I think your post is sincere but either misinformed or misguided. Are you stating your opinion or fact? A few things....
LDAP was not invented by Microsoft. Look up X.500 or X.500 lite.
IPX/SPX (along with NDS) is still widely in use by a lot of fortune 500 companies. SMB/Netbios is more outdated.
Honeywell was never a threat to IBM. Digital Equipment, Sperry, and Wang were. IBM was down due to price gouging thier customers, but never out.
Windows for WorkGroups(3.11) had the first Microsoft TCP/IP stack if I recall. Third party IP stacks never caught on during this time period. B2B was done through dialup EDI. Local Area Networks were more common up until the mid 90's. Ask Banyan, Lantastic, 3 Com, and a couple of others.
Blame GWB if you wish, but the DOJ under Clinton had Microsoft in court first in 1994 and did nothing.
I should probably address a few other points in your post, but I don't have the time. I'm just trying to correct a few of your false claims before they become gospel to the newbies here.
Enjoy,
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I have an old warhorse of a laptop, P150/64meg. It runs the latest SuSE 9 just fine.
Hint, install only kde/gnome base libraries and whatever kde/gnome apps you want to use. Choose Window Maker/XFCE or some other lightweight desktop environment. Tastes great, less filling.
- What problem does.NET solve? Why can't I still use the feature rich Win32 API going forward?
- SOAP/XML is open. Why are you obfuscating your implementation?
- As Win32 developer, are you moving to a subscription model for Windows? How does that benefit me? Will users have to click on some security OK button for the programs I write?
-Is Microsoft willing to concede the enterprise database environment running on linux clusters to Oracle and DB2? Where is SqlServer on Linux clusters? I'd like to code for generic database access. It's what the client wants, not what I or Microsoft wants.
-As a computer programmer (embedded windows/linux/ARM etc), I'd like Microsoft to mean cross-platform to be across cpu's/OS's. Not WinX cross platform. It's stupid, it's misleading and it's downright false advertising. When are you going to update the NT Posix subsystem?
If you don't mind having extra CD's laying around, buy the latest SuSE Pro for the books. It comes with two well written manuals, one for admins and the other for desktop users. The users manual covers Audio, CD Burners, Office Apps, CUPS, Web Browsers, and KDE/Gnome configuration.
(Myth II was cool, though nowadays sadly not patched;
I'm curious, are you having problems with Myth II? Mine still works great under SuSE 9.0 (with the last patch applied from Loki). Are you having problems under the 2.6 kernel?
I've purchased three loki ports (Heroes3, Myth2, and Heavy Gear 2) and all three are excellent. Checkout http://www.happypenguin.org/ for links to some great opensource games.
What is even sadder is that they haven't made a good product of their own since Gate's basic interpreter and Flight Simulator
Minor correction. They didn't make Flight Simulator. They bought it from a company called Sub-Logic in the mid/late 80's. I have the original boxed Apple version. I guess that just leaves them with BASIC:)
- Great Audio/Video playpack under Mac/Linux/WinX if you have an All-In-Wonder card from ATI on the PC (Mac's, no problems (Firewire)). - Great snapshots with the digital camera feature. - 50x zoom (better than my new Sony 3.2 mega-pixel digital camera). - Video out connections plug right into TV, hit playback and your watching your movies. - Comes with VHC-VHS Adapter for playing with older VCR's.
Drawbacks? a) Had to replace the factory battery after four years. $50 bucks (Not really a complaint, but when the rechargable goes, it goes. No warning. This sucks when your out on a faimily gathering with no backup). b) No USB, Firewire/Serial only (My model, this might have changed by now). c) The wife won't let me record her naked:)
This camera cost me around $650 spacebucks in 1998. Check the features on the model you want to purchase. It should be cheaper now as well.
MySQL AB and Hans Reiser make their money by offering alternative commercial licenses which will allow you to distribute the work you derive from their work under a non-GPL license. This only means you have to pay them if you want to release software which links to the code they wrote
I think this is what I was explaining to the poster. Open Source != Free. I think it also means even if he is using the software internally he should buy a copy from mySQL/Hans. Maybe I didn't make that point clear.
Your opinion comes from a demonstrably spurious source. No, just the GNU lawyers:) We tried to ship a product (not a derived product, just a linked product) with mySql. Got burned for $15 per unit, and now we use Sqlite with a nice multi-threaded wrapper. We didn't have a problem paying $1 to $2 for a simple storage program. mySql AB wanted way too much money for an embedded device with a couple of tables.
Open Source doesn't mean free. If you use mySql/ReiserFS in a commercial environment you will have to pay a fee (but you get the code).
If you need Oracle and Windows to manage clients, then purchase a license for both. You could start out as a free company, and then work out the bugs without licensing issues. Start charging for the service later. As far as business/CRM software is concerned, IBM and SAP both offer professional services for Linux (but you need some money).
Your not going to get free access to the credit card clearing houses using open source or proprietary software. You need a merchant license for this (along with money in the bank too). Software is easy to write, FDIC approval is harder.
But then again, why a VOIP company? Did anyone write a business plan first? Who is your target audience? Slashdot users? Not me, I'm still comfortable with the landline connection to 911/1-800-CALL-WIFE that doesn't go down in a power outage or DOS attack. Can't get that with dialup/DSL/Cable.
Americans are made up from people from every nation on this planet. The sons and daughters from all other nations moved here for a better life. Corporations don't vote our leaders, people do. Our diverse culture, and our defense of that, made the internet (with some help from western Europe).
Look inward to your own countries and see why the mega-corporations merged, not from just America, but from Japan, Germany, Canada, and elsewhere. It's just not just the Americans, its the global economy.
The internet has turned out to be the best tool for people in any nation to listen to the opinions of others located on the other side of the planet. While we might not agree with those views, we at least get to hear them. I for one enjoy this global BBS. Will I submit to UN rule? No.
As an American (my fore-father settled here in 1887 from Germany), I welcome the fact that new DNS servers are being setup elsewhere.
Imagine you are standing in your favourite supermarket, and you wonder if you should buy eggs, because you want to bake a cake for the weekend. With a public address for your fridge you could check remotely, if you have enough eggs at home. How does the fridge open the egg container? How does the fridge see with the light off? How does the fridge know that its me and not some egg peeping pervert?
Sorry, I just had to reboot my thought sub-process.:)
ADHD is another word for you can't handle your kid. When a pinch in the butt is called for, you gave up and gave them Ritalin. Did you at all try to stimulate your child with knowledge/computers/games/etc?
Kids are active, kids get on your nerves. Some kids are hyper-active (me) some are not. Kids destroy things and sometimes they get in the way of your life. So your response is to give them drugs?
Instead of finding a (say discipline) parenting method for you and your child, you copped out by drugging your kid. Now you want to submit the child to neural feedback therapy so your kid gets more insane?
I need to post this to fark. You sir, are an asshat. You might not want to call yourself a parent.
Well, in corporate sales, as in poker, money talks and bullshit walks.
No. In poker, bullshit wins if the other players believe you. I can throw money down and still win if no one calls my bluff. I agree with the rest of your statement.
At the corporate SuSE, level just state that SCO has no case. Be honest and state again why SCO has no case. Why are you grabbing for bucks with this non-sense. If there is no violation, then there is nothing to indemnify in SuSE Linux (speaking as a programmer from a company that just did 5 SuSE 9.0 purchases/installs within two weeks). As a SuSE buyer (I didn't say downloader) since 6.4, why are you not concered about the end user? Are you stating that SCO is correct?
If you want to indemnify customers, how about a notice that states Novell/SuSE will be around for the long term. You will not go against Microsoft, but aim for interoperability. How about a statement that says we will provide an end user solution (Me) as well as a verticle Enterprise one (Me again with clients).
I enjoyed reading your response. Your original post to which I responded sounded like a newbie C++ programmers assertion that Win.x C++ exceptions (VCx) did everything right and everyone elses does it wrong. I mis-read it (too many beers) and I did not mean to pick a fight, just an intelligent argument. I apoligize for my post, but then again if it were not for my drunken stupor, I would not be responding to such an excellent response:) Do you read Dr Dobbs?
And I can tell you the logic in mathematics is way harder than any logic you have dealt with in computer science. Agreed. But then I'm a dropout who was majoring in EE, not computer science. I had a son, I dropped everything.
Your cocky attitude reminds me when I was a young programmer. The following is a detailed response to all your challenges. But there is a general assumption you made that isn't true in the real world. You assume all developement should be done on multi-platforms and be backward compatible. That is not true. I'm not a young programmer, 30ish pushing 40ish, still acting like I'm 20ish. And your right. But my primary job description for the last 15 years has been embedded developer. My code has to run on 68k, Intel, ARM, Z80, etc. Reguardless of the O/S. Which brings us back to my original rant (which I should not have taken out on you) is portable C++ exceptions. We have signals in unix, posix signals in Win32, exceptions in the libraries, but nothing that is C++ re-entrant. I need this for embedded systems that can handle/recover software/hardware errors in the field.
Most recently I used open source ACE for cross platform C++ development on Windows, Solaris and Linux. Our clients use ACE and we have ACE systems set up here in the Lab for clients still using 4690's (migrating to AIX/Linux). I didn't know there was an open source version. IBM still charges us a fee to maintain our partner status. What are you using?
Although the C++ exception is a compiler feature, there has to be underlying OS support to achieve the unified approach, that support is absent in UNIX. I would argue that its a missing unified feature in all OS's. Have you looked at the way Java exceptions work under Windows/Unix? It's a mess. But then again, this is from the embedded programmers perspective. I have to go and can't respond to everything you wrote. I do agree with 98% of it though.
Nice response to a piss poor posting on my part. Enjoy your evening (or day).
I see you expect your program to crash. Ok I can deal with that. But unlike Windows (global address space is shared etc) Linux isn't like that. Didn't you realize this when you built your C++ program under Linux?
But Man I love it when a C++ programmer comes out fighting for Win32. And yes, I am a multi/OS ASM/C/C++ programmer. Why can't you Win32 systems guys(gals) mention the superior memory management, driver model, or task algorithms that the Linux kernal has over Windows?
Anyway, this a multipart (or single part) post based on your repsonse. To be fair, before I ask my questions, I am intimate with VC3-6, Watcom, Visual Age, Intel, and Symantec compilers (some CPU specific ones too, but I digress). I'm learning g++ now (assembler level and it's bloated a little).
Question 1. Do you work in a cross platform environment? And, no, that doesn't mean Win 3.x, win9.x, NT.X? Tell our readers what the ANSI C++ standard states about exceptions. As C++ programmer you do have the book there next to you. Do you not?
Question 2. Are you comparing compilers or how each OS handles exceptions. Do you work with Alpha, ARM, PowerPC, or strictly Intel/AMD?
Question 3. Are you taking into account that g++ is cross-platform (not cross O/S) and supports multiple CPU instruction sets?
Question 4. As a fellow programmer, are you saying to the world that VC.x is more ANSI than g++ ? Or are you stating that Microsoft has modified thier C++ compiler to be exception windows compliant (I have nothing against this myself)? But per MSDN documentation, These exceptions are handled by code which is outside the normal flow of control . With signals you get the normal flow of control (Again, O/S specific).
Question 5: You do realize that Windows C++ exception handling is not backwards compatible with older versions of windows? You have to use the SEH model.
Before you respond to me, might I suggest some great windows reading materials? Matt Pietrek - Windows Programming Secrets. Andrew Schulman - Any book. And Undocumented Windows NT, by Prasad Dabak, Sandeep Phadke, and Milind Borate. You might learn that at the core of WinX, it's not Oop and your code goes through several layers to get there. But then again, I digress, because it all gets translated to a cpu instruction set eventually.
What part of your original post: Alright fine, fair enough. How about a fully featured security model with rights, privileges, ACLs, etc.? Obviously Linux does have a security model, but it doesn't stack up feature-wise. How about a fully functional NOS integrated with security? OpenLDAP doesn't count; it's just a directory. Granted, these aren't really pure OS features, but they would certainly need OS support that isn't there today.
Keep in mind I'm not begrudging Linux at all. But to try to claim that the OSS world has everything that Windows has is pure fantasy. Never mind the fact that usability on the Windows side is generally better. Denial is not the answer...
And my response post to your post:
Alright fine, fair enough. How about a fully featured security model with rights, privileges, ACLs, etc.? Are you intentionally trying to start a flame war or are you displaying your vast knowledge of networking and POSIX ACL's. Just curious, enjoy. It's just the normal noises in here.
don't you get. I fail to see what isn't clear and I fail to see what is flame bait. I don't argue on/. but I do hate inaccurate posts. You may be also getting me confused with some of the Linux zit popping zealots here on/. Read my past posts.
The Windows model is more flexible and gives you more granularity with permissions. Or are you trying to display your vast knowledge of NTFS ACLs?
This has nothing to do with my original post and it wasn't intended to start a flame war. You made an incorrect statement and I replied to that statement. It was my hope that you would agree that Linux does have enterprise level ACL's.
Instead, you would rather attack me instead of recognizing the flaws in your post.
If I remember correctly, that's why Apollo 8 flew round the moon and Apollo 9 tested the LEM in Earth orbit: NASA wanted to make sure they beat the Commies with the first manned flight.
No, Apollo 8 and 9 missions were swapped because the LEM (call sign spider, Grumman contract etc) still had glitches and couldn't fly.
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I think your post is sincere but either misinformed or misguided. Are you stating your opinion or fact? A few things....
LDAP was not invented by Microsoft. Look up X.500 or X.500 lite.
IPX/SPX (along with NDS) is still widely in use by a lot of fortune 500 companies. SMB/Netbios is more outdated.
Honeywell was never a threat to IBM. Digital Equipment, Sperry, and Wang were. IBM was down due to price gouging thier customers, but never out.
Windows for WorkGroups(3.11) had the first Microsoft TCP/IP stack if I recall. Third party IP stacks never caught on during this time period. B2B was done through dialup EDI. Local Area Networks were more common up until the mid 90's. Ask Banyan, Lantastic, 3 Com, and a couple of others.
Blame GWB if you wish, but the DOJ under Clinton had Microsoft in court first in 1994 and did nothing.
I should probably address a few other points in your post, but I don't have the time. I'm just trying to correct a few of your false claims before they become gospel to the newbies here.
Enjoy,
I have an old warhorse of a laptop, P150/64meg. It runs the latest SuSE 9 just fine.
Hint, install only kde/gnome base libraries and whatever kde/gnome apps you want to use. Choose Window Maker/XFCE or some other lightweight desktop environment. Tastes great, less filling.
Enjoy,
And I would have gotten away with it if it werent' for those meddling kids.
Aldo.
Riddle me this Microsoft.
.NET solve? Why can't I still use the feature rich Win32 API going forward?
- What problem does
- SOAP/XML is open. Why are you obfuscating your implementation?
- As Win32 developer, are you moving to a subscription model for Windows? How does that benefit me? Will users have to click on some security OK button for the programs I write?
-Is Microsoft willing to concede the enterprise database environment running on linux clusters to Oracle and DB2? Where is SqlServer on Linux clusters? I'd like to code for generic database access. It's what the client wants, not what I or Microsoft wants.
-As a computer programmer (embedded windows/linux/ARM etc), I'd like Microsoft to mean cross-platform to be across cpu's/OS's. Not WinX cross platform. It's stupid, it's misleading and it's downright false advertising. When are you going to update the NT Posix subsystem?
Enjoy,
If you don't mind having extra CD's laying around, buy the latest SuSE Pro for the books. It comes with two well written manuals, one for admins and the other for desktop users. The users manual covers Audio, CD Burners, Office Apps, CUPS, Web Browsers, and KDE/Gnome configuration.
Enjoy,
(Myth II was cool, though nowadays sadly not patched;
I'm curious, are you having problems with Myth II? Mine still works great under SuSE 9.0 (with the last patch applied from Loki). Are you having problems under the 2.6 kernel?
Thanks, and enjoy.
Try here:
http://www.tuxgames.com/
I've purchased three loki ports (Heroes3, Myth2, and Heavy Gear 2) and all three are excellent. Checkout http://www.happypenguin.org/
for links to some great opensource games.
Enjoy,
What is even sadder is that they haven't made a good product of their own since Gate's basic interpreter and Flight Simulator
:)
Minor correction. They didn't make Flight Simulator. They bought it from a company called Sub-Logic in the mid/late 80's. I have the original boxed Apple version. I guess that just leaves them with BASIC
Enjoy,
- Great Audio/Video playpack under Mac/Linux/WinX if you have an All-In-Wonder card from ATI on the PC (Mac's, no problems (Firewire)).
:)
- Great snapshots with the digital camera feature.
- 50x zoom (better than my new Sony 3.2 mega-pixel digital camera).
- Video out connections plug right into TV, hit playback and your watching your movies.
- Comes with VHC-VHS Adapter for playing with older VCR's.
Drawbacks?
a) Had to replace the factory battery after four years. $50 bucks (Not really a complaint, but when the rechargable goes, it goes. No warning. This sucks when your out on a faimily gathering with no backup).
b) No USB, Firewire/Serial only (My model, this might have changed by now).
c) The wife won't let me record her naked
This camera cost me around $650 spacebucks in 1998. Check the features on the model you want to purchase. It should be cheaper now as well.
Enjoy,
MySQL AB and Hans Reiser make their money by offering alternative commercial licenses which will allow you to distribute the work you derive from their work under a non-GPL license. This only means you have to pay them if you want to release software which links to the code they wrote
:) We tried to ship a product (not a derived product, just a linked product) with mySql. Got burned for $15 per unit, and now we use Sqlite with a nice multi-threaded wrapper. We didn't have a problem paying $1 to $2 for a simple storage program. mySql AB wanted way too much money for an embedded device with a couple of tables.
I think this is what I was explaining to the poster. Open Source != Free. I think it also means even if he is using the software internally he should buy a copy from mySQL/Hans. Maybe I didn't make that point clear.
Your opinion comes from a demonstrably spurious source.
No, just the GNU lawyers
Anyway, Enjoy.
Open Source doesn't mean free. If you use mySql/ReiserFS in a commercial environment you will have to pay a fee (but you get the code).
If you need Oracle and Windows to manage clients, then purchase a license for both. You could start out as a free company, and then work out the bugs without licensing issues. Start charging for the service later. As far as business/CRM software is concerned, IBM and SAP both offer professional services for Linux (but you need some money).
Your not going to get free access to the credit card clearing houses using open source or proprietary software. You need a merchant license for this (along with money in the bank too). Software is easy to write, FDIC approval is harder.
But then again, why a VOIP company? Did anyone write a business plan first? Who is your target audience? Slashdot users? Not me, I'm still comfortable with the landline connection to 911/1-800-CALL-WIFE that doesn't go down in a power outage or DOS attack. Can't get that with dialup/DSL/Cable.
My opinion. Enjoy.
Americans are made up from people from every nation on this planet. The sons and daughters from all other nations moved here for a better life. Corporations don't vote our leaders, people do. Our diverse culture, and our defense of that, made the internet (with some help from western Europe).
Look inward to your own countries and see why the mega-corporations merged, not from just America, but from Japan, Germany, Canada, and elsewhere. It's just not just the Americans, its the global economy.
The internet has turned out to be the best tool for people in any nation to listen to the
opinions of others located on the other side of the planet. While we might not agree with those views, we at least get to hear them. I for one enjoy this global BBS. Will I submit to UN rule? No.
As an American (my fore-father settled here in 1887 from Germany), I welcome the fact that new DNS servers are being setup elsewhere.
Enjoy,
Imagine you are standing in your favourite supermarket, and you wonder if you should buy eggs, because you want to bake a cake for the weekend. With a public address for your fridge you could check remotely, if you have enough eggs at home.
:)
How does the fridge open the egg container? How does the fridge see with the light off? How does the fridge know that its me and not some egg peeping pervert?
Sorry, I just had to reboot my thought sub-process.
Enjoy,
ADHD is another word for you can't handle your kid. When a pinch in the butt is called for, you gave up and gave them Ritalin. Did you at all try to stimulate your child with knowledge/computers/games/etc?
Kids are active, kids get on your nerves. Some kids are hyper-active (me) some are not. Kids destroy things and sometimes they get in the way of your life. So your response is to give them drugs?
Instead of finding a (say discipline) parenting method for you and your child, you copped out by drugging your kid. Now you want to submit the child to neural feedback therapy so your kid gets more insane?
I need to post this to fark.
You sir, are an asshat. You might not want to call yourself a parent.
Enjoy,
Well, in corporate sales, as in poker, money talks and bullshit walks.
No. In poker, bullshit wins if the other players believe you. I can throw money down and still win if no one calls my bluff.
I agree with the rest of your statement.
Enjoy,
At the corporate SuSE, level just state that SCO has no case. Be honest and state again why SCO has no case. Why are you grabbing for bucks with this non-sense. If there is no violation, then there is nothing to indemnify in SuSE Linux (speaking as a programmer from a company that just did 5 SuSE 9.0 purchases/installs within two weeks). As a SuSE buyer (I didn't say downloader) since 6.4, why are you not concered about the end user? Are you stating that SCO is correct?
If you want to indemnify customers, how about a notice that states Novell/SuSE will be around for the long term. You will not go against Microsoft, but aim for interoperability. How about a statement that says we will provide an end user solution (Me) as well as a verticle Enterprise one (Me again with clients).
Nullprog,
Try this instead:
http://www.sqlite.org/
Enjoy,
This response deserves [OBVIOUS TAG], golf clap.
I enjoyed reading your response. Your original post to which I responded sounded like a newbie C++ programmers assertion that Win.x C++ exceptions (VCx) did everything right and everyone elses does it wrong. I mis-read it (too many beers) and I did not mean to pick a fight, just an intelligent argument. I apoligize for my post, but then again if it were not for my drunken stupor, I would not be responding to such an excellent response :) Do you read Dr Dobbs?
And I can tell you the logic in mathematics is way harder than any logic you have dealt with in computer science. Agreed. But then I'm a dropout who was majoring in EE, not computer science. I had a son, I dropped everything.
Your cocky attitude reminds me when I was a young programmer. The following is a detailed response to all your challenges. But there is a general assumption you made that isn't true in the real world. You assume all developement should be done on multi-platforms and be backward compatible. That is not true.
I'm not a young programmer, 30ish pushing 40ish, still acting like I'm 20ish. And your right. But my primary job description for the last 15 years has been embedded developer. My code has to run on 68k, Intel, ARM, Z80, etc. Reguardless of the O/S. Which brings us back to my original rant (which I should not have taken out on you) is portable C++ exceptions. We have signals in unix, posix signals in Win32, exceptions in the libraries, but nothing that is C++ re-entrant. I need this for embedded systems that can handle/recover software/hardware errors in the field.
Most recently I used open source ACE for cross platform C++ development on Windows, Solaris and Linux. Our clients use ACE and we have ACE systems set up here in the Lab for clients still using 4690's (migrating to AIX/Linux). I didn't know there was an open source version. IBM still charges us a fee to maintain our partner status. What are you using?
Although the C++ exception is a compiler feature, there has to be underlying OS support to achieve the unified approach, that support is absent in UNIX.
I would argue that its a missing unified feature in all OS's. Have you looked at the way Java exceptions work under Windows/Unix? It's a mess. But then again, this is from the embedded programmers perspective.
I have to go and can't respond to everything you wrote. I do agree with 98% of it though.
Nice response to a piss poor posting on my part. Enjoy your evening (or day).
I see you expect your program to crash. Ok I can deal with that. But unlike Windows (global address space is shared etc) Linux isn't like that. Didn't you realize this when you built your C++ program under Linux?
But Man I love it when a C++ programmer comes out fighting for Win32. And yes, I am a multi/OS ASM/C/C++ programmer. Why can't you Win32 systems guys(gals) mention the superior memory management, driver model, or task algorithms that the Linux kernal has over Windows?
Anyway, this a multipart (or single part) post based on your repsonse. To be fair, before I ask my questions, I am intimate with VC3-6, Watcom, Visual Age, Intel, and Symantec compilers (some CPU specific ones too, but I digress). I'm learning g++ now (assembler level and it's bloated a little).
Question 1.
Do you work in a cross platform environment?
And, no, that doesn't mean Win 3.x, win9.x, NT.X? Tell our readers what the ANSI C++ standard states about exceptions. As C++ programmer you do have the book there next to you. Do you not?
Question 2.
Are you comparing compilers or how each OS handles exceptions. Do you work with Alpha, ARM, PowerPC, or strictly Intel/AMD?
Question 3.
Are you taking into account that g++ is cross-platform (not cross O/S) and supports
multiple CPU instruction sets?
Question 4.
As a fellow programmer, are you saying to the world that VC.x is more ANSI than g++ ? Or are you stating that Microsoft has modified thier C++ compiler to be exception windows compliant (I have nothing against this myself)? But per MSDN documentation, These exceptions are handled by code which is outside the normal flow of control . With signals you get the normal flow of control (Again, O/S specific).
Question 5:
You do realize that Windows C++ exception handling is not backwards compatible with older versions of windows? You have to use the SEH model.
Before you respond to me, might I suggest some great windows reading materials? Matt Pietrek - Windows Programming Secrets. Andrew Schulman - Any book. And Undocumented Windows NT, by Prasad Dabak, Sandeep Phadke, and Milind Borate. You might learn that at the core of WinX, it's not Oop and your code goes through several layers to get there. But then again, I digress, because it all gets translated to a cpu instruction set eventually.
But enjoy.
What part of your original post:
/. but I do hate inaccurate posts. You may be also getting me confused with some of the Linux zit popping zealots here on /. Read my past posts.
Alright fine, fair enough. How about a fully featured security model with rights, privileges, ACLs, etc.? Obviously Linux does have a security model, but it doesn't stack up feature-wise. How about a fully functional NOS integrated with security? OpenLDAP doesn't count; it's just a directory. Granted, these aren't really pure OS features, but they would certainly need OS support that isn't there today.
Keep in mind I'm not begrudging Linux at all. But to try to claim that the OSS world has everything that Windows has is pure fantasy. Never mind the fact that usability on the Windows side is generally better. Denial is not the answer...
And my response post to your post:
Alright fine, fair enough. How about a fully featured security model with rights, privileges, ACLs, etc.?
Are you intentionally trying to start a flame war or are you displaying your vast knowledge of networking and POSIX ACL's.
Just curious, enjoy.
It's just the normal noises in here.
don't you get.
I fail to see what isn't clear and I fail to see what is flame bait. I don't argue on
If I have offended you I apologize.
Enjoy your evening or day,
The Windows model is more flexible and gives you more granularity with permissions. Or are you trying to display your vast knowledge of NTFS ACLs?
This has nothing to do with my original post and it wasn't intended to start a flame war. You made an incorrect statement and I replied to that statement. It was my hope that you would agree that Linux does have enterprise level ACL's.
Instead, you would rather attack me instead of recognizing the flaws in your post.
Good day and enjoy,
Alright fine, fair enough. How about a fully featured security model with rights, privileges, ACLs, etc.?
Are you intentionally trying to start a flame war or are you displaying your vast knowledge of networking and POSIX ACL's.
Just curious, enjoy.
If I remember correctly, that's why Apollo 8 flew round the moon and Apollo 9 tested the LEM in Earth orbit: NASA wanted to make sure they beat the Commies with the first manned flight.
No, Apollo 8 and 9 missions were swapped because the LEM (call sign spider, Grumman contract etc) still had glitches and couldn't fly.
Enjoy,
Oracle ?