we could all be CmdrTaco....for at least a day.
the state of Mass et. al. could do THEIR job and catch these pervs instead of off-loading the responsibility onto a company who's area of expertise is not law enforcement.
When we start expecting private citizens/companies to be our law enforcement (e.g.RIAA,etc.) is when things tend to get COMPLETELY OUT OF HAND!
When my office was doing the conversion 5 years ago I told the desktop support group they should not throw away all those TR cards, as they would probably be valuable in a couple of years.
One of the earlier posts in this discussion was a guy who says they have to pay $180 per card (!).
I'm wishing I had kept a few for eBay.
I work for a bank... a LARGE bank.
I know we have one small location that still has TR because the site has been on the chopping block for 4 years.
(It's finally closing this year.)
I know we stopped installing it in new locations about 10 years ago in favor of Ethernet. My site (and most of the rest of the bank) was upgraded from TR to Ethernet(100Mb) about 5 years ago.
Banks and any other large companies are going to stick to industry standards in order to reduce costs and complexity. I know we've had a hell of a time finding replacement hardware for the switching/routing equipment in that last TR location. My point is, why should a large company build a custom LAN network when the cheaper, easier technology will do just fine. e.g. We would have to disable the ethernet adapter in the Dell workstations we use and install TR cards. I have a laptop...I'd have to find a PCMCIA TR card. This is exactly the type of BS that large companies don't want to deal with.
Here's the real reason TR is dead: QOS was only an issue with Ethernet when you had people using hubs. Now that massive switches are the norm, it isn't an issue since each user can run in full duplex. If you're on a hub, you're sharing bandwidth. If you're on a switch, you've got 100Mb all to yourself. (Unlike a hub, the switch can buffer the frames if the destination port is busy.) In addition, you can run in duplex which means your ethernet card can send and receive at the same time. If your office is using a switch, it's your WAN connections you have to worry about, not your LAN.
And thats just for the cube farm. For the server room we have either dual 100Mb or dual 1000Mb connections to multiple backbones (more for redundancy than bandwidth.) There are also dedicated fiber going to SANS drives.
The computer in my cube is piggy-backed onto a Cisco IP phone, which all goes to a single 100Mb switch port. I have never had a problem with it.
Token Ring is DEAD. DEAD. DEAD.
Yes, I've been waiting for this too.
Yahoo Calendar (IMHO) has been the only remotely decent web-based calendar. Until now.
I've been dying to close my Yahoo account since they rolled over for the justice department. It didn't surprise me when MSN handed over confidential information because they want to keep on the Justice departments good side but when I heard Yahoo complied with the clearly illegal request, I was very disappointed.
I don't normally reply to AC but you made some good points I'd like to respond to...
I agree, gas prices are artificially high right now but crude prices will catch up.
Yes, China has a lot of cars. Yes, they use a lot of gas now.
Here's another point though: China (and India) is developing a middle class where previously there was none (2.5 billion?). This means a LOT more people needing....we'll they need the same crap I buy on a daily/weekly/yearly basis. Crude oil goes to manufacturing just as much as it goes to transportation.
As Asia's middle class explodes (and yes, explode is the correct word for the growth rate) they will demand more of everything, and just about everything requires oil to harvest, melt, heat, cool, transport, light, heal,... you get the point.
And guess what else middle-class people do? They have more kids.
I didn't make the $5/gallon remark as a complaint although that's obviously how it came across. I was just using it as an example of the amount of growth there and it's impacts.
If I had my way, there'd be more tax on gas, a luxury tax on any vehicle that got less than 25 mpg, and a LOT more rules that force the oil companies to also provide alternative fuels to gas stations for hybrid fuel cars.
Yes, Asia will impact our economy by both driving up gas prices and providing goods at dirt cheap prices. The Asian auto industry will also dominate the US because they see the need for hybrid cars. (The top 10 car list this year didn't have a single US model.) Any auto maker that wants to still be around 5 years from now had better be doing the R&D for high mileage cars.
I'd like to see the growth stats for pretty much everything else in China....
I'm willing to bet that MS products grew a lot more than 27%.
My brother has to go there for business on a regular business. He says they're building the equivalent of New York City every year.
This is also why we in the US will be paying $5/gallon for gas soon... not because of our demand but because of Asia's demand.
Unless the play/performance is a get-the-hell-out-at-the-first-intermission kind of bad, then a standing ovation at the very end is a fore-gone conclusion.
At least that's been the status-quo in the last several plays I've been to, several of which were mediocre and didn't deserve it.
In a place like the U.S., yes there is. It's the basic freedom of speech, freedom of press,etc., that gives us the ability to say "this election was a damn mess and we want something done about it!" It also gives the regional and national politicians something to stump about. Not long after the 2k election local & regional politicians were promising to do away with the stupid punch-hole system and I think congress also threw some money at Florida to fix things.
Unfortunatly, third world (and some first world)nations don't have this level of self-correction, which is why Jimmy Carter and other organizations help oversee elections that have the potential to be exetrememly corupt. Carter even helped to monitor the Palistinian elections that put Hamas in control.
The US, UK, Japan, France and a few other countries in the world have progressed to the point where we can have (relatively) honest elections and a peaceful transition of power and if something goes wrong like the 2k election, we are ALL going to know about it and want it fixed. The politicians know we can remove them from power if they don't fix it and we (the people) know there's too much to lose if we stand idlely by and let things spiral out of control. Yes, political leanings tend to shift around from decade to decade but rarely do they go to an extreme for any length of time. I'm sure democrats thought the sky was falling after the '88 election when they realized there were four more years of republican control. But then 8 years later the White House and the Congress were controlled by the democrats.
I've lost track of my point.... maybe that the US is a good example of a relatively stable chaos system, regulated by the will of the people, some of whom want things to change and others that don't.
Sorry for the rant.....
I'd say it's not so much a prioritization problem (I've been working on one project for over a year) but the fact that everyone uses a computer to accomplish ANYTHING. I work for a bank and everyone has a computer. (I'm a developer so I have three.)
My point is, if anything happens to a persons computer or the network, work just stops cold. To add to the grief, most people don't have the skills or security access to fix those problems directly.
Yesterday some idiot changed an IP address on a Novel server and several programmers were sitting idle for FOUR HOURS while they figured out the problem.
Can we go back to doing business w/o computers? Of course not. The software I write is used by about 6000 people and saves the bank millions of $$ in man hours.
What is needed is a more cohesive IT management system. Right now different systems are managed from different groups but those systems are connected and have to interoperate... so the different management groups INVARIABLY step on each other's toes. (Side note: outsourcing the management of different systems will make the problem worse since communication between groups will decrease.) We have change management procedures and notifications out-the-wazoo but negative impacts still happen. If you can solve these types of problems for large organizations (we have 100K people) then you will be a very popular person.
Previous to that it was:
Radio Shack: Where engineers shop when crap breaks on a Saturday.
On a side note: As much as I hate the crap that they sell, they fortunately have a good stock of goofy little adapters. Two hours before my wedding, my best man and I had to race around looking for a rad-shack to get an adapter so I could plug in my mp3 player to the reception halls' sound system. If it wasn't for Radio shack stocking all those different adapters I would have been in BIG TROUBLE!
Your answer and more:
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"I'm going to raise taxes 10 percent"
US:"BOOOO!!!!"
"OK, you're right. I'm only going to raise it 5 percent."
US:"Whew! That's a relief!"
My high-school band director would do the same thing for our band trips every year. He would go to the school board (which had to approve the trip) and tell them he wanted to take us to London or Sydney, etc., and let them think about it. He'd come back a month later and propose Orlando, Quebec, etc. The school board would invariably rubber-stamp the second less-dramatic proposal.
To a lesser extent my boss does this, but in reverse, by under-promising and over-delivering, which makes our department look good. He calls it "managing expectations".
Dell has a deal (through the small business portal) if you spec out an inspiron over $1600 and they take off $400.
I went through and spec'd a 17" inspiron, duo core, 1 gig of high speed memory, and 60 gig hard drive & DVD burner. After the $400 off it added up to right at $1300. Pretty sweet deal if you ask me.
the complete office suite you can run from a USB drive
Sure but how big?
The zip file is 75 meg but will it fit on a 128 meg drive when unzipped?
DRM software has to do more than regular software to prevent users from circumventing it, with the latest craze being OS hooks.
Insecure software + OS hooks = HUGE security risks.
If you ever want to release a worm that takes advantage of a DRM security hole, just put it on a web site that tells you how to disable that particular DRM. People will google for a way to disable their DRM, go to your site, and WHAM.
where marketers knowingly introduce a flawed or inadequate product...
Heck, that's been Microsoft's business model for 25 years!
There are many things that may help prevent cancer.
There are very few things you can use to treat cancer.
Wow...they should devote an entire song about that!
(music)
HAN: I shot first... I'm a bad bad dude.... I shot first.
(other characters in saloon singing back up)
He shot first,shot first... He shot first, shot first...
etc
Of course what I meant (and what I thought I had implied), does time dilate to any noticable or meaningful extent... that answer is no.
While I don't doubt this is true, I heard a similar story 20 years ago about a company that sold two models of mini-computers. Apparently the only difference between the two models was a wire that had to be clipped to achieve the higher performance.
The only problem is I've heard the story told about 10 different ways. I'm wondering if it's actually apocrifal?